Jump to content

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by 87.113.50.226 (talk) at 14:40, 12 February 2012 (→‎Is OnLive a Platform (again)). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Shortcut

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page not moved. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games → Wikipedia:WikiProject Video Games – This project name has three words in it. I could understand WikiProject Video Games or WikiProject: Video games or WikiProject video games but the current title, WikiProject Video games, makes no sense. Why capitalize Video and not games? It seems to me that this name is a proper noun, and like all proper nouns in the English language, it should be capitalized. There are other projects with both variations; I'm simply concerned with this project at the moment, and they can sort themselves out later. Obviously this is a minor improvement, but a small step forward is still a step forward. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 06:12, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose: I don't really see a compelling reason or benefit to doing this. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 06:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll oppose this, primarily because it is not a proper noun. And the reason the first letter is capitalized is to distinguish it from the word "WikiProject". As for why not "WP: VG", that's because of custom with the entirety of Wikipedia. This change is needless bureaucracy. --Izno (talk)
    Sorry, but in what way is this not a proper noun? There is one WikiProject for video games, and its name is "WikiProject Video games". Even the use of CamelCase is almost exclusively for proper nouns (in English, anyway). As far as distinguishing one word from another, how does capitalization do that? Isn't that what the space in between is for? And as far as the benefit, it seems pretty straight-forward that if we are a project dedicated to the consistency and quality of video game editing throughout Wikipedia, the first thing we should do is ensure our project is capitalized properly. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:07, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Video game is not a proper known per se, but when used in the context of a WikiProject, it becomes a proper known, such as Salt Lake City. A salt lake city is not a proper known, but that it is the name of an actual city makes it one.∞陣内Jinnai 07:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Not quite. 'Wikiproject' seems to be a proper noun, but 'Video games' or 'Military history' or 'Indigenous peoples of North America' or whatever describes the Wikiproject. You might have a Camaro, but you wouldn't have a Red Camaro, you'd have a red Camaro. Just because the Camaro is red doesn't mean 'red' is a pronoun, unless the Camaro was made out of people named Red (which would be a bit mean). Likewise, just because the Wikiproject is about video games doesn't make video games a pronoun. Emmy Altava 10:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    If the "video games" part of the name isn't a proper noun, then why is Video capitalized and games is not? What you are talking about are adjectives, which don't apply here. "Video games" is not an adjective in this case. It could qualify as an adjective only if used before WikiProject (as in "this is the video games WikiProject"). This is a name of a project, and just as "red" isn't a proper noun when used to describe a category of Camaros, it is a proper noun when describing a particular Camero (like Big Red Camaro), or a particular work about that category of Camaros, like Red Camaro. WikiProject Video Games is a self-identified group of editors, and like any organization, the name of the group is a proper noun. Even though U.S. National Video Game Team has adjectives in it, it is still a proper noun, as it is a name of an organization. There is no negotiating with that, that is what a proper noun is. "United" is an adjective, "states" is a noun, "United States" is a proper noun, because it is used to describe a specific entity. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 11:48, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Quite the opposite, it follows the standard in use with other projects whose name is "WikiProject {ADJECTIVE} {NOUN}" (WP:MILHIST, obviously, but also WP:CM, WP:HR, etc.) Examples of the opposite can also be found -- which, while it falls under WP:OTHERSTUFF, only supports my "either is fine, no convincing reason to change" argument; there is no established consensus. Salvidrim! 11:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Masem, video games is not a proper noun, but "WikiProject Video Games" is just as a salt lake city is not a proper noun by itself, but Salt Lake City is.∞陣内Jinnai 20:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK, I didn't get that's what people were thinking before. I'd like to clarify that I am not implying that I think "video game" is a proper noun, as in "Susan, I'd like you to meet my friend Video Game", I meant that the name of the project is a proper noun, the exact phrase "WikiProject Video Games". Jinnai's salt + lake + city example is a great one here. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 22:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I just took a cursory glance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and there is no unanimity, but more projects seem to use our capitalization approach than others. On a personal note, I agree with this approach as I see "Video games" as the name of the project, and see "WikiProject" as more of a sub-namespace than as part of the name of the project. This treats "Video games" like we do any other article title in the mainspace. I would not be opposed to redirects in other cases if they are desired. —Ost (talk) 20:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per no consensus with other projects; this should be proposed globally, not just for us. I don't think there's much merit in the move for individual projects if there isn't consistency globally. I mean neither choice is grammatically correct, and given the two (discounting the one with proper grammar, as no project uses that), I would stick with sentence case starting the project name. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Succession boxes

Do succession boxes like the one below have a place in Video game articles?

