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Hi Moxy

I saw the discussion with Bish on your talk page. I'm afraid she was right, see [1]. I think I see what happened, you copied from this version[2] of Human rights in Saudi Arabia. That was added by an IP vandal Oct 28 2021[3] Doug Weller talk 12:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yup cleanup after User:Ajwadsabano...that they blocked. Moxy- 12:16, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template notices at "Template:For timeline" and "Template:For outline"

Both notices at the top of {{For timeline}} and {{For outline}} appear to suggest a proposal to merge with each other which matches the edit summaries as well. The TfD discussion comments however indicate a merge with {{See also}} and/or {{Further}}. I assumed you meant the latter; is that right? --N8wilson 🔔 19:22, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's going on?

You probably know what this [4] [5] is about. It does not look familiar to me and I have no idea why it is on my talk page. Anyways, if there is an SPI or a harassment report somewhere there are two more IPs for you to add. Meters (talk) 06:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thisappears to be user:Mrbeastmodeallday. We both commented in a May 24 ANI thread that resulted in his bock. Meters (talk) 06:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not to alarm you but there was a rather unhinged, conspiracy theory rant that mentioned several editors, including you, that has been revision deleted from every place that it has been posted. It had delusions of grandeur. But if you ever want semi-protection for your User or User talk page, just let an admin know. Liz Read! Talk! 05:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Moxy- 06:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion 205.154.245.36 (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore the IP. His vandalism was reverted at WP:ANI. GoodDay (talk) 02:47, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

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Desktop-wielding editors taking pity on mobile readers

Hi Moxy, elsewhere I saw some of your insightful comments about crafting the lead to help retain mobile users. I'm curious, are there any gadgets that desktop users can toggle, so desktop editors can see what mobile users see? Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#‎User:Neplota

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#‎User:Neplota Moxy- 17:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stinky sock?

Me thinks, Neplota just might be a sock of a ban evading editor, looking to stir up drama. GoodDay (talk) 17:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Somthing is wrong here I agree Moxy- 17:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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United States

You've been away awhile? Please don't go on vacation to Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon again without me. Recently arrived editors (consensus is they're not sockpuppets) are stirring it up with deletions and—you are right—some odd new images. To me, these seem like a personal obsession with New York City and NASA. I'll let you be the judge. Mason.Jones (talk) 15:11, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yup "obsession with New York City and NASA" will leave for now..if ever a GA review we can add back the featured pictures....just got to keep an eye out as this editor is famous for missleading edit summaries, edit wars and jamming pages full of images like New York City causing mass accessibility problems...or this that wont even load for me until fixed Moxy- 19:59, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question about a copyvio

Hello, I saw you made an edit (this one) where you removed a copyright violation. Can you possibly clarify where that came from, so a copyvio revdel can be done? (Please ping me on reply). Mako001 (C)  (T)  🇺🇦 08:46, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://uofrpress.ca/Books/C/Clearing-the-Plains Moxy- 13:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Taino Identity

I'd appreciate your input on this topic to resolve some long disputed issues about modern Taino movements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taíno#Request_for_Comment_on_Modern_Taino_Identity Poketama (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you stalking me?

Just realizes you're the picture guy...any way you could read over MOS:ACCIM ...I understand you dont care about thoses with disabilities ...but basics would help.

It's not an ad. You could reverse your edit. Books and movies about topics, especially documentaries are not advertisements. You mispelled advertisement. I guess putting this on the talk page for Zimbabwe now.Extraordinary2 (talk) 23:53, 9 August 2022 (UTC)o[reply]

We can find a better source for the info over a small advertisement for a doc movie. Pls review WP:PROMOTION. Stating that a documentary won an award on a country overview article is over the top. So no will not revert. Moxy- 00:15, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
THR is The Hollywood Reporter. Finding a better source is kind of silly. Movies and books win awards. You're missing all of the trees in the woods (the forest for the trees). Let us review. The current president is the subject of a film. It wouldn't matter if we were discussing 20 books about him, the election, or movies. Do you see your error?Extraordinary2 (talk) 00:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ec....reply below to ::You don't have the right page. Obv. you are not right on any of this.Extraordinary2 (talk) 00:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
come to talk about this edit.... if multiple people are reverting you on multiple pages best slow things down so you can keep track.Moxy- 00:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moxy! Need your short explanations!

