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Welcoming me on Wikipedia

Hello guys, my name is EnjoyBrowser557 and I joined Wikipedia in order to add information and change content in articles and sometimes respond to discussions and talk pages. Furthermore, I am still learning about the core principles that Wikipedia provided on my homepage. Would you not forget on recent technology in Wiki software? Plus, would you like to give me barnstars or thanks to me for my intelligent work? Just to know that I am new to Wikipedia, so I am still experimenting on wikicoding and understanding on how to use userboxes for my talk page. So, when I am promoted to autoconfirmed user, I will have a chance to create articles and edit semi-protected pages. When it comes to images and photos, I learned how to use a it in proper way and change the sizes and columns of the image. My only languages I speak is English, so in meantime, I would have the ability to write paragraphs and uses sources when editing articles. That would include any field of topic, I would be interested in.

So in conclusion, do you have any advice or further information that you can present to me, so I will improve my knowledge in upcoming days? How would you guide me around Wikipedia and its talk page discussion? Anyways, kudos to those who make replies to me. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 04:14, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@enjoybrowser557: you're a bit self-centered, aren't you? anyway, we have an introduction to wikipedia editing here. lettherebedarklight晚安 04:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am a bit self-centered? Oh wow. At the definitely least, you gave me the introduction to the Wikipedia editing. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 05:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Not at all! I'm sure we're all honored and humbled that you've given us permission to give you a Barnstar. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK Alright? Yes, I update articles, however, not in all of the mainspace. You guys are all free to award me a barnstar, and suggest me articles on my talk pages, so I have the ability to make edits on them. That would include sandbox or anything possible. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557 I've placed a few useful links on your Talk Page: the problem with replying here at the Teahouse is that comments rapidly get archived and can be difficult to find later. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lettherebedarklight @Michael D. Turnbull Alright, well thank you guys for informing about the introduction about the Wikipedia and sending me those links related to building an encyclopedia. By then, I definitely wish that I will comprehend more about the Wikipedia and its guide to improved contributions. So, have a great day! /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 22:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

By then, I will become a autoconfirmed user and I have the potential to be skilled in developing articles that do not have one yet and addition of detail information for any reader to learn more about the topics covered. That is my own start to journey to Wikipedia adventure and its facts and statistics. /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 21:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

How to post information that is confirmable but difficult to source

The location of a radio station's transmitter was given to me by a friend with local knowledge (who asked me to make the update). I was able to confirm it on Google Maps but could not find a static source to use as a reference. The location currently on the web site (that presumably was correct at some point but no longer is) is also unsourced. I tried to update the information but my edit was reverted because it was not referenced. I tried finding the information on the FCC's web site and the radio station's but was not able to.

As noted, the information in the current page is also not referenced. What is the best way to handle this?

In addition, is there a good source for answers to questions like this or generally a guide for people, like me, with experience editing occasionally over the years but not educated about nuances or tools that might make editing easier. Jreiss17 (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jreiss, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the location cannot be sourced by a reliable soruce (which in this case would not need to be indepedent) then it should be removed. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure. This may be a WP:BLUESKY situation that doesn't need sourcing. The coordinate location of a radio station is verifiable by anyone with a smartphone GPS who goes to the station to verify its coordinates. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Probably stupid question. How do you know where to go to do so, if you don't already know the coordinate location of the transmitter? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

You call, or go to the radio station's physical office address and ask them where you can have a look at the transmitter, if it's in a different location than the radio station. The verifiability burden isn't much different from going to a library to look up a book. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Oookay. Until I retired I worked for a company who carried out emergency repairs on UK mobile phone antennae (which are often mounted on masts for other things, like radio broadcasting, as well as on their own dedicated masts, or on roofs or walls of large buildings, or inside church steeples, or disguised as trees, etc.). Our company alone averaged around 100 visits a week, and we weren't the only ones in the business. A good few of those repairs were made necessary by vandalism and sabotage – stealing the cables to sell for scrap is an international criminal operation, and you might be surprised at how many people think phone/radio masts are part of a sinister government plot to infect everyone with cancer and/or Covid (yeah, really), and try to set fire to them.

While mast and other cellphone etc. antenna locations are obviously not secret, and of course within the industry we necessarily had all the information (did you know there are/were around 100,000 sites in the UK – the companies are trying to consolidate and share sites, but it's a slow process), if a random member of the public starts asking about transmitter mast locations, eyebrows might be raised and the police might want to take an interest, just in case. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Biden assassination attempt article?

Somebody should create an article about the guy who crashed his U Haul truck near the White House and tried to kill the US President Joe Biden

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/us/politics/truck-crash-white-house.html

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/dc-uhaul-crash-charges/index.html Onion1981 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onion1981: Somebody might, if the event meets the criteria for a stand alone article (WP:NEVENT). Otherwise it may end up as part of the article on Joe Biden. RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

To me, it looks like a minor triviality at this point. but future coverage may justify an attempt to create an article. ~~\\

Onion1981, he talked about it, but DID he try to kill Biden? I have the impression he didn't get past the security barrier--a long way short of reaching Biden. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

He clearly attempted something, I'm pretty sure if POTUS wasn't the most guarded person in the world, he would be dead, js. Onion1981 (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I may need help with my article due to my grammar

Im not a native english speaker and i am not so good at writing articles: i wrote one for a notable actor and alleged voice actor for a game

Alexandra cristina echavarri Lecároz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_Cristina_Echavarri

Thoughts? Any advice or help? Thanks! Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ayyyple2, welcome back. Grammar is the least of your worries here, I'm afraid. Your article is about a living person, but it has no inline citations, only a list of external links at the end, and most of those are useless as far as establishing that this person is notable. It's very likely that your article will be moved to draft space because it's not ready to be part of the encyclopedia yet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thats a Shame, if its a living person with a few popular roles... i mean Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 it's all about the sources, especially in a BLP. It would have been better if you'd created a draft to start with, worked on it, then submitted it to AfC. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 I have moved the article back to draft space since it was clearly not in line with WP:BLP guidelines. You can work on it again at Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You should first read the guidance at the BLP link and this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you want to help me on it Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, folk like me who help out by answering questions at the Teahouse rarely want to be involved in drafting articles, as we have our own interests. I occasionally do help, as with Draft:Roger Starr earlier today but that's the exception which I did because it was clear to me Starr was going to be notable but just needed a few more references which I could provide. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what good external references are.. and the images, how do i do that? Ayyyple2 (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you know someone that could help? Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 In Wikipedia, we refer to "good external references" as those that come from reliable sources. Read that linked article carefully and note, for example, that IMDb is not one of them. Once you have found a good source, incorporate it into the article using inline citations. Don't worry about images for the present: your hurdle is to convince experienced editors that Echavarri is notable by Wikipedia's definition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Shes a notable actor but i have no idea what sources to add!! Im thinking of making of Bryan Zampella, another actor... for example what are Good sources. I edit on my phone Ayyyple2 (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, maybe it would help to look at a Good or Featured Article on an actor and see the sources they use - for instance, Florence Pugh. Or you could visit this list of frequently discussed sources and see which are good, which are bad, and the reasons for those determinations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I updated my article, i mean shes a notable actor, i added good sources... but maybe i need help Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, there are still zero inline citations. Have you read WP:BACKWARD, which Mike Turnball linked you to above?

Erase everything. Start over. Gather only your reliable sources. Read them, summarize the information, and place that summary in the draft, with inline citations to the sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Citations? How do i do that? 2001:9E8:4742:E800:6C86:5824:5C34:BC88 (talk) 06:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2: Please see Help:Referencing for beginners, and remember to log in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

That looks hard... im on my phone so its gonna be hard .. i just dont know tbh 2001:9E8:4742:E800:6C86:5824:5C34:BC88 (talk) 07:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I appeal a mod undoing my edit?

I added several new entries to the following page:

List of nicknames used by Donald Trump

My additions were accurate with citations.

A mod replied they had 'undone' them because 'they did not appear constructive', however the information I added was consistent with the rest of the information on the page, so this appears to be totally arbitrary.

I replied to the mod notice, and there has been no response.

User talk:2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5

This was my first contribution to Wikipedia, and it was immediately deleted without cause, as far as i can tell, based on the whim of a single person. 2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5 (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Without looking at your edit, I will say that is normal process for Wikipedia. It is called WP:BRD, for Bold, Revert, Discuss. You added something to an article, another editor did not agree with it and reverted. The next step is to discuss it with the other editor at the article's page. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed made a (rare) typo there. For "the article's page", read "the article's talk page"; in this instance, Talk:List of nicknames used by Donald Trump. -- Hoary (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at your edit, I can see that the citation you provided was to Trump's Twitter feed (i.e. a primary source), whereas other citations are to secondary sources. Heading off to the article talk page, then to the archives thereof, I could find this discussion that established that only nicknames "picked up" by secondary sources should be used (else the list would become unduly long).

