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    September 2

    Is the subject of VEDIC ASTROLOGY approved by UGC.

    Please intimate which institution in India or abroad recognises study of VEDIC ASTROLOGY so that I may approach them for learning this great ancient scince of India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.178.55.253 (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you tried asking at the Humanities reference desk? --Jayron32 03:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Language to Language translation

    How do I activate the instant translation capability within Wikipedia such that when I am reading an article in one language I can use the cursor to see a translation, into a different language, of a word with which I am not familiar, eg: German to English?204.115.94.55 (talk) 06:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't believe there is such a capability for anonymous users. You may use either Google Translate or create an account and enable GoogleTrans in your Preferences under "Browsing gadgets". I would advise using Google Translate since no registration is required and it requires less hassle. Protector of Wiki (talk) 06:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You can also switch to Google chrome as your browser. It autmatically recognizes foreign languages and ask you if you want to translate using google translate. ~~ GB fan ~~ 07:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    On Wikipedia, < math >A< / math > does not render as expected

    On my system, the "A" in <math>A^*</math> renders as slanted and serifed, as expected: "" (<math>A^*</math>) looks like "A *" ({{math|''A''<sup> *</sup>}}).

    However, <math>A</math> unexpectedly renders as an upright, sans-serif "A": "" (<math>A</math>) looks like "A" (A).

    When I try the same on http://meta.wikimedia.org, "<math>A</math>" looks like "A" ({{math|''A''}}), as expected it renders as slanted and serifed.

    The issue occurs for simple formulae like "A", "xy" or "AB=CD". For more complex formulae like "A*", the issue is not present.

    As far as I can see, Wikipedia does not work as expected here. Why is this so? Can this be fixed? How? --RainerBlome (talk) 10:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    All the As look the same to me. Have you changed your user preferences at all? - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 10:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Good question. Yes, I have set "Appearance -> Math" to "MathML if possible (experimental)". And indeed, when I switch to "Recommended for modern browsers", it works, <math>A</math> yields the expected slanted, serifed "A". On http://meta.wikimedia.org, it worked because my MathML preference was not set there. Since my browser correctly displays a MathML test page, it appears that the HTML source is not generated correctly with the MathML setting. Thanks for your help. --RainerBlome (talk) 11:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Chamber Orchestra of Europe page

    Dear Sir or Madam,

    A while ago, I updated extensively the Wikipedia page for the Chamber Orchestra of Europe, as I am their Marketing and PR manager (cf. www.coeurope.org). However, these changes seem to have been cancelled and the page reverted to the former text on 21st august at 00:09. Please could you let me know what happened and please could you make sure that the COE page reverts back to how I had changed it?

    May thanks.

    Kind regards,

    Coralia Galtier —Preceding unsigned comment added by COEurope (talk • contribs) 14:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Domjur

    I wish to know whether "DOMJUR" constitutes part of Kolkata Metropolitan Area (KMA). Please inform me at: <address redacted>. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.126.196 (talk) 17:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. But note that we will not do your homework for you. – ukexpat (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Good sockpuppets

    What should an admin do in this situation? A user is a vandal. He is blocked. He creates a sockpuppet. The sockpuppet does not do any vandal edits but instead accumulates a large number of good edits. A checkuser discovers he is a sockpuppet. Should he be blocked? --Chemicalinterest (talk) 17:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    If a user is making good edits, why would a checkuser investigate them? Also, if the sock has had time to accumulate a large amount of edits, any technical data that may have tied them to the original account may have expired. TNXMan 19:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You might find Wikipedia:Standard offer interesting - fundamentally if a user comes back from a blocked account as a good editor then that's fine (ie to the extent that they are unrecognisable eg Comment on content, not on the contributor). The "standard offer" doesn't have to be made explicitly. However if the editor has a good-cop, bad-cop account thing going on that could be problematic - it depends if the editor has only one account and they are doing nothing wrong with it I would guess every sane person would let them get on with it.Sf5xeplus (talk) 21:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Compare to simple:WP:Simple talk#Good sockpuppets. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It should be noted that WP:CLEANSTART covers the issue. If the user is a long term abuser of Wikipedia (Grawp on Wheels, if you will), then a clean start would likely not be accepted. However, if a user vandalized a few articles one day, got blocked, then started a new account and never vandalized again, it likely a) would never be noticed or b) if it was, would be considered a legitimate clean start. There are vandals, and there are VANDALS if you know what I mean, and we deal with them in very different ways. --Jayron32 04:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Irina Shayk

    Extended content

    Irina Shayk (real name Shaykhlislamova), sometimes credited as Irina Sheik, was born on Jan 6 1986 (in Eastern Church it's the Christmas Eve) in a small town called Emanzhelisk, it's in Ural, 50 km from Сhelyabinsk.

    As a schoolgirl, she liked literature, and most of all she liked making up stories and reading and at that time she wanted to become a teacher of literature when she grows up. At teen-age her appearance was very exotic for her small home town. Her classmates often made fun of her as she looked so different from all the other girls.

    Irina's mother was a teacher of music in a kindergarten and she wanted her daughter to study music as well. When Irina was 9 years old she entered a music school and studied there for 7 years. She was singing in a choir and playing piano. Irina’s father was a coalminer and he died when Irina was a schoolgirl. Irina’s mother had to work at 2 jobs to provide for the family (Irina and her elder sister Tatiana) it was a very difficult time for the family but mother and daughters were always helping each other. When Irina finished school they moved to a bigger town.

