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A-class review proposal

A-class review

I suggest that the project start up an A-class review section for articles within its scope. At present, there is no such review area within the project. If A-class reviews were done by independent reviewers within the project, the process would run much more smoothly. Not only that, but the project would be able to maintain and keep a record of all such reviews on articles within its scope. The WikiProject France template could be updated with an A-Class=current. The process for requesting a reviw would be as follows:

  1. Add A-Class=current to the WikiProject France template at the top of the article's talk page, and click on the "currently undergoing" link that appears then write up your nomination.
  2. Add your nomination (via transclusion) to the review section.
  3. Members from the project review the article.
  4. A coordinator/member of the project closes the review, and (if successful) the article is tagged and listed as A-Class.

At present, this project does not have coordinators, as it is too small, and does not have enough participants. However, coordinators may be proposed in the future. I believe that an A-class review section would be greatly beneficial to this project. Jordan Contribs 20:56, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. I support the initiation of an A-class review department for this project. Jordan Contribs 21:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Neutral

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Discussion concerning French titles for works of art

There is an ongoing discussion that concerns Wikipedia:Manual of Style (France & French-related)#Works of art. In short, some editors believe that this guideline contradicts WP:V, and that for example Entre gris clair et gris foncé should be moved to Entre Gris Clair et Gris Foncé because this is how it is spelled by verifiable English-language sources like Allmusic [1] and Billboard [2]. Interested editors are invited to comment over at WT:ALBUM#Capitalization of foreign-name albums and songs. – IbLeo(talk) 21:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that's not true. "some editors" believe that WP:ALBUMCAPS should not be rolled out unilaterally across Wikipedia. This discussion fork is, well, interesting, but not directly relevant right now. However, it is worth noting that WP:V would be worth revisiting, as it's "verifiability, not truth" that we're looking for across the encyclopedia. In any case, feel free to pop over to the album talkpage to talk about stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article request on French Wikipedia

Would someone mind writing a quick stub on the Serbian Orthodox Diocese of France and Western Europe in French? I don't think the French Wikipedia has an article on this one yet WhisperToMe (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

poor english in this version of the article

The quality of the English in this article is in some places very poor. Occasionally the text is incomprehensible. I hope someone can edit it.212.238.222.19 (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which article? Markussep Talk 18:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For example on the Antigone page (from the great Anouilh), the speech "i want everything or die" is really badly translated. "I want everything, right now, and I want it all. I do not want to be modest and just be happy with a little piece if I behave well. I want everything to be as beautiful as when I was a child - or die." Here's another possibility that meet better the French wording. 7:43, 21 may 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.136.44.25 (talk)

Should it be "L'Insurgente" or "the L'Insurgente"?

Any French teachers lurking? Should it be "L'Insurgente" or "the L'Insurgente" throughout the article USS Constellation vs L'Insurgente, since I assume that "L'" means "the"? I'm leaning toward the former... Tks. – Peacock.Lane 01:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the ship was "Insurgente", so I think we should use "the Insurgente". Markussep Talk 08:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Humm! I am not that sure as, according to the following, the definite article seems to be part of the name:
Besides, whether L'Insurgente or Insurgente, as the name of the frégate is in French, English definite article *the* should not be between quote marks or italicized, and if name of frégate is italicized, there is no need for quote marks:
  • the L'Insurgente, or
  • the Insurgente
--Frania W. (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The results of a google search suggest the name of the frigates should be written as "the Insurgente" and "the Constellation". Regards, Comte0 (talk) 17:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SHIPS member butting in! Per WP:MOSSHIP, ships may be referred to either as "the (shipname)" or "(shipname). The name of the ship in this case is L'Insurgente, which translates as "The Insurgent". In this case, I'd say that referring to the ships by name only would be the better of the two. Mjroots (talk) 09:13, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Hirsch

French politics is not my cup of tea, so I'd be glad if somebody would look into that. --Anneyh (talk) 19:58, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Portals on French Wikipedia that could use English versions

Here are portals on the French Wikipedia related to France that do not yet have English versions:

Cities:

Regions:

Also:

Would anyone be interested in creating some new portals? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

1906 French Grand Prix at FAC

Hello all. 1906 French Grand Prix is a featured article candidate, here. The Grand Prix was essentially an expression of French power in industrial Europe; the French organised it to showcase their own automobile industry, while the English boycotted it because they were suspicious of French motives. Same story as usual, different setting. Any comments would be great. Apterygial 06:58, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Libya