Now, as new editor, you are not expected to find this out by yourself, and the editor who reverted you would have done well to link to that discussion. That being said, the principle that one person edits, another reverts, both discuss is rather standard. You should not take it personally if your edits are reverted. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you for your reasonable explanation, i will remedy this by re-adding with secondary sources, however he also removed 'meatball ron' for ron desantis which is based on secondary sources, with the new york times being the first to break it. 2603:8001:6501:4DB7:0:0:0:C5 (talk) 09:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Make sure to read the first post in the discussion I linked to. The criteria are at least one secondary source describing it as a nickname, used by Trump at least twice, and lasting coverage. (Maybe "Meatball Ron" qualifies, I haven’t checked. The least I touch this kind of articles, the better I feel - but by the same token I am happy that others take on the dirty work of maintaining them.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

2603:8001... Just to clear up one misunderstanding. Wikipedia does not have moderators. All editors have equal standing and the one who reverted you is as entitled to do so as anyone else. We do have administrators who, by consensus, have been given access to certain tools to allow them to, for example, block those who have abused the policies but these individuals have no powers to insist on a particular version of an article being used: see WP:OWN. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

How to create a custom signature?

I have preferences at the settings and I utilize the wiki makeup. I did some minor changes for my own signature. However for color, it is completely unique. For my own, can you please explain how to create a custom signature with bolding and adding colors to it? And I wanted my signature to be unique like other users who did it, is there a coding to make the signature work in a unusual way? And how to customize it with different fonts, similar to other user's signatures? /EnjoyBrowser557 (talk) (contributiuons) 21:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

EnjoyBrowser557 this is usually done with <span></span> tags. For example, <span style="color: red; font: 10px Arial;">test</span> would turn into test. This W3Schools CSS reference may help. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

There you go, I now have my own custom signature. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributiuons) 22:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You may want to spell check your signature as you misspelled "contributions." Esolo5002 (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

that's been bugging me for a while now too cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 12:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esolo5002 @Cog-san Well, I actually fixed that typo in my custom signature. I might need to try further changes if I have access to fonts and images. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 15:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

haha yes cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 15:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cog-san Thank you for notifying the typo on my custom signature and the error you found. I will improve my detection when it comes to changing signatures or other things. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way to cite the Ethereum blockchain for historical accuracy of NFTs?

Citations of public blockchains. Snarflakes (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

No, you can't cite blockchains. You can cite other sources that discuss the blockchain. RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Citing on-chain Ethereum transactions would be an excellent objective historical documentation strategy. To the powers that be here. Snarflakes (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

It would seem to me that a blockchain is merely a WP:PRIMARY source, and therefore subject to the same kind of caveats as other primary sources, but by the same token could be used for the same purposes. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Related to what Tigraan says, any particular blockchain is just a data storage system. We may know it's harder to tamper with but that doesn't make it a WP:RELIABLESOURCE using our definitions. If, say, the New York Times, decided to start publishing work on a public blockchain, we could potentially cite and use that as a reliable source, but perhaps more discussion on-wiki would need to take place. But the vast majority of content on any blockchain is WP:PRIMARY and/or WP:SELFPUBLISHED and so is subject to those restrictions. Skynxnex (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarity. Specifically regarding NFT artwork, the date of the transaction of the deploying of the original artwork contract(intention being perhaps setting a timeline of provenance) is immutable because not only is it timestamped, but the unchangeable contract itself carries permanently blockchain coded descriptors of the artwork. Therefore that source can never be reversed on a legacy established chain like Ethereum or Bitcoin which again has never had a historical transaction reversed or changed. Snarflakes (talk) 21:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Whether the data is immutable is not the point. Data published by, for example, the US Census Bureau or the US Patent Office may also be immutable, but it is still considered a primary source that in most cases requires interpretation by secondary sources before it can be used as a reference on Wikipedia. We could theoretically use data in a blockchain to support the fact that that data is indeed in the blockchain, but interpretation of what that implies as far as real world actions by real world people should be left to secondary sources. CodeTalker (talk) 01:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I see, I was in fact wondering which editors would be equipped in wikipedia to actually review the blockchain to confirm the claims made. That job is left to the secondary sources in the current system. Nonetheless, I think a small team of wikipedia editors could actually do that with minimal effort, but that maybe too much responsibility/turst given to those individuals... Snarflakes (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Citations from Ancestry.com

Is there a correct method for citing from Ancestry.com? Do I simply use the URL that I get via access from the Wikimedia Foundation, or is there a stable URL that has to be used? If so, where do I find it? Thank you kindly. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24 Hello. According to WP:ANCESTRY, you should be very careful in using it as a source. Secondary sources are preferable. 331dot (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I know that, which is why I wasn't asking about that. I already have plenty of reliable secondary sources prepared for the subject I'm writing about. My usage of these primary sources from Ancestry.com is merely to establish date of birth and national origin of the subject's parents, which are covered by points 1 and 3 of WP:PRIMARY. Please, if somebody could answer my actual question, I'd appreciate it very much. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, just trying to help as I don't know what you know. 331dot (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

It's OK. I'm very sorry for my grouchy reply. I know you were trying to help and I appreciate that. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you post the URL? I don't know the answer to your question offhand but I could at least see if the URL works for someone without a login / with a different login. -- asilvering (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Take care with using primary sources in biographies. "Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses." (bold mine). Generally, we require secondary sources for such information, NOT primary documents such as birth records or census records. --Jayron32 17:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

help?

can you guys help me review a draft post? Dr.Rodriguez777 (talk) 06:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you asking about your recently deleted creation, Dr.Rodriguez777? It didn't cite any sources, and therefore gave the reader no reason to believe anything that it said. -- Hoary (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dr.Rodriguez777, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't seem to find a draft article created by you. However, I did manage to find a Speedy deletion request on your user talk page. It looks like your sandbox had an article draft on it that was deleted for containing too much self-promotion. Whilst I can't access your sandbox, I can presume that this was the "draft post" you are referring to. Wikipedia is not the place for unambiguous advertising or promotion. Check the links for more information. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Dr.Rodriguez777, I am an administrator and have the ability to read deleted content. Your sandbox draft was unreferenced and overtly promotional. Please be aware that self-promotion is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Where is Schengen located

Where is Schengen located 182.160.110.130 (talk) 07:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

If only there were something like a free-access encyclopedia that provided such information! -- Hoary (talk) 07:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, wouldn't it be grand! Ariconte (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Try Schengen Area. Ariconte (talk) 07:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Try Schengen (disambiguation). -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, this is not a question for the Teahouse, but for the reference desk. The Tips of Apmh 15:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The Tips of Apmh, it has a superficial resemblance to a question for the reference desk. But since Wikipedia already makes it extraordinarily easy to find the answer, it's not a question that should be asked anywhere. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Need help on publishing an article

Hello, so I am writing an article on an energy drink, however I have received a notification of claiming if it is a paid contribution as it is against guidelines. How do I go about it as it is not paid? Wikiwriter-12023 (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikiwriter-12023 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are not a paid editor, simply respond to the message you were given on your user talk page that you are not a paid editor. Note that "paid editor" is not limited to specific payment for edits; any paid relationship, like employment, triggers the disclosure requirement. Do you have any relationship with this drink?

Your draft was deleted as blatant promotion. Any article about it should not talk up the drink in a promotional manner, it should matter of factly summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the drink, showing how it is notable as Wikipedia defines it. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Wikimedia commons

What would be the most appropriate way to source photo of a well known celebrity without infringing wikipedia rules Plkmehta (talk) 09:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The easiest way is to take the image yourself. Commons only hosts "free" images, those with a license that permits reuse for any purpose with attribution. Random images on the internet are almost never acceptable. Do you have an association with this celebrity? 331dot (talk) 10:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

See WP:UPIMAGE. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Give suggestions/please review

Can someone review or give suggestions on my two arrticles?

1. Draft:Jathera (Shrine)

2. Draft:Bhai Satta ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼ Hello and welcome. You have submitted your drafts for review, as it says at the top of your draft, there are thousands of drafts awaiting review by a limited number of volunteers. Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ਗਿਆਨੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼: for 1, the lead should state that this is an Indian thing. For 2, the lead should state that he is Indian, and make clear what is meant by "/Doom". Maproom (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

"Murder of Tony Stanlake" article?

This was quite a well documented murder in Wellington, New Zealand. I'm wondering why it doesn't have it's own wiki page NOR even a single mention anywhere on relevant pages on Wikipedia. I have no idea how to get started adding an entire page but I think it deserves one. Pamelahoward (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Pamelahoward, welcome to the Teahouse. There are two reasons why it might not have a page, or even a mention. The first is that no one has bothered to add one. Wikipedia is built by folks like you and me taking enough interest in something to write about it; possibly that just hasn't happened yet. The other possibility is that someone has tried to write about it, but wasn't able to find enough significant coverage about the case which had been published in independent, reliable, secondary sources (see WP:42). If you think that such coverage exists, and you can get your hands on it, then the best way to get information onto Wikipedia is to carefully read Help:Your first article and follow the instructions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Unconstructive?