About that in the Philippines, I ask you an apology but why did you deleted my edit? Visayans/Bisayans are not extinct, I just expanded the ethnic groups inside the Visayans like Waray, Cebuano, and etc because obviously, Visayans live in Visayas and I thought that expanding it would be more preferable. I want a small explanation from u. Thank u!! xx Zakh Patterson (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You removed the Visayans from the list.Moxy- 11:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, I told you that Visayans are basically, a group/family of ethnic groups like the Cebuanos, Waray and etc. I don't know y'all what happened. Zakh Patterson (talk) 00:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation of UNDO on my edits

Can you explain why do you undo the entire edits on the "flag of canada" page made the August 20th ? ChaseYUL99 (talk) 09:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

naval ensign? Moxy- 12:17, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.canada.ca/en/navy/services/history/naval-flags-uniforms/diplay-naval-flags.html ChaseYUL99 (talk) 13:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the flag pages show the flags that complete the six usual flag use.
Example : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Belgium, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Bahamas, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bangladesh, etc. ChaseYUL99 (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We have List of Canadian flags for that stuff.Moxy- 13:36, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And for the civil and state ensign (national flag use), was that an ok edit ? ChaseYUL99 (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Administration in the Palestine region

Your tagging of Template:Administration in the Palestine region shows up oddly in Israel#Israeli-occupied territories. It looks as though someone mis-tagged that section. Is there a way to tag so it doesn't show up in articles that way? Cheers 09:35, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppet account

AwoIf58 would appear to be another sockpuppet of an account you have dealt with repeatedly. Just FYI. Bgsu98 (talk) 03:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly this guy is making a mess of a number of articles, changing sourced text, etc. I'm not saying every edit is wrong, but most seem to be. Doug Weller talk 10:33, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding the lead

Hello Moxy, any chance we might be able to collaborate on expanding the lead section at Agriculture in Canada? Regards, NeutraI (talk) 15:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I was wondering where the recent concern about a copyright violation occurred? I've been editing a number of articles and am having trouble locating where the problem originated. CheckersBoard (talk) 11:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

stop copy pasting and you wont have that problem. Moxy- 11:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't. And I didn't write the article, I only wrote about one sport. Content I added does not read the same as other articles, plus the article includes sections on other sports so it follows that form. But the entire article is poorly sourced now that I look at it, so having it considered for deletion actually makes sense. It doesn't appear to have been properly developed anyways. CheckersBoard (talk) 11:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

East Timor

Hi Moxy, I think I've managed to get East Timor into a reasonable state and have put it up for GAN. If you have time I would appreciate any thoughts! CMD (talk) 15:04, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

will be there shortly.......but fast review looks great!!!! Moxy- 15:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous population history in Canada

Hello, just wondering when you are planning to publish this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Population_history_of_Indigenous_peoples_of_Canada Van00220 (talk) 02:36, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Soon as I can.....doing cleanup of a few other articles first. On a side not have you ever seen WP:PROSE Moxy- 03:06, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A goat for you!

For dealing with pesty persons. Have a goat.

— Moops ⋠T⋡ 02:05, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Romanian Canadians

Hi, Moxy! Can I please revert the list? I personally worked on it and all the figures are Romanian Canadians. Thanks! .karellian-24 (talk) 14:02, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All you need to do is add sources WP:BURDEN Moxy- 17:13, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help in Turkish page

Hi Moxy! I would like to use your expertise. One user is constantly touching images for the Turkey articles. Simply adding a filter and increasing the contrast. But this lowers the image quality and I think it is totally unnecessary. I wonder if you could help me how to stop it. Most of the images in İstanbul page already had this issue.

File:YDA-Center-03.jpg File:View_of_Levent_financial_district_from_Istanbul_Sapphire.jpg File:Bosphorus_Bridge_(235499411).jpeg File:Basilica_Cistern_after_restoration_2022_(11).jpg

Since the changes are not in the main article but in image files. I dunno what to do. Thank you for your help! Metuboy (talk) 10:00, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

you should be able to revert the changes to the files....I will look later today Moxy- 17:18, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I already did it but the user just upload the previous version again. It really destroys the image quality. If not I wouldnt care. Metuboy (talk) 13:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mosul: undue weight?

Hi Moxy, I noticed that you flagged my recent to Mosul about its medieval metalworking industry with template:undue weight. Which perspective did I unduly emphasize? Or did you mean that the section is disproportionately large? If that's the case then I can switch the template to template:overly detailed or maybe something similar because I'm confused to what you mean.

Thanks

3 kids in a trenchcoat (talk) 01:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking this might be better on its own article Moxy- 12:30, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, at least some of this content probably ought to be in a separate article. I'm not sure which parts should get split off, though. I think the first six paragraphs can probably stay. The two paragraphs beginning "Only two items..." and "Modern western scholarship..." I'm less sure of. Some of the ideas near the end of that second paragraph I think should probably stay. A mention of Mosul's influence in Egypt, Syria, and Iran might also be worth having. The rest can probably go. What do you think?
3 kids in a trenchcoat (talk) 08:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I've been voting here for the past decade or so .... but for some reason it won't let me do a vote. Moxy- 02:18, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Click: Special:SecurePoll/vote/804 - is it giving you any error message? –xenotalk 02:33, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Says..."This election has finished, you can no longer vote." Moxy- 03:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's incredibly weird. Try navigating to Special:SecurePoll and then clicking the 'Vote' on the row with 2022 English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee election. –xenotalk 18:05, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK perfect. ...all good. Moxy- 18:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you ...