With France performing air interdiction missions over Libya, it might be useful to write an article about France's military operation, similar to that of the UK, Operation Ellamy, (hopefully with more details). 184.144.168.153 (talk) 14:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done See Opération Harmattan, created 7h after your message. Regards, Comte0 (talk) 16:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saint-Inglevert Airfield

I've created an article on Saint-Inglevert Airfield. I'd appreciate a French-reading editor checking the French sources used and correcting any errors I've made as I'm only fr-1 and have to rely on Google translate. Mjroots (talk) 07:15, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I could see, errors were in the english text :) congratulation on your work! Comte0 (talk) 08:43, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Jean-Claude Sebag

The article Jean-Claude Sebag has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Fails WP:POLITICIAN. A fringe candidate for French president, he won 0.16% of the vote and finished second last in a field of twelve.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Pburka (talk) 14:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SN 1054

Help is needed in cleaning up SN 1054. It was recently greatly expanded (by 80kB!) from the French version of the article. Checking the grammar and wording against the original to fix errors in translation would be good. As well as selecting English terms where French terms were used and untranslated as they were not originally French but some transcription into French would also be useful, as transcription systems in French and English are different for some languages. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 07:22, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

École normale supérieure

École normale supérieure has been nominated for deletion as being non-notable. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 05:25, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article about École Normale Supérieure the most renown of the currently three écoles normales supérieures. I already added one source and made a raw outline. I made my best to write an introduction that describes what the article is about. The history section is empty but will grow with sources. --Anneyh (talk) 11:51, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Revisionism" clarification in French Revolution Historiography

There are numerous references to different revisionist historians in the Historiography of the French Revolution (English) site, and these need to be further expanded on. As I mentioned on that article's discussion page, revisionism is a very broad term, used simply to, at a basic level, refer to reinterpretation, critical or otherwise, of a history or a historical event. It would be useful if several users contributed further to this article by elaborating on particular uses of the term 'revisionist' in this context, particularly pertaining to individual historians.

Furthermore, there is a slant towards featuring more English/American historians than French historians, on this specific page. The addition of other historians of French or otherwise European nationality would perhaps provide a fuller picture of French Revolution historiography over the last two centuries. Kfodderst (talk) 08:25, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. The subject is too specific for me, but I raised the issue to the French wp project (fr:Discussion_Projet:Révolution_et_Empire#Historiographie_de_la_R.C3.A9volution_fran.C3.A7aise_-_appel_sur_wp:en). --Anneyh (talk) 12:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marie Antoinette - Fraser Dependence

As pointed out on the Marie Antoinette discussion page, there is far too much dependence on Fraser's biography.

I have personally included some references to Lever (English-translated, so not entirely as weighty as the French version, but nonetheless, it holds) and even Hibbert, although the latter is somewhat debatable, and I am investigating personally a few points of contradiction brought up by his text. In any case, with that in mind:

Other sources available to be incorporated and consequently cited include: Louis and Antoinette by Vincent Cronin (who recently passed away, unfortunately), Marie Antoinette: The Last Queen of France by Evelyne Lever, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette before the French Revolution & Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette during the French Revolution by Nesta Webster, Memoirs of Marie Antoinette by Madame Campan herself, What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution by Caroline Weber, and even from other books such as Simon Schama's Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution and William Doyle's Oxford History of the French Revolution.

These are of course only as a start - but there is really no excuse to be so heavily dependent on Fraser's biography, especially because that is very subjective, sympathetic and at times controversial. The article also doesn't make much of von Fersen, who is on the contrary very important, and I've dropped in him in several edits at several key points.

What also needs to be worked on is the heavy specificity of detail in some areas, and then the absence of any detail at all in others. Kfodderst (talk) 08:07, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hildburghausen and Castle Eishausen Theories

These few incidents should be included into the Marie Thérèse of France article. Some references to aid writing a section for this: The Dark Count by Ludwig Bechstein, The Mystery of Hildburghausen by Brachvogel and Nevtelen Var (The Nameless Castle in English) by Jokai Mor for purporting the theory; in contrast, and a nice summary/overview, which dismantles the theory rather effectively, was done by Sophie Nagel in her book on Marie-Therese, Marie-Therese: The Fate of Marie Antoinette's Daughter. The inclusion should be done as soon as possible. I will be able to contribute as well, but maybe not immediately. If anyone has anymore references/sources or information, please mention them here so they can be included into the article. Kfodderst (talk) 08:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Partnership with the palace of Versailles

Hello everybody !

Since Frbruary, I'm a "Wikipedian in residence" for six months in the Château de Versailles, as a member of Wikimedia France. I'm here to facilitate contacts between the contributors to Wikimedia projects (like the France wikiproject, for exemple) and the people of the Château de Versailles.