Is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1156869775 actually unconstructive per https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1156905147? Ivyaweoff (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ivyaweoff, and welcome to the Teahouse. As per WP:YT and WP:RSPYT, YouTube should generally be avoided as a source of information. If you wish to include your new information, consider finding an alternative, reliable source which supports it. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ivyaweoff, if someone reverts an edit you made, you should attempt to discuss things with them directly, either by posting on the article's talk page and pinging them to the discussion (the best option) or posting on their talk page. Adding such a laudatory sentence to the lead, sourced only to an interview, is very likely to be contentious. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, Ivyaweoff, as the IP user says, no Wikipedia article should ever describe anybody or anything in language like "very beloved" in Wikipedia's voice. It may be acceptable to quote a source that describes somebody in that way, as long as the source is both reliable and wholly independent of the subject. But in that case it should be made very clear that Wikipedia is quoting a named person, not expressing a judgment directly. ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Im trying to edit pages, but have issues with referencing

Im working on a few pages but have had issues with referencing.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Sunny - I added a reference into the first paragraph [1], but while it gets added in the body, it doesnt appear in the reference list.

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranatunge_Karunananda - I added a reference into the first paragraph 2, but while it gets added in the body, it doesnt appear correctly in the reference list [7].

In both instances I cant use either the visual or source view to place the reference where I want it in the references section.

Would appreciate it if I can get a link to a video so I can follow a tutorial. Thanks. Shehandd (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Shehandd. Thanks for contributing!

Here's a video on how to cite a source using the Visual Editor:

Video on YouTube

To cite an external link in Source mode, used the {{Ref}} template, like this:

<ref>https://www.example.com</ref>

When you publish the change, it will convert to the numbered footnote style.

To link another wikipedia article, do this:

[[Help:Wikitext]]

You almost have it on this edit. The syntax you want is:

<ref name="Spirited">{{cite web|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEW63GtAVj0 |title=ARUNANANDA - THE MOST SPIRITED LOSER}}</ref>

The only thing missing was the closing braces toward the end }}

/ edg ☺ ☭ 17:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Shehandd The specific problem with the reference in Hassan Sunny is that you added an external link instead of using the template {{cite web}} to turn that link into a proper citation. The general advice on adding references is at H:REFB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it, I think I was able to sort this out. Thanks a lot! Shehandd (talk) 04:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Oxford Metrics article for review

Hi, I recently submitted an article for review regarding the smart sensing company Oxford Metrics. Unfortunately, the article Draft:Oxford Metrics was rejected for not matching NPOV criteria. I’d be very appreciative to hear more from the community about how I can improve the article and would love to hear any guidance on edits I can make ahead of resubmitting. Looking forward to working further on this. Thanks in advance. EWix76 (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@EWix76: Just glancing it over, the lead section doesn't comply with WP:LEAD. And it has too many unnecessary details in the company history; details that may be relevant to company insiders but not a general audience of readers. Also, Wikipedia doesn't use title case in headings. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@EWix76: Also note that your draft was Declined, which means it can be cleaned up for resubmission. If the draft had been Rejected, then the subject would be deemed not WP:NOTABLE and no amount of editing will save it. See this page for a more detailed explanation. Madam Fatal (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

What section should I add this in (if at all)?

I want to add something to the article for Pontiac, MI about how the song Rotary Park by Joe Hawley references it, as he and Zubin were mugged there. I think it should go in §Culture, but I'm not sure if this is the right section to put this information in.

I'm not even sure if this is notable enough to be included here. What are your opinions? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 16:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you ask at the article's talk page, Talk:Pontiac, Michigan, and provide more details and a published reliable source. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: The last time the talk page was used was 5 year ago by a bot, and I can't find a reliable source for my claim. I know that there was something about this event on the now-defunct Pledge Music, but I can't find it on the Internet Archive.

I am also not sure if it would be libel to make that claim unsourced.

Also one of my questions was not answered: Which section would fit this information best (if it was even allowed on here)?

Thank you, and please excuse me for being so inexperienced. --QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 17:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka, if you can't find a reliable source which discusses the song's significance in relation to the city, it's probably not notable enough to include (a read of WP:POPCULTURE might explain why). "Culture" would probably be the best to include such information if it could be sourced (see here, for example). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Just because a talk page hasn't been used recently doesn't mean it shouldn't be used now. Maybe the song would belong in a new "In popular culture" section. However, if you can't find a reliable source, and the song and singer don't have their own articles, then it may not be notable enough for inclusion. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

My 2¢: it would be more appropriate to mention this in an article about the song or the writer/performer (if we had one), with a link in that mention to the Pontiac article. I notice however we don't have either, the nearest being the article on his band Tally Hall, which doesn't mention the song (as neither does their separate discography article) because as you will know the song is on his solo album.

If neither have (yet) achieved sufficient notability to have their own article, I think this fact about the song is too trivial to mention in the article about a place connected with the song's composition. Since we do have articles on two other members of the band, perhaps the better course would be to first see if one on Hawley will fly. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

i am new, and cannot figure out how to cite

i have a sandboxed article at User:Natelabs/sandbox and i cannot figure out how to get the citations to work

i copied all the text from de:Logisim and started translating, but I cant get the citation to cite

this feels like it should be super simple, but i cant get the hang of it

Natelabs (talk) 16:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Natelabs, and welcome to the Teahouse. Have a look at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for a detailed explanation on how to cite sources. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Natelabs: You might also be interested in the video at WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Natelabs, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the problems with your draft are more fundamental than that.

The first (which is easily corrected) is that you have broken the terms of the CC-BY-SA licence, by copying text without attributing it. Please see Translation for details.

The more serious one is that, as far as I can see, not one of the sources you cite is all three of reliably pubished, independent of Logisim, and containing significant coverage of it. Without several such sources, you will not be able to establish that the software meets English Wikipedia's requirements for notability. Notability is a fundamental minimum requirement for the subjects of new articles, and the fact that another Wikipedia has an article on it is irrelevant. (I believe that de-wiki has similar requirements to en-wiki, so my guess is that de:Logisim is like the many thousands of articles in the English Wikipedia that were written long ago before we got so careful, and would not be accepted today). ColinFine (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Guides for newbies

Is there any up to date guides so I can learn more about Wikipedia and it’s many complexities?

Thanks in advance! Wikihelper59 (talk) 17:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wikihelper59, welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Tutorial is a good place to start. You can check out both the source editing and visual editing versions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wikihelper59 In a moment, I'll add a full set of useful links to your Talk Page in the hope they will help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Wikihelper59 (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Queries About Maintainence Template Removal

Hello, admins I recently edited the wikipedia page of a university->Guru Ghasidas Vishwavidyalaya and removed the maintainence template, but an administrator reverted 2 of the templates and according to the administrator, further review of the page is required before removing the template. So I request you to further review the page and suggest ways to improve it and remove the templates. For further idea about the discussion between me and the administrator, please refer my talk page kindly, talk

Surojit mondal memes^{talk • contribs} 17:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Surojit mondal memes The editor, Dl2000, who reverted your removal of the template is not an administrator but is an experienced editor. The correct place to discuss improvements to the article and gain consensus as to which maintenance templates are appropriate is on the article's Talk Page, so other editors who have it on their watchlist can contribute to the discussion. Incidentally, the folk who answer queries here at the Teahouse are also not necessarily admins (I am not). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you sir for your guidance. Surojit mondal memes^{talk • contribs} 17:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Surojit mondal memes, welcome to the Teahouse. Dl2000 is not an administrator (and they never claimed to be one) - they are simply a very experienced editor. Discussion about improvements to an article should take place on the article's talk page - in this case, Talk:Guru Ghasidas Vishwavidyalaya. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance. Surojit mondal memes^{talk • contribs} 17:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft

Hello I cannot find where my draft was placed Conceptcontext (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Conceptcontext, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean Draft:Choi Seung-hee? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Found it thank you! any idea where I should move it next ? Conceptcontext (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Conceptcontext, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't get it: a version of the text is already at Choi Seung-hee. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Conceptcontext, please do not move it anywhere. I assume you've seen the post Liz made on your talk page - if you think your draft is ready, you should remove the dashboard template from the top and submit it to Articles for Creation (WP:AfC). But it seems the article already exists? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

As does much of the wording (exist, that is). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes I am having trouble moving it to articles for creation and yes the page already exists I added missing information Conceptcontext (talk) 19:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Conceptcontext, that is not the way to add missing information to an existing article. You should add the missing information to the article directly, by editing the article itself - or perhaps by making suggestions on the talk page. Also, you must attribute any text you copy within Wikipedia in your edit summaries (WP:Copying within Wikipedia). I will go add an attribution to your draft now. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I was instructed to not edit the article directly. Instead use the sandbox to draft Conceptcontext (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Conceptcontext, I can't speak to what your instructor told you (I see you're a student). If you want to simply suggest changes to the article, without editing it, you should use the talk page: Talk:Choi Seung-hee. If your changes are long or complicated, you can certainly write them out in a sandbox and then link to the sandbox when you post on the talk page. It would be better, though, to propose short, simple changes if you need someone else to implement them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Figured everything out and added contributions to the main page, thank you for the support. Conceptcontext (talk) 21:57, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit Total assets

I think this section is a mistake. I am new here. Can anyone check and change

Total assets of Takeda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeda_Pharmaceutical_Company

Current: ¥4,106,463 billion (FY 2018) - or about US 4,100 b Note: The company of largest asset is AT&T with asset USD $551,669,000,000(US 551 b). Takeda can not have 7.5 times of asset of AT&T.

