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American

well, someone reverted the move. Could I get a little back-up, please? I definitely believe that "American" means "of the United States", but there's a ton of people who are very, very sensitive about this. (In the meantime, it might not be a bad idea to move American back over to American (disambiguation), but keep the redirect pointing to American (disambiguation), so anyone with a desire to change it back can do it easily.) Thanks (and thanks for your note of support on my talk page)! Matt Yeager 20:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RfC about Verifiability and Reliable Sources

Please check out and comment on the Rfc filed against me for trying to have National Bolshevik Part libel about me removed. Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/69.253.195.228

I'll check it out tomorrow. In the mean time, I recommend you make no other edits to the eXile. Perhaps you could make your version of the article at the eXile/temp1, and then discuss the changes at Talk:the eXile before updating the actual article the eXile.--Commander Keane 14:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re: Harry Kewell cleanup

Commander Keane (always loved your username), I apologise that I was too lazy to write a list of cleanup tasks for the Kewell article. It's done now, but I simply won't have time to edit it for a couple of weeks at least so need to hand off on this one. Cheers Donama 00:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Offline Live Preview

Sverdrup made an offline version of Live Preview a while back, here's the link: [1] (save it as livepreview.html). Hope it's not too late. Pilaf 02:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch Gold

What exactly did you change? And dare I say that you may have been oversteping the mark, a Western Aussie, meddling with a drink you've never heard of?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayteecork (talk • contribs) . (UTC)

Pepper

Hi Commander! I'm pinging you regarding this [2], since you were the one who changed Pepper to not be a disambiguation page. I feel pretty strongly it should go back to being one, but I'd like your input before I do it. (If you're wondering why the heck I care, it's mostly because I just got Black pepper featured.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Julian year

The bot is underway. As for adminship, thanks very much for asking. It's good to know that someone has at least noticed the work I'm doing. But I think I'll decline for now. Maybe in a couple of months I'll reconsider, but I'm not sure it's worth the hassle or whether I can rein in my occasional snideness enough to avoid getting into edit wars.  :-) --Russ Blau (talk) 16:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FALSE page move

I have responded. Thanks for your help with this. -Ethan (talk) 07:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New Dab Collaboration

I cleaned up the Classical music dab page a bit in case you want to choose it next. Cheers! Thaagenson 15:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "secondary school"

Secondary school should be a disambiguation. Middle school is sometimes thought to be "Secondary education". And in some countries and areas a school can be called a "secondary school" while it would never be called a "high school". 69.151.232.31 17:28, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

When I found it, the disambiguation page looked like this: [3]. This isn't a disambiguation page, because it's not disambiguating anything - it all points to High school. Could you give me some examples where "called a "secondary school" while it would never be called a "high school".". Cheers, --Commander Keane 17:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
According to Secondary_education (yeah, I'm 69.151 as I forgot to sign in!)..
  • Secondary school is only used in Hong Kong
  • Secondary school is only used in India

Also in some countries "high school" is an informal usage for secondary school.

See, there was a third disambig link... "secondary education in general". WhisperToMe 17:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm saying that in India secondary school is never referred to as "high school" as far as I know. (EDIT: There is one Jesuit facility in India that is called "High School". There is also a "Bahai High School" but it has both primary and secondary education. WhisperToMe 18:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

here's a message for you

Try hard to understand that there are more things under the sun than exist in your philosophies. If a phenomenon appears in the literature of numerous cultures across numerous historical periods, then perhaps it exists.— Preceding unsigned comment added by naif (talk • contribs) . (UTC)

No, no, not a bug; just a fairly well-hidden feature.  :-) When you run solve_disambiguation.py, the default settings will load only the first 500 references, and then tell you how many of those are in the Main namespace. You can override this by editing your user-config.py and adding a line that says special_page_limit = 1000 or whatever; however, be aware that the MediaWiki software won't recognize any value greater than 5000. (Remember back in September when "American" and "Album" were both over 5000?) Doing this will slow down the page loading, of course, so I don't like to keep it set permanently at a high value, but just edit it temporarily when I want to check a link count or something and then change it back. --Russ Blau (talk) 13:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info Russ. Interesting. Why then was RussBot changing Native American to Native Americans. I thought that had something to do with redirects causing trouble.--Commander Keane 13:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

That's another level of complexity. As you probably know, when you load Special:Whatlinkshere/Foo, you get X number of direct links, plus any links to redirect pages that appear on the list. So if your special_page_limit is 500, you might get 500 links or more, depending on how many redirects there are. MediaWiki has a bug, or at least an undocumented limitation, though: if one of those redirect pages has more than 500 incoming links, you will only get the first 500 of them, regardless of what special_page_limit is (the limitation is in the server, not in the bot software). That's why it's very difficult to correctly count links to a page like Native Americans when there is a redirect like Native American that has (used to have) more than 500 references to it. It can still be done, but it's a lot slower, because you have to load each of the redirect pages and count their incoming links separately. --Russ Blau (talk) 22:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for for contribution to WP:DPL, it is much appreciated! I was thinking about expanding Diurnal into an article (about daily occurences). How many links were there (in the 50 or so you went through) that would benefit from an article? --Commander Keane 04:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I focused on articles about diurnal animals, redirecting them to diurnal animal. All 50 of them would benefit greatly from a diurnal animal article. I toyed around with the idea and did some reading -- turns out to be an interesting (fascinating) but complicated subject. When you're awake impacts your eyes, obviously, but in ways I didn't think of, for example how color is perceived or whether it is perceived at all. If you decide to proceed with diurnal alone or as it pertains to animals or meterology, let me know if I can do anything to help. --Bad carpet 16:44, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine with those 50 references, a full (or at least the making of one) article at Diurnal aninal would be good (this is where the eye info would go, yes?). I was thinking about putting phenomena like diurnal rivers and the dirunal nature of geomagnetism at Diurnal, but maybe Diurnal should remain a disambiguation page, with the river/magnetism info going into something like Dirunal (???). I can't think of anything appropriate for the "???" at the moment, can you help me out with that.--Commander Keane 17:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Even with 50 complete there are still many left to do, too. The vast majority of of ambig links to diurnal are in fact links meant for diurnal animal. I agree that diurnal should remain general and specific instances given their own article. I'm not familiar with diurnal nature of geomagnetism or rivers. Perhaps an article just called diurnal geomagnetism? From the diurnal page I also learned of the term diel. --Bad carpet 18:01, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Landslide victory for mudflow discussion

I'm just leaving a message because you like messages. And go antipodean civil engineering! I'm more an environmental engineer plus geomorphologist, and added to your discussion as such. Cheers, Daniel Collins 05:00, 26 November 2005 (UTC).[reply]

Don't know from bots, but...

Mostly just writing to say hi, since you said you like that (I saw your bot at work moving the peppers around). I'm a bit more recent to wiki, but am doing a bit of disambiguation of my own, and thought you'd get a kick out of the page: List_of_plants_by_common_name. Mostly "country names" from the Northeastern North America... I suppose there must be plenty of wild plant names in your neck of the world too?