    Irina started studying marketing, but it was pretty boring and by pure chance (her mother saw an ad on a bus stop) she came to the local beauty school accompanying her elder sister. When the girls came to this school by another pure chance a person from a local model agency (situated next door to the beauty school) noticed Irina and was struck by her unusual beauty. Right away Irina was proposed to participate in a beauty contest "miss Chelyabinsk 2004". Irina never thought of a career of a model and it was a total surprise for her when she won the contest and became miss Chelyabinsk. She was noticed by a scout Guia Jikidze (he also found Natalia Vodianova , Eugenia Volodina, Polina Kuklina, Elena Melnik, Olga Sherer and many others), and he told Irina that she should become a model and start modeling in Europe, and in 2005 she came to Paris. She started her career pretty late, at the age of 19. In the beginning it was very difficult for her, as she didn't speak English at all and everything was new but soon Irina was working in Europe and in USA and felt at ease during the most complicated shootings.

    In 2007 Irina became the face of Intimissimi lingerie, taking over from Ana Beatriz Barros and she was making this campaign for 3 years in a row, being perfect for it with her body of a goddess and Mediterranean looks. She also starred in an Intimissimi commercial photographed by Greg Cadel in 2009.

    The same year Irina got international recognition when she appeared in the prestigious Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition of 2007. The location for the photographs and video in this edition was the White Stallion Ranch in Tuscon, Arizona. Irina Shayk, her skimpy lingerie dwarfed by the cowboy hat, workers gloves and a bullwhip became a real sensation. Since 2007 she appears every year in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, working with such world wide known photographers as Pamela Hanson, Steve Erle, Riccardo Tinelli, Rennio Maifredi and Raphael Mazucco and shooting in the most beautiful places such as St Petersburg, Naples a, Grenada and Chile.

    Since 2007 Irina’s work has been featured in major ad campaigns for La Perla (ph. Maifredi), Lacoste, Paciotti 4US (ph Mariano Vivanco), Guess (ph. Yu Tsai, Bryan Adams) , Germaine de Capuccini (ph Rafa Gallar), Beach Bunny (ph. Yu Tsai) and Armani Exchange (ph Matthew Scrivens).

    She was a “Guess Girl” for 3 seasons, embodying its philosophy “Sophisticated. Feminine. Unapologetically sexy.”

    In 2010 Irina became a face of Armani Exchange spring-summer campaign photographed by Matthew Scrivens.

    She appeared in such fashion magazines as V magazine, Italian Spanish and Russian Elle, Italian Vanity Fair, Russian Jalouse, View of the times, Woman, French Marie Claire, GQ france, spain, Paris Capitale, German Glamour.

    The world’s best photographers were working with Irina and admired her beauty and talent: Mariano Vivanco, Peter Beard, Vincent Peters, Tesh, Yu Tsai, Bettina Rheims, Raphael Mazucco, Rafa Gallar, Pamela Hanson, Txema Yeste, Ranjit Grewal, Michael Schultz, Kenneth Willardt, Steve Earle, Riccardo Tinelli, Matt Jones, James Macari and many others.

    In 2008 Irina appeared in a promotion for the Ryan Leslie single Diamond Girl, and she inspired Ryan for producing a song “I-R-I-N-A”.

    Irina’s sensual beauty was featured in in Bettina Rheims’ exhibition “Just like a woman”.

    In 2009 when Irina became the face of Beach Bunny swimwear she made her own design of 2 swimsuts. "Because of my job I have had the opportunity to try on and model thousands of swimsuits. I think that I can design practical and beautiful swimsuits that can be worn by any woman who wants to feel sexy and confident."- says Irina. Her swimsuits have been shot for 2010

    Sports Illustrated swimwear issue.

    She was chosen by a famous make up artist Scott Barnes as a model for his book “About Face” which was out in 2010.

    Irina was photographed by Peter Beard for his latest book that is out in 2010.

    2010 was very important year for Irina – she was on the cover of GQ SA which had a great success, Ocean Drive magazine and had a beautiful shoot for GQ USA. Irina received a lot of attention from press all over the world.

    Kanye West invited her for the main part in his project “Power” directed by artist Marco Brambilla.

    In 2010 Irina became the ambassador for Intimissimi.

    The same year Irina started her charity projects. She always wanted to help children and she is helping a maternity hospital in my home town. The hospital was in a very poor condition and Irina provided money for its renovation and also bought some stuff for abandoned children like furniture, food, diapers. She has several other charity projects and she wants to do my best to help children - in Russia there are a lot of families that can't afford paying the costly medical treatment for their children and Irina wants to draw attention to the problems of such families and help collecting donations for them.

    Irina’s magnificent body and emerald-green eyes won her the place in many prestigious top rankings. She is the 18th in 20 sexiest models on models.com and the 57th in 100 hottest supermodels on zimbio.com.

    Irina is very attached to her family which lives in Russia and adores her little niece Irina who was named after her. 

    Irina travels a lot but she resides in NY.

    She loves animals and has a pet dog Cesare.

    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.154.27 (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    It sounds like you are trying to write an article. Please find some standard advice below.

    A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

    Thank you.

    You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
    Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
    If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is available to walk you through creating an article, but you will need to create an account to use it. if you don't wish to do so, you can submit a proposal for an article at Articles for Creation. TNXMan 19:38, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia already has an article on Irina Shayk (the page was created in February 2007). Haploidavey (talk) 23:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Authorization to copy the abstracts from a Journal. How should I manage this information.

    I received the authorization from the editor of the "Journal of Medical Biography" to copy (with a reference) the abstracts of his journal to WP: 

      From: M Richardson
  To: User:Plindenbaum
  
  Thank you for your enquiry about reproducing Royal Society of Medicine
  Press Ltd copyright material from the Journal of Medical Biography in
  items for wikipedia.
  
  We are happy for you to reproduce abstracts from this journal, provided
  that a suitable form of acknowledgment is given linking them in each
  case to the source, together with the line, 'reproduced by permission of
  The Royal Society of Medicine Press Ltd'.
  