Correct: ¥4,106,463 "million" ?

Total equity ¥1,997,424 billion (FY 2018) should have been ¥1,997,424 million ?

Thanks

Kenn Kennlin (talk) 17:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Kennlin, welcome to the Teahouse. You can raise the issue at Talk:Takeda Pharmaceutical Company, but a simpler solution might be to check what the source attached to the value says, and edit accordingly. One immediate problem I notice is that the source claims to be for 2018, but was apparently published in 2013. Perhaps a better source is needed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Company page - paid contribution

I am creating a page for a company, and I want to provide the correct code to let the community know this. I have started a Draft because I want to work on it over time and have it reviewed before publishing. I've made sure the page is neutral, nothing marketing or salesy and just facts with citations.

I inserted the source code that lists who my employer is and who our client is, but the editor told me it was the incorrect code. It told me to insert a different code that just says paid contributor. When I inserted that code, the editor told me it could only be used on Talk pages.

What am I doing wrong? Thanks so much in advance for any help. Mlennon1 (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mlennon1, welcome to the Teahouse. There are no edits to any draft from this account - can you give us a link, or at least its name? A paid editing disclosure normally goes on your user page, User:Mlennon1, in one of the forms at Template:Paid#Usage ({{paid|employer=ACME}} for example). There's a different template for talk pages, {{connected contributor (paid)}}. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Mlennon1 I would suggest that you think of it as an article about your company, instead of a "page for" it. This may put you in a better mindset. A Wikipedia article about a company should not just give facts, it should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself and what it does, only in what sources wholly unconnected with the company choose on their own to say about the significance/influence/importance of the company as they see it. 331dot (talk) 18:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your response! This makes sense. Mlennon1 (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! This makes sense. So now that I have added the disclosure to my user page, do I need to do anything when I create an article/page for a company, or will it automatically show up? I haven't published the draft yet which is probably why you don't see it. Mlennon1 (talk) 19:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for being so upfront about all this, @Mlennon1! When you create the draft, either you or someone else will need to place the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template on its talk page, it will not show up automatically. It's not hard to do, though (someone here at the Teahouse could do it for you if you're stuck). When you've created the draft, I recommend coming back here to ask for a quick look-over, and perhaps for an AfC submission template if you haven't placed one already. Beware - many paid editors get their first efforts quickly deleted for being overly promotional! Don't take that personally if it happens. This will be quite a learning process. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Mlennon1 Note that "Publish changes" should be interpreted as "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". I would suggest that you click it so that you don't lose your draft's content. 331dot (talk) 19:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mlennon1 You spoke of writing a "page for" a company. Someone suggested you think of it as an "article about" the company, suggesting that it would put you in a better mindset for writing it. But there's a much more important reason that both you and the company had better not just think of it that way, but realize that it IS that way. Should this company turn out to be sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, and should you succeed in writing this article--entirely based NOT on anything you happen to know about the company--so that it passes muster, then the article will not be owned by the company, nor will it be controlled by the company. Once it's there, in general, anybody can edit the article. If they happen to find something that the company would rather keep out of the article, and that something is relevant and reliably sourced, then they can put it into the article, and there's really nothing you or the company can do about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes!! Definitely aware of this, but thank you for the reminder :) Mlennon1 (talk) 21:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

This is helpful. I was totally shying away because Publish changes seemed so official. Will do so shortly! Appreciate your response! Mlennon1 (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Great! I published the draft, added the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template on its talk page, and submitted the draft for review. This has been a good learning experience even so far, so thank you again for all of your help! Mlennon1 (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

So your draft does a nice job of documenting the existence of the company, describing its staff and what it does, as well as it routine activities. The trouble is, that's not what Wikipedia is looking for. We are looking for a summary of what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about the company and what makes it important/significant/influential- how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. You mention "Smart Communications has been recognized by Aspire, a global analyst and market research firm, as a leading provider of Customer Communications Management software" but give no indication as to what makes that significant for this company. It isn't a Nobel Peace Prize or Pulitzer Prize. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I've fixed up the connected contributor template a bit. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

the most important question of all time, plus one about italian wp i guess

the biggest question that has never been asked.......... has mike ever actually bulled a turn?

and on a less important note, are different language versions of wikipedia supposed to automatically log you in? because for some reason, looking at the italian article on salvatore ruocco was enough for it to create an account, log me in, and for someone to send me a welcome message cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes indeed, @Cog-san. That is a feature, not a bug (tends to catch some folks by surprise, though). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

yeah, should have seen that coming

shoutouts to that article using imdb as a source and only getting a "that looks kinda sussy tbh" note there, with that same source being treated like a war crime here cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 20:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe IMDb is more reliable in Italian. But I doubt it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cogsan. English Wikipedia didn't use to be so careful about sourcing, particularly in the early days, when getting coverage was the goal; but it has got stricter over the years. (That's why there are so many thousands of seriously dodgy articles here, and why we don't accept OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as a justification for more of the same). I suspect that many other Wikipedia's haven't so far followed that progression. ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Is creating templates as registered user posssible?

Hello Wikipedians, I am EnjoyBrowser557. I felt extremely curious of if I have the ability to create Wikipedia templates. I knew that there is a template editor rights that can be applied on some users. Template editor is an user right that have the ability to be only granted by administrators. I actually searched up templates on Wikipedia and in terms of discoveries, I saw many of them, in which are used on articles, userpages, talk pages, Main page, categories, essays, and other policies. Although, many of them exist for a reason and admins are the ones who created it, I wanted to know if I can create any template. So users, here is that question: Is that even possible to create templates as a registered user and autoconfirmed user, or only admins or sysops can create templates? Try to answer that. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 22:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @EnjoyBrowser557 and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that creating templates is possible as a registered user. the template editor right is just to ensure that high-risk, common, and very complex templates (and lua modules) don't get edited by those who aren't skilled enough to understand them. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, EnjoyBrowser557—welcome to the Teahouse! Last time I checked, every (logged-in) user can create a template. However, note that templates are intended to be employed for specific uses. Help:A quick guide to templates is a good place to get started on learning how templates work. You can create your own personal template in your own userspace, as your own user subpages can be transcluded as normal templates can be. — 3PPYB6 ^{(T / C / L)} — 23:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@3PPYB6 @Melecie Could you please give me more detail on how to create templates as registered user without causing Lua errors or goofs? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 23:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Any templates that you might break are usually WP:TPROT (template protected). Lua you don't need to worry about yet.

Remember, creating a template does nothing until it is transcluded. For example, User:Sungodtemple/vand/rightgreatwrongs1 I have created but literally never used. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple If you created User:Sungodtemple/vand/rightgreatwrongs1, however you never utilized it, are you going to utilize this template in other talk pages and articles in the near future? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 23:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

EnjoyBrowser557 obviously the template is not meant for use on articles, but I probably won't use it on user talks. It's not like the extra 1 KB is doing anyone harm. Some users have also created non-functional templates, such as User:JPxG/Sig. Just make sure you don't fall under WP:U5. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple However, what does U5 mean to my own? If you define it to me, explain it why? When did this got added? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 00:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

If you only edit in your user subpages, those subpages could be deleted under WP:U5, since Wikipedia is not a free web host. I doubt this would happen to you. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 00:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple Why is Wikipedia is not a free web host? I edited articles and I have my userpage containing material related to building an encyclopedia. Furthermore, I have contributed well on Encyclopedia by adding content and citing sources. But is there an explanation of why is this site, not a free web host? Why is this policy exist? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 01:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:NOTWEBHOST means that you can't do something like host a forum on user subpages on Wikipedia, or try to game the system. Again, I doubt you are doing this. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You don't really mingle on here. The Tips of Apmh 01:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, understandable, I am advised that I am forbidden from mingling here and I definitely trying to stay on task on creating an encyclopedia. Thanks for you. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 01:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@EnjoyBrowser557 as someone who has made and edited quite a few templates I can say it's quite simple. Just find a purpose you want to make a template for, easiest would be a navbar for beginners, and then find a similar template and copy it's code into your sandbox, and play around with it until you get what you want, then move it to mainspace and link it in articles. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle I finally understand that reply. I will need the basics to create a template in a few months. Netherless, thanks already. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is referencing allowed in user subpages?

