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Anthropocene

According to the initial papers and reports, the suggested start date was the eruption of Tambora in 1815. This had more to do with having a globally detectable datum, but it corresponds well with the Industrial Revolution. This should be referenced and added in. 24.174.84.238 (talk) 13:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Found a link: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2008/2008012526150.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.44.228.141 (talk) 17:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: "Anthropocene" gets 470 Google hits, mostly scholarly. Not yet in general use, but certainly current use as a term in discussion. -- The Anome 12:23, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

(William M. Connolley 20:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)) Another note: I've just written the Paul J. Crutzen page, and found his original article, and it appears to say:

  • anthropocene start mid 18C (not that a hard start date exists, mind)
  • its in IBGP newsletter (not? global ch?)
  • ps: its up to 2040 hits now... quadrupled in a year.
Now 6,170 hits. I will add this to my list of articles to consider working on.--NHSavage 23:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
23 Mar 2007 = 44,100 hits. OldDigger 09:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
13 Mar 2008 = 86,100 91.153.51.158 (talk) 04:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Holocene epoch started ~10,000ya so the Anthropocene period cannot also start then unless it is a component. However it seems that the Anthropocene can only be seen as sensibly starting in the 18C, ie. when a noticable change to past 'cycles' was observed, and that was why the term was coined. OldDigger 08:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anthropocene more likely to be accepted as the most recent age of the Holocene epoch? [1], [2] OldDigger 17:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC) More up to date with lots of references: [3] OldDigger 22:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, but it it is to be used scholarly, it won't be separate from the Holocene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.165.18.206 (talk) 05:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional source

There's a new paper up on GSA Today. Might be worth working into the article. Rl (talk) 12:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Zalasiewicz, Jan (2008). "Are we now living in the Anthropocene". GSA Today. 18 (2): 4–8. doi:10.1130/GSAT01802A.1. Retrieved 2008-01-26. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

Is so important. Refs 2 and 4 are now broken, and cannot be verified because they are bare URLs. We should really be using the {{cite web}} template to do refs, filling out the url, title, author, date, and access date so people can still use something like the Wayback Machine to verify a reference. Murderbike (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Beginning?

The opening paragraph says the Anthropocene started "in the 19th century when the activities of the humans first began to have a significant global impact."

Both earlier discussion on this talk page, and the Holocene article say it began in the 18th century. Either one makes its own sort of sense to me, but I wonder if there's some consensus. Cadwaladr (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've now read Paul Crutzen's paper on the subject, and he proposes a beginning in the late 18th century, so I'm changing it. Cadwaladr (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There may be evidence to suggest that the anthropocene started some 8 thousand years ago, with the advent of agriculture. I'll find some articles in the near future. Sippawitz (talk) 13:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Formal subdivision of the Phanerozoic timescale is not simply a numerical exercise of parceling up time into units of equal length akin to the centuries and millennia of recent history. Rather, the geological timescale is based upon recognizing distinctive events within strata."[4] Zalasiewicz et al. (2008). The megafaunal extinctions of the Quarternary may also qualify as the start of the anthropocene, one-hundred to fifty thousand years ago.[5]. This is also the time when many ecologists are marking the beginning of the current sixth mass extinction period.[6] The planets biophysical state is a complex and dynamic system with sub-systems that evolve and transition over time. The great megafaunal extinctions might represent the lower bracket if one were to put an error bar of when we crossed over to the anthropocene. It will be interesting to see what the GSA comes up with.[7]Thompsma (talk) 08:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As noted in the article here, if the onset of the Anthropocene is put at the beginning of regular agriculture, then the period would cover most of the Holocene as it is. This doesn't sound like a very good idea, and it's not as if /pre-modern world/ humans are the *only* species capable of large-scale imprint on ground ecosystems. Elephants have had a major impact on the African savanna, for instance, and so had mammoths in Eurasia during the ice age. A "recent Anthropocene" definition (anywhere between the 16th century and the 1960s) is more useful and more likely to gain acceptance from the scientific community. 83.251.164.50 (talk) 15:27, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sediment Layers?

So is it possible to improve this article with a mention of sediment layer findings that show human activity as a clearly distinguishable layer? For example, perhaps the uppermost crust contains lots of finely dispersed lead as a result of worldwide tetra-ethyl use, there may even be something extending back a little further if soot is evident in the layers? I think that would really cement this article about a new geological era! Zaphraud (talk) 21:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another marker would be the change in C14/C12-ratio in marine sediments after the widespread use of fossilic carbon. Of course, that is only discernible as long as carbon dating goes, 45000 years it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.186.37.2 (talk) 07:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can see Roman lead in Greenland ice cores William M. Connolley (talk) 13:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC) (well alright, you can't and I can't but appropriate analytic techniques can William M. Connolley (talk) 13:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Certainly, in 100 million years our current strata layer will be very distinct with all sorts of odd fossils and chemical mixtures. Flight Risk (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a bit loose with "era", "period", and "epoch"

These three terms have precise meanings in the context of the Geologic time scale. In general, there are five main levels geologic time units of global importance, from longest to shortest: Supereon, Eon, Era, Period, and Epoch. The Holocene is described as a "period" in the main text, when conventionally it's an epoch (although it is called an "epoch" in a sidebar).