Preceded by UK all-formats number-one game
November 27 - December 10, 2010 		Succeeded by
Preceded by
Call Of Duty: Black Ops
 Japanese all-formats number-one game
November 28 - December 4, 2010 		Succeeded by

I ask because they're being added to some some VG articles again. Personally I don't think we should have them; as there are never any references attached to them to allow verification of the information, and there's a tang of bias to them, in that only a few country's charts would be covered, and tough luck to the rest of the world. Any opinions? - X201 (talk) 19:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's no difference between games and other media types like films or books. Anything you say here is just as valid or invalid there also. Personally, I think your point that "only a few country's charts would be covered" is unimportant. See Wannabe (song) or Thriller (album), which have multiple boxes (6 and 8 respectively), as well as number-one categories for each of 19 countries!
References, you possibly have a point, but the format over at music charts suggests we don't need this. Also, a number one game is likely popular and with a well developed article, and in that case the sales/reception references should have been provided long before the end of the article (where the boxes are customarily placed).
As a different slant on this, see the category request discussion at User talk:Armbrust — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.100 (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say that I see the usage of succession boxes as being necessary, and I personally detest their overabundance in some articles in the TV and music realms (really, 19 different countries?!?!?!). In general, I agree with X201's concerns, and disagree that video games be necessarily treated the same as films or books. They don't need to be. --Izno (talk) 14:07, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
These succession boxes do not add to the article. I don't think they are good for navigation, and I would remove them from the article. The focus of the video game media/audience has never been the sales charts in comparison to how they're viewed in the music industry. Consider the various industry awards for gold/platinum status such as RIAA certification, there is no such industry equivalent within games. - hahnchen 19:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Regardless of my opinion on having a dozen of these boxes on Music/Film articles (thumbs down), weekly sales charts are not used in the video game industry in the same way as they are for other media. --PresN 04:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing I've ever found them useful is historical rulers and countries. Almost anywhere else and they imo have no place.∞陣内Jinnai 06:48, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, with the demise of the CD, the video games chart has become more important than music, especially at xmas. The revenue generated by games far outstrips music, and the focus has shifted accordingly. Videogames are now the most desired Christmas gifts (with major newspapers normally publishing lists of such) - who ever gave somebody a download under their tree?
Yes, there is an equivalent to the RIAA certification. One example is the Platinum Range.
And yes, I can vouch for the 19 different countries. In the case of the Thriller album, they are all hidden away under a blue template at the end. In fact, the number of countries in which something was a bestseller is something of a selling point statistic.
As for the navigation, yes, this helps set the content of an item. Knowing what else was number one around the same time sets the history (gaming now has a rich history going back several decades). Besides, it also shows which game/album knocked another from the top spot (eg, the lead text of the Nevermind article makes much of the fact that it replaced Michael Jackson at number one, for example) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.127.96 (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about which one makes more money, it's about whether the industry has such a chart position oriented culture. It does not. The platinum