Is referencing in user subpages allowed? ThatRandomEditor101 (talk) 23:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThatRandomEditor101: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, references are allowed on user subpages. You might want to play around with a new draft or a revision of part of an article on a user subpage and make sure it looks good, and that includes references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a draft, but I have my version of the list of islands by area. Also, thanks. ThatRandomEditor101 (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

ThatRandomEditor101, referencing is not only allowed but encouraged on any Wikipedia page where article content is being discussed and debated. High quality references are like gold on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThatRandomEditor101 The only things I can think of that shouldn't be put within user pages are certain categories and nonfree images: assuming that what is there is relevant to developing content for the encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Why

My changes were undone for not a fair change. I am related to him and I spoke true facts and it was undone. Please fix ProvbalyNotZav (talk) 00:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ProvbalyNotZav: Welcome to the Teahouse. In regards to your edit at Zac Morris, you must cite where you're getting your information from from a reliable source. That doesn't even touch on it being language that is unsuitable for an encyclopedia. Your other edit isn't constructive either. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ProvbalyNotZav. You added your opinion about something. You may be right, you may be wrong: it doesn't matter. Your opinion (and my opinion, and any other random person's opinion on the web) do not belong in Wikipedia articles. Articles should summarize what reliablesources say, not what an editor thinks. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

chess notability

The Tennison Gambit article has the ICBM variation, where black loses a queen. I'm pretty confused whether or not this variation meets notability guidelines or not, because the video about the variation has >3.5m views on youtube. tynjee 04:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@-tynjee Notability is complicated, because even a YouTube video can show more noteworthiness than any standard primary source. In the case of the Tennison Gambit, ICBM probably has weight to be included in that article (also it has 7m views) The Tips of Apmh 04:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Based on the references / further reading, it seems there are at least 3 books written about it. That would pass WP:GNG if I am understanding it correctly. RudolfRed (talk) 04:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

fixing @-tynjee: RudolfRed (talk) 04:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

apparently I misunderstood the question, sorry RudolfRed (talk) 04:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

References to Sites with Affiliate Notices

When adding reference links to articles, are websites that have affiliate notices considered reputable? For context, I noticed on the Octane Render page that it has a link to Octane's own website on the Octane-X paragraph, and the link reference is to Octane's website also. This led me to searching for reputable websites that referenced this stuff so I could fix it. Two in particular, (specific links to potential references) Apple Insider and 9to5Mac have disclosures that they earn money for affiliate links. Thanks for any help and clarity. Chadnc (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Chadnc, and welcome to the Teahouse. Try WP:AFFILIATE for some information, and read through WP:RS for some general information that may help you. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

bots to update article sections

Hello. I am a novice editor and have consistently been updating the sex education policies and access section in the Sex education in the United States page. However, policies are always changing and it can be hard to review the source material and constantly update which policies are changing where. Do you think I could employ a bot or other strategies to help me update that section of the page more easily?

Thanks. HEARTBURNPIGEON (talk) 05:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, running a bot on this isn't possible due to the complications that could happen if the part that it updated was changed or deleted, and bots don't usually make prose changes in articles. I also don't know how you would be able to do this and get approval for it. The best way is just to make the changes manually. Thanks, JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@HEARTBURNPIGEON You may find that the template {{As of}} helps in situations like this. Behind the scenes it populates a category page highlighting articles with potentially dated statements, making it easier for human editors to know what might need updating and making it very clear to readers when the article's information was last checked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

You can also consider tagging a section with an appropriate Current Event template, found at WP:CET. I don't think that's appropriate for the entire article, but if there is an actual ongoing event (like a legislative debate or a relevant court case), it can be helpful to tag the affected sections. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks you all! I will definitely consider the following next time I edit the page HEARTBURNPIGEON (talk) 18:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

STANLEY CUP

IN ONE ARTICLE , it is stated that the winner of the Stanley Cup is NHL League Champion I do not think that is so . I say that for 2022-2023 the Boston Bruins are The League Champions of the NHL Joe Byrnes LANNIN 127 (talk) 06:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Stanley Cup Hello, LANNIN 127, and welcome to the Teahouse. On the article, it says that The Stanley Cup is the championship trophy awarded annually to the National Hockey League (NHL) playoff champion. This is true, and per WP:CRYSTALBALL, Wikipedia is not the place for predicting future events or results. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@LANNIN 127: Which article? I don't find it in the search "NHL League Champion". The Boston Bruins won the 2022–23 Presidents' Trophy which is not the same as the Stanley Cup decided in June. Presidents' Trophy#History says:

The Trophy was introduced at the start of the 1985–86 NHL season by the League's Board of Governors. Prior to this, the best team in the League during the regular season was allowed to hang a banner reading "NHL League Champions."

The term appears to be unused today. Are you sure the article said "NHL League Champions" and not "NHL Champions"? The latter means the winner of the Stanley Cup. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

KARIPAKKAM

ACTULY kARAIPPAKKAM IS THE RIGHT NAME OF THE PLACE.BUT YOUR GOOGLE MAPS WRITTEN WORNG SPELLING(KARIPAKKAM).PLEASE RECTIFY. THANKS. 210.10.7.208 (talk) 06:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no control over what Google does. You'll have to go through their channels. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Copying text across articles

Is there anything objectionable about copying large blocks of text from one Wikipedia article to another, as was done in this edit of "History of North Macedonia" (text copied from COVID-19 pandemic in North Macedonia)? Fabrickator (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: At the very least it needs to be properly attributed per WP:COPYWITHIN. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Fabrickator. Copying content from one article to another is just fine, as long as attribution to the source has been given. The edit summary should say something like "copied content from COVID-19 pandemic in North Macedonia". Cullen328 (talk) 07:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Setting aside the issue of properly attributing the copied content, it seems that the timeframe of the Covid-related information has become somewhat ambiguous. The Covid information presented was evidently for the period from February 2020 to July 2020, but it is not apparent to what extent this section is expected to be in chronological order. As written, we can only conclude that after July 2020, Covid just suddenly disappeared in North Macedonia. Fabrikator (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Fabrickator, I did not take a look at the appropriateness of the content, but just the attribution issue. If you can update the content with more recent sources, that would be a great improvement. Cullen328 (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: It seems that you misunderstand, I am not advocating for this edit, I am advocating against it. My feeling is that the involved editor is repeatedly making inappropriate edits. He insists that he has the right to "add information" to articles. His preferred approach to doing this is to copy text blocks from one article to a related article. I have reverted a couple of his edits, but I am looking for other editors to confirm that my objections are valid. He is motivated to make these changes because he believes that editing a lot of articles is the path for him to obtain higher privilege levels. Fabrickator (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Why does my article look like an advertisement

Hello, I'm a first time writer so I'm finding it difficult understanding some of the rules. I started an article for a non-profit organisation that I have no affiliation with. The reason I started the article is because I was reading about Women who code and saw that an organisation like that is present in Nigeria. However, the article's draft keeps getting declined because of a COI. Would anyone be so kind to tell me what needs changing or removing? I have read the notability, advertisement and COI articles. Draft:She Code Africa.

I really need help, I'll be super grateful if anyone can please point me to what I'm doing wrong. Hannydevelop (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

You've asked for help in several locations, please use only one way of asking for help at a time. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop One of the problems is that you have parts like the paragraph that starts "They have the School of engineering....." which are the sorts of thing that might be on the organisations website but are less relevant to an encyclopaedia article and do sound like advertising. This is a case where "less may be more". You have some sources that meet the golden rules and perhaps should trim the draft to focus on those, illustrating why the organisation meets the notability guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

See Women's Technology Empowerment Centre as to how it might look, although even that article is far from perfect (actually, no article ever is perfect). Lectonar (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Hannydevelop and welcome to the Teahouse. One of the difficulties, perhaps, in writing a Wikipedia article about a tech subject like this, is that a lot of the coverage comes from tech, business, and entrepreneurial publications, which often talk in a business and promotional language and tone.

It's not a trivial task reflecting what these sources have to say without talking the same business and promotional language. Add to that an editor who is well-versed in writing at a professional level, and add to that suspicions (whether well-founded or unfounded) that there may be undisclosed paid or unpaid editing, and that makes the prospect of having a "reads like an advert" tag attached or it failing review for that reason.