If the Anthropocene is a variously called an "era", a "period", and an "epoch" at different parts of the text. This should be clarified. Please refer to the article Geologic time scale for guidance. Rebel Prophet (talk) 15:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Homogenocene

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Merge complete. I feel the arguments for merging are more compelling than the arguments against. Indeed, Homogenocene is a subset of Anthropocene, and unless more can be said about this stub, it should be merged here. Viriditas (talk) 01:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone added a request to merge Homogenocene into this article. Homogenocene refers to our current epoch, in which biodiversity is diminishing and ecosystems around the globe are becoming more similar. Thus Homogenocene is a subset of Anthropocene. Please indicate whether you support or oppose a merge and your reasons. On August 1, 2009 we will tally the comments and merge or not.

  • Support. While the two words are not synonyms, the term "Homogenocene" is contained within the meaning of "Anthropocene." I suggest that the content of the two articles be combined and a reference to Homogenocene made in the lead of this article. "Homogenocene" would then redirect to this article. Sunray (talk) 23:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No opinion but I suggest that Anthropocene should be kept if there's a merge. Andrewjlockley (talk) 00:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The two terms were invented independently. It is interesting to follow there continued use on a separate basis. Gabriel Kielland (talk) 21:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. They are separate topics, after all-- though I can understand wanting to bring them under a tidy heading, I don't think it is appropriate. -- mordicai. (talk) 00:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too different. Just not the same thing. Polargeo (talk) 22:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment You all don't want to merge a neologism that basically has the same definition (current geological epoch is close enough to the most recent period in the Earth's history...[that] constitute a new geological era) that has been used maybe twice ([8][9]) into this neologism? One person "coined" a new word and had a second repeated it. Good enough for a WP article. So for those that claim there is a difference, what is it? -Atmoz (talk) 23:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_change_in_the_United_States&action=history User:Arthur Rubin

See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_change_in_the_United_States&action=history User:Arthur Rubin 99.155.149.30 (talk) 17:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason for the following links to be in the "See also" section?

If so, please explain. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the way scientists define Anthropocene, it is a period in time where we greatly affect the planet's ecosystems. Global warming fits into this because, according to theory, we caused global warming, which in turn affects our ecosystems. All three of those links seem to tie in to the article. Feel free to correct me if my logic is flawed. Ishdarian|lolwut 09:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That argument could be used to add all eleventy-seven articles on Global warming to the "See also" section. I think "effects" might be plausible, but "scientific opinion" cannot belong. We need to choose one global warming article there, and stick with it. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:36, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense. I think Effects of global warming should stay and the other two should be omitted. Ishdarian|lolwut 09:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
User:Arthur Rubin is more concerned with Climate change denial than the clear point of this article, see Talk:Politics of global warming (United States) (for background see 2010 "The Climate War" by Eric Pooley a Businessweek editor), Denialism, Merchants of Doubt the 2010 book, *Talk:Climate change denial*, Michael Specter's 2009 book "Denialism: How Irrational Thinking Hinders Scientific Progress, Harms the Planet, and Threatens Our Lives" ISBN 978-1594202308, Talk:Climate change in the United States, or in general: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Arthur+Rubin , User:Arthur Rubin/watch ... a long trail of Obscurantism. 99.190.90.189 (talk) 09:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that you are trying to provide as much information towards global warming as you can, but Arthur is right; there needs to be a limit to how much relevant information is published to these articles. We both agree on Effects of global warming being included in the article. If you can provide your reasons why Scientific opinion on global warming and Planetary management are directly relevant to this article, then perhaps we can discuss including them. Ishdarian|lolwut 10:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
wp:tea User:Ishdarian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.155.144.211 (talk) 21:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've semiprotected the article to stop the slow edit war and added a link to Effects of global warming to the see also section. Please discuss concerns here rather than reverting w/out discussion. Vsmith (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origins of term: already used in 20th century

