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Introduction to Discussion Forum

As some are getting a little confussed about where to go for General Project Wide discussions, and as other projects, (including the WikiProject style guide include a forum like this) I have established this for General discussion.

It should be used for anything project wide, and try to use the individual page talk pages for anything specific to that page. i.e. smaller issues.

Also announcements to the wider project user base perhaps should be made here. Not quite a one stop shop, but close.

Enjoy :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)} 09:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions

crediting translators and making the basis of the article more transparent

Hi, I noticed that translation credits are dealt with inconsistently in the project's articles. For example, while the article on the English translation of Italo Calvino's novel "Il sentiero dei nidi di ragno" (The Path to the Nests of Spiders) credits the translator in a box on the right, this is not the case with articles on other translations of Calvino's novels, for example, "If on a winter's night a traveller."

Many of Calvino's novels have been translated into English by William Weaver but by no means all of them. For one thing, this is a question of translators' recognition. For another, if the author of a wikipedia article discusses a novel with regard to its style, tone, atmosphere etc. and bases his review on a translation, then he is analysing and describing the text of the translator, not Calvino's. Not referring explicitly to the translated text is misguiding; it sounds as if the article is based on the original Italian text when the main source of the article is not being made transparent. In many cases, I venture, the reviewer of the English text is in no position to judge the original text.

My suggestion is to deal with this issue centrally, i.e by adding translation credits, that is, a clear naming of an article's basis to the project guidelines. It would be far too much work to go to each article seperately and edit the translator in, and in many cases only the article's author knows which translation of the original he read and then wrote about. This probably applies to similar English language wikipedia projects on poetry, film, non-fiction and other genres.

Let me know what you think, Cheers Handlore (talk) 11:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kenneth Oppel Task Force

Hello. :P I'm new to WikiProject Novels, and was introduced to it mainly through editing Starclimber. Since it sounded like something off the back cover, I wanted to make it better but realized that no one else but me (excluding bot work) appeared to be working on it as of mid-April 2009. I also checked up on some of Oppel's other books, which were all pretty much Start-Class. So, my question is: Should we create a Kenneth Oppel Task Force? If it has been suggested before, what was used to refute the creation of one? If we do create one, it would support the Silverwing and Matt Cruse series, the character pages for the Silverwing and Matt Cruse series, and Kenneth Oppel. Clem (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Such Task Forces need sufficient support to allow them to work so drum up some support amongst other editors, perhaps here and we'll see if such a thing is viable. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a good idea. I had not heard of Oppel before this and I think that this would be great to promote his work and open up a new experience for readers looking for something to read. Gloryify (talk) 09:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds right up my alley. I'd be willing to jump on board if a task force is created. Sabiona (talk) 12:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since now it seems like we have a bit of support I should mention this page I created about a month ago. It's a bit empty at the moment but if we can get enough supporters it should work out. Clem (talk) 04:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Novels Collaboration

This months collaboration will be The Tin Drum. I made an executive decision choosing it. It occurred mainly because the Project seemed to be failing a bit, so with the help of The Ed17 there will be a new newsletter out shortly, as there has been little to no voting in the collaboration section of the Project, we choose an article which was of a low class, and needed improving, and one which had previously been nominated. Alan16 (talk) 00:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment of Erast Fandorin

I am conducting a reassessment as part of the GA sweeps process. I have found come concerns which need addressing if this article is to keep its GA status, which may be found at Talk:Erast Fandorin/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA reassessment of Live and Let Die (novel)

I am conducting a review of this article as part of the GA Sweeps process. There are several concerns which have been left at Talk:Live_and_Let_Die_(novel)/GA1, which need to be addressed if the article is to retain GA status. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA reassessment of The Man with the Golden Gun (novel)

I am conducting a review of this article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have delisted the article. There are several concerns which have been left at Talk:The Man with the Golden Gun (novel)/GA1, which need to be addressed if the article is to regain GA status. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA reassessment of Ramona

I have conducted a reassessment of this article as part of the GA Sweeps process and have de-listed it as there are a number of issues which need attention. Details may be found at Talk:Ramona/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have started editing, but I need someone who has actually read the book to finish up. Comments at the novel talk page. Norwaystudent (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator Election

Voting has now opened. There are three candidates. Add support to the candidate of your choice. Alan16 (talk) 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His Dark Materials Task Force

This newly created TF is dead. All interested persons are encouraged to work on it. Pmlin editor 13:01, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the problem of Task forces / project with little initial support or impetus. I suggest a bit of advertising might help here. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Warriors (novel series)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books
There is a large number of articles in the Warriors (novel series) series of books which have no reliable sources. Just click on each of the linked titles in the template at the bottom of the novel series article, and you can see that every one of those books relies entirely on self-published sources or interviews with the author(s). What should be done about this? Merge everything together into one article that has sources? Start removing unsourced information, leaving nothing but stubs? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 18:27, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What should happen is interested editors provide better sources. Come on guys step up to the mark. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:13, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some targets for the next year