As for fixing these issues, follow Mike Turnbull's useful advice (above). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Esowteric I'll like to know if there's still any tone of promotional content in the article? Also, is it a COI if I applied for the program in 2020 but didn't get in? Hannydevelop (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, Hannydevelop. Others here like Michael D. Turnbull can give you a far better idea than I can about the article's tone as it now stands. As for the UPE that has been removed by an admin ("not UPE"), that has now been taken up instead as a possible COI, perhaps others here could read through the talk page threads and offer guidance or options for dispute resolution. It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about the Spanish Inquisition, which is not what we expect when visiting the Teahouse. Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

There's certainly a COI here, but simply placing {{UserboxCOI|1=She Code Africa}} at User:hannydevelop is all that's needed to resolve the issue. Then submit the article through AfC, and use {{edit request}}s in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I think Theroadislong added that already Hannydevelop (talk) 15:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

There is nothing on your user page. You user page is here: User:Hannydevelop. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I have added that. Is there something else I should add? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, you could add {{connected contributor}} to the talk page of the draft if you like (or I could, or anyone could) if you feel it necessary, but it's not technically required. You've declared as requested, that should be the end of that issue. Unfortunately I'm not at all familiar with WP:NORG so I can't help much when it comes to sorting through the references on your draft. The ORG criteria are tricky. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for you help. I really don't like when people decline drafts with no reason. If you feel it sounds like an advert, you should let the editor know what they're doing wrong so that they don't repeat it Hannydevelop (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, they did give you a reason - it was just a very general one. Reviewers aren't required to give such specific guidance; if they were, fewer people would have the time to be reviewers, the backlog would shoot up and the system would probably break down. The vast majority of us are volunteers with limited free time; generally, the onus is on the person wanting to do something to do the research and educate themselves via links provided. That's one reason why writing articles from scratch is so hard for newcomers. Sometimes even for experienced folks. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

can you take a look and let me know what I'm missing? Most non-profit organisations like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Who_Code and SCA don't have many references available online so its suprising when someone declines them as not notable Hannydevelop (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

inappropriate promotional content in the lede section alone includes “They have a strong focus on expanding their reach” “membership locations across 20+ African countries, She Code Africa is currently the largest women in tech community in Nigeria” “programs encompass a wide range of technical and non-technical fields, including bootcamps in Cloud Engineering, Web development, Product management, Product design, Mobile development, Program management, and more” “has actively built networks and partnerships to train young secondary school girls and women in relevant tech skills.” there is more. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

This is very helpful, I'm working on them now. What do I do if the linked sources are announcement for call of application written by a secondary party? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, the primary problem at this point seems to be your sources, which, as I said, I'm not very competent at evaluating when it comes to organizations. If I were writing the article, I'd find someone who did know sources, give them a short list, and ask if any were any good. If they said "Yes, those three are good", I'd start writing the article based only on those sources. A very short, simple article with lots of inline citations to those good sources, and nothing else. Make it very easy for a reviewer. But that's just how I tend to do things. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong thinks two of the sources are unreliable since thry're blogs. I'm removing them now. He also gave a clear statement of the promotional tones and I'm currently removing them. I don't really know much editors but @Theroadislong is giving helpful tips. I'll ping @Theroadislong when I'm done. He has been extremely helpful. I'm also sorry for disturbing you good people Hannydevelop (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Michael D. Turnbull this was super helpful. I have trimmed down the article's tone and references according to the guide given. Please, if you're a little less busy check it out, all reviews are welcome. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:She_Code_Africa Hannydevelop (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop You should also read neutral point of view because the real problem is not really the COI. The whole draft is written in marketing lingo and will never make it to "article" status at this state. The Tips of Apmh 12:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop: Welcome to the Teahouse. There is language that I would expect to see in ad copy. In the lede alone there's She Code Africa is closing the gender digital divide in Africa by creating mentorship programs and [i]n 6 years of running, they have actively created networks and partnerships to train young secondary school girls and women with relevant tech skills. In §History, there's

She Code Africa, created an environment that encourages young African women to grow successful tech careers, and ensure they are equally represented across all career roles and levels in technology.

In addition to being unsourced, the use of encourages makes me feel like the organisation is being unambiguously portrayed in a positive light, and there's a neutral point of view that must be maintained on this site. The use of vague verbs like trying and focused on doesn't help either. I personally don't like when etc. is used in prose, as it's a lazy way of saying "I'm not going to mention any more things, so click on the reference to find out more!"

On a side note, please get rid of the comma splices. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm removing these sentences, thank you for your review Hannydevelop (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you've been put through the mill across at your talk page, Hannydevelop. Thank you for your question at the Teahouse, and for your contributions to Wikipedia. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No problem, I'll delete those once I have this sorted out. It seems a lot of people take money to write articles, that's why no one wants to believe when I say I don't have any affiliation with SCA. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong. Hannydevelop (talk) 14:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop, it seems you do have some affiliation. This is not really a big deal - you're not going to get blocked, your draft is not going to get deleted. All you need to do is put a small notice on your user page and submit the article through AfC; then, if it's accepted, you can make edit requests on the talk page if significant changes are needed in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

That's why I came to the tea house, will you consider someone who applied to a "school" but didn't get in an affiliation? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, @Hannydevelop. This can all be resolved in ten seconds if you simply place {{UserboxCOI|1=She Code Africa}} on your user page, and continue to go through AfC. You're not going to be arrested or anything. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

The COI is a little more nuanced than that. Perhaps the text parameter could be used to allow Hannydevelop to better express herself? See Template:UserboxCOI#Parameters. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Certainly, but getting the simple declaration out there and done seemed like the first priority (also easiest to do!). Further tweaking can now commence if desired. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Just a note to say that the first rejection (promotional content) has now morphed into a second rejection for lack of notability. FWIW, I've been through the references and wikilinked those web sites or publishers that have Wiki articles, but I haven't looked closely to check the references for in-depth coverage or verifiability. Other sites may be notable. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Theroadislong has pointed out what needs removing. I'm on it now. Hannydevelop (talk) 16:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ben

I need someone to add the term on the meaning for the 2023 hip term that's being used a lot with the name Ben being used to refer to a furry like double meanings kind of like Karen how that has became what it was it's currently only being used in most of Australia like most of it but it's also now being used all over some big city's in America and the UK to refer to a furry BananaSmugglingBandit (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Have you got any reliable sources WP:RS at all? - Roxy the dog 15:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @BananaSmugglingBandit, welcome to the Teahouse. As mentioned above, Wikipedia is not a collection of reports on everything that is happening in the world - it is an encyclopedia that summarizes what has been reported in reliable sources. Have any major newspapers, for instance, mentioned this new term? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a dictionary and the page you have linked to is for people, whose name is Ben, with Wikipedia articles, i.e. not the use you are trying to add. If you think the word should be included in the page Ben (disambiguation), you would need to write an article, and have it accepted first. As explained at WP:NEO, Wikipedia is cautious about such articles as such "articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term" - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@BananaSmugglingBandit On the other hand, there is Wiktionary which is a dictionary. Maybe its entry for furry will give you an idea how to add to its entry for Ben: but you will still need valid sources. Ben is already American slang. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Reference Creation Tool

Is there any tool that I can use to automatically fill out references for me? Like I can input the date accessed, book name, author name and then it just outputs a properly formatted Wikipedia reference tag for me? Esoptr0n (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Esoptr0n, welcome to the Teahouse. The simplest and most widely-available tool is the one attached to the top of the edit window - in source editing mode, it's just labeled Cite, and brings up a drop-down list of templates to be filled out and inserted. Visual editing mode has a similar button. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for showing me this Esoptr0n (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esoptr0n: There are various tools of varying fancyness for this, but the format I found to be most efficient when I was writing a lot of pages quickly was to have a simple txt file on my computer with the minimum information that I always want to be in a citation. It has the following templates in plaintext:

JOURNAL: <ref>{{cite journal |first= |last= |title= |journal= |volume= |issue= |pages= |date= |doi=}}</ref>

WEB: <ref>{{cite web |url= |title= |publisher= |date= |access-date=}}</ref>

NEWS: <ref>{{cite news |url= |title= |work= |first= |last= |date= |access-date=}}</ref>

BOOK: <ref>{{cite book |first= |last= |date= |title= |publisher= |page= |isbn=}}</ref>

For me the easiest way to cite a lot of information quickly is to just paste by hand the info into these barebones templates in the old-school editor. Your mileage may vary of course. - Astrophobe (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esoptr0n Even better is the WP:citation expander, which does all the work for you and is brilliant for journals with a digital object identifier in particular, although it works to a limited extent on webpages and books as well. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the info Esoptr0n (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is the Wikipedia Tea House associated with the Tea Party politicians?

Is the Wikipedia "Tea House" associated with the Tea Party politicians?