The article says that Paul Crutzen coined the term in 2000, but a book search with Google turns up books from the 1960s and 1970s using the term. As an example, in the German journal Polarforschung (Vol. 76, nos 1-3, p. 39, Kiel, Germany, 1960) the term is used in an English-language article: "...in the so called 'Anthropocene', the era that started with the industrial revolution about 200 years ago."--Biologos (talk) 10:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have to correct myself: The quote above is from a volume that was published in 2007, not 1960. Google made a mistake. But there are several other instances of antropocene in older literature.--Biologos (talk) 10:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definition section

The definition section has very little in the way of an actual definition for the epoch, and it's totally unsourced. Needs lots of help. Troodon311 (talk) 19:38, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

Fernandez-Armesto, Felipe. "Civilizations, Culture, Ambition and the Transformation of Nature" The Free Press 2001. This excellent history will contribute to the discussion of dating the start of the Anthropocene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmboyd99 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is this part ( ;:1[5] ) an error or an internal reference of that reference, or ?

Is this part ( ;:1[5] ) an error or an internal reference of that reference, or ? From The Anthropocene may have begun as early as 14,000 to 15,000 years before present, based on lithospheric evidence; this has led other scientists to suggest that "the onset of the Anthropocene should be extended back many thousand years";:1[5] this would be closely synchronous with the current term, Holocene. 99.181.155.142 (talk) 05:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Holocene, Early Anthropocene Hypothesis

References to the Early Anthropocene Hypothesis seem mostly from around 2003-2005, but the field has moved quite a bit since then, as more scientists have gotten interested.

The Holocene, August 2011 is a whole issue on the topic.

The challenge of dating the beginning is that if one accepts Ruddiman's general idea, the effects appear as a divergence from the expected CO2/CH4 trends, and the divergence would have been very small at the beginning, and of course noisy.JohnMashey (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Early anthropocene in 3.1 section?

The other article, Early anthropocene, is shorter than the <<"Early anthropocene" theory>> 3.1 section of this article, and has only some information which is missing here. Should that other article be merged in this article's 3.1 section? 76.10.128.192 (talk) 09:17, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it should, and the rest of Early anthropocene should be deleted as a POVFORK as stated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Early anthropocene NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of Homogenocene

I think the etymology offered for Homogenocene must be wrong. There is no way that "homo" Latin for man would be used in this way. "Homo" appears in compounds as "homini-," not "homo," which form is only used as an independent word ("Homo sapiens"). Homogenocene probably is constructed from the word "homogeneous" + "cene"; the article in which the term first occurred was referring to the homogenization of life across the planet because of transfers of organisms by humans. Homogeneous comes from "homo" "same" and "gen" "kind" in Greek. Metrodorus (talk)

Orbis Spike

I wrote this. Not sure where it goes, if anywhere.

The Orbis Spike refers to an observed drop in global CO2 levels at the beginning of the 17th century, centered on about 1610. Scientists believe this downward "spike" in CO2 was caused by the deaths of about 50 million native Americans after smallpox and other diseases were imported to the new world by Europeans. The abrupt ending of farming by millions of native Americans allowed forests and other vegetation to regrow thus pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. The Orbis Spike is a candidate marker for the beginning of the Anthropocene - it marks when the joining of the Old World and New World is first observable in the geological record. Orbis is Latin for "world" and the name represents when disconnected people became joined.

Sources: Guardian, ScienceDaily, Scientific American, Nature (original paper). -- GreenC 01:03, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted section 'Criticism of concept'

I deleted a section that began:

In his 2015 book Capitalism in the Web of Life: Ecology and the Accumulation of Capital, Jason W. Moore argues that the term anthropocene is misleading, because it ascribes to humanity as a whole what is in fact a product of a particular form of organization in a subset of human societies.

I did this because it is not evident that the author is notable. This suggests to me [I would be happy to be proved wrong] that the text has been added to advertise the book. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The author is not unnotable, and although the book is very recent, it has received many reviews. – Epipelagic (talk) 16:13, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, in that light I've undone my deletion. [I can't say I'm convinced by the thesis though. Was capitalism or goat herding the cause of the Sahara desert? He/she would be on firmer ground for climate change.] I still think that it is arguably wp:fringe / wikt:hobby horse / wikt:straw man. Some of the proposed start dates for the Anthropocene predate capitalism. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. It seems to me that objective facts such as unrestrained population and consumption levels are enough to explain the anthropocene without bringing in ideological complications. Surely it's enough to examine what humans actually do without muddying the waters by adding what humans think about what they do. Still, if ideological and political perspectives generate enough interest out there, then perhaps they should have a mention somewhere in the article. --Epipelagic (talk) 17:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the longish quote and the section. Quoting and referencing a just published book has the appearance of promotion. Needs a bit of time to gauge reception and significance. "Capitalocene" seems a rather odd made-up word although the concept seems valid. Give it time. Vsmith (talk) 14:13, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New Science paper

The new Jan 2016 Science paper from the "pro-Anthropocene" guys on the Working Group presents a nice review of some of the arguments, and some extra detail not covered here. I added what I thought looked most important. DanHobley (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ka?