The WikiProject coordinator elections are halfway and I would like to set few targets for us for the upcoming year. We currently have 22223 articles of which 70% or 15898 are stubs. A realistic target would be reducing this to 10000 via expansion or deletion (where applicable). We have only 26 FAs which I would like to see standing and 35 by next year and the FL at 10. I would also take this opportunity to usher users to make List of Percy Jackson and the Olympians characters a Featured List. I would like to see 75 GAs and 1000 B class articles. We should also look to create a list such as "Articles in focus" which all the members will be ushered to edit for the month they are in focus. Also, I look forward to several more members and 2-3 more TFs. Regards, Pmlin editor 14:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Good idea, it has been said "if you don't aim at anything, you are sure to hit your target". I am unsure that "1000 B class articles" is do-able. Needs to be something that is atleast conceptually possible and that I see as one step too far. Go basis though, we do need to rack up the activity level from everyone. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 15:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? We need only 58 more articles in 52 weeks. If we work hard, it should be doable. :) Pmlin editor 15:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "Articles in focus" sounds a lot like a "Collaboration of the Week/Month" or Wikipedia:Spotlight. I don't think either of those are good mechanisms for this project at this time because they are both centralized efforts depedendant upon a critical mass which this project currently doesn't have. Wikipedians are very much decentralized, working on random items as it suits them. Even if you were continually successful in herding the cats each week/month to work on one article at a time, you would only get an additional B-class article every week/month - an enormous effort for little gain and not much satisfaction. And don't worry about stubs - it is a perpetually expanding category with several articles added each day (and publishers are not about to stop publishing novels any time soon). --maclean 17:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Non-fiction

So non-fiction don't belong under this project - fine, but where do they belong, then? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:35, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume as you are posting here that you mean some form of non-fiction book, or literature. So I would got to Wikipedia:WikiProject Books or Wikipedia:WikiProject Literature and see if they have the scope to cover it. Otherwise you need to think about the medium of the non-ficiton. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 16:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Erikson's Gardens of the Moon

Today I've copy edited and cleaned up Steven Erikson and have added this section to the Gardens of the Moon article. In my view the rest of the plot summary is overdone, and needs to be edited down considerably. Is it a problem if I hack away at this article? Input welcome. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see what you mean - by all means go ahead. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've found as many sources as possible, added them, and rewritten a bit. The bulk of the article is not sourced and a rehash of the plot. I don't want to step on toes of other editors, but I'd like to delete any text not sourced. Does your comment above support deletions of all unsourced text? Cheers. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I Love You, Beth Cooper

Recently started I Love You, Beth Cooper (which was about the movie (!) before I moved that page), and could use some help if anyone has read it. Thanks. --Cybercobra (talk) 00:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

images

FYI, a bunch of novel cover images have recently been nominated at WP:FFD for deletion. 76.66.192.64 (talk) 05:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

audio books?

Is there a policy wrt mentioning the existence and readers of audiobook versions of novels? Mcnattyp (talk) 06:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Readers of audio books - there's and interesting concept surely they are "listeners to audiobooks". No no prolice although they are included in Publication histories sometimes. What do you think / propose. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Oregon Files

I was looking through the pages about the books in the Oregon Files and realized that all 6 are Stub-Class. I was just wondering if anyone was up to helping expand and improve them as I have very limited time and would love the books to be presented well. Seeing as I'm fairly new I would really love if some other more experienced editors could get involved and through some ideas around. Gloryify (talk) 10:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, set to work on one and let me know and I do what I can. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 13:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They're good books. I'll help where I can. Alan16 (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'll also be pleased to help. Pmlin editor 15:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have been doing a lot of work on the pages The Oregon Files, and Golden Buddha on my talk page and I was wondering if anyone could check/improve my work. I was also wondering if listing China as an antagonist in Golden Buddha was okay or if it was too racily discriminative and if I should change it to focus on the characters and time of the novel. Thanks for your anticipated help and support Gloryify (talk) 02:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Collaboration

Due to a lack of interest in the Collaboration page I had to choose the months collaboration once again. Therefore I choose The Oregon Files because four editors have expressed interest in it here. Alan16 (talk) 10:35, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Is there a place to note active AfDs related to the Project, or are we assuming that interested parties will check the listings? I was just looking for some participation at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretty Little Liars (novel). Thanks! — TAnthony^Talk 05:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Disputed novel articles would be the place. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]