MoS: article titles

About these Jewish lists you have recently created, in Wikipedia we only capitalize proper nouns in article titles (Wikipedia:Naming conventions), so List of Jewish American Politicians should be moved to List of Jewish American politicians. I'll help you out if you don't know how to move articles.--Commander Keane 08:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up; I've had about all I can take with those pages and it was enough work to split them all up the first time around, so feel free to take care of it yourself or enlist the help of others. Thanks again, wasn't aware of the style guideline. Peyna 13:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

fancy math formatting

(responding to Talk:Catenary)

Help:Formula shows how to do all that fancy math formatting. But please feel free to keep adding actual content to articles, letting other people pretty it up. --DavidCary 16:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

overwrites and wp:dfl

No worries. I wish there was some way to know what other people were doing at that moment. Some day wiki might be more like gobby or subetha edit. I think that will be cool. Keep up the good work! Tedernst 19:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've been doing it by hand. I like your page User:Commander Keane/Disambiguation/Link repair current very much. And I agree with you about bloating the history. Excellent! Tedernst 16:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, didn't know that about the links. So all of my totals have been too high, because they include all namespaces. I'll stop updating the totals manually and just try to keep track of how many I do and will note when I do a significant number. Thanks! Tedernst 00:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

your bot messed up

it just changed [4] sculptor to sculptor... what if some day the two articles (sculpture and sculptor) are split? Then we'll have the wrong link. I'm reverting it, and I think it's a bad idea to boot. Sbwoodside 01:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Township

What is the point of replacing the links to Township with Township (disambiguation)? The latter is just a redirect to the former.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 20:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. I don't recall this policy, but don't waste your time digging it out for me, if you are really sure. I basically just wanted to make sure this is not a bug in your bot. Take care.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 20:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking time to clarify this for me. I was not aware of this guideline. Learned something today :)—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 20:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your bot did an edit in Las Vegas, Nevada adding the word Township next to Paradise. For your information, the area of Paradise is NOT actually a Township it is an unincorporated area of Clark County, Nevada which is governed directly by the Clark County Commissioners so to put any designation such as City, Town, Township etc. is inappropriate. Misterrick 21:36, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In response, Paradise is technicially nothing, It's not a city, it's not a town and it is most certainly not a township. To qualify for any of these you have to have an established government in place which Paradise does not, It is plain and simple an unincorporated area governed by Clark County. I again have removed all reference to this. In the future before reinserting it in, Please a discussion in the Talk:Las Vegas, Nevada page first so that others can give input. I prefer not to get into an editing war over this. Misterrick 06:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reservoirs

Your 'bot has just changed many links to reservoir, to link to lake. I have created Reservoir (water) (and I don't know why you didn't do that, instead). Please use your bot to change the articles again, to point to the new artcile. Thank you.

Perhaps you should use talk pages, to discuss such wide-sweeping changes, before you make them? Andy Mabbett 15:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've now expanded the new article; and repeat my request that you revise your earlier edits (Since you have a bot and I don't). Andy Mabbett 17:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your work on this. Until my watchlist sprang into action, I hadn't realised how many reservoirs' pages I'd edited! Andy Mabbett 19:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

H. S. "Andy" Anderson Disambig by Bot

Hello, I was just dropping you a note to let you know your Bot changed character in the context of " [[carving]] [[character|characters]]." to disabig to fictional character. One of the most prominent carvings done by Anderson was of Adolf Hitler in caricature. See: Image:Cowboy and hitler.jpg. I changed the wikilink to [[carving]] [[caricature carving|characters]]. to avoid further confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaiserb (talk • contribs) (we all forget sometimes) (UTC)

Thanks For Your Question

Thank You, i'm sorry if I made you feel that way. I replied to your question, and I hope I can help in the future. Also, I see above that you understand slightly what i'm talking about. WP:RULES (Key Rule #4) indicates that Wikipedians should actively seek out compromises in order to work together, and those who don't have to realize that their disrespect of other Wikipedians won't be tolerated. I know that sounds a little rough, but right now I feel Wikipedia is in sort of a "Wild West" phase, and the arbcom and other admins need to be more pro-active than they are now to let users know that policies mean something. karmafist 19:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bot touching

Could you let your bot touch everything that links to AM? I have no idea how much work it is do tell your bot to do so, so if you say no, I'll just touch the 25 or so pages myself. (almost not worth using a bot, but you told me to ask for it :-) ). Thank you, Kusma (talk) 03:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! You saved me from 15 minutes of complete boredom. I'll try to find more bot-worthy requests to bother you with in the future. Kusma (talk) 15:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

help with AM?

I removed a whole mess of wiki-links and was reverted. Could you take a look and comment when you get a chance? Thanks! Tedernst | Talk 16:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. It really gets troublesome explaining the MoS over and over again on every dab page. Thanks! Tedernst | Talk 16:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your input would be useful at Talk:AM where the wikilinks and other non-MoS:DP content is being added back by User:Tobias Conradi. Thanks/wangi 18:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, best of luck - I think we'll be quoting MoS:DP till we're blue in the face! wangi 18:08, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DPL statistics

Extracting statistics doesn't take much power. Example data from the 2005-11-13 dump below.

Page and link counts

source pages links
articles 32166 410987
templates 936 1207
Σ 33102 412194

Template usage

template uses
{{2LA}} 17
{{2LCdisambig}} 202
{{4LA}} 257
{{5LA}} 14
{{Albumdis}} 4
{{Dab}} 965
{{Dambig}} 1
{{Disam}} 17
{{Disamb}} 331
{{Disambig}} 37438
{{Disambig-cleanup}} 65
{{Disambiguate}} 2
{{Disambiguation}} 635
{{Exp-dab}} 1
{{Geodis}} 425
{{Hndis}} 243
{{Hurricane disambig}} 236
{{Interstatedis}} 1
{{LND}} 336
{{Listdis}} 3
{{Miscdis}} 7
{{Numberdis}} 125
{{Phrasedis}} 17
{{Rdab}} 2
{{Roadis}} 11
{{Songdis}} 6
{{Substadis}} 14
{{TLAdisambig}} 2618
{{TLAdisambiguation}} 5
{{Tla-dab}} 19
{{Townshipdis}} 95

(Yes, disambiguation template inflation continues. Many of them are redirects, though.) Bo Lindbergh 21:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine.

Deleting them would be fine - I was thinking that we would need to keep a list for the bots, but you're quite correct in that they could work from the original list, since we're going to fix all the links. I will, however, keep the notes at the bottom for the pages that are no longer disambigs, just for future reference. Cheers! BDAbramson T 21:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ola, CK - since you've recently been made an admin (and since my own RfA is still ongoing), I was wondering if you could unprotect Template:Houston Infobox so that the disambig link to "Incorporation" can be re-piped to Incorporation (municipal government). Cheers! BDAbramson T 02:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • What we need is to harness the power of raw numbers! According to Carbonite (in an RfA talk page debate), "There were 1854 users who made at least 100 edits in October."[5] If we can get that many users to make 225 fixes apiece, our problems are solved. (or get them to do 200 apiece and I'll pick up the extra 32,806) ;-) BDAbramson T 13:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ok: I'll pick up the extra 32,806. (no irony). But I think it will be several thousand fewer once we knock out this template situation. Per your second point, I've never seriously considered using a bot. I'm not sure how they work, and have some vague idea that it would require me to download new software - but you have piqued my interest! BDAbramson T 20:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Houston Infobox

It's OK with me to unprotect, I would have don it myself if I hadn't forgotten it existed since it is now obsolete. Protection was requested by UHCollegian, there was rather vicious edit war going on between him and a few other users of Houston and Texas related subjects. See User talk:UH Collegian -JCarriker 21:24, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Walton Hall

Thanks for letting me know about the disambig link on the Trans Pennine Trail template. I've changed it to Walton Hall, Cheshire. josh 17:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

please stop your dab-destruction

Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(disambiguation_pages)#anoying_unwikification thanks Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

a terrible page: Buna :-) regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
depends on how construction and than destruction is defined. Deconstruct a house could also mean to construct space. I called it destruction because you took away something. Well, I don't care how to call it. Philosophically I can not prove that it is destruction. But you destructed links, that other people constructed. Maybe don't see this negative: Destruction can be welcome. (e.g. Nuclear power plant next to your house - destruction would maybe be welcomed by you .... if they do it carefully of course) Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. now we know how nuclear wars start ;-) : simple misunderstanding. Seems to be euringlish ... or just mine. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

gmail template

Hi! I actually have an account -- it's ng_iman@USA.