November songs

... for a constructive comment in the Laurence Olivier RfC, to which I referred in my arbcand questions. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

Hello pal, sorry for changing the link, I didn't realize that my edit was odd, I will do my best in not doing that. Pablo the Helper - To your service! 16:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All good Moxy- 16:53, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Moxy/sandbox Moxy- 04:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of Interest question and casting aspersions on other editors

You have recently made a series of edits advancing a particular POV in regards to the Métis Nation of Ontario. For instance:this edit, where you seem to want to promote the group's website and a non-Native encyclopedia opinion piece on a site that just happens to have "encyclopedia" in their site name over reliable, third-party Métis and First Nations sources. What is your connection to this group? Regarding these comments you made, I'm going to repeat what I said at Talk:Métis:

Implying that cited sources and editors are "racist", or committing "race murder", for discussing the many issues with that group, such as being called out by the National Council for being "90% non-Métis", among other things, is highly inappropriate. Indigenous identity is based in citizenship, not race.
I strongly suggest you do not imply that other editors are "racist" or committing "race murder" for citing reliable sources, especially when they are members in good standing of the Indigenous editing pool here on the 'pedia.

- CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 18:19, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CorbieVreccan:This is very disappointing to say the lest. Not sure how to move foreward when there is clearly an agenda to omit recognition of specific groups that have legal status. Thinking best to ask others about this as its clear that there is a problem when sources are removed or misrepresented by omitting . The comments are not from me they're from the sources that were provided... one of the sources used literary genocide..... not sure journalism is the best way to go here.....Thus far the lead has a dead source and 2 that cover Ontario ..So why the censorship ?.. The Métis (/meɪˈtiː(s)/ may-TEE(S); Canadian French: [metis]) are Indigenous peoples who inhabit Canada's three Prairie Provinces, as well as parts of British Columbia, the Northwest Territories, and the Northern United States.[1][dead link][2][failed verification][3] [failed verification] . Has anyone here looked at Upper Great Lakes Métis?. Don't you find it odd the same edit has been trying to been inserted over and over..... calling in vandalism is clearly wrong when there's a multitude of sources in the article and even the statement ....the historical evidence in the Powley case was undeniable: Métis in Ontario have been standing up for their rights as a distinct group since the very beginning
  • Reimer, Gwen; Chartrand, Jean-Philippe (Jul 1, 2004). "Documenting Historic Métis in Ontario". Ethnohistory. 51 (3). Duke University Press: 567–607. doi:10.1215/00141801-51-3-567. ISSN 0014-1801.
O well not sure we have any way forward. At least the sources are there for people to see for themselves. Cindy was absolutely right about the meger years ago. Moxy- 01:46, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Métis Nation". Library Archives Canada. 15 October 2013.
  2. ^ "Métis Homeland". Rupertsland Institute. Retrieved 2021-07-24.
  3. ^ "Métis > Identity". Indigenous Peoples Atlas of Canada. Canadian Geographic. Retrieved March 13, 2022.

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tag as G7....article will never get fixed ..no point in keepMoxy- 06:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Your recent edits to L'Anse aux Meadows

The page now has two, slightly dissimilar, "Etymology" sections. You might want to fix that :-) Udittmer (talk) 09:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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December thanks

December songs
happy new year

Did you know that Josephine Butler is on the Main page? Thank you for what you said in the discussion there, still true six years later. Christmas brought good singing (pictured when you click on songs), and keep watching for 2023, with best wishes! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:20, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year!
Looking backwards, looking forwards, best wishes for the New Year. Happy wikifying! (Regardless of UTC, it is still January 1 where I'm posting!) Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:10, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Moxy!

Happy New Year!