I know that conservative Tea Party politicians are always trying to censor liberal celebrities, so I was wondering if Wikipedia is Tea Party. Tonyterryfacebook (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tonyterryfacebook, welcome to the Teahouse. Teahouses are much older than the Tea Party - but probably not older than tea parties. Wikipedia is run by the nonprofit Wikimedia Foundation, or WP:WMF - follow that link to learn more. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No. The Tips of Apmh 16:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, the usual criticism Wikipedia gets is that we are too liberal and trying to silence conservatives, not the other way round. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Is my Article notable? + Trouble at making the Article itself

Hello, ive written an Article for the Actor Bryan Zampella, which hes also speculated to be the next actor for the next gta game. Ive written everything but i think my grammar is bad. Ive researched so much and it was so hard to do on Mobile. I think i just need help. Anyone want to help/give advice?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Zampella Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Ayyyple2, and welcome to the Teahouse. The most important thing you need to do for this article is to include inline references: have a look at WP:Referencing for beginners to find out how to do this. You also don't need the Hacking in the 2020s navigational template, one template is usually enough. I'm reformatting the article slightly to conform with other biographies of living persons, but you will still have to place the references in the article, supporting each statement (WP:BLPRS might help in this instance).

Also remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and that Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors.

Hope that helps! ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ayyyple2, I agree with ContributeToTheWiki. Rumors do not belong in a biography of a living person, so please remove all that speculation. Unless this person has received significant coverage in several reliable, independent sources, he is not notable. Actors who have had only minor roles are rarely notable. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I mean he did not only play minor roles Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 In its current state, the article will not pass the review by the new page patrollers and they will draftify it or possibly reject it altogether. I urge you to move it back to draft space yourself before that happens. You seem to have a huge bunch of unused references at the end, which don't appear to belong in the article at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: Article moved to draftspace: Draft:Bryan Zampella ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I did add how it is not confirmed it is him, i really tried my best. There's also : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alexandra_Cristina_Echavarri

But im really bad at this, sorry Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 Looking at your Talk Page, you have a history of creating poor articles in mainspace and having them draftified by others, including myself for Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You appear to have abandoned these drafts but gone on to create other mainspace articles on different topics. This is causing unnecessary work for other editors and you should in future always use the WP:AfC process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I apologise for my behavior mike, i really am trying my best but i write all of this on my phone which can be hard, sure i have time, but im a beginner... i dont even know how to create Drafts, is my article even notable? Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

one of my modt notable articles id Francisco lugo viña molina Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

No, Draft:José de Lugo-Viña y Molina has multiple issues. As to "know how to create drafts", why don't you just click on the WP:AfC link I have already supplied and all will be revealed! Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh im not talking about jose, his brother francisco https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francisco_Lugo-Vi%C3%B1a_Molina Ayyyple2 (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Theres also the Soybooru one, i thought this was easy... what do you recommend me doing now? Ayyyple2 (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Draft:Francisco Lugo-Viña Molina is better: you are using the correct AfC process for that and it has already had many helpful edits from others including myself. My suggestion is that you now slow down and return to those drafts which need more work before you start anything new. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you.. ill try to citate stuff if possible.. on phone its a bit of a mess Ayyyple2 (talk) 10:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Takatomi Senge

Is it normal to have subjects covered at Simple Wikipedia but not here? Can someone copy it over with attribution? Start an entry on it? I already have an extensive backlog and none of my AfC drafts are getting reviewed. It's ridiculous we don't have coverage of subjects like these and are blocking their addition. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @FloridaArmy, welcome to the Teahouse. Someone certainly could do that - you might have more slightly more luck asking at a relevant WikiProject, rather than here. There's even Draft:Takatomi Senge. I'm not sure what you mean by "blocking their addition" though, since the title isn't create-protected. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@FloridaArmy It seems like you believe that your drafts are more important and should get reviewed first, which is excusable for a newcomer but you have a hundred-thousand edits? The Tips of Apmh 17:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Please don't put words in my mouth User:The Tips of Apmh. I never said that. Clearly the system is broken. Clearly it shouldn't take months for notable subjects to be added. Clearly the response to people pointing out the problem shouldn't be false and aggressive personal attacks. I asked if someone can copy the existing entry over or start and entry for this subject it as I am unable to do it in a timely manner. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

FloridaArmy Are you aware that the AFC process is voluntary?(unless you have some editing restriction or topic ban) If you are confident your drafts would survive an AFD discussion, you can certainly move them to mainspace yourself. There are thousands of drafts awating review and very few reviewers to look at them. The list of needed reviews is not a queue; reviewers pick drafts to review. 331dot (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

331dot, FloridaArmy has an editing restriction requiring the use of AfC and limiting the volume of their submissions. Cullen328 (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that clarification, I suspected that but hadn't checked. FloridaArmy, you are just going to have to be patient until such point when you are able to get your editing restriction lifted. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Knoops Chocolate

Hi, I have a question. I recently created a draft and submit at Afc it got accepted and reviewed as well. Knoops Chocolate

My question is my does the talk page is listed on google? Why not the article page? Simonriley1994 (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Simonriley1994: just to be clear, your draft wasn't reviewed at AfC and accepted, it was moved into the main space by a relatively new editor who is not an AfC reviewer. The article has since been patrolled, however, but that was only a few hours ago, which may explain why it doesn't yet show up on Google searches. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Formatting and false and misleading content

1. is there a format program or manual to review as i have a hard time formatting even simple changes.

2. why do you allow clearly political statements especially from subjects of the 1950s and 1960s yet refuse to publish fact ( which is established) later in the 1990s or 2000s with KGB/CIA and other files become open public knowledge? Especially in Africa de colonization and civil wars conflicts 69.157.244.174 (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you give an example of an article which refuse to publish fact (which is established)? ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello. WP:CHEATSHEET may be useful. As for your second question, it is far too vague and sweeping and open ended. Wikipedia editors deal with specific questions about specific articles. If you claim that some editors "refuse to publish fact", then you need to provide convincing evidence in the form of specific articles and talk page discussions. Cullen328 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328: IP editor 69.157.244.174 may be referring to this edit of theirs, which was reverted, as part of the claimed refusal to publish fact. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. That particular edit was unreferenced, argumentative, and plagued with typographical errors and excess capitalization. The proper place to discuss the substance is Talk:Guinea. Cullen328 (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I get started?

I'm a new editor on Wikipedia, and I am familiarized with some Wikipedia essays and advice from other editors. You all are welcome to give me greetings, and plus, my first edit is New Covent Garden Market. I also created my userpage as well as knowing how to use userboxes in a right way. I really wanted to explore around Wikipedia. Also, in addition to this, I am using the guest mode on my own browser. This is my first step to being a Wikipedian. I also plan to find sources on the Internet as time flies by. How do I even get started with Wikipedia and its pages? = ThisImpartialGuest94 (talk). 18:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

It depends on how you want to contribute. I participate a lot in article expansion and creation. I started off expanding the article on the Manuma. One big thing I wish I did was use the VisualEditor as it makes templates and formatting citations much easier. ✶Mitch199811✶ 19:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mitch199811 Try to give me examples of article expansion and creation, and using VisualEditor. = ThisImpartialGuest94 (talk). 19:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThisImpartialGuest94 Experimenting yourself is the best method. Try starting here and don't rush! Ask another question at the Teahouse if you run into a specific problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Can this search function somehow have an exception and be removed?

The search function I am mentioning is that when you type CS:GO into the search bar it sends you to the Czech(?) Wikipedia on the GO disambiguation page. Is there any way there could be made an exception? (on the Bulgarian Wikipedia) Thanks RadoGaming7 (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

(for those unaware of what CS:GO is)  Courtesy link: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@RadoGaming7 Typing "CS:GO" into the search bar of vector 22 (the current default skin on English Wikipedia) gives the Counter-Strike article as its first suggestion. If Bulgarian Wikipedia does something different, you'll have to complain there.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: On the other hand, if you press ↵ Enter after typing CS:GO into the search field, it will bring you to the Czech Wikipedia as described. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@RadoGaming7: Exceptions are not possible. cs is the interlanguage prefix for Czech. If you enter or click CS:GO or anything else starting with cs: in any capitalization then you are taken to the Czech Wikipedia. It:Chapter Two goes to "Chapter Two" at the Italian Wikipedia instead of the article It Chapter Two. I once placed an English note linking to the English article. I don't know whether the Czech Wikipedia would allow something similar. Such a note cannot depend on which wiki a user came from. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is an American game with an English title and the English Wikipedia is the largest so if a note is made then it should point to the English Wikipedia and not the Bulgarian. Species:The Awakening. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I was WP:BOLD and added a link to the English page, but it seems that the local concensus is against that. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 08:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Is archiving a clipping from Newspapers.com overkill?