Regarding the gmail template, I think it is more informative to update the MB everyday with the precise storage limit so that... sorry, I cannot think of a reason but I just want to do it...
Is it really that space-consuming to update the template daily?

68.33.210.46 20:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Panasonic M2

They're violating my copyright, not vice versa. The article was written by me, from scratch, over a year ago. --Hn 04:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I can't recall where the figure is from. It was over a year ago when I was new to the site and not exactly big on references (although I've since learned ;) ). It might be best to remove it until something more concrete turns up, as its quite possible that the site that's currently cited got it from here. --Hn 07:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

KTVX

You have received this message because you have edited a Salt Lake City media article in the past. We have recently had an edit war regarding the wording and inclusion of a paragraph on the KTVX article. In hopes of resolving this I have put together an informal survey. If you are interested, please stop by Talk:KTVX and add a vote. Thanks, A 09:38, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an admin now!!

Hi Commander, thanks a ton for your unstinted support in making me an admin - the final tally was 50-0-0. Thanks also for calling me a gift to Wikipedia - I'll try and live up to it. The comment on Abramson's page was because the rfa process asks us not to canvas in any way; let's say I'm on his user page to discuss about some disambig page and then find that he is on rfa. That is construed as inappropriate - also happens to be one of Durin's standards. Anyways, I voted support for Abramson, he really deserves it. --Gurubrahma 12:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OED access?

Hello there. You inadvertantly admitted on the ref desk to having access to the OED online. If you still have access could you help confirm this [6] dubious edit on the age of newfangle. It does not agree with the offline version has the entry been updated online. Thanks if you can help, or indeed if you can't. MeltBanana 16:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that I'll probably just delete all reference to fangles as it it is pretty silly as it stands in the article with claim and note denying it. Chaucer is also cited as first using newfangleness in 1374 but if the claim is in doubt it is not worth mentioning. MeltBanana 16:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Holy crap!

You sure killed a bunch of links in Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates! Amazing work, CK! BDAbramson T 22:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New color? Oh just because - figured the changover from regular editor to admin should be signified by something, and making it "gold" instead of "lightgreen" actually cuts six characters off my sig (though offset by the bolding of my name). Also, it brings to mind the upgrade levels in American Express cards. :-D BDAbramson T 23:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Cleared a few" definitely is quite a modest edit summary for cutting the list down to half its size. Good job! Kusma (討論) 03:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bot tag

I was wondering how you get your bot to leave the tag:(Robot-assisted disambiguation (you can help!) instead of the standard: Robot-assisted disambiguation --Kaiserb 03:27, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Antioch (disambiguation)

Antioch (disambiguation) uses categories. I would like to remove them, but the one who added calls me vandal and someone who is on a jihad. So I prefer to get a 2nd opinion. I will take the page on my watch. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 14:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. :-) No worries. Tedernst | talk 17:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Commander, I prefer your version, because I prefer grouping. Thx for your help. To avoid wrong idea about the case: The conflict with this other wikipedian was not with respect to Antioch. It was at another place. But he was so hardcore that I thought it's easier to let others do the cleanup at Antioch, because maybe he is only anti if he sees my name. One or two conflict pages with him is enough. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:45, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
look at User_talk:Tedernst#Seleucia and you see the user I was referring to in vandal-shouting action. He is at WP since Nov 15. Maybe he is sockpuppet. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 22:05, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
S/he backed off the vandal thing when I called her/him on it (no apology, just tone got nicer). To his/her credit, my edits weren't simply reverted (yet). We'll see. Tedernst | talk 22:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
what about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ecuador&diff=28412112&oldid=28352650

pure un-dab by the user. This user is also one of the strange guys here. Like the above William I met him several times together with User:Golbez. Commander, if an Admin uses admin power to revert something that was created during as result of edit conflict, then the admin (here Golbez) abused his admin rights? I would like to de-admin people that do this. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 14:39, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

i don't know whether it's really Golbez or an ally. What I know is that Golbez used admin rights in an edit disput. I made contributions to a page and he and William reverted. When Golbez was near 3RR then William came. That Golbez is aggressive towards me is nothing new, but Williams behavior as a new user was strange. I even went to his talk page [7] but he did not reply. Because of constant reverts of corrections and a renaming of the proposal I made, I splitted the page. A Golbez version with dissinformation and a corrected version. He used admin power to revert this fork. I think this is admin right abuse. [8]

Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Aspect ratio"

Greetings Commander! I don't know if it was a live edit by you or your bot, but isn't the aspect ratio description valid for the Earth page (where the aspect ratio refers to b:a)? If not, should I create a small "Aspect ratio (ellipse)" article? ~Kaimbridge~ 15:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unbelievable

I can't believe you Commander Keane, you hook your sister onto Wikipedia and she is already wielding the disambiguation mop. How could you :P —jiy (talk) 11:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bot disambiguation of "continuous"

Hi, I wanted to alert you to the fact that in the context of stats/probability articles, it makes more sense to resolve "continous" to continuous probability distribution, rather than continuous function. This basically applies to everything in category:continuous distributions, and possibly to other articles as well. Cheers, --MarkSweep (call me collect) 19:28, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

an unfortunate edit

In F-distribution, it said:

In probability theory and statistics, the F-distribution is a continuous probability distribution.

You disambiguated conitunuous by writing [[continuous function|continuous]]. That was an unfortunate choice. It later got fixed, so that now it says [[continuous probability distribution|continuous]]. I hope this isn't being done in a knee-jerk way. Michael Hardy 19:54, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

but (and my reasoning for my edit) is that the continuous probability distribution is a continuous function.