What does the unit of measure, ka, used in the first graphic represent? I got zip in an engine search.Pb8bije6a7b6a3w (talk) 13:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It means thousands of years - see Year#SI_prefix_multipliers. Mikenorton (talk) 13:25, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If it started around 1950, what the heck is "KA" doing here?Arglebargle79 (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

corporocene

t human activities accelerate or exacerbate global warming. from the text this suggest there is no anthropocence and only global warning, no surprise for someone who apparently thought of the term anthropocene around 1980 independendly. but technically wrong, global warming is not by far the most outstanding characteristic of anthropocene geology. perhaps extinctions are, the rate of extinctions compared to background is higher than the high number in the article. even if adaptions as blind shrimp though toxins are considered "evolution". thus pollution is, and probably the best date is when pcb's and dioxins become common. or even measurable in the sediments. somewhere around 1920. another thing would be when humans started the big burning, some 100k years ago and more or the evolving of cattle raising, that shaped a geological phenomenon (sahara) and may possibly be reconstructed millions of years from now still. (after all we are gone then and the desert might return to green, but i don;t think so, we are the last life on the planet. probably future alien observers will call it the terminal phase of the mortocene 08:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)~

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Reference suggestion at the 2.4 Geomorphology section

Dear all, i noted that in the section "2.4 Geomorphology" the references are missed. There are two references that are pertinent, and that should be provided there. Both are "review papers" published in the journals Geomorphology and Earth Surface Processes and Landforms. The references are:

Tarolli, P., Sofia G. (2016). Human topographic signatures and derived geomorphic processes across landscapes, Geomorphology, 255, 140-161, doi:10.1016/j.geomorph.2015.12.007 (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169555X15302282) (this is an invited review paper). This reference should be provided after "This includes the paths of roads and highways defined by their grading and drainage control".

Brown, A.G., Tooth, S., Bullard, J.E., Thomas, D S.G., Chiverrell, R.C., Plater, A.J., Murton, J., Thorndycraft, V.R., Tarolli, P., Rose, J., Wainwright, J., Downs, P., Aalto, R. (2017). The Geomorphology of The Anthropocene: Emergence, Status and Implications, Earth Surface Processes and Landforms, 42, 71-90, doi:10.1002/esp.3943 (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/esp.3943/abstract). This reference should be provided after "Direct changes to the form of the Earth's surface by human activities (e.g., quarrying, landscaping) also record human impacts."

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Just adding a note here since EarthSurfSoc forgot to mention that they are one of the authors. - MrOllie (talk) 23:07, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying; EarthSurfSoc is one of the authors of the two suggested references.

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Degenerative societies.

There is nothing new about degenerative societies. Why would you want to call that the New Human? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.37.159.51 (talk) 01:04, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hitting the news?

I noticed this term in the news and wondered if there was progress we could use to update the article? Search Google News for Anthropocene Tayste (edits) 20:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Split Holocene into three distinct subsections?

Re these changes I don't see why they're so relevant to this article. Splitting the Holocene into geological divisions has very little relevance William M. Connolley (talk) 15:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the text about subdivisions of the Holocene is of little relevance to this Anthropocene article (because the subvisions of the Holocene have not been put into context for the Anthropocene). If the Holocene and its subdivisions are to be mentioned in e.g. the lead section of this Anthropocene article, I think that their relevance to the Anthropocene would have to be much more explicit, instead of the context-less statements that have been added/removed in the past few days. GeoWriter (talk) 09:55, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anthropocene

Why is the section for "Nocturnality" important and what are the goals for this section? ~~MCKENZIE MUNGAI 2/22/2019~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memungai (talk • contribs) 17:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Exact dating

Although the decision has yet to be made on this point - as the article indicates there is a lot of debate - when they finally settle on a start date for the Anthropocene, it's looking to be at minimum a direct calendar year (i.e. 1950), or even an exact month, day and hour if an event such as the Trinity test is chosen. Would it be worth noting in the article that this will make the Anthropocene the first and only epoch for which an exact start time is known? (By extension, this would make the Holocene the first and only with an explicit end time known.) 136.159.160.122 (talk) 19:19, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If it happens like that, it will be. But until it does, it is a detail. So (IMO anyway), yes but not yet, --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Improving the Articles Objectivity

Hi Everyone,

The article uses neutral language, emphasizes facts, and gives coverage to the breadth of perspectives about when the Anthropocene Epoch should be dated. However, the objectivity of the article could be enhanced by including any opposing viewpoints.