range isn't industry certification, it's one company's budget promotional feature. The mainstream media refers to music in terms of what highest chart position they achieved, this does not happen in the video game industry. This just doesn't happen. - hahnchen 22:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just backing up Hahnch's statement that video games do not have a "chart position oriented culture". If video game charts mattered to publishers, January and February wouldn't be the new release wasteland that they are each year. - X201 (talk) 23:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) The fact that video games are becoming more and more popular does not in turn necessitate that the sales charts are as popularly tracked as they are for music. Platinum Range is not equivalent to RIAA certification for "going platinum"- the RIAA is a group covering the whole music industry, while Platinum Range is one company re-publishing games of theirs that sold well. Not the same thing at all.
I'd recommend instead creating a List of number-one video games or whatever (that's a bad title, though) that lists out what all the chart-toppers were- right now all we have is List of best-selling video games and it's sublists, which isn't really what you're talking about here. The sales charts may not be a useful linking device at this time, but they could certainly support a list article. --PresN 22:46, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WRONG - I think some people are underestimating the importance of charts. In the UK, dedicated games stores don't lay out the new games alphabetically. General music stores stores don't lay out the new games alphabetically. Department stores don't lay out the new games alphabetically. Newsagents don't lay out the new games alphabetically. Supermarkets don't lay out the new games alphabetically. The reason for this is that ALL of them use the numerical chart position to place them on the shelves.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.211.125.130 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
They just use it because its a system that people are used to from other media. The games charts are rarely printed in non-specialist media, and when they are they're used as filler in a minuscule video games section in a magazine or newspaper. - X201 (talk) 16:00, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, at least once a week the Metro (3rd most popular paper in the UK) features an entire multipage games section, with charts, etc. The Telegraph (an upmarket newspaper) features full chart listings, plus an editorial comment on new entries, number one, etc.
Games publications websites like edge-online.com always feature the sales charts heavily - right now their front page has 3 news headlines (in the top 9 stories) that discuss chart positions (of UK charts, nordic charts and Japanese charts)
When you look at all retail websites like game.co.uk, the default sort order is always highest selling games first. That's the way people expect it to be laid out. There is even a FAQ to explain how the Amazon Sales Rank works.
Publishers want a number one, and release their games at carefully selected times. EA were very proud of getting the Christmas Number One with FIFA for 5 consecutive years in the 1990s.
Deny it if you wish, but games being a bestseller IS a big deal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.39.200 (talk) 19:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also sales data tends to be more disjointed. The best company who can really say for certain that a game sold X copies, Media Create, does not chart PC game sales which other companies do. Also there sales tend to be Japanese-centric. There is no one company that comes close to them today (there were a few more for specific niches in the past) that compile the data and are RSes. What you then have usually is taking a company's word for it, something we especially don't like for things that can be skewed for promotional reasons. And yes, it can easily be skewed (while stuff being truthful in a way).∞陣内Jinnai 23:04, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question of whether article should be redirected or not?