That does not make sense. The function that is continuous, when one speaks of a continuous probability distribution, is the cumulative distribution function, but in some cases one may speak of continuous probability distributions on Polish spaces in which there really isn't any cumulative distribution function, and then "continuous" means having a density function, as opposed to distributions that either are discrete or otherwise don't amount to absolutely continuous measures. At talk:discrete random variable a short time ago, some confusion resulted from the fact that the article's title attributed "continuity" to the random variable rather than to the distribution. That confusion would have been avoided if the title had been discrete probability distribution, and so I moved the article accordingly. Just which function is supposed to be continuous when one calls a probability distribution "continuous" is therefore a matter of some confusion, and that confusion can be most quickly cleared up when considering the topic of continuous probability distributions than when considering continuous functions. Michael Hardy 22:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bot disambiguation of rap

You might want to check the output of the robot. For example, the mention of "rap" at Hard Core should point to hip hop music, not rapping. It would probably be best to do the disambiguation by hand. --FuriousFreddy 20:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, it's misambiguating all of the links. If you can stop it, please stop it now. I'm going to have to go behind it and correct everything by hand. --FuriousFreddy 20:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
(This is the opteenthbillioth time I've given this lecture, so excuse me if it comes off as snappy). The Wikipedia article on rapping covers the art and practice of performing as a rapper. It is the counterpoint of the article on singing. It is not an article on a genre of music. That article is hip hop music. "Rap" and "rap music", when referencing a genre of music, are synonymous with "hip hop music". Rapping does not in any way describe a genre of music. Note that, for that reason, it lacks an infobox, and is not in a music genre category. Take it from a knowledgable person, with hundreds of albums, books, and magazines on the subject. An infobox for an album that says "rap" should obviously be piped to hip hop music and no place else. If it says hip hop/rap, it should be fixed as [[hip hop music|hip-hop/rap]], [[hip hop music|hip-hop]], or [[hip hop music|rap]]. Any of the three is correct, but piping links refering to genres of music to an article on a vocalization technique is not. Please correct the bot settings and have it disambiguate to the proper places (nake Wiki-markup examples follow below):
  • "''Straight Outta Compton'' is a [[1988]] [[rap]] album by [[NWA]]" should become "''Straight Outta Compton'' is a [[1988]] [[hip hop music|rap]] album by [[NWA]]", NOT "''Straight Outta Compton'' is a [[1988]] [[rapping|rap]] album by [[NWA]]". (because "rap" is used as a noun defining "a genre of American popular music")
  • "Little Clavin Broadas decided he wanted to [[rap]] for a living" should become "Little Clavin Broadas decided he wanted to [[rapping|rap]] for a living", NOT "Little Clavin Broadas decided he wanted to [[hip hop music|rap]] for a living". (because "rap" is used as a verb describing "a technique of delvering rhythmic lyrics over an instrumental track")
  • "Like many TLC songs, "Waterfalls" includes a [[rap]] from Left-Eye." should become "Like many TLC songs, "Waterfalls" includes a [[rapping|rap]] from Left-Eye.", NOT "Like many TLC songs, "Waterfalls" includes a [[hip hop music|rap]] from Left-Eye." (because "rap" is used as a noun describing "a verse of rhythmic lyrics delivered over an instrumental track by a rapper")
  • "The station was criticized for playing too much [[rap]]" should become "The station was criticized for playing too much [[hip hop music|rap]]", NOT "The station was criticized for playing too much [[rapping|rap]]". (because "rap" is used as a noun defining "a genre of American popular music")

I hope that I have properly explained this.

--FuriousFreddy 20:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence "50 Cent is a rap artist" would probably read better as "50 Cent is a rapper" (rapper automatically redirects to rapping). However, a sentence like "50 Cent makes rap music" should have rap piped to hip hop music. For a group, like, say "G-Unit is a rap group," pipe rap to hip hop music. --FuriousFreddy 20:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The pages from both diffs should point to hip hop music. --FuriousFreddy 21:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I hand-corrected it as: "[[Rapture (song)|Rapture]]", the first [[hip hop music|rap]] song to be released from the band. It was the first ever rap song to reach number one on the singles chart in the [[United States|U.S.]]. It also reached number five in the UK. Besides the piping, I changed the case of "rap" and unlinked the second instance of the word. --FuriousFreddy 21:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You can do it. I'll look back over them after the process is done. --FuriousFreddy 03:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bot disambiguation question

Someone moved The Spinners to The Detroit Spinners (which I moved to The Spinners (soul music)), but without disambiguating the links to the old page. I moved The Spinners to Spinners (disambiguation), and was wondering if you could help by using the bot to disambiguate the links going to either the soul/R&B group, the folk group, or the car accessory. Thanks. --FuriousFreddy 13:51, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello (Commander?)

Yes sir, commander sir! Have you ever served in the army?

yes sir commander sir! Have you ever served in the army or done any national service, and no TA doesnt count that is for people like Garath from 'The Office' oh and just because you have commander in ur name doesnt mean that u have the power to block people!!! Is the commander in ur name because u are using it as a form of escapism? I.e. u dont have power in ur job or generally in your life so you want to be a "big man"?

Reffering to name!

Sorry i didnt read ur user info page sorry its all cleared up now however i have one suggestion... i feel you should change ur nickname to commander cool because, and i quote, i think u sure sound cool hear "My nickname is derived from a combination of my name and the 1990's computer game Commander Keen". I mean god sake man how long did it take u to invent this? bet u thought about that one for days. Even if you say oh i made it up when i was younger thats NOT an excuse as u have grown up now!!! And dont say it didnt take u any time to make it up ur friends did! because judging by that name u either have no friends or you have very little friends who are computer nerds!!! Over and Out commander keane

OOps

oops!

I take back everything i said cos i said it in anger and didnt check my messages. Sorry mate!! Big miskate ignore everything i have just said!!

reply

Hi, sure, all admins are registered anyway. iirc you are big on disambig'ing, at the moment it doesnt have any particular disambig features, let me know how they could be implemented if you see fit. Martin 16:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: List of F1 Champs

WOW! Thanks a lot for that effort, I owe you one ;) AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 02:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hey man.

hey man, I'm the brother of the guy who wrote the article about bill stewart the drummer. good disambiguating! how's the summertime? NPPyzixBlan 19:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for CDVF help

Thanks for answering my [question] about CDVF. Turns out I had put in the path to a shortcut instead of the actual browser. The Catfish 03:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dump success

Look for a line saying "SUCCESS:" in the log file. As of right now, the dump started 2005-12-13 is still merrily chugging along. Bo Lindbergh 14:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DPL

I got a recent database dump from [9]. They've been having some trouble completing the dumps lately, but it seems that the pages_current.xml file is fine even though the pages_full isn't getting completed correctly. I actually ran my own python script on it because I don't know from perl.  :-) Anyway, look at this morning's changes to Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages maintenance. I am now using the output of the database dump to identify "busy" disambig pages, but using the live wiki to collect the link counts, leading to a list that is more up-to-date than the output of any dump. --Russ Blau (talk) 14:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was Dec. 11. There is a Dec. 13 dump online now, but I haven't downloaded it yet. --Russ Blau (talk) 14:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

how to revert plz?

hi, can you tell me how to revert changes made to a page plz? someone has edited work I did to Bill Hick's page and I feel this particular change has not improved the article, but rather the opposite.

(cur) (last) 16:57, 19 December 2005 AaronSw (→Quotes by Hicks)

(cur) (last) 20:28, 18 December 2005 Dirk Diggler Jnr m (→Quotes by Hicks - text tidy)

I want to revert away from "AaronSw's" edit back to the Dirk Diggler edit listed above.

cheers bud Dirk Diggler Jnr

History...