  Unfortunately we are unable to give permission for you to upload any
  pictures or fuller text content.
  
 I hope this answers your question.
    • if I get the same kind of authorization from some other academic journals, where should I store this information ?
    • if possible, is there a way to avoid the bots to flag the pages as copyvio ?

    Thanks, --Plindenbaum (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Follow the procedure set out at WP:IOWN to send the permissions to OTRS. Once received and confirmed, the talk page(s) of the relevant article(s) will be tagged accordingly. Note, however, that permission to use only on Wikipedia is insufficient. There is no mechanism to "store" the material anywhere on Wikipedia. If you are merely citing the journal it must be verifiable, so use of a proper citation template, in this case {{Cite journal}} is recommended. – ukexpat (talk) 20:14, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks!--Plindenbaum (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Where would you use such information? I can't think of any situation where you'd need to cut and paste the whole abstract of an article? --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    @Gameron, you're right, but sometimes an abstract can be a good source to start an article. e.g: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17153285 --Plindenbaum (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Image file won't revert

    I'm trying to revert the following image file File:DSC02747.JPG to it's original image, so I can split it, rename both versions, and move them to the commons, but every time I try to revert to the old version, it keeps going back to the new one, and I can't remove the errant revisions. Can somebody fix this problem? ----DanTD (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    On my computer, it's showing the older version rather than the newer version - I'm seeing the Phil-hong version of the image rather than the IRT.BMT.IND one (all 4 of your reverts seemed to have worked from what I can see!) -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 22:20, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunatley, none of them did. All the attempted reverts put the one by IRT.BMT.IND on top, and the three other times I tried to revert it, the one by Phil.hong came before that. ----DanTD (talk) 22:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    UPDATE - Hmm. Suddenly it went back to the original. Something must've changed. ----DanTD (talk) 23:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Current fundraiser

    Hi. Where can I find documentation and statistics regarding this year's fundraiser? Cheers, Randomblue (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC).[reply]

    Please see m:Fundraising 2010 and the many links off of that page. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    September 3

    How Do I Create a Page for a Term Automatically Redirecting to Another Page?

    I want to create a page for Russell Hantz, who was a contestant on Survivor: Samoa and Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains. Right now, typing Russell Hantz will just redirect you to Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains, but I want to create a page that talks about his key moves in both seasons as well as his personal life. How do I create a page for a term that automatically redirects to another page?

    RandJshow (talk) 03:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    When you click on Russell Hantz, you'll be redirected to the Survivor article as you mentioned. At the top of that article, you'll see a link (under the Survivor title) back to the RHantz redirect. Click that. You can then edit Hantz's article. Before you do all that though, make sure that Hantz is notable per WP:BIO. Just because he was on the show, that doesn't mean that he deserves his own article. Dismas|(talk) 03:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Russell Hantz was merged per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Hantz (2nd nomination). Please do not recreate this in articlespace. Instead, create a draft in your userspace— I suggest using the Wikipedia:Article wizard. Once you thing you are done, put it up for Wikipedia:Peer review. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 03:23, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Just to confirm so I don't waste a lot of time, I can't create his page the normal way, but if I create it in my userspace and put it up for review, it will be posted if it's approved, right? RandJshow (talk) 03:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    To be honest i think your wasting your time it was recently deleted...But that said you could make it in ---> User:RandJshow/sandbox and after you think its ok simply ask for a peer review... But before that read Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Cite_sources and Wikipedia:References.... Moxy (talk) 03:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    You should also read Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Notability. It is important to be able to show that he meets one of those guidelines. ~~ GB fan ~~ 04:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Don't we mean Requests for feedback rather than Peer review? – ukexpat (talk) 17:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Historical diff of a moved page

    At Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists we are having trouble finding a historical diff for one of the WP:CUP finalists who changed user names during the competition. How can I find historical diffs for Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/Coldplay Expert which has been moved to Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions/White Shadows?

    The page history moves when a page is moved so the "history" link works on the new name and I'm not sure what your problem is. Can you be more specific? The history of the original name [1] only shows the move. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    another editor to my account

    Hello Wikipedia,

    I have recently created an account with Wikipedia. It is frozen now because it gave me a message saying the another editor is editing my page and is asking me if I am the real owner of my account with Wikipedia and I can not edit my page any more.?--E:Y,?:G (talk) 06:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't see any notice on your talk page advising you that anything has been done to your account. It is possible that you encountered an edit conflict because you and the person posting a welcome message on your talk page were trying to edit that talk page at the same time. This is nothing to worry about and is quite normal. Dismas|(talk) 06:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not positive, but I think this is more than an edit conflict - normally I would have thought so too, but the bit about asking me if I am the real owner of my account with Wikipedia made me pause. E:Y,?:G, can you paste the exact message you got here (assuming that it occurs again)? -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    How to report an abuser coordinator?