Recently the game Gyakuten Saiban 5 was announced and an article was created. I redirected it to the series article since the only info currently known is that the game exists and what the logo looks like, however the original created reverted the change without any explaination. So I am now asking for a wider audience of whether the article should remain or be redirected to the series article again.--70.24.204.79 (talk) 04:54, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not to pull a there-must-be-sources, but GS5 has been in limbo for a long time. Certainly, you could find a few decent (and reliable) sources involving this? Maybe a list of vaporware, or games people hope to see on the 3DS, or those pre-announcement rumors about Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney? It could really go either way, but this seems like an instance where development info (and specifically development hell info) should exist, somewhere. I'll look if it starts getting bloody, but I've got a lot of work on my plate at the moment. Emmy Altava 01:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Notability (web) criterion three

A discussion has been underway for a couple of weeks about criterion three of WP:WEB, "The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators". The debate is about whether or not this criterion is necessary, and if the guideline is changed it could affect AfD discussions on webcomics, flash games, and other online content. Editors are warmly invited to take a look and leave their opinions. The discussion thread can be found here. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 03:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

February 2012's TFA

Pathways into Darkness will be on Today's Featured Article on February 3rd. GamerPro64 01:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know Korean?

There's an AFD happening for Special Force (online game), the AFD page is here. Now, if you take a look at my comment in that discussion, I think the game is certainly notable. I've linked to some sources, and a Google news search for the game's Korean name. It looks like that there are plenty of sources, but they're all in Korean - here's just the articles from Gamespot Korea. It would be very useful for someone who knows the language to look through the links, stub and then verify the article - it is very difficult to do with semi-broken Google Translate results.[1][2][3] - hahnchen 12:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Video games set in Australia

I wasn't sure where to give this heads-up, so decided to do so here. User:Collingwood26 has recently removed Category:Video games set in Australia from a whole gaggle of video games using the edit summary "Spelling error". Here is just one example. Could someone who is familiar with these games please check this. These edits may have been made in good faith but, given the bogus edit summary, it looks unlikely. HairyWombat 16:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reverting the articles where it is clearly mentioned at least part of the game takes place on Australia, with an appropriate edit summary. Salvidrim!
As I've posted on his page, it is near impossible to assume this was done in good faith when taking into consideration games like this one, or that one, which take place entirely of exclusively in Australia. Salvidrim! 19:09, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Those games takes place or also takes place in Austalia. I don't understand why that user removed it. --Hydao (talk) 19:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the game's title is Odell Down Under and the first line of the article says "...takes place in the Great Barrier Reef." plus the misleading edit summary, its hard not to assume bad faith. - X201 (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Additional: ...and when you find edits like this. - X201 (talk) 22:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well it seems my edits haven't gone unnoticed. Anyway, I "deleted" Australia from those games because they are not set in Australia, and if they are its only a reference or just a small level,etc. This is why I don't feel they should be included as games "set in Australia" because they're clearly not. Of course my edit summary was "Spelling error" which I felt was just easier to use than get into an argument on every single page about whether or not its relevant to Australia. The only article I was going to keep was the Crash Bandicoot game however, even then I wanted to delete it as it was only partially set in Australia. To date there are no games set in Australia, which is why I think its best to just delete that page as it may mislead people.--Collingwood26 (talk) 04:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid admitting openly that you used an erroneous edit summary to deceive editors and avoid having to explain your edits is not going to help you. As pointed out above and on your talk page, some of the articles you mass-removed the category from were set entirely or exclusively in Australia, which directly contradicts what you're asserting. Salvidrim! 04:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I dont have to explain myself again do I? Actually, to what you said where some of the games were set in Australia is false, none of them were set in Australia. Being set in the Great Barrier Reef does not constitute being set in Australia I'm afraid as the Great barrier reef crosses many island nations. Other games such as Crash Bandicoot weren't set in Australia either, they only use a native Australian animal and thats it. To date there are no games set in Australia, which is why I believe the category "should" be removed.--Collingwood26 (talk) 04:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to propose it for deletion, I am sure a discussion will ensue and consensus will be established solidly. For the record, the Great Barrier Reef is part of Australia. Salvidrim! 04:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would if I knew how, however, yes the Great Barrier Reef is within Australian waters, but it also falls within Papua New Guineas waters and many smaller island nations. Therefore it cannot be set in Australia, like I said before, unfortunately Australia is shafted with every new game.--Collingwood26 (talk) 04:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As I've said, I've no wish to engage in a discussion with you pertaining to your apparent anger at the number of games located in Australia. However, I'll say this: Australia is a continent that includes New Guinea. Also, all of the games in the category are set (at least in part) on the Australian continent. Your repeated assertion that no game is set entirely in Australian only evidences the fact you did not bother to read the articles you've removed the category from. At leats two of those, Beneath a Steel Sky and AFL Premiership 2007, are set in Australia. Salvidrim! 04:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like someone needs a lesson in geography, New Guinea is not part of the continent of Australia, however, New Guinea is part of the Oceania region. I would know I live here. Secondly, no, almost none of those games are set in Australia and like before I've already provided evidence. Those two you mentioned AFL is what I would call a "sports game" (meaning its just about the sport not the location) so it doesn't count. And the second game "Beneath a Steel Sky" is obviously (just by looking at it) a flash game for the computer meaning its not a real game. I'm not expressing anger at the lack of games set in Australia because THERE ARE NO GAMES.--Collingwood26 (talk) 05:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is going nowhere. You are choosing to disregard facts that contradict your opinion that "there are no games in Australia". You are clearly feeling strongly about Australia and related topics -- I would strongly suggest you thoroughly read our policy on neutrality before you resume editing. Salvidrim! 05:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't disregarded anything as I am yet to see any evidence put forth by you that there is a game set in Australia. You said 2 but I already gave you reasons for them. I'm not feeling strongly for Australia, because if i was i would want the article to stay. However, even I cannot deny there are no games set in Australia, so I have trouble understanding how an article on it could be made?--Collingwood26 (talk) 05:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quite frankly, I've never liked these "Video games set in [location]" categories. They strike me as trivial, crufty, and of little use. I could maybe see a case for them if it was reserved for games that only take place in a given country, but instead it just ends up cluttering the category section of certain globe-trotting games. To pull up some quick examples: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 has 10, Street Fighter II has 12, and F1 2011 (video game) has a whopping 17 such categories. I'm sure these aren't even the worst offenders either, those are just what I found in a minute of searching. I would not be opposed to just purging the whole series of cats.--Remurmur (talk) 05:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am personally not opposed to deleting the category either -- a discussion should be opened at TfD, in that case. Salvidrim! 05:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure the whole category needs to be pulled down but I see what you mean. I won't speak for the other categories but the Australian section should be pulled down as there are technically no games that have been set there.--Collingwood26 (talk) 05:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The awful NES game that is Mad Max does, or at least it can be inferred that it does. I don't think it directly states it. Just sayin'. --Remurmur (talk) 09:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I can see the usefulness of the categories, at the same time they seem a bit pointless to me as well. One possible solution would be to change their use. Make the inclusion criteria that the game must be set wholly in the country named. Then the underpopulated categories could be removed using the criteria that is already in place for small categories. - X201 (talk) 09:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with this is that it's too difficult to enforce inclusion guidelines. I'm sure the categories started out along those lines, but then some intrepid gnomes started adding every game that was even slightly set in said country. As the categories are named, these people are doing the right thing, but it's become apparent that these categories were a lot more useful when they were incomplete and only included major examples. I think that trying to enforce a standard will just mean a lot of petty talk page squabbles over what should and shouldn't be included, which just isn't worth it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remurmur (talk • contribs) 09:47, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We could rename the categories to "Video games set wholly in x". Secondly; Don't dis the Gnomes, this place would be a right dung heap without them. - X201 (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't dissing the gnomes; I am one. They just happen to be helping with useless categories. It's the categories' fault, not the gnomes.--Remurmur (talk) 18:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So many comments because of a category. :) Well, the category is "Video games set in Australia", and this is a screenshot from a racing game: http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/chromossomax8/newmanhaas.jpg ... it (also) takes place in Australia, that's simple, why so much complication? cheers. --Hydao (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with X201, make the guidelines specify thet game must be entirely set in that country, if its anything else like a racing game or sports game set in multiple countries just put it under "Sports games" and "Racing Games" only.--Collingwood26 (talk) 23:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tweak needed