You are right. I will try to be more careful. I am not an admin, so I cannot delete the redirect out of my way. If I could, I would certainly use the Move tool. -- Fplay 07:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

One Star Hotel

Point taken about One Star Hotel and disambiguiation. BUT if you type "One Star Hotel" into the search box, it comes up with the "Star (classification)" page. The only way to get the One Star Hotel page is to type "One Star Hotel (band)" into the search box, but how many non-Wikipedians know to do this? Any suggestions for making the OSH page searchable without mucking with the star disambig page would be helpful. Cheers. - Champlain


Thanks for the clarifications and insights. All best - Champlain 03:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re Depression disambiguation page

About your recent edit to Depression. Disambiguation pages have their own style guidelines, which include having minimal descriptions for each entry (just enough for a reader to detemrine which page they are looking for), and no excess wikilinks (one wikilink per entry is the general rule). More information is available at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), and I'm always willing to discuss disambiguation.--Commander Keane 13:18, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this information, Commander. I've now dewikified the page but left the descriptions for Clinical depression and Depression (mood) intact as I feel something like them is necessary to indicate the distinction between the two meanings. Hope you approve.
Best wishes, David Kernow 14:02, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Municipio

IMO not a good idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASubdivision_term_spanish&diff=30633617&oldid=27968480

now someone came to add Municipio (Mexico) - we can then have it for every country. What did lead you to change Municipio to Municipio (Spain)? Did you you think Spain is the only country with Municipio as a subnational entity? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 03:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

... ;-) of course blue is better ;-). I assume that a federal-page will give the reader more insight than the Main_page of WIKIpedia? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 10:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I use the term "wikify" and therefore I emphasized WIKIpedia. Federal is in an organized template, I don't think it is distracting. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 17:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You turned a link to a more general term into a self link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urban_area&diff=25717928&oldid=25665205 Tobias Conradi (Talk) 09:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Could you add a talk link to your signature? i allways have to do an extra click because you don't have this. ... Well, what does a self link help? On the other hand the link to urban can help and can give you more about the use of the word urban. I know that the unlink-dab-pages-team with their hardcore definition of what a dab-page is and how it should be handled linking to such a page is unwanted. But I disagree. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 09:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ah ok. But maybe my last words gave fuel to a new discussion ;-). Tobias Conradi (Talk) 09:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like sinature personalization neither. But if it is not added by the software guys - I take matters in my own hand. I regard this as a help to all people that like to talk. about the fuel: I thought you might be angry that I like linking to certain not 100% dab pages ... Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the tool page: looks like security hole to me. Seems as if everybody could play with js. I am really surprised. I could edit Commander_Keane/xyz.js and listen where you are surfing? Maybe I missed something. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 13:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your bot

A bots use to WP:UB could be imence. Could we by any chance have some command over this bot or its code or anything? And would it even be possible for a bot to be made (by you?) to do some of the userbox prefix changes for us? I have a host I can use (Grand Edgemasters server infact) where it could be hosted, and that servers quite secure, we could put a load amount limit on it to prevent spamming. Thanks for anycomments/help. (I have currently lost track of my watchlist, so please reply on my talk page as well) Ian13ID:540053 20:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed with what you doing. A bot is a great way to fix up where we may have missed out on achieving various standards, or need to do blanket repairs to user box formats. User:AlMac|(talk) 16:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

depression disambig page

Thanks for correcting the excessive linking, but why wouldn't the link to recession also be removed if the same rule were applied? --Jim 21:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Not Redundant"

That's fine, I just didn't want to delete something without being sure that it had been cleared from every page. Thanks, FireFox 11:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Nice editor name. I *still* play Commander Keen from time to time. (A-2-Enter, F10-G, B-A-T ....)

Jumped when I saw the edit to my User: page - but thanks for fixing the userbox includes there. Triona 12:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User/vandalized template

Hey, I just have a question about the template for pages being vandalized. Can you explain what your bot did? (Not that I mind, I'm just curious what it does and how it works.) Thanks!--ViolinGirl♪ 15:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not about to try running a bot myself yet...my gracious! Your explanation was very nice, I'm just a little confused...it replaced my old vandalized template with what? (Sorry...I must be a little thick...)--ViolinGirl♪ 16:46, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for patiently explaining it to me. Gotchya this time. Thanks!--ViolinGirl♪ 17:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox for holic count

Yes, please go ahead with the delete. I saw in the logs that your bot had edited my userpage. I found the original userbox from the logs, and I switched to the more "official" one. Thanks for your help. --R6MaY89 17:52, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"alternative dab templates deprecated" documented?

Where is that? I'm not going to edit pages just to pick this fight, but if I'm there already, I'm changing templates to disambig. I'd love to have a citation for this guideline when I'm doing it. Thanks. Tedernst | talk 20:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!

(A little early, I know, but what the heck!)

And, when you get a chance, you might want to look at Roman, which has undergone some drastic editing lately and, oddly enough, seems to be attracting a motely group of editors with very disparate goals. --Russ Blau (talk) 22:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Language - bot needed

I so your bot changing userboxes. So I thought maybe you can help in a template move. Template:Language -> Template:Infobox Language. Currently there is no real consensus (Template_talk:Language), but if we have a bot this would take down the hurdle for Infobox standardization. One thing would be the simple move, the other to maybe change something more complicated. Maybe just go to the talk page and say you would be willing to help (if so). We will then find out how to do it. Maybe you can also help to convince the opponents (they seem not to have real reasons, but more asking why we should move). And yes: Happy new year! Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:18, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify: when I asked you for maybe bot-help I was not aware that Netoholic created Template:Infobox Language. The issue we have there now is completly another story. thanks for having come around. please re-read WP:AUM and under which circumstances meta-templates are regarded as harmfull to servers. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 07:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Commander, may I ask you again? I think the language temp editors would be really thankfull if you could offer bot help. Now with this WP:AUM thing people are maybe more keen on have conformant naming. You would only need to offer your help - of course if you like to vote for conformant naming this would help. But if you don't want to get into discussion there, it is fine. You will only get the "order" after consensus. The minimum task would be to change Template:Language -> Template:Infobox Language. thanks a lot for listening Tobias Conradi (Talk) 14:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

thx a lot for your reply and pointing me to bot req. regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Asdquefty

Can you explain the changes you made to my userpage? -- Asdquefty 00:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -- Asdquefty 04:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give me the code for the template at the top of your talk page? -- Asdquefty 04:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the template. I removed some parts so I might need your help later to put them back in. You can view it at my Sandbox. -- Asdquefty 17:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Root page

I've had my bot go through all instances of Root page in Wikipedia and change them to Root page (looks the same:Root page). I have also deleted Root page, it's not really appropriate to link to the Wikipedia namesapce from articles. Hope that's what you wanted. If not, let me know and I'll change them back.--Commander Keane 21:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure - this was troubling me, and was why I didn't put Root page in the Wikipedia namespace myself to start with! I realised it could be done with a piped link, but dislike the extra complication for editors when redirect makes it easier. Is there any reason why it is not appropriate to link to the Wikipedia namespace from articles? Are you saying that Root page should not be in WNS? Is there any reason not to leave the redirect in place too? It fooled me when I just tried to look at Root page by entering the shortened form into search! --Lindosland 21:59, 31 December 2005 (UTC) Ok. Wikipedia has two operating modes: To provide a working encyclopedia (seen in the article namespace) To provide infrastructure to improve the encyclopedia (seen in the Wikipedia namespace) Root page, which is in the article namespace, is for an encyclopedia article. It should be blank, ready for someone to come along and create a new article. A reader shouldn't have to deal with the inner-workings of Wikipedia if all they want to do read an article. This is why a redirect from Root page to Wikipedia:Root page is inappropriate. Having said that, I see that Revert redirects to Wikipedia:Revert. So I guess you can (or ask me if you like) make the redirect, even though I think it's unprofessional and confusing for readers. Also, don't worry about editors having trouble finding your new guidleline. It's obvious (with a little experience) that it will be located at Wikipedia:Root page. I'm not sure about this but I tend to think the redirect is best, and as you say, there is precedent. I don't understand your comment 'A reader shouldn't have to deal with the inner-workings of Wikipedia if all they want to do read an article.' Root page is just a phrase used as a label on a page. It will rarely be clicked on - only when readers wonder what it is and click to get an explanation. Redirecting into the Wikipedia namespace seem quite alright to me, its not as if every Root page is reliant on this path to work in some way. You might like to look at my other suggestion, which I have just put up on Wikipedia: village pump (proposals) for 'MetaCategories'. There I guess I am redefining Wikipedia as one of several MetaCategories, the others being Book:, Film:, Song:, Standard:, etc in the first namespace. Does that make sense to you, or do you see any inconsistancy there? --Lindosland 23:20, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lindosland"

I've just put the redirect back (since it can only help and leaves the option of using the simpler form of link.