    Resolved
     – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 04:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The coordinator used what powers he has to force his point of view. How can I get a third party to help me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaboha (talk • contribs) 06:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Perusing your contributions, I find no specific mod to which you are referring. For a 3rd opinion, please see WP:3O and follow the directions to list your conflict. However, I strongly suggest you wait till someone responds to you, as I fail to see that a discussion is in progress. Protector of Wiki (talk) 07:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Did you have a specific person with whom you are upset? TNXMan 13:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the help. It is has been resolved.Jaboha (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Dutch Het

    Moved to Wikipedia:Reference Desk/Language § Dutch Het
     – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 17:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Discussions moved
    ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 17:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I need to know what het means in Dutch. I found it used everywhere and looks to be a definite article. In this instance please: "Usils- genitivus van Usil, Sol, zon (in het Sabijns: Ausel)".Zanzan32 (talk) 08:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I've copied this to the Language Reference Desk for you. This Help Desk is for questions about Wikipedia itself. Rojomoke (talk) 10:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Google Map

    I was thinking of putting onto an article a map of the town where a murder occurred, marking all the key events, i.e. something like this: File:Moors murders map.jpg. Would using a screenshot of the the Google Map to work on break copyright laws? If so are there any other available maps to use, or should I create it myself?--EchetusXe 09:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Google Maps is copyrighted, so you can't use a screenshot of a map in an article like you want. If you want an image with as much detail as File:Moors murders map.jpg, you'll probably have to create your own. Another option (likely with less detail) is to use {{Location map}}. For example:
    {{Location map | California
| lat_deg = 34
| lat_min = 4
| lat_sec = 23
| lat_dir = N
| lon_deg = 118
| lon_min = 23
| lon_sec = 58
| lon_dir = W
| label = Label
| alt = Alt label
}}
    Alt label
    Alt label
    Label
    Label (California)
    creates the image on the right. It'll use another template based on the location name (I used "California" so it used Template:Location map California) so make sure that one exists for the area you want in Category:Location map templates. --Mysdaao talk 12:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Might I suggest OpenStreetMap? Magog the Ogre (talk) 12:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll use OpenStreetMap, thanks!--EchetusXe 12:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    If you upload your map to Wikimedia Commons (the preferred upload destination, so all the Wikipedias can use your map), put it into Commons:Category:OpenStreetMap maps by placing the Commons:Template:OpenStreetMap template on it. --Teratornis (talk) 04:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Same page, different languages?

    I'm sure there is a policy on this some where. I just don't know the answer. I was looking to find the german and spanish term for Raster graphics. I found the english here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raster_graphic

    I wanted to find the pages in spanish an german but noticed there was no link to the equivalent pages in those languages. Is there a policy of not cross linking between language versions of wikipedia?

    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A1fico_rasterizado

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastergrafik

    If cross linking is allowed I'd love to update that page with the correct links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by STHayden (talk • contribs) 14:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I see links to the equivalent pages listed on the very left-hand side of the page. The links are marked Deutsch and Español. You may also want to look at WP:Interwiki links for more info. TNXMan 14:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    What is the procedure when an RS has not updated their site?

    What is Wikipedia's procedure when an RS has not updated their site, though the facts on the ground have changed since they last updated? My question this time regards Scouting. http://www.scout.org/ is the best RS, but infrequently and haphazardly updated, understandably as they are busy running the world's largest youth movement. Per http://www.scout.org/en/about_scouting/facts_figures/census , "There are 6 countries without Scouting." This was true, it is no longer true, they just haven't updated it. Those nations are Andorra, Burma, Cuba, Laos, North Korea and formerly the PRC, however see Scout Association of the People's Republic of China and http://sac.clubspaces.com/Default_css.aspx . How then should we proceed in the face of this? The RS is outdated but it's the most RS.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:23, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    PS-per http://www.scout.org/en/around_the_world/countries/scouting_elsewhere , last update was Friday 12 June 2009.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Nothing says that any reliable source is perfect. If two reliable sources contradict each other, editorial judgment is required. This kind of thing is what footnotes are for. Change it to "5", show both sources in the footnote, and note that the update time of the main source lags the inception date of the new scouting organization.—Kww(talk) 16:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I raised concerns about this being synthesis here some time ago. DuncanHill (talk) 17:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    {{As of}} can be used for potentially dated statements, and the source can sometimes be mentioned in the body of the article when relevant, for example: As of December 2009 there are 6 countries where scouting does not exist to the knowledge of the World Organization of the Scout Movement. (follow with inline reference to [2]) PrimeHunter (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a simple math problem, and doesn't approach a WP:OR/WP:SYNTH violation. Certainly the information and contradiction needs to be addressed in a footnote, but this kind of routine discrepancy doesn't rise to the kind of problem that needs to be detailed in the main article.—Kww(talk) 17:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    It's primarily a question of reliable sources. Is a Clubspaces site a reliable source for Wikipedia? DuncanHill (talk) 17:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a valid question. I answered based on the idea that one reliable source contradicted another. If one source is considered substantially less reliable, then the discrepancy should be highlighted in the article text, not placed in a footnote.—Kww(talk) 18:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Standard time zone

    If I want to list 'March 3, 2002, 12:56 PM, EST' as a date for when something was published in a reference in the {{Cite web}}, do I need to convert it to a different time zone like UTC? --Devourer09 17:16, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Can you be more specific about the case? I'm not sure what the relevance is. Do you want to include the time of day in the reference? We generally don't do that but there might be a reason in rare situations, for example to let readers know that the source may have other information than was known later in the day. Or do you want to know which date should be given if the date is different for local time of the source and UTC? If the source is dated and the time of day is not important then you should normally just state the date given by the source without specifying a time zone. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Is there a particular reason why the time is needed? I generally use just dd Mmmmmmm yyyy when citing websites/news/etc. Unless it is something which changes often within a day, I'm not sure of the need of the time. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 18:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Gen Joseph Taluto General Commanded Infantry Divition Vew York

    Dear Sir, Tell me about Gen Joseph Taluto his current location and contact details. regards, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.157.217.15 (talk) 18:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    You might find what you are looking for in the article about Joseph Taluto. If you cannot find the answer there, you can try asking your question at Wikipedia's Reference Desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except about how to use Wikipedia, which is what this help desk is for). I hope this helps.Template:Z39 TNXMan 18:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    New Listing

    Hi, How would I post a new listing on Wikipedia? thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lauraalfred (talk • contribs) 18:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    A Wizard is available to walk you through these steps. See the Article Wizard.