Moxy,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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January songs
happy new year

... and also from me! Today's featured article is Osbert Parsley, not by me but Amitchell125 where I commented, including the beginning of my songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:38, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was on vacation, click on songs and go backwards - Melitta Muszely died, RIP - the other story is 10 years old OTD ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Public opinion data on culture

Why did you delete this useful current information from a very good reliable source ? I think it should be restored. Rjensen (talk) 07:43, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok--thanks for putting it back. Rjensen (talk) 06:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OEG Inc Retail Cannabis

Hi Moxy, I'm the COI editor for Daryl Katz, and his company, OEG Inc.. I noticed your interest in all things Canada, including Cannabis in Canada. Might you be willing to review my pending edit request to include OEG Inc.'s recent entrance to retail cannabis in their article? Thank you very much. DJ for Katz (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sock?

https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py?users=Riopex&users=Dash9Z&users=&startdate=&enddate=&ns=&server=enwiki Moxy- 21:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that Dash9Z is related to Riopex. On the other hand, I have various clues that lead to another account very likely operated by the same person behind Riopex, and I also think I know who is the sockmaster. I have already discussed about this with an admin+CU. If you have other clues that lead to other accounts with similar behaviour, please respond here and we might open a CU investigation. Æo (talk) 20:07, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I have opened a SPI case: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jobas#19 February 2023.--Æo (talk) 00:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lot for fixing. Amazing how long and what's been dealing with this. Moxy- 03:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please use edit summaries

You're making rather sizeable edits without any edit summaries, on a number of articles. It can be very difficult to collaborate when massive changes happen with no indication of which changes were made when, forcing other Wikipedians to parse through the details of every edit individually. It would be helpful to other editors if you summarize your edits; this is basic user etiquette that is expected of anyone who is not a beginner here. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 22:21, 21 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Native names in the article of Guatemala

Hi Moxy, thank you very much for reviewing my edit on Guatemala's Article, it's the first time I do this kind of edits so any kind of feedback is always welcome. I thought that the template and formatting I chose was correct because I used the same Collapsible list template also present for the articles from both Peru and Bolivia, other countries in Latin America where native languages are co-official like Guatemala. Is there any way I can add them to the infobox or at least in another part of the article using the correct format, I would like to add them but if there is some kind of rule that prevents me, I would like to hear it to avoid making the same mistake. Best Regards. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 01:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This parameter has nothing to do with indigenous names is about first language. This should be removed from the other articles. This is a common mistake amongst American editors were the word native refers to a people.... the rest of the world used to the term a different manner..... like he's a native of Moscow. Moxy- 01:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry, in which parameter of the infobox should I add this information? I have seen that both South Africa and Zimbabwe pages use the infobox parameter native_name to put the names in the indigenous languages. I'm sorry, if I don't understand much about this, it's the first time I do this. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 01:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This type of info should only be in the lead if it's official.... as an official secondary name... not just recognized languages of a country...... as some countries have hundreds of recognized languages..... but they only have a few official dialects.Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries#Facts table.Moxy- 02:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting although you could define better what is "Official secondary language" there is not even a Wikipedia page about it. And I really wonder where did you get this information that there are some countries where they have hundreds of recognized languages, the only information I got is that Bolivia has 37 recognized languages but as the constitution has only been officially translated into Quecha, Aymara and Guarani, it was decided through consensus to only add those languages to the infobox. There are also other examples, for example Nigeria is one of the most linguistically diverse countries but it was decided to include only the three most spoken languages, which are Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo. When I decided to add those languages to the Guatemala infobox I thought there was no problem, because the Ecuador's Article listed Shuar in the lead, even though this language is only spoken in two not so populated provinces of the country, while the Mayan languages I placed are widely spoken in several departments of Guatemala and even the government of the country publishes news articles in Mayan languages like this one. It is rare to see other countries translate their constitution and it is something unfortunately not very common, based on what I have been told by people from different parts of the world, plus the Guatemalan constitution has only been translated into 4 of the most spoken native languages and there are no plans to translate it into more. Anyway, thanks for your time, although I would like your opinion in the case of Uganda, I decided to establish consensus on this and I was told that I should put native languages in the Infobox because they are widely spoken. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 13:31, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This are great examples of what needs to be fixed. To quote template =An inline formatting template, based on {{Lang}}, for indicating the official/defacto name in a language other than English. "native" is a linguists term used for " first language" or " mother tongue" called a "L1" name.... it may or may not be indigenous in nature. First language as in "You are a native speaker of that language" that in most cases is not an indigenous one. There is a parameter for languages used.Moxy- 13:43, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Searching a bit about this, according to Wiktionary, "Native language" refers to the languages first learned by certain communities in a country. Guatemala is the Central American country with the largest indigenous population, so much so that UN estimates say that about 41% of the population identifies itself as indigenous. That is one of the reasons why several organizations, including the UN, asked the Guatemalan government to translate the constitution into the most widely spoken native languages, since many communities in the country had difficulty learning Spanish. Besides it is difficult to determine a "de facto" language in certain countries, for example Switzerland has 4 official languages which are widely spoken depending on the canton, both de jure and de facto. Also other examples for Hawaii, which English is much more extensive because it is part of the USA, Hawaiian is still spoken on a smaller scale and yet it is included in the lead and infobox of the article. Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 14:07, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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