Your Bot made a real mess of my Watch list! (OK I can drag and delete I see) and presumably of others too especially those watching Animation. It would probably have been best to discuss it first. I'd prefer it if you put things back as they were, at least for now, to keep the explanations and trials simpler. --Lindosland 00:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at Wikipedia:Disambiguation and see that it has several redirects in place. --Lindosland 00:10, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


It seems that the redirect is used in lots of cases, despite my grievance with the idea. So the redirect is ok. What is not ok is using the "shortened form" as you call it. You must use the full link [[Wikipedia:Root page|Root page]]. Reasons:
  • By using the "shortened" from you stop someone from creating a real article at Root page, since lots of incoming links will have to be fixed (by a bot prorbably, which is a waste of editor's time and messes with your watchlist as you noted)
  • When someone rolls their mouse over the "shortened form" in most browsers, the incorrect URL (http://en.wikipeddia.org/wiki/Root_page) will be shown in the lower left corner of the window. It's better that readers see that it leads to the Wikipedia namespace, so they realise the concept is not real but just Wikipedia bureaucracy
  • Redirects can be trouble. They use a bit of server resources and also, if the page Wikipedia:Root page moves (say to Wikipedia:Root pages) double redirects will be created which will have to be fixed (again, probably by a bot, lighting up your watchlist)
Do you agree to use the full link now?--Commander Keane 10:20, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
YES, after due consideration I agree. Please note that, following a suggestion on Wikipedia talk:Root page, which I agree has a good basis, the preferred term looks likely to be Wikipedia:Summary page. In due course you might use your Bot to change this. Although I've now re-worded the page to use this term, I have left it where it is for now to avoid breaking links from other discussion places. I have created a dummy page Wikipedia:Summary page though, just to get the links in my text to turn blue. --Lindosland 15:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

for fixing my userbox. Happy New Year! TopCat99 03:31, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

and the same from me. I did some of the re-linking for the Userboxes, and hoped for a bot most of the time. Lee S. Svoboda tɑk 04:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Epic

Thanks for putting the disambig into the Epic page. Since you've been at this disambiguting stuff for a while, could you review my proposal to move Epic -> Epic (disambiguration) make sense? Its seems so to me, but I may not know all the dynamics of this virtual world yet. Thx. John (Jwy) 02:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How many "what links here" have to go to "Epic poetry"? None. I finished cleaning everything up so now only "special" pages point to it. In most instances, Epic DID move to Epic poetry. But there was a sprinkle of Epic Records, Epic Film and to the (Indian) Epic Age. John (Jwy) 17:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User zodiac:Aquarius-N userbox

Hi, whilst working on the Userboxes violating meta-templates, I discovered {{User zodiac:Aquarius-N}}, it seems strange as it refers to a compiler, yet it is under the zodiac space? What is the purpose of this ubx, as it is utterly confusing. The same also goes for {{User zodiac:Aquarius-3}} but it seems possibly logical. --Grand Edgemaster Talk 21:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Template:NFLFanCAR

OK, thanks for fixing it. I'll fix the rest later.

Addaone 23:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Request for Adminship

Greetings, Commander Keane! I wanted to sincerely thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with a final result of 55/14/3. Your support means a lot to me! If you have any questions or input regarding my activities, be they adminly or just a "normal" user's, or if you just want to chat about anything at all, feel free to drop me a line. Cheers! —Nightstallion (?) 07:53, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're fast

You can type faster than I can. I have now put a little on the talk page of Public school. But in short since I removed the English meaning of the word and as the rest of the article is about what Public schools are in different countries and nothing like the article independent school (UK) or state school any link which points to this page only says that depending on the page you have come from a public school is a public school! I think it is a disambiguation page. I am not American and at the moment all the page tells me is that an American school is a state school. It does not tell me if they are state or centrally funded, how big the typical US public school is, how it is goverened, how many children are educted in them etc, etc. --Philip Baird Shearer 20:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update your bot

You may have noticed already, but Wikimedia made a software change within the last few days that broke the pywikipediabot code for getting "Whatlinkshere" pages. If you want accurate link counts, you need to get the latest bot files off CVS. --Russ Blau (talk) 23:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reference desk archival

Hi there! Thanks for your message here. To be honest, I have not checked that the last thread is at least a week old before archival ever since the date headers were introduced. I suppose I should have only archived the posts labeled under January 1st today, but over the next few months or so I am expecting to be away from Wikipedia for extended periods of time. Hence, I was a bit more eager archive more questions this time around. For example, I know that I can come back in say, two weeks, and the reference desk will still be reasonably functional. I only do this because there are no other active archivers, so very often when I have to be away I try to compromise between what is needed here on Wikipedia, and what is need of myself outside of Wikipedia. I guess this time your post was caught up on the wrong side of this! :-) Just give me a few minutes to reinstate the post for you, and I think that would suffice. People are free to reinstate posts whenever they feel like as far as I'm concerned; but in practise, this is quite rare - I think I've done this maybe 3 times in the past 6 months.

If you read carefully in between the lines, there really aren't so many written rules for archival - but you are correct - I tend to try and keep questions active for about a week or so, but in certain months where there are a lot of questions, I archive more often, and generally reduce the active question to maybe 3-5 days. --HappyCamper 21:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, the question is back up now :-) Right at the top. I just need to make a note to myself to remove the extra "January 3rd" header when I archive the next time around. See you! --HappyCamper 21:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Touch Bot

Hi, I noticed your post to Fplay. I've been looking for him too. He touched about 1000 user pages and got in deep with an admin and he disappeared about 10 days ago. We miss him at the unofficial/unnamed UI project. However, the main reason I'm contacting you is because you mentioned on his talk page that you have a bot for touching files without having to actually edit anything. I ran into a problem a few days ago when I moved a page which had many pages pointing to it through a template. I changed the link on the template, but all the pages the template was on still showed up as linking to the old (now redirected) page. This made "what links here" almost useless for managing a redirect bypass. So, I would be very interested in acquiring your little tool. I'm also interested in collecting whatever tools and techniques I can lay my hands on, for I think I've reached the limit of my manual capacity to work on Wikipedia. My productivity climb has definitely hit a plateau. I look forward to hearing from you, Go for it! 00:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since we're on the subject of bots and tools, there are a few chores I've been bogged down with, that maybe you know how to simplify:

  1. WikiProject Philosophy has a template which we would like to put at the top of all philosophy articles' talk pages, providing a link to the project page to see the additional guidelines we've created for writing philosophy articles, and to increase awareness about and opportunity to join the project. But there are hundreds if not thousands of such articles, and it is a tedious chore. We've barely scratched the surface.
  2. The portal "project" has created a template for the talk pages of all portals to inform each portal's maintainers about the Portal Directory upon which all portals need to be listed, and upon which certain information about all the portals on Wikipedia needs to be kept up-to-date.
  3. I'm also interested in finding a tool that can help build Wikipedia glossaries. If there was an automated way to grab the top 10 lines from each page on a list and place those lines in blocks on a another single page (along with the link to the page the block came from), it would sure simplify the process. Then all the person would need to do is pare down the blocks to a 2 or 3 sentence definition, and he'd have a glossary. The glossary I've been working on is Glossary of philosophical isms, built by manually cutting and pasting sentences from articles. Tedious. I'm also interested in turning the "List of basic philosophical topics" into a glossary.
  4. I'm in need of creating a class, to minimize the amount of space taken up in a page's source, for some code used to round corners of boxes in divs and tables. Some of the files I've used the code in are so choked with code it makes it hard to see any actual text! My question is, "how are classes access? Can they be accessed from a cascading style sheet that isn't protected, so that non-admin users like me can create classes?
  5. I'm heavily into list building. Is there any way to grab related pages all into a list without having to collect them one-by-one manually? I'm about to start building lists of Wikipedia articles on nutrients, vitamins, drugs, and health topics.
  6. Howabout ways to check the completeness of (or to update) an existing list of articles/links?
  7. What (other) resources (pages, bots, utilities, etc.) do the power users / most prolific contributors of Wikipedia use? Or where can I find this out?

Thanks for your time. Go for it! 00:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Revolution

Thanks for the heads-up re: disambiguation pages style! I missed it when I was reading the manual of style. I'll add it to my reading list :) Ahasuerus 01:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take you up on your offer

Thanks for all the info concerning bots. Yes, I would like your help setting up my own python bot. Go for it! 18:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, have you updated the bot as per Russ Blau's message above? Go for it! 18:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Hardy

Hi. I got another disambig challenge for you. See "Hungry" Charles Hardy and Charles Hardy. This might even quiz you on Wikipedia:Naming conventions. -- Perfecto Canada 20:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Malplaced dab pages

That's an easy extension. Should it look for any page → Foogle (disambiguation) or just Foogle → Foogle (disambiguation) type redirects? Bo Lindbergh 22:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Preliminary report at User:Bo Lindbergh/Malplaced disambiguations. Feel free to move it to a more useful location. Bo Lindbergh 05:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bot trial request

Hello, I've had a bot trial request on WP:BOT for a week without a reply. Is that normal? I really would like to help out. My request is listed here. I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks. P.S. I've also left a comment on the [page] about pop music in case you're interested. Gflores Talk 17:27, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mmm, I haven't replied on my talk page for a while, I wonder if you get a new messages banner? Anyway, I have gotten your bot approval. About Pop, probably the best way to get editor attention is to make a note of the redirect discussion at WP:DPL. I've done that for you (I had to add a note to Hip anyway). I've notcied you test running the pywikipedia bot, so I know you have it working ok. When running solve_disambiguation.py you can turn off the incessant beeping and also personalise the edit summary (eg add the tradiaitonal You can help! that got me recruited). I have the how-to right at the bottom of here, I can't remember if I've sent you there before.--Commander Keane 12:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. I'm approved for a week now. And oh yeah, that beeping was really starting to get on my nerves. Gflores Talk 16:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

212.219.117.66?

How about user:212.219.117.66? I see a history of poor editing- my revert was Systems Analysis. I am not familiar with Wiki practices in this area. Please advise. Cask05 18:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cask05 (talk • contribs)

Re: WP:BOTS

The talk page is a community approval system. It does not require my consent, however it does require someone to say (and know what they are talking about) 'yes, you can do this' or 'no, you shouldn't do this'. --AllyUnion (talk) 10:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Double-redirect

Sorry, but I can't figure out what happened in the instance you cited to me, because I don't have access to the page histories. You have deleted Talk:Apology (disambiguation), so I can't tell whether there originally was a double-redirect or not. If you find another case, please let me know before you alter any of the pages involved, as I would like to fix any errors in my bot. --Russ Blau (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation request

Hello Commander Keane! Could you correct the links for Iser and Iser (disambiguation) for me? Olessi 19:50, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other disambiguation pages I have worked on (that I can't fix myself) are: Carlstadt (disambiguation), Maras (disambiguation), & Ozyorsk (disambiguation). Olessi 20:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking care of those for me! I had noticed you correcting some other disambiguation pages I had worked on before, so you seemed the natural person to ask for help. Olessi 04:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Early AfD deletion?

Question for you... I put up an article for AfD after doing some research into its notability. After getting the vote set up, another user came up with something that pretty much settles the article as legit without any need for a vote, so I'd just as soon end it early. Take a look, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cybermind. Is that something that needs to run its course, or can an admin take care of it? Deadsalmon 06:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gracias. Deadsalmon 06:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Router support thanks

Hi, it's Daverocks here. I just wanted to thank you for the help you provided in trying to help me fix my Siemens router. Even though we didn't reach a solution eventually, it was kind of you to try and help, and to persist for so long. Again, thanks. -- Daverocks 01:32, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation

Hello again. :) I just finished disambiguating approximately 300 links to Pop. Is it normal for the majority of the links to refer to one thing in the disambiguation page? I only found about 9 or 10 links that point to something other than pop music. I left a comment on the talk page, but it seems people are generally reluctant to make redirects. Gflores Talk 06:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You removed the instruction from your talk page about how you don't like to break threads, am I supposed to answer here? Anyway, I wouldn't say that it's normal for almost all of the links to point to one target but it is sometimes the way things are (eg American, there has been extensive discussion after which it remains a disambig). The reason I haven't voted to redirect pop is that when I think "pop", Pop music doesn't come to mind. At this tage I would just forget about Pop for a couple of months, and come back to it some other time.--Commander Keane 06:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the talk message so reply anywhere you like. :) Ok, I'll just forget about pop. It's just that a lot of times, it seems that a lot of time is spent (or rather wasted) to fix the links, and then ultimately DAB page ends redirecting to one place. I did some dabs for Liberal a while back, and now it is no longer a dab page. That's why I like proposing redirects and why I'm sometimes hesitant to work on disambiguation. Gflores Talk 03:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Taking care of disambiguation

Thanks for taking care of the Quint disambiguation page being properly liked and directed. I believe I understand the process now. Strangely though, I just noticed that the move tab does show up for me... -- Natalya 15:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Follow Up - So I actually do have a question about it. In the help desk, you said:

2) Move Quint (disambiguation) to Quint (had to delete Quint to do that, lucky I'm an admin :))

So Quint (disambiguation) is now a redirect page to Quint. What caused you to have to delete Quint to stick what used to be in the dab page there?