Hi, would somebody please tweak the latter list so it stacks in two columns like the former? I had a quick stab and didn't manage it, rather than faffing around with it I'd rather just get on with updating them. Thank you. Someoneanother 02:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Simply add {{Div col}} at the start of the list (between the "letter" header the the first item) and then {{Div col end}} after the last item on the list. Salvidrim! 02:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Did it for all of them. --PresN 02:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Way to make me look like the lazy one. ;) Salvidrim! 02:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, that would be me, my brain is so kaput it's about to slide out of my backside with a white flag and a briefcase, couldn't figure it out for some reason. Thank you both! Someoneanother 03:05, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus Building Discussion: Proposing a new section for relevant video game pages - Professional competition

It seems like there is an entirely different section of video game articles that isn't being represented on Wikipedia for the most part. Mainstream media is all well and good for development coverage and critical reception, but even they have limitations regarding certain games. I'd like to refer users to the StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty, specifically it's "professional competition" section, which details events and leagues which is beyond the scope of what content the big name gaming journalism print magazines and websites provide.

I would like to extend this to all genres of games with larger competitive followings than traditional gaming followings, be it Real Time Strategy, First Person Shooter or Fighting Games with sections of professional competition. I'm open to any questions in order to further the discussion, thanks. --FLStyle (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What's relevant, verifiable and notable is already discussed here and here. Games where such activity is well-documented by reliable sources certainly discuss it in their articles. Details of individual events, leagues, and players in the articles about the games is not appropriate. Salvidrim! 04:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article creation opinion saught

As some may know, last night Double Fine put up a Kickstarter project to fund a new adventure game, and completely cleared the bar within 9 hours (and still going up). This has prompted a lot of attention, not only to the success, but essays from journalists challenging the typical publishing model.

At this point, the only "title" we have is "Double Fine Adventure" (which I've created as a redirect to avoid issues), but the question I have is: despite this possibly falling under WP:HAMMER since there's no name, WP:CRYSTAL in the sense that we're trusted DF to actually make the game and not run off and buy fancy cars with that money, and other aspects, the project is attracting enough attention that could warrant an article. I personally am normally hestitate about a new VG article with as little as we know on the game itself, but this is a case where there's clearly going to be attention on it, is notable right now, and we're pretty confident DF will deliver a game in the future.

Would it make sense to create an article on this, or just keep it all within the bounds of Double Fine Productions? --MASEM (t) 16:18, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd keep it within Double Fine Productions until some kind of announcment. Salvidrim! 17:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think it warrants an article, as the conditions of the KickStarter bid were, that should the target be reached, the title would be made. You could view it along the same lines as the Olympics in London. The contracts have been agreed and the event is almost certain to happen, Crystal allows for that future event, and I think we're in the same ballpark with this. Also their will be the additional benefit of the open development diary. - X201 (talk) 17:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The key, I would suggest, is sources. Are there sufficient sources to make the forthcoming game notable, and so warrant a separate article? Having said that, I would keep it within Double Fine Productions until there is an actual game to write about. HairyWombat 18:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Saying it would be made is different from it actually being made. Things do change ... ownership, publishing priorities or any other number of things might cause this game to never be released, despite the assurances. I agree with Salvidrim that this should stay a subhead in Double Fine's article for the time being. --McDoobAU93 18:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Create the article - Already enough press coverage in reliable sources regarding the funding to sustain a stub. A separate article, particularly a stub, invites development a lot more than a redirect which may confuse wannabe-editors. - hahnchen 20:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Impressive how fast things went. I believe an article could be created now. Salvidrim! 20:36, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm now very tempted to create it, but I would like a bit of more input.
What I can write about the game is tiny. The coverage right is more focused on the fact this actually worked beyond anyone's dream, is still going, the most successful Kickstarter project to date, a kick in the balls to the traditional publishing model. This is all good stuff but the question that lingers is, is there a better place for that besides a game article? If not, then yes, making the article and expanding it on that is right in line. --MASEM (t) 23:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How about an article on the event, the Kickstarter success, and the buzz, media coverage surrounding it? I'm not familiar about notability guidelines pertaining to news/misc. events, though. Salvidrim! 23:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Information: Notability guidelines for events are at Wikipedia:Notability (events). HairyWombat 01:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just start the article at Double Fine Adventure. Other editors will join in. It doesn't matter that it's tiny, it will evolve. - hahnchen 23:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Article started, DYK submitted, can't wait till Oct now.... --MASEM (t) 00:54, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Editor changing importance of large number of articles

I don't know if this should start a move general discussion, but someone with a larger attention span than mine might want to take a look at Special:Contributions/Harizotoh9. The user is changing the importance of a large number of articles. I first noticed because The Black Onyx is on my list, and while it may not be popular, that game is pretty-much why we have Japanese RPGs. The user has lowered the importance of many other articles (like Zork from "high" to "mid"), and raised others (like Castlevania: Rondo of Blood "low" to "high"). Some of them may well be right, but some seem bizarre, and more people should be taking a look at them. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Same thing here after noticing this. There is no way Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos can be high-importance when the seminal title of the Ninja Gaiden series, the first NES game, is mid-importance at best. I think those assessments need to be reassessed. --MuZemike 23:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of interest, this AN/I thread about User:Harizotoh9, dated from 6 days ago. Salvidrim! 23:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(e/c)I left a note on the user's talk page. Although I'm sure some of these edits are justified, and we could probably use a good purge through the top categories. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RS Opinion sought