Typically, I archive these links, but this time around I'm having issues with my usual go-tos for archiving links. As a result, I'm passing on archiving my cited clippings. My assumption is that since they're from Newspapers.com they'll be more or less permanent. Is this a reasonable assumption to make or should I archive these clippings later? Thanks!—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24 The main reason to continue to archive the links is for the convenience of our readers. Newspapers.com is pay-to-view, although they do offer a free trial period. The Wayback Machine is likely to continue to be free, like Wikipedia itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I used to use Wayback Machine, but they're so slow and often times the site makes me wait for long periods before I can archive a link. Which is why I switched to Megalodon a couple of months ago, but lately it's been giving me grief with Newspapers.com links for some reason. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Actually, there are bots which automatically create the Wayback Machine links, so it should be no big deal to leave it to them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you so much for your reply! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Finding the books I created

I have created several books using book creator. Ho do i find my books and reopen them to add more pages Jasbflower (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Jasbflower and welcome to the Teahouse. Are these the books in your list of contributions? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, those are mine. But if I use that path in book creator it doesn’t recognize me as the creator. Jasbflower (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower The book namespace no longer exists. See WP:Books for the background. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

... and if you click on one of your previous contributions, you'll see a message on the top telling you the book rendering service has been withdrawn. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I don’t understand what you’re saying. I don’t know what a name space is. My books are not published or public, they are not an article I intend to publish in Wikipedia. They are books I have built in order to gather a number of articles on a subject I am interested in. Jasbflower (talk) 20:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower Sorry, I looked at User:Jasbflower/Books/Blanchflower's and saw a big warning message at the top, which is what I thought was relevant. Help:Books which you appeared to be using no longer works (see that link). Technically, it used something called a WP:namespace but it doesn't matter that you don't know what that is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I’ve seen that warning over and over. Whatever it is warning of, is not what I am doing. I created several books, when the warning was present, nevertheless, I created all the books. I simply don’t remember how to get back to a book, it entails using a “path” jasbflower/Books/Blanchflower.

can I put a * or some other “word” to see all the books I have created? Jasbflower (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower: The bottom of Special:Contributions/Jasbflower has a "Subpages" link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jasbflower/ which shows the books you have created in your own userspace. You also created some books in the socalled Book namespace which wasn't personal but shared. Those books have been deleted but can be restored to your userspace on request. As an administrator I can see these deleted books: "Being Digitized", "Judasim to Christianity", "Auditing in the Modern Era", "Blanchflowers", and "Philosophy" which you didn't originally create but you overwrote an existing book. There is also indication of books called "Digital Dasein" and "Modern Auditing for Government" but they cannot be restored. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes please restore anything I created to my user space. I did not knowingly overwrite anything but my own creations. The over written books were probably created by me with a different user name, older than jasbflower or perhaps the difference is that the older user name was all lowercase. Jasbflower (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jasbflower: I have restored the five books to your userspace. For three of them I added "2" to the title to avoid a name clash with an existing book. In 2016 you overwrote an old book "Philosophy" from 2009, probably by accident after choosing a title which already existed. I have only restored your version. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Levels of vandalism

If someone does something like blanking pages, can we just skip to a level 4 warning? User101FrOas (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

User101FrOas Hello and welcome. Warnings may be used as is appropriate for the circumstances- you don't need to go through 1, 2, 3, 4, final if the problem is serious. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help User101FrOas (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Citing Troubles

Hello all, I am currently trying to fix the sources for the hit 2004 stealth video game Metal Gear Solid 3. I would like to fix the issues addressed by this review. I am having trouble finding a better source for citation 37. Do you, the teahouse, believe the parts with that source in it (37-39) should be removed, as it may fall under WP:TOOMUCH. What are your thoughts on this issue? CadNav (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

CadNav If there aren't other sources that talk about her outfit, it's not worth mentioning. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, that featured article review stated that IMDB was used too many times. I want to cite the credits of the game, would I just put a reference of the game, or do I need to actually write what the credits say in the game? CadNav (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How to add a wikilink in an article for itself?

First of all, sorry for the confusing title, I don't know how to phrase this question exactly.

If I were to type [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]] in this page, it would show up as Wikipedia:Teahouse (boldface).

How do I change the default behaviour and make it a regular wikilink if possible? QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Try [[#section_that_doesn't_exist|your text here]]. This turns into your text here. Or you could do a redirect, like WP:TH. Why do you ask this question? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: To link Wikipedia talk:Edit Request Wizard on itself. I am currently writing a talk page comment on it to ask somebody to fix a flaw in the wizard if possible, becuase I wanted to make an edit request on a template, but noticed the wizard didn't work. QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 22:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah. I might be able to fix that. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hidden Information

How do I put a "hidden" message in an article like that can only be seen when editing in the source editing mode? I've seen it before but I forgot what action is to be taken to perform something like that. Like "this is here but you can't see it in the main article for example", something that is usually only read when editors are trying to edit the article. Onion1981 (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Onion1981. I don't know whether VisualEditor can make such comments. In the source editor, place it between <!-- and -->. See more at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Invisible comments. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter and @Onion1981: Yes, this can also be done (and also seen) in the visual editor. Typing <!-- will automatically bring up the invisible comment prompt, at which point you can type whatever it is into the text field and click Insert when finished. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's easier to remember, you can also use the dropdown marked with "+", there it will bring a list of useful options. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 04:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Template Question

I have just created [template] and am wondering how to add an autocollapse feature to it as you can see on Maynard Alfred it takes up a lot of space. Thanks for your time. Masohpotato (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

@Masohpotato: It looks like the new template is based on {{Navbox}}. From looking at the instructions there, you should be able to set "state=collapsed" to have it start in the collapsed state. RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

On and Upon

There's a lot of places in the UK which are triple-barrelled with words like on and upon separating the first word (usually the abbreviated word for the village/town/city) from the third word (which are usually seas, canals, rivers, former counties etc).

However recently I've noticed that a lot of the articles for buildings and other areas in those villages/towns/cities which are named after those villages/towns/cities are using the abbreviated names, not only in the article title but also in the opening paragraphs.

For example there's...

• Berwick Castle which their owners English Heritage call Berwick-Upon-Tweed Castle And Ramparts.
• Berwick Town Hall which I'm currently debating which is the correct name.

Both of which are obviously named after Berwick-upon-Tweed where they're located.

Should they all use the full names if they're clearly named after the triple-barrelled place they're situated?

Should they keep the abbreviated name for the article title, but use the full name for the rest of the article?

Google isn't much help with this type of thing, as they're usually around 50/50 in terms of what is the most common name, plus a lot of the time, websites have got their information from Wikipedia which is incorrect a lot of the time, especially when it comes to things like specific addresses, Danstarr69 (talk) 00:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I think, combining WP:ON WP:COMMONNAME, it would be best to just leave them with their current names, as from what I can tell that is what they are usually called. Thanks, JML1148 (talk | contribs) 01:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

An article about an individual person typically starts with that person's name, complete with all middle names and the like, just once. (Thus the article Bill Clinton starts "William Jefferson Clinton (né Blythe III; born August 19, 1946) is an American politician".) So perhaps articles about places should treat placenames analogously. My guess is that guidance is given within Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), but I can't pretend I've read this. Read it and digest it, and if it fails to explain then ask at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). -- Hoary (talk) 04:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating a Carus Chemical Company Wikipedia page

Hello, I need help creating a Wikipedia page for the Carus Chemical Company. Can someone please help write/finish such an article? Thank You Bond000777 (talk) 04:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bond000777: Welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've asked this exact same question at a user's talk page and a tangentially related article's talk page, as well as starting a draft on the subject. There might be a WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management where an interested editor might be willing to help out. It would help if you could secure secondary sources that are reliable (prefereably three). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Can't certain kinds of letters be used as references?

I know that Wikipedia frowns on using letters as references. But what about letters written to the subject of an article from (1) a important public figure such as a country's prime minister, and (2) a noted religious leader — both held in general high esteem and respect?

Augnablik (talk) 06:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

@Augnablik: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason why Wikipedia frowns on using letters as references is because they're limited in use and don't establish notability as Wikipedia defines it. The examples you've given would be primary sources due to their direct connection with the subject, and one could only state what was written in those letters; any interpretation, analysis, evaluation, etc. on the editor's part is forbidden by the no original research policy and its subsection synthesis.
In short, you can write about the contents of the letter, but not any further in what it means unless you have a secondary source that is reliable that makes such observations.
The question here is: what would your intention in using them be? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. If these letters written by an important public figure such as a country's prime minister and a noted religious leader — both held in general high esteem and respect are worthy of discussion on Wikipedia, then surely these letters have been studied and analyzed by historians. If so, cite the historians. If not, then these letters are not as significant as you think. It is not the job of a Wikipedia editor to decide which primary sources are important and deserving of attention. That is the job of the authors of the reliable, secondary, independent sources that we summarize. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Outer Manchuria

Hey, I'm not sure where to go with this, but there's a serious issue with Outer Manchuria: that word never referred to the areas ceded by China to Russia until the Wikipedia article was created in 2004! I'm not sure what should be done now, but I see this as citogenesis. Any guidance appreciated! See also: Wiktionary's Outer Manchuria entry. Please ping me here if you have any advice for me. Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Geographyinitiative. Start by describing your concerns at Talk:Outer Manchuria. I agree that the article is poorly referenced, but Manchuria also describes "Outer Manchuria" as territory under Russian control along its easternmost border with China. I have no expertise with the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)