Thanks for the clarification! -- Natalya 18:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DND

Can you please reinstate from deletion DND/DND (disambigation) such that DND is a disambig page? It's not valid pointing straight at Department of National Defence (Canada) and as things are the history and DND disambig page have been lost. Thanks/wangi 23:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Echo that, it's very annoying - speedying it was against policy. I've requested it to be undeleted. ··gracefool |☺ 00:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, it was moved to DND (diambiguation) (misspelt), fixed now. ··gracefool |☺ 04:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As gracefool said, it somehow ended up at DND (diambiguation) (sic), which I am about to delete as a 100% useless redirect. At the time I believe DND and DND (disambiguation) (the correct spelling) were redirecting to each other. Don't know hwo that happened. Anyway it was a bit of a mess, but it's straightened out now. Hope that helps. -R. fiend 01:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Quick thank-you for correcting the userbox on my userpage. -Battlemonk 16:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Me also! Thank you for updating my userbox, I was wondering why it changed in the first place, thanks for correcting it. --Lightdarkness 17:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

From me as well. Thanks for taking the time! Cyberevil 18:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the userbox fix. Brokenfrog 20:55, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Same here, that was a good fix. Thanks. --Ahmed 00:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your user page hint

Hi I use Firefox and I found your hint "...if you use Firefox you can go to any Wikipedia article by typing wp Foo into the address bar" really useful. Thanks :-)--A Y Arktos 00:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request help with Golden Globe

Hi, you seem to be the person with the cool bot, so could I ask for some help with Golden Globe please? Hundreds of movie articles point to Golden Globe, which redirects to Golden Globe Award. Trouble dis, I just added Golden Globe Race, and it would be nice to make Golden Globe a dab page -- but all those movie articles need to be redirected first. Any chance you can help? Thanks! BTW, see Talk:Golden Globe Award. — Johan the Ghost seance 02:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, fair 'nuff. I just thought the Award page would look better without the notice... Also, I didn't realise there was such a big manual element. Cheers! — Johan the Ghost seance 13:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bridges of Brisbane

Thank you for the work you have done on this article. It's great. Regards. Figaro 11:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it very much. It is good that we share an interest in the Bridges of Brisbane. Figaro 22:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Swan View Tunnel

Ok, which of us are going to fill out the extra details better - my para about the ASG's and the Royal Commission, and your new one are the same story. I know the story without the sources, but do you have easy access to them? SatuSuro 23:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC) aka Vcxlor (hi there after all this time) - and you should think about archiving this page yes?  :) SatuSuro 23:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Ok - I am not sure what you know - but ASG - Australian Standard Garratt made during war time, and 'one size fits all' for standard 4'81/2" and narrow 3'6' gauage lines - very successful on emu bay railway in tassie (i did the article on that) - but as a Beyer Garratt engine which was far too wide, insffucient precautions were made at the tunnel, and the acident, and a strike, and a royal commission - probably battye library or state records for sure - a local librarian will be very unlikely to get any info. When I was very young I had the opportunity to enter the 'scrap yard' lineup at midland (just east of the coal dam) and take pictures of heaps of locos about the be cut up, which included ASG's which had been sitting around for over 10 years after being decomissioned (!) If you want to know my connections with some rail researchers - whom I know from the old days at the arhs (ie late 1960's) I can pursue that one. SatuSuro 08:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am usually very suspicious of calm journalism, but this link is fine, it will probably be about 6 months before I am back into the archives for the politics of the strike and the royal commission, the fact they acknowledge that george duxbury actually wrote the art is good! That link is fine for the moment! SatuSuro 12:21, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Categorisation of Australian Bridges

Hi, I have responded to your comments at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Bridges category by city.2C how about by state instead.3F, in particular ... how does less categorisation help? How much more expansion of the state bridges is required to warrant the new cat system? You don't seem to have got back to the discussion, but I am reluctant to let it sit and the, "excessive" in my view, sub-categorisations stay because of lack of response. The new cat system does not reconcile well with the Murray River and the at least 46 crossings of that river. To my mind 32 articles does notjustify the extensive sub categories, especially as there would be only 20 articles not categorised in the sub category Bridges of Brisbane - the only sub category so far that seems to be justified on the number of articles within it. I don't really understand why you felt compelled to not allow the sub categories to grow organically on an as-needs basis? Could you please explain and/or reconsider? thanks--A Y Arktos 23:56, 18 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I did see your reasons at the earlier edit you referred to. In effect however you are categorising very few articles elaborately. If we leave the sole sub cat of Aust Bridges as Brisbane city bridges, there are only 20 bridges remaining at present. Cross-categorisation of categories seems not to be necessary at this stage. There seems no reason that the West Gate Bridge cannot be categorised to Bridges of Australia and to Transport in Melbourne. The latter category only contains 16 articles and only 3 more if Melbourne bridges are added.
My objection is to categorising 20 articles into only 1/2 as many sub cats. You asked - How much more expansion of the state bridges is required to warrant the new cat system? I have tried to deal with that question and you have not justified what is to my mind excessive categorisation.--A Y Arktos 07:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should I?

I'm thinking about requesting adminship, and have written a draft of my request. I would appreciate it if you would proofread it for me, and let me know what you think. Feel free to correct any errors you find. Thank you. Sincerely, --Go for it! 00:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

reply

That edit doesn't distort anything. If he says "[[hip hop]] music", not realizing (just as I didn't realize before taking on this massive task, and the authors of over a thousand hip hop-related articles didn't realize) that [[hip hop]] actually redirects to hip hop culture, despite the most common usage. Of course it would be much easier just to change the redirect, but heh, ten bucks says I'd get rolled back and nobody would bat an eyelash. I do not believe I changed the intended meaning of the user's statement. I am, however, actively reducing unnecessary links to [[hip hop]], so that in the future, if a non-bot user wishes to spot-check if any articles have been recently been linked to the wrong target in error, he or she won't have to wade through page 1-20 of titles. Would it be preferable to just remove the brackets instead, or wrap them in <nowiki> tags?
As for Tedernst... mediation? I don't know the guy. There's nothing to mediate. I have nothing against him, as I hadn't heard of him before that episode, and have not heard anything about him since. I've explained this already. I trusted Brian's opinion that Ted was making destructive edits on a massive scale, took a sample, and found it to be true. For all I know, Ted's out there doing it again, but I really don't care about anymore. The rollback is a timesaving tool, and on a dialup connection, every second counts.
So I go play whack-a-vandal every now and then on RC patrol. Guess who still beats me to the punch half the time? 68.39.174.238, that guy who still won't get an account.
Also, let's be clear. "Admin powers" are: page protection/unprotection, user blocking/unblocking, and page deletion/undeletion. One could just as easily copy some javascript and use a sockpuppet to achieve the exact same effect, but, until further notice I have more dignity than that.
So what's the real issue here? Do we not have the same goals of making this encyclopedia easier for both readers and "janitors" alike? Is there anything else you feel I'm doing wrong? — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 05:38, Jan. 21, 2006

Toucan

I *think* that the entry for Toucan has been vandalized in that there appears to be a nonsensical paragraph (or at least one that doesn't make much sense in English). I wanted to try to revert the page back to what I believe is your earlier, 'correct' entry, but have not worked enough with Wikipedia to know how to confidently do this.

Wren Hunt wrenhunt [at] yahoo.com

Hosea Edit

The Hosea edit was intentional. I came the to site looking for information on the Prophet Hosea, and then went to the link at the bottom. The link takes you to an article that has very little to do with Hosea, and just uses Hosea as a spring board to push a certain perspective. Because the link had little factual information to do with Hosea I removed it so users after me would not have to waste their time reading an article that is really just a red herring.

OK, so the link was bad. The reason I interpretted it as vandalism is that you removed all the interwiki links (eg de:Prophet Hosea, fr:Osée etc). I guess that was an accident. I have now removed the external link as you intended. If you leave an edit summary your edits are less likely to be interpretted as vandalism - or maybe get an account (there at lots of good reasons.--Commander Keane 04:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

guanosine

the struktur is RONG!!! i just want to help...

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