Here is a source that questions the naming of the Anthropocene Epoch. Link --Mikabella95 (talk) 00:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this, and I'm not sure about using the Aeon article listed, but I've added a few articles that question the Epoch's name in the "Humanities" section. Moore and Haraway's "Capitalocene" is a popular one, and Haraway/Edge Effects Magazine's "Plantationocene" has been getting some play recently. Further, there's a lot of argument from scholars in a few fields regarding the colonization of the Americas, beyond just Maslin and Lewis' paper and book, which I've added there.
I think incorporating these humanities sources into the body of the page instead of listing them under "Humanities" might help. These are important academic conversations about the Epoch and environmental degradation, and constitute current scholarly discussion about the Anthropocene, so I think they deserve attention alongside other ideas in page's body as opposed to the small section "Humanities" under the "in culture" section of the page.
They have more in common with the AWG and Lewis and Maslin, and even more currency than Ruddiman, I'd say, than they do that Nick Mulvey album they're currently listed with (which I'm skeptical should even be listed). Hobomok (talk) 17:25, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm coming in later, but looking over and evaluating the article, I do agree there could be more attention given to opposing viewpoints, such as the following by conservationist Dave Foreman, who discusses the topic here --CassiopeiaDream (talk) 10:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I recommend against adding anything from Dave Foreman given his history of racism. There are critiques of the Anthropocene from notable academics beyond someone like Foreman that could be added to the page. —Hobomok (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article Terminology

@Impartial: Well I seem to be entering the chat four months late but the wikipedia pages use more neutral terms than "anthropocene", why are we using anthropocene links rather than just "climate change" and "Holocene extinction"? First you say it's a "misleading edit summary", but while I assumed good faith, it now seems like that was a pretext for your preferred version of the text based on your immediate re-reversion of my extremely mild line edits. Ogress 17:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why should the article on the Anthropocene not use the term Anthropocene in its section headings? Reliable sources on the topic use the term, and also use "anthropogenic", which is other term you expunged. And your edit summary was "grammar" - at best irrelevant to the edit you made.
If there is a consensus for these changes, then all is well, but it definitely was not an appropriate drive-by edit without a summary. Newimpartial (talk) 17:29, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My edit summary criticism isn't being argued here. But I was editing the {{main}} links, which on Wikipedia are Global warming and Holocene extinction. I didn't "expunge" them; I simply linked directly to the main article, which I understand is the MOS for the usage of {{main}}. I didn't remove anthropogene from the text, this was literally {{main|Global warming|Holocene extinction}} in place of the redirects present in {{main|Anthropogenic climate change|Anthropocene extinction}}. I've got no ax to grind; this is just "when it says 'see the main article X', we should probably actually be linking to the main article". Also, the bit about the ice age was just to clarify what was a weirdly constructed bit about the ice age cycles. Ogress 18:46, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what you think you did, but what you actually did was change the way the page reads, so that the links read with the article titles rather than the redirects that use the language of this article. If the MOS mandates that sort of thing, I am certainly unaware of that mandate and tend to disagree. Newimpartial (talk) 19:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I moved this discussion to a new section, as I do not think it fits with the conversation above. For what it's worth, that conversation still stands. --Hobomok (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

The Oxford English Dictionary, Merriam-Webster and Wiktionary both have the word "Anthropocene" as being stressed on the first syllable (not the second). Shouldn't we change the pronunciation here to reflection better sourced dictionaries than Dictionary.com or at give preference to the more common pronunciations? Mikeopoe (talk) 04:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Make a Disambiguation Page for Anthropocene

Hi, i would like to inform you, that i've been searching "Anthropocene" at the English Wikipedia, and i found so many pages that are Anthropocene-related. Can you please make a disambiguation page for it? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealLTG (talk • contribs) 20:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of figures to back up information

I found this article very informative but would care to see some more pictorial representations of the data or information to show the differences between the Anthropocene and past eras. John.waswill (talk) 21:53, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Globalism

Added sources regarding globalism and its impact on the environment. Also added 'controversy' in bold due to lack of consensus on Anthropocene. Mggale (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 04:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Our other article called Human Impact on the Environment

FYI, I have not decided whether to propose a merge from the other article into this one. If you have comments please add them at the other thread located here. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Temporal Marker: Antiquity