    Thank you.

    Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines with which all articles should comply. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
    Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.
    If you still think an article is appropriate, see Wikipedia:Your first article. You might also look at Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. An Article Wizard is also available to walk you through creating an article. TNXMan 18:50, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note that Wikipedia is not a directory for "listings", it is an encyclopedia containing articles about notable subjects. So please read the links in Tnxman's reply very carefully. – ukexpat (talk) 18:55, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dear Lauraalfred, Kindly do clarify what exactly your question is... In case you wish to introduce a new list in Wikipedia, one should recommend that you read the following three articles thoroughly before embarking upon the exercise->
    Our portal on lists, Portal:Contents/Lists of topics would be an interesting read too. At the same time, in case you wish to write a new article, the first answer above by Tnxman should be an appropriate reference point. Do write back for further support. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 19:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    fullurl and external data

    Resolved
     –  – ukexpat (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Now posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#fullurl and external data

    The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    I want to use the {{{name}}} in fullurl: like this: [{{fullurl:template:abc{{{name}}}|action=edit}}] however, i can't seem to make this work. Is there any other way to make this work?--Hengsheng120 (talk) 20:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    You will probably get a quicker response at the techie pump. – ukexpat (talk) 20:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

    Where do I report hoaxes ?

    I think the article on Paulius Galaunė is a hoax, but the edit filter will not let me delete. Anton dvsk (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    What makes you think it is a hoax? --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes#Dealing with hoaxes and stop deleting random parts of the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    There seem to be some web references, but I would think there is some question of WP:NOTABILITY. Perhaps you should propose deletion and see what happens. -- Q Chris (talk) 22:15, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Seems fairly notable to me. Haploidavey (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    September 4

    Need a Translation of Kanji

    Moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk/language § Help Desk Query
     – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 04:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Discussions moved
    ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 04:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Kanji - Miyazaki The first part of the Kanji, the Surname, says Miyazaki but I don't know what the second part, the First Name, says. So far I've found three possibilities:

    • Miyazaki Shigesaburo
    • Miyazaki Shuichi
    • Miyazaki Takeshi

    --Arima (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The best venue for this would be wp:Reference desk/language, which specialises in er, Language questions!220.101 talk\Contribs03:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It's Miyazaki Shigesaburō. Oda Mari (talk) 04:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Nested deletions

    Apologies if this is not the correct area for this comment but I could not find any other place to put this point- which in itself represents a comment on the structure of Wikipedia*.

    A reference in a TV broadcast led me to make a Google query which directed me to Wikipedia. On arrival I found that the article had been deleted (WP:ONEEVENT) and subsumed into a different article (location of the event) - which had been deleted by someone else, on the grounds that the information was duplicated elsewhere, with a link to a third article (another individual apparently connected with the location in some way), which had in turn been deleted by a third person (under Wp:WP:ONEEVENT), so now no information on any of these headings exists anywhere under any obvious headword, and I still don't know what was going on...

    I appreciate the need to delete/consolidate/restructure things but when a headword is deleted please can this be done in a way that avoids loss of information? Here the loss seems to have happened because someone decided that the article on the second individual should be kept and the article on the location deleted, rather than the other way about, then someone else decided that the second person wasn't noteworthy anyway - so there goes the information on the first person

    • The reason for looking things up - surely the purpose of any encyclopedia- is usually an attempt to rectify a lack of knowledge.

    Given this lack of knowledge of a topic e (a) it's not easy to guess what other heading the (deleted (deleted (deleted))) information may be residing under, if it still exists at all. (b) being told that one can write one's own article on the missing topic is not helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.239.47 (talk) 02:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    No kidding! Acceptably amusing account. Leave a link here. We'll see what can be done. Leaving that, this is the way we operate. Sh#t happens.203.88.8.1 (talk) 02:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    What you should do is tell us what was the original article and what was the secondary article and what was the thirdary article (I just made up that word) and then we can look at the deleted content and see if it should be resurrected. Answer may be for exampe, that the information was unsourced and was contentious and about a living person and should not have been retained in any corner of the encyclopedia. Or it may be that the concatenation of the deletions really led to good content being lost, or something else, or in between. It's very hard to know in the hypothetical.--71.183.175.115 (talk) 02:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The word you're looking for is tertiary. Dismas|(talk) 02:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) Many inappropriate things are deleted from Wikipedia and shouldn't be kept in any article. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. It's impossible to evaluate your case without knowing any of the page names or people. There can be more than one reason to delete a page so if a stated reason, for example that the information exists in another article, becomes wrong then it doesn't necessarily mean that the page should be restored. Google takes a varying amount of time to discover deletions and changes at Wikipedia pages. Wikipedia doesn't control Google's update schedule but you can click "cached" on a Google search page to see the page version indexed by Google. You can use Wikipedia's own search function to search names, locations or other things in Wikipedia, but this function also takes time to update for performance reasons. Deleted Wikipedia pages are only visible to administrators. This is partly for legal reasons like possible libel and copyright violations. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Where Should I Post Full Articles to be Reviewed?