Saw a site I didn't recognize used as a source today on the World of Warcraft article, geek.pikimal.com. Anyone have thoughts on whether this is a reliable source? I only see it used in about 5-6 other articles. -- ferret (talk) 05:05, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You should take it to WP:VG/S. :) Salvidrim! 05:12, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Adventure games => Adventure games taskforce

Does anyone agree? --Khanassassin (talk) 20:53, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the same should be with WP:PKMN, WP:FF, WP:XBOX (thus WP:HALO), etc., like WP:PLAYSTATION, but that's just my opinion, I know this debate has been held in the past. Salvidrim! 21:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I say go for it, the last talk page activity was a year ago, and it was inactive a year prior to that. --PresN 22:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC) I disagree with Salvidrim about task-forceifying all of the projects, but that might just be due to an emotional attachment to WP:SE (aka WP:FF) --PresN 22:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's a debate for the ages. I think there is agreement that, by definition, WP:SE's topic is a subset of those covered by WP:VG. It encompasses a focused portion of articles covered by a broader WikiProject.... which I think is kind of the whole "raison d'être" of a Taskforce (like WP:NIN, and others). :) Salvidrim! 22:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gamebryo has been edited a lot because of Skyrim

Gamebryo has been edited back and forth since Skyrim was announced, usually by different editors. Bethesda has never once said that Skyrim does not use any Gamebryo code, just that they rewrote a lot of the code that the game uses. I think it would be a good thing to get a consensus, so the article can be stabilized. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What are the reliable sources discussing the link between Skyrim & Gamebryo? Salvidrim! 03:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is OnLive a Platform (again)

Relevant previous discussions Feb 2011, Jan 2011,March 2009, July 2011 and August 2011.

I only bring this up again as the outcome of the last discussion had comments such as "Not a platform, solely for the reason that reliable sources don't report it as such. Technical analysis above is original research - Wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. If reliable sources started calling it a platform (or for that matter, a weapon of mass destruction) then we'd call it that here, regardless of how inane the definition might be" I present to you two reliable industry sources referring to it as such. The first is Ubisoft on their Uplay serivce, image here which is accesible here and the second is the developer of FortressCraft whom has referred to it as a platform here.

If it is decided again that its not a platform, can you enlighten me to how best OnLive should be flagged within the info boxes of titles? At present it seems rather inconsistent.

Adycarter (talk) 11:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a computing platform. I can run Windows software on a remote Linux machine using Citrix software, that doesn't make Citrix a platform. You will find places describing OnLive as a platform, but that's because the word "platform" is very liberally applied so it can apply to a sales platform, like the Mac app store. This isn't the case with the infobox. Place it in the "distribution" field in the infobox along with Steam etc. - hahnchen 12:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I might be a little confused, but surely this means someone needs to go edit the Steam page?

"Steam is a digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer and communications platform developed by Valve Corporation." 87.113.50.226 (talk) 13:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The word "platform" can mean a lot of things, and there's a difference from how "platform" is used here to classify what systems games are for, how Ubisoft refers to it, and how Steam refers to it. --MASEM (t) 13:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so the issue is that there's no games available for it, that aren't also available for other platforms? Ie if there was a game exclusively for OnLive, that would elevate it to a platform? (As in "Game XYZ is only available on the OnLive platform") - I've never seen anyone argue that Steam isn't a platform (if not a "computing platform"), hence my confusion about all of this. 87.113.50.226 (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • This horse has been beaten to death. OnLive is a "cloud gaming platform". Multiple reliable sources call it a "platform". They also refer to it as "gaming" and "cloud". But that's about it; none are more specific. It is certainly not a "computing platform", not as we define it nor as sources call it. Ubisoft's site classification and another indie developer's opinion are hardly more significant that the sources already in OnLive. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 13:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games&oldid=476454263"