Is this a necessary subsection? It looks like Original Research to me. None of the cited sources are directly claiming that "Antiquity" be a starting point for the epoch, some of the sources are strange here (Khan Academy?), and I have not seen it in any Anthropocene debate to date like I have others (Early Anth, Colonization of the Americas, Industrial Rev., Great Accl.). Those four seem to be the ones that matter and are part of the debate across fields currently. Perhaps it should be removed?--Hobomok (talk) 21:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2053019618756682 2601:405:4A80:B950:4017:B60:6021:81FE (talk) 20:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is one article. The removed discussion also draws from Khan Academy rather than other journal articles. Note that other proposed start dates represented on the page have multiple citations to support that these are major discussions. These other proposed start dates (Neolithic farming, colonization of the Americas, industrialization, Great Acceleration) are also the main ones referred to in current debate over whether or not to study the Anthropocene as an unfolding geologic event.--Hobomok (talk) 18:10, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Study Spam in Culture Section

Might make a pass at trying to clean up the article’s culture section. There are a LOT of people quoted and a LOT of studies drawn from, and at this point it seems to be largely new/single-purpose accounts adding studies that those accounts may or may not be affiliated with. Thoughts?—Hobomok (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed further reading list

I've removed the further reading list, as I don't think such a long list is adding any value here. If any of the publications are very important, they should be used for inline citations.

EMsmile (talk) 08:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are already (as of this writing) 178 reference footnotes, which IMHO is a lot. I notice that the above list is almost alphabetized by author's name (but Ozymandias in the Anthropocene by Dixon et al. is mentioned both at its alphabetical position and at the very end, and Klinkenborg is after Visconti). Maybe this list could be added as a "Bibliography" section, and in a common format with the author name(s) (if any) always in front. I would have suggested a scrolling list (see Help:Scrolling list) with a not too gigantic height (maybe 25 to 30 em), however MOS:SCROLL is against scrolling and collapsible lists in article space — though with a few exceptions: Collapsed or auto-collapsing cells or sections may be used with tables if they simply repeat information covered in the main text (or are purely supplementary, e.g…). Auto-collapsing is often a feature of navboxes. Maybe this list is "purely supplementary information" in which case it might fall into one of the exceptions. — Tonymec (talk) 03:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What would be an advantage of a bibliography list? If any of those references are important they should be used as in-line citations. I think "further reading" lists might have been important in the days before Google but nowadays anyone can easily find more information themselves if they want. Hence we are better off keeping things short and succinct and not bombarding readers with longs lists (which would then have to be curated and updated...). EMsmile (talk) 08:45, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Need better image in the lead

The current image for the lead showing light pollution is not really suitable for the lead image. Can someone propose a better one? Should we go for a 2 x 2 collage like at climate change mitigation? EMsmile (talk) 09:07, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed content about kleptocene

I have taken this out because it's digressing and not WP:DUE here. It would be very much a minority view to say that the anthropocene started that early. At the most, this could be condensed into two sentences. But overall, I don't think we need it. Likely a student addition at some point.

European colonization of the Americas:

Professor of Earth System Science Mark Maslin and Professor of Global Change Science Simon L. Lewis argue that the start of the Anthropocene should be dated to the Orbis Spike, a trough in carbon dioxide levels associated with the arrival of Europeans in the Americas. Reaching a minimum around 1610, global carbon dioxide levels were depressed below 285 parts per million, largely as a result of sequestration due to forest regrowth in the Americas. This was likely caused by indigenous peoples abandoning farmland following a sharp population decline due to initial contact with European diseases – around 50 million people or 90% of the indigenous population may have succumbed. For Maslin and Lewis, the Orbis Spike represents a GSSP, a kind of marker used to define the start of a new geological period. They also go on to say that associating the Anthropocene to European arrival in the Americas makes sense given that the continent's colonization was instrumental in the development of global trade networks and the capitalist economy, which played a significant role in initiating the Industrial Revolution and the Great Acceleration.[1][2]