    I'm written an article for Russell Hantz, although previous articles about him have been deleted. This guy is very notable as he won Survivor's "Player of the Season" award in back to back seasons and is considered by many to be the best and most evil person to ever play the game. There are also many other less notable Survivor contestants with Wikipedia pages too. I don't want to make a post about him, just to have it deleted and not be able to do anything about it. Is there a place I can post the full article before I post it on his page? RandJshow (talk) 03:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Looking it over, I can say that the #1 problem with your article is that it does not demonstrate notability. At Wikipedia, it is not enough that a subject's notability be asserted by merely describing their activities, it must be proven by clearly showing that someone outside of Wikipedia, and independant of the subject, has written extensively about it in reliable sources. To break it down another way, before it can survive, the article must clearly show, by use of cited references that people have written books, magazine articles, newspaper articles, etc. about him, and that those writings are considered reliable as defined by Wikipedia:Reliable sources. As it stands now, it looks like the only real info we have comes from the TV show itself, which is not sufficient to establish notability. Please note that, quite often, this is not your fault, and sometimes there can be nothing you can do about this. If there are no books or articles in existance about him, then he's just not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. --Jayron32 03:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    There's a ton of magazine, newspaper, and internet articles about him. I just didn't originally list them all because I wanted to make sure the article itself was good enough before I spent time adding the references. However, my updated article has the references, so I'm wanting to know where I should post it for review. RandJshow (talk) 04:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Three references is not what I would call "a ton", and three short ones at that. Having is name appear in an article is not the same thing as the article being about him. Have you thought about becoming a contributor at the [Survivor Wiki]? They would likely gladly look forward to your contributions, and they have a very different set of standards than does Wikipedia. --Jayron32 04:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You can post a note at WP:FEED with a link to the userspace draft and volunteers will look at the article and give their opinion of the article. ~~ GB fan ~~ 04:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Dear RandJShow, kindly use the page User:RandJshow/sandbox for creating your article. Do please note, this is only a temporary sandbox for proving notability of your article, post which, the article may be moved to the mainspace or might be deleted, in case it doesn't qualify on Wikipedia's notability requirements. Once you believe you've edited the article completely, leave a note here or on my talk page and we'll take a look at it and guide you appropriately. Before you create the article, necessarily go through the following articles:

    If there is any other way you need assistance, feel free to leave a message again. Warm regards. ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 05:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    (edit conflict × 2):This sounds familiar. We had a Russell Hantz article which was merged and redirected to Survivor: Samoa, then again in August to Survivor: Heroes vs. Villains. Here is a link to a version of the article that you might wish to compare with yours to see if it is for any reason more likely to be retained.

    Thanks a lot for your help. The current problem with having Russell Hantz redirect to Survivors: Heroes vs. Villains is that readers will learn nothing about his appearance on Survivor: Samoa, arrest, or personal life. Hantz was hated by many, so is it possible his page was deleted from users that just didn't like him? If you look at this page, you can view a list of Survivor contestants with Wikipedia pages about them. Many of their pages have as much or less information than what the deleted Russell article had, so I'm not sure why it makes sense to delete his but keep theirs. RandJshow (talk) 05:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I haven't looked at the other contestants articles or at your RH article either. But... WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you with figuring out why other articles exist while yours does not (yet). Dismas|(talk) 06:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I just posted the article on the Russell Hantz page. Everything posted came from the show or the 3 references I listed. If it needs more references or better quality of references, let me know. I'll improve the formatting of the page once it's approved. Also, the "h" in his last name needs to be capitalized in the title, but I'm not sure how to do that. Thanks.

    RandJshow (talk) 06:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I am gravely sorry about this (I know you worked very hard on the article), but as mentioned above, consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russell Hantz (2nd nomination) (a mere month ago) lay in merging the content and redirecting. That's it. Russell Hantz was protected indefinitely, so you can do absolutely nothing about that. I suggest you find a more worthy topic about which to write. Protector of Wiki (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Huh? He can't still go through WP:DELREV? Dismas|(talk) 07:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    That's absolutely ridiculous. First of all, I asked about that protection yesterday and was told I may have a chance of getting my article posted. Can I at least try to appeal this again? He's probably the most famous Survivor contestant ever, so to allow other Survivor and reality show contestants their own Wikipedia page but not him makes no sense at all.

    RandJshow (talk) 07:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    There have been a couple of suggestions above as to how to proceed. I suggested you leave a note at WP:FEED providing a link to the copy of the article in your userspace so that others can review the article and maybe provide feedback as to how to make it so that it doesn't get deleted or redirected again. Someone else recommended the WP:INCUBATOR. That is another place where other editors can comment on or improve the article before it makes it to the mainspace. Both suggestions will allow editors who are use to improving articles the chance to look at it, comment on it and improve on it. ~~ GB fan ~~ 07:34, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I just left a note on the WP:FEED. Is there any chance he'll get his own page by doing this or should I just give up? I REALLY think he deserves his own Wikipedia page and it makes no sense that he doesn't, but I don't want to waste a lot of time just to find out there's nothing I can do that will help since it's protected indefinitely.

    RandJshow (talk) 08:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    To be fair, RandJ, it was strongly suggested that you put the article up at WP:FEED days ago and you didn't. You marched right on past the recommendations by more experienced editors and replaced the redirect with your version of the article. An article that you were told would need more than the three references that you supplied even though you said that there were "a ton". And now, only after having the redirect protected indefinitely have you put the article up at WP:FEED. Please, next time, listen to what people are trying to tell you more carefully.
    Indefinitely doesn't mean forever though. If you do supply evidence that he is notable, yes, there's a good chance that the article can be reinstated. But you'll have to demonstrate that evidence. Dismas|(talk) 08:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    GBfan, I actually didn't start working on this until yesterday (not days ago), and you told me to do a Peer Review. After I did the Peer Review, they deleted it because that wasn't the correct place to post full articles. After that, I was told to post the article on Russell's page, so I did, but that was deleted right away. I was then told there's nothing I can do to post the article, but now you're saying there is.

    Please, don't get mad at me for listening to people that are telling me to do the wrong thing.

    RandJshow (talk) 08:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    And even then, at Peer Review, you were advised: I can tell you that the draft contains no (zero) references and needs them to prove notability. The article also reads like a fan club page now - it goes into way too much detail. (emphasis added by me) Dismas|(talk) 09:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The first thing I mentioned above the article in the Peer Review was that I wanted to know if this person seemed notable based on the content I wrote, and if so, I'll add the references later.