This project is really open : the Château de Versailles is ready to help contributors, with special projects, like backstage pass tours, special visits, meetings between the specialists and contributors, and also, yours ideas! To coordinate this, we have a contact stub page here.

Don't hesitate to ask me on this current page if you need some information, or if you want to make a special visit in order to help you to contribute.

Regards, Trizek here or on wpfr 08:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A first outcome of this partnership are some photos taken in Versailles: [4].

Keep us posted, Trizek! --Anneyh (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will ! If you need anything about the palace or people who lives in, or other things, please contact me ! Trizek here or on wpfr 15:28, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

French translation

I translated the text in this sign with help of Google translate:[5]. Is it correct? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. --Anneyh (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seems correct. Trizek here or on wpfr 15:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Carillon

There is a discussion at Talk:Fort Carillon about Fort Carillon and Fort Ticonderoga and the need to have separate articles on the two (co-located, but temporally separated forts). 64.229.100.45 (talk) 04:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation Alsace wine and Alsace wine region

Hi!

As the first article speaks only about a product of the second article's object, I wondered if your assessment is staying in the right article.

Hope this helps. Papatt (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Most recent royal ceremony in France: The funeral of Louis XVII in 2004 section in the French Crown Jewels entry

there seems to be an entry that perhaps belongs more to a discussion page, or figure as an additional entry: "In reference to the revelation of Louis XVII.. There are followers of the French Royal history in the Seychelles Islands (back then a French colony).. according to recent extracted family tree reports show a member of this family was born at the "Palais Royal" in France and not long after the Revolution,it appears that a young boy sailed to the Seychelles under a different name (helped by a guardian) and never revealed who he really was until at his death many years later,his beloved wife got told everything. Most members of this family now reside in Australia. Research is currently being undertaken to find out from the Seychelles Archives who that French vessel was and also the proof of that family member who sailed as a young boy and we are now more curious to learn about who else was born at the "Palais Royal" back in the early 1700! What we've read so far, only Marie-Antoinette's children were born at the Palais Royal. The family tree extraction from the Seychelles registry going back to the 1700 will not lie or mislead the family for whatever reason." Should this be edited?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepoui (talk • contribs) 03:14, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article Bitard needs help

The article Bitard is about to be deleted; see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitard. I have a feeling that this student organization or tradition is notable and should be retained in Wikipedia. But the article is so poorly written it is impossible to tell. Could someone from this project please take a look at it, clean up the writing, and add references to show that it is notable? There is plenty of information available in French but I could not find any in English. Thank you. --MelanieN (talk) 20:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The deletion request on French WP in 2008 has gone to keep the article online. A master degree student has made a dissertation about it. Trizek here or on wpfr 16:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs - the final surge

Since early in 2010, many editors have assisted in the referencing or removal of over 90% of the Unreferenced Biographies of Living People, bringing the total down from over 50,000 to the current 4,862 (as of 16:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)). Thank you for all of the work you've done to date, but we are now asking for your help in finishing this task. There are two main projects which are devoted to removing UBLPs from en.Wikipedia:

All you have to do is pick your articles and then add suitable references from reliable sources and remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template. There is no need to log your changes, register or remove the articles from the list. If you need any help, or have any comments, please ask at WP:URBLPR or WT:URBLP.

Thank you for any assistance you can provide. The-Pope (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Health in France

The article "Health in France" should add to its title the word "Care", so as to conform with other such titles (of other countries). Its title thus should read Health Care in France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tperla (talk • contribs) 06:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I requested the move. An administrator will have to get involved as there is a redirection. --Anneyh (talk) 09:05, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Where is your move request? It's probably worth pointing out that Health care in France redirects to Health in France. The contents from Health Care in France also should be merged in with the moved article. Kiwipete (talk) 02:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Deletion notice

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Commons:Deletion requests/File:LouisianeFrançaise01.pngMoxy (talk) 16:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rocca

Hi, Rocca (Colombian rapper) has been nominated for deletion. His french article is here. If you have any reasons to keep it or delete it, please go to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rocca (Colombian rapper) and vote for that. --Damián del Valle (talk) 14:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Should diacritics be encouraged or discouraged in article's titles?

You may be interested in my proposal here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Est-ce que Caillebotte avait un fils?

The biography states that the painter never married, though he had a close relationship with a woman he allowed for in his will. Yet in the section about the distribution of his art collection of works by the impressionists, it states that they became the responsibility of the widow of Caillebotte's son. There is no reference to this son in Wikipedia biography.

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