A number of other anthropologists, geographers, and postcolonial, settler colonial, and Indigenous theorists, including Métis anthropologist Zoe Todd and Potawatomi philosopher Kyle Powys Whyte have also linked the Anthropocene to the rise of European colonialism.[3][4][5][2][6][7][8] Because of these arguments, it has been suggested that the epoch should instead be called "The Kleptocene" to call "attention to colonialism's ongoing theft of land, lives (both human and nonhuman), and materials" that are "in large part responsible for contemporary ecological crisis."[9][10][11] EMsmile (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Lewis, Simon L. (7 June 2018). Human planet : how we created the anthropocene. Maslin, Mark A. UK. ISBN 9780241280881. OCLC 1038430807.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)
  2. ^ a b Maslin, Mark; Lewis, Simon (25 June 2020). "Why the Anthropocene began with European colonisation, mass slavery and the 'great dying' of the 16th century". The Conversation. Retrieved 25 July 2020.
  3. ^ Kotzé, Louis J. (1 March 2019). "Editorial: Coloniality, neoliberalism and the Anthropocene". Journal of Human Rights and the Environment. 10 (1): 1–6. doi:10.4337/jhre.2019.01.00. ISSN 1759-7188.
  4. ^ DeLoughrey, Elizabeth M. (June 2019). Allegories of the Anthropocene. Durham: Duke University Press. ISBN 978-1-4780-0558-2. OCLC 1081380012.
  5. ^ Lightfoot, Kent G.; Panich, Lee M.; Schneider, Tsim D.; Gonzalez, Sara L. (1 December 2013). "European colonialism and the Anthropocene: A view from the Pacific Coast of North America". Anthropocene. When Humans Dominated the Earth: Archeological Perspectives on the Anthropocene. 4: 101–115. Bibcode:2013Anthr...4..101L. doi:10.1016/j.ancene.2013.09.002. ISSN 2213-3054.
  6. ^ Baldwin, Andrew; Erickson, Bruce (1 February 2020). "Introduction: Whiteness, coloniality, and the Anthropocene" (PDF). Environment and Planning D: Society and Space. 38 (1): 3–11. doi:10.1177/0263775820904485. ISSN 0263-7758. S2CID 213839818.
  7. ^ Davis, Heather; Todd, Zoe (20 December 2017). "On the Importance of a Date, or, Decolonizing the Anthropocene". ACME: An International Journal for Critical Geographies. 16 (4): 761–780. ISSN 1492-9732.
  8. ^ Whyte, Kyle (2016). "Is it Colonial DéJà Vu? Indigenous Peoples and Climate Injustice". In Adamson, Joni (ed.). Humanities for the Environment: Integrating Knowledges, Forging New Constellations of Practice. Routledge. pp. 88–104. doi:10.2139/ssrn.2925277. SSRN 2925277.
  9. ^ Keeler, Kyle (8 September 2020). "Colonial Theft and Indigenous Resistance in the Kleptocene". Edge Effects Magazine. Retrieved 16 September 2020.
  10. ^ Guernsey, Paul (2022). "The infrastructures of White settler perception: A political phenomenology of colonialism, genocide, ecocide, and emergency". Environment and Planning E: Nature and Space. 5 (2): 588–604. doi:10.1177/2514848621996577. ISSN 2514-8494. S2CID 233890511.
  11. ^ del Valle Schorske, Carina (11 March 2022). "A New, Stealthy Kind of Protest Music". The New York Times Magazine. Retrieved 11 June 2022.

EMsmile (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

maybe this text block could be integrated into Early anthropocene rather. EMsmile (talk) 09:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Culling out excessive detail on biodiversity loss

I've taken out this long paragraph that goes into too much detail. We have a sub-article for this on biodiversity loss. I guess the content could be moved to there if it's not already in there. I think we are better off with using an excerpt from biodiversity loss. Pinging User:C.J. Griffin and User:ASRASR for their information and comment.