    Also, the article was unbiased, so I don't know why that person said it was like a fan club page. I did however shorten it to make it easier to read.

    Right now, I listed 3 references, not counting the fact that most of the information about him came from the 2 seasons he appeared on Survivor. If all I need to do is add more references to make him seem more notable, I can do that without a problem.

    Let's not play the blame game anymore. I just want to get my article posted with as little trouble as possible.

    RandJshow (talk) 09:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I am sorry, there is not going to be any easy way to do this. You need to show that he is notable according to general notability or {biography specific guidelines. They way to do that is to add reliable sources to the draft in your userspace that show he has had significant coverage in multiple sources. When you think you have shown that he meets those notability guidelines then when other editors look at it, if they agree with you, it can be moved on top of the protected redirect. Once an article is deleted or redirected by WP:AFD it takes more work to get it recreated. ~~ GB fan ~~ 09:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The AfD had sufficient consensus to merge and redirect. It was almost unanimous, save for one keep vote. Chances of overturning the close are slim. Protector of Wiki (talk) 21:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm pretty sure the people who voted on merging saw the show and just hated him, because their reasons for it are ridiculous. They say he's done nothing notable outside of the last season he was on, even though he was on for 2 seasons and won Player of the Season both times, changed the future of Survivor, had an arrest that got a lot of coverage, and owns some successful companies. If they're going to use that reasoning, they might as well merge Obama with Presidents as he's done nothing notable outside of his presidency. They'll also need to spend time merging the thousands of other less notable reality show contestants to the show they were on.

    If I'm going to spend more time on this, is there a chance I'll deal with people that may have their head screwed on straight? If not, can you have them spend time merging every Survivor contestant from this list with the season they were on?

    RandJshow (talk) 22:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    I also made a post to the WP:Feed earlier, but haven't heard anything back about it. I don't see anybody else with a response from their requests either. Does anybody even provide help there or am I looking in the wrong place?

    RandJshow (talk) 22:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    (Disclaimer: As an outside observer, I haven't read the full discussion) Please calm down. You're edging on WP:NPA. If you're going to write an article that has already been deleted, try to review the reasons for deletion (for example, non-notability, since Survivor is in general a non-notable show) and make sure to address those concerns when making the article. First try to develop your ideas for the article in your sandbox. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 22:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry if I sound more upset than I am. I just feel their reasoning is extremely unfair. Why allow thousands of other less notable reality show contestants their own page but not him? He has more Survivor fans than any other contestant on the show and many of them probably come on here to learn more about him but are unable to. How does it even hurt if he has his own page? Worst case scenario, the reader would learn about the 2 seasons he appeared on the show, but that's not the case. I've already spent a lot of time on the article, but I don't want to do everything I can to prove these people wrong on why he should have his own page, just to have to them come up with another ridiculous reason to delete his page.

    RandJshow (talk) 22:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Beg for mercy, Other crap exists. Frankly, voters at the AfD had solid reasoning to redirect the article. Russell Hantz is notable only for his participation at Survivor, allowing WP:ONEEVENT to apply. Once again I suggest you waste no more time on this arguing, because your effort is futile. You may continue making false allegations, but they aren't going to help your case. Protector of Wiki (talk) 23:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Either you all haven't seen the show or just hate his guts. He clearly wasn't just a participant, he won $100,000 award twice for being America's favorite player and changed the future of the show forever. There's probably tons of people coming on this site to learn more about him, but are unable to. All they can learn about him from his redirect is his season from Heroes vs. Villains, even though he was also on Samoa, so the WP:ONEEVENT shouldn't even apply. And that's not even counting his arrest that got a ton of coverage.

    All I'm just trying to do is provide information to people who want to learn more about Russell Hantz. I didn't come hear to argue. If you all want to block information that much of the public would like to learn about, that's your right, but please don't lie and accuse me of making false allegations when I clearly haven't made any.

    RandJshow (talk) 23:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Why not improve the article and show this guy is notable, instead of moaning about how unfair it is? And if you believe there are articles about "less notable reality show contestants", why not improve them too or propose them for deletion? Astronaut (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    That's exactly what I'm trying to do, but everyone here is either giving me bad advice or telling me there's absolutely nothing I can do.

    I don't actually think other reality show contestants should have their pages deleted. I love learning about their personal lives. I just don't see how it makes sense how people who appear on a reality show once and don't even win anything can have a page about them, but not someone who makes it to the end of a show and wins the "Player of the Season" award and $100,000 twice.

    RandJshow (talk) 23:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    You are making a false allegation that people either hate him or haven't seen the show. I never said I hate him. I love learning about their personal lives. Sure, but WP:ILIKEIT and WP:POPULARPAGE don't hold up at AfD. He . . . changed the future of the show forever. Speculation isn't helpful either. You may bring it up at WP:DRV, but the chances of having a standalone article are very, very slim. Best of luck, Protector of Wiki (talk) 00:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Also, I should note that Russell Hantz played 2 major roles in 2 major events (not just minor role in major event or vice versa) and a has a huge fan base, which should be enough to make him notable.

    Is there 1 person I can contact that knows the best way I should handle this? I've already been given bad advice 3 times on where to post my article and it seems like everyone else is telling me to give up or trying to start an argument with me. All I want to do is get this article posted with as little trouble as possible.

    RandJshow (talk) 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia does not base notability on number of fans. All I want to do is get this article posted with as little trouble as possible. Do you have a personal investment in this? If so, please reveal it per WP:COI. Protector of Wiki (talk) 00:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I have asked GorillaWarfare to comment here. Protector of Wiki (talk) 00:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia does not base notability on number of fans. Wikipedia may need to change their Notability page for people because it clearly states that people in TV with a huge fan base can be considered notable.

