User talk:Manifestation

nlDeze gebruiker heeft het Nederlands als moedertaal.

en-3This user can contribute with an advanced level of English.

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This user likes to translate and proofread articles from Dutch to English.

So this user herd u liek mudkipz?

Welcome to my talk page! Feel free to leave me a message. If I reply, I will usually do so on both this page and yours, because I prefer to keep both sides of the discussion together. Please use colons (not asterisks) and sign your posts (~~~~).

Note: even if I don't actively edit Wikipedia, I will usually still monitor this page. However, if I haven't done anything for over 6 months, you can assume this account to be abandoned. If you want my help, but I'm not around, and you're unsure where to ask, this may be a good place to start.

Archives:

• 22:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
• 14:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
• Image taggings

Note

51 sections were removed from this page on August 1, 2008. - Face 08:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

re:Wow...

Yeah, I guess I probably should have left a message on his talk page, although there was really no reason for him to have deleted all of the Japanese text and replaced it with Chinese, as Pokémon is a Japanese company. Happy editing, Artichoker[talk] 17:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

You did the right thing. I just hope we didn't scare him/her away. He/she didn't "replace" the Japanese names, by the way. Cheers, Face 20:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit war on Pikachu

Hi, are you aware of the three-revert rule, because User:PikachuSnowman has grossly violated it on the article Pikachu. If you had left formal warning on his talk page sooner (after you had reverted his edit the first time would have been a good time) then I could have reported him and this edit war would have ceased. In any case, I have left a warning on his talk page, and if he reverts again you should report him to the noticeboard. Thanks. Artichoker[talk] 18:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

*facepalm* I completely forgot about the 3RR, propably because his/her edit was, well, just weird. Then again, I dislike using cold templates in situations like this. I prefer a more personal approach, i.e.: a direct message. Cheers, Face 20:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Not fully!

When I've watched all new revisions on my watchlist I'll be fully back. But yeah, I am back. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Great! I missed your help, even though nothing special happened. Well, except for a small quarrel on Talk:List of Pokémon (241-260). A sentence about the Mudkipz meme was added. This lead a few people to proclaim "victory" over Wikipedia and Jèskè, because he supposedly had "abused" his admin tools. Cheers, Face 22:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I've removed your comment. Let's not make lame things worser. Jèskè has had enough. - Face 08:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Grawp IP's

If you want proof. do a trace on the IP's they are in different countries (most of them) which seems to suggest either Tor or open proxies. However it is worth contacting for the first IP on the list   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 13:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I did traceroutes on all four IPs from that range (71.107.133.226, 71.107.163.121, 71.107.165.252 and 71.107.161.105). They all trace back to nodes of which the names end with "lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net". Can you tell if they are open proxies / union servers? I don't know, I'm not an expert. Cheers, Face 18:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for the compliment! It looks like you're doing good work too. Here's some back!

SunDragon34 (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

SunDragon34 (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the smiling reply, both to me and to this guy. Seriously, you responded to it in the best possible way! Keep up the good work! Cheers, Face 17:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Category:Images of Pikachu

I've been working over the past few days categorizing a large number of images, most relevantly, Images of rodents. The large number of applicable copyrighted material neccessitated a subcategory, Category:Images of fictional rodents so that the NOGALLERY magic word could be applied without decreasing usability otherwise. To further prune down this subcategory, I used an arbitrary number (4) to decide if a group needed further sub-categorization. Admittedly, Pikachu is the smallest of these subcategories (the next smallest have 6 images), but in a parent category that already has 85 images, it seems helpful to cull these out. -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 18:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC) P.S. Not to mention, because Pikachu is probably one of the most internationally well-known rodents after Disney characters, it seems obvious readers would be happy to see the images subcategorized.

You're right about the images.

I deleted that section since I don't control the guidelines, and can't change them no matter how many times I complain. Besides I'm a member of Bulbapedia, I don't need those lists. My argument on the images are officially over, since I can't do a thing about the guidelines and policies other than following them. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 19:16, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

And what's up with the block me tab at the top of your user talk page? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 19:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Ehm... I don't know, but I tend to see a slight anger in your words above and here. Sorry if I, in any way, offended you. But don't you think my idea at least sounds nice? Let Bulbapedia have the lawyers! *chuckles* - Face 22:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

As for that "block me" link: I have that because I sometimes fear for my own mental health. If I ever 'go bad', then that link might come in handy, you never know. I still have to make a page which explains why a block is not a big deal to me, and make the question mark (?) the link to that page. I will abandon the rest of that Contribs_and_logs template, by the way, because the contribs and logs are already in the "Toolbox" menu. Cheers, Face 23:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm so sorry about that, I guess I stopped reading before you got to your idea. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Mistress Selina Kyle

Why you reverted my AfD notification in this user's talk page? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, the page is a redirect, and the user is banned. Why you left it in the first place? Cheers, Face 11:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Blimey, I did not notice the user was banned and the talk page was redirected to userpage. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah!

Cheers Face. [1] - Tbsdy lives (talk) 07:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

He he, no problem! Wait... are you really the user who I think you are? Or, rather, the user who retired (or wants to retire) but is just unable to quit? - Face 10:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Well... I've retired but retired people do work in the communities they once worked in. I guess that's what I'm doing - Wikignoming. And I am TBSDY :-) - Tbsdy lives (talk) 12:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool! Keep up your article work! Cheers, Face 18:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

IP address user

Thank you. Are you an admin? History2007 (talk) 20:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

He is still doing it and you removed his insults fom his talk page. i will restore them now. Thanks History2007 (talk) 23:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your effort in identifying the vandal. History2007 (talk) 18:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Let's see what the admins have to say about this. Besides, to answer your initial question: no, I am not an administrator. But I know quite a lot about how things work around here, and I will do my best to do something against this user. Cheers, Face 18:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

For the casual onlooker: here is the comment where History2007 referred to. - Face 19:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Teach them to fish

As they say, if you want to help someone teach him how to fish, not give him a fish.

Facts:

• Several admins said: I see nothing wrong again and again.
• You spent the effort and figured it out.

Assumptions:

• There is need for a methodology that would have helped the admins figure this out very quickly.

• There is technology that would have made it happen in a few minutes.

One of the things that bothered me actually was the phrase a known sock puppet. I assume that means known by folklore. In this day and age of database technology, we can do better.

I would like to write a paper about the technology that can be used for this and given that you have a great case study here and know the methodology, perhaps you