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In a pair of studies published in 2015, extrapolation from observed extinction of Hawaiian snails of the family Amastridae, led to the conclusion that "the biodiversity crisis is real", and that 7% of all species on Earth may have disappeared already.[1][2] Human predation was noted as being unique in the history of life on Earth as being a globally distributed 'superpredator', with predation of the adults of other apex predators and with widespread impact on food webs worldwide.[3] A study published in May 2017 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences noted that a "biological annihilation" akin to a sixth mass extinction event is underway as a result of anthropogenic causes. The study suggested that as much as 50% of animal individuals that once lived on Earth are already extinct.[4][5] A different study published in PNAS in May 2018 says that since the dawn of human civilization, 83% of wild mammals have disappeared. Today, livestock makes up 60% of the biomass of all mammals on earth, followed by humans (36%) and wild mammals (4%).[6][7] According to the 2019 Global Assessment Report on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services by IPBES, 25% of plant and animal species are threatened with extinction.[8][9][10] According to the World Wildlife Fund's 2020 Living Planet Report, 68% of wildlife populations have declined between 1970 and 2016 as a result of overconsumption, population growth and intensive farming, and the report asserts that "the findings are clear. Our relationship with nature is broken."[11][12] However, a 2020 study, by Leung et al. including Maria Dornelas, disputed the findings of the Living Planet Report, finding that the 68% decline number was being influenced down by a very small amount extreme outliers and when these were not included, the decline was less steep, or even stable if other outliers were not included.[13] A 2021 paper published in Frontiers in Conservation Science, which cites both of the aforementioned studies, says "population sizes of vertebrate species that have been monitored across years have declined by an average of 68% over the last five decades, with certain population clusters in extreme decline, thus presaging the imminent extinction of their species."[14] EMsmile (talk) 09:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Research shows catastrophic invertebrate extinction in Hawai'i and globally". Phys.org. 10 August 2015. Retrieved 29 November 2015.
  2. ^ Régnier, Claire; Achaz, Guillaume; Lambert, Amaury; Cowie, Robert H.; Bouchet, Philippe & Fontaine, Benoît (5 May 2015). "Mass extinction in poorly known taxa". PNAS. 112 (25): 7761–7766. Bibcode:2015PNAS..112.7761R. doi:10.1073/pnas.1502350112. PMC 4485135. PMID 26056308.
  3. ^ Darimont, Chris T.; Fox, Caroline H.; Bryan, Heather M.; Reimchen, Thomas E. (21 August 2015). "The unique ecology of human predators". Science. 349 (6250): 858–860. Bibcode:2015Sci...349..858D. doi:10.1126/science.aac4249. ISSN 0036-8075. PMID 26293961. S2CID 4985359.
  4. ^ Ceballos, Gerardo; Ehrlich, Paul R; Dirzo, Rodolfo (23 May 2017). "Biological annihilation via the ongoing sixth mass extinction signaled by vertebrate population losses and declines". PNAS. 114 (30): E6089–E6096. Bibcode:2017PNAS..114E6089C. doi:10.1073/pnas.1704949114. PMC 5544311. PMID 28696295. Much less frequently mentioned are, however, the ultimate drivers of those immediate causes of biotic destruction, namely, human overpopulation and continued population growth, and overconsumption, especially by the rich. These drivers, all of which trace to the fiction that perpetual growth can occur on a finite planet, are themselves increasing rapidly.
  5. ^ Sutter, John D. (11 July 2017). "Sixth mass extinction: The era of 'biological annihilation'". CNN. Retrieved 14 July 2017.
  6. ^ Carrington, Damian (21 May 2018). "Humans just 0.01% of all life but have destroyed 83% of wild mammals – study". The Guardian. Retrieved 23 May 2018.
  7. ^ Baillie, Jonathan; Ya-Ping, Zhang (14 September 2018). "Space for nature". Science. 361 (6407): 1051. Bibcode:2018Sci...361.1051B. doi:10.1126/science.aau1397. PMID 30213888.
  8. ^ Watts, Jonathan (6 May 2019). "Human society under urgent threat from loss of Earth's natural life". The Guardian. Retrieved 10 May 2019.
  9. ^ Plumer, Brad (6 May 2019). "Humans are speeding extinction and altering the natural world at an 'unprecedented' pace". The New York Times. Retrieved 10 May 2019.
  10. ^ "Nature's dangerous decline 'unprecedented'; Species extinction rates 'accelerating'". Media Release. Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services. 6 May 2019. Retrieved 10 May 2019.
  11. ^ Greenfield, Patrick (9 September 2020). "Humans exploiting and destroying nature on unprecedented scale – report". The Guardian. Retrieved 10 September 2020.
  12. ^ Rott, Nathan (10 September 2020). "The World Lost Two-Thirds Of Its Wildlife In 50 Years. We Are to Blame". NPR. Retrieved 11 September 2020.
  13. ^ Leung, Brian; Hargreaves, Anna L.; Greenberg, Dan A.; McGill, Brian; Dornelas, Maria; Freeman, Robin (December 2020). "Clustered versus catastrophic global vertebrate declines". Nature. 588 (7837): 267–271. Bibcode:2020Natur.588..267L. doi:10.1038/s41586-020-2920-6. hdl:10023/23213. ISSN 1476-4687. PMID 33208939. S2CID 227065128.
  14. ^ Bradshaw, Corey J. A.; Ehrlich, Paul R.; Beattie, Andrew; Ceballos, Gerardo; Crist, Eileen; Diamond, Joan; Dirzo, Rodolfo; Ehrlich, Anne H.; Harte, John; Harte, Mary Ellen; Pyke, Graham; Raven, Peter H.; Ripple, William J.; Saltré, Frédérik; Turnbull, Christine; Wackernagel, Mathis; Blumstein, Daniel T. (2021). "Underestimating the Challenges of Avoiding a Ghastly Future". Frontiers in Conservation Science. 1. doi:10.3389/fcosc.2020.615419.

EMsmile (talk) 09:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with that. I think most of this is already present in that article.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 12:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some culling and condensing (Sept 2023)

I've just done some edits on this article. My approach is that this article is better off short and snappy, rather than going into excessive details for topics that have good sub-articles, such as biodiversity loss and climate change. Some of the content in the section on debates needs further trimming: one can see that this article has been the subject of numerous student assignments... Parts of is are written more like an essay or academic literature review than an encyclopedic entry. EMsmile (talk) 09:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's all, folks!

And so the proposed era has been put in the rubbish bin: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/20/climate/anthropocene-vote-upheld.html 182.239.146.143 (talk) 05:02, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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