    My only personal investment in this is that I'm a huge fan and spent a lot of time writing the article. I personally don't know Russell.

    RandJshow (talk) 00:46, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    News front-page suggestions

    Resolved
     – ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪ ―Œ ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣ 04:59, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Naive question... but where do the discussions about the news section of the Main page go on? Shadowjams (talk) 04:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Click on the discussion tab for the main page. In that big box at the top of the page it says to put suggestions for ITN at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates. Dismas|(talk) 04:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Facepalm Thanks. Shadowjams (talk) 04:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    No problem. We've all done it. Dismas|(talk) 05:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Scientific papers

    Is there a place for scientific papers such as Low dimensional chaos in stellar pulsations and Stellar pulsation theory – Regular versus irregular variability in Wikipedia, or do they violate the no original research policy? Astronaut (talk) 07:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Panorama picture

    Hi, I translated this article to put it in English WP and intend to use the same panorama picture in the same way. I tried several methods to let it show the same size without success. Can someone help? Regards, --Spartanbu (talk) 07:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Try this markup: {{wide image|Panorma_Jerusalem_vomHospiz_JPEG.jpg|750px|Jerusalem: A city of two nations with neighborhoods, buildings and holy sites of all three Abrahamic religions.}}. It displays the below image.
    Jerusalem: A city of two nations with neighborhoods, buildings and holy sites of all three Abrahamic religions.
    Astronaut (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, Astronaut --Spartanbu (talk) 07:58, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    New articles which were redirects

    Wikipedia seems to have problems detecting that a new article is a new article if it was converted from a redirect. They dont appear on NEW PAGES and last time i checked any new articles i converted from a redirect werent recorded against my user name in my user stats as being new articles created by me. Also is {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} (currently 6,866,913) accurate ? Does it allow for conversions from redirects to new articles ? --Penbat (talk) 07:40, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    If a redirect is converted to an article, this is seen by the Wiki software as a straight forward edit - you are changing [[#REDIRECT xxxx]] to other text. As such, it does not become a new page - it is still the old page, but with new content. Also, as far as I am aware, the number of articles includes all "former redirects" - when #REDIRECT is removed, it is no longer an redirect but an article -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    In which case new articles converted from redirects, as they dont seem to appear on NEW PAGES, arnt subject to the scrutiny of new page patrol that new articles do. It seems like a good wheeze to set up a redirect then later replace it with some sort of garbage article (such as a hoax or spam or BLP violation) and there is a fair chance it wont get detected as garbage for a while at the very least.--Penbat (talk) 10:19, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually it looks like redirect to article has just now very recently become detectable by Wiki software as i did one a few days ago and it included a "(Redirect becoming article)" edit summary see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Institutional_abuse&action=history MediaWiki:Tag-Redirect becoming article-description--Penbat (talk) 10:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    "intitle" and "lookfrom" Wikipedia search options for finding section titles ?

    I find the "intitle" and "lookfrom" Wikipedia search options (as in intitle:"search phrase" and lookfrom:"search phrase") to be very useful to find articles relating to a subject of interest.

    However it would also be useful if i could look for section titles within articles using "intitle" and "lookfrom" rather than just article titles. I bet there are plenty of sections tucked away which would be of interest to me and i might llke to link to.

    If it isnt possible with standard Wiki software, perhaps somebody could do a couple of searches for me on my behalf using specialist Wiki software.--Penbat (talk) 08:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    This is probably best discussed either at the Village Pump, or a "bug" reported at Wikimedia's bugzilla -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    thx --Penbat (talk) 10:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    SAFE DRINKING WATER

    i WANT STANDARD/SPECIFICATIONS FOR SAFE DRINKING WATER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.205.101.118 (talk) 15:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Have you tried the Science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38 TNXMan 15:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    statistics support

    Can somebody help? Thx, Hæggis (talk) 16:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Pictures sizes within body of an article

    Does the MOS or other policy say anything about the size of pictures in an article text? Pritish Nandy Communications is gaining quite a few pictures and besides making it look like a glossy advert, they break up the text. Should they be smaller? --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia:Images#Image choice and placement may be relevant. The guideline states that 'Articles that use more than one image should present a variety of material near relevant text', implying images should not be purely decorative. I think it would be acceptable to remove one or two from that article. Intelligentsium 18:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    How can I reduce the size of pictures? --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    The image syntax should be something like [[File:Imagename.jpg|thumb|XXXpx|An optional comment or caption.]] (not necessarily in that order), where 'XXX' is a number. By making 'XXX' smaller or larger, you can make the image smaller or larger, respectively. If there is no parameter 'XXX', you can add one at any point after the file name. Intelligentsium 21:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I was going to say the images should use the default size defined in the user's preferences, but they already do that (ie. there is "thumb" and "left"/"right" but no "...px" in the markup for the images). However, such copyrighted images as the movie posters should not be used simply to illustrate the article about the production company, I've removed them. Astronaut (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    When pulling up Wikipedia, the print is really HUGE!!! Other sites and windows I pull up are not like this, so I figure maybe it's a wikipedia issue?

    If you have info on how to reduce the print on my laptop for your site, please tell me how.

    Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.125.22.142 (talk) 22:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

    This issue is most likely on your side; Wikipedia should not be displaying a large font. Have you tried scrolling your mouse wheel back whilst holding Ctrl? Intelligentsium 22:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    You can press Ctrl+0 to return to the normal font size, or Ctrl+- to decrease the font size. Protector of Wiki (talk) 22:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    If that doesn't work, it may be a problem with your cache. See Wikipedia:Bypassing your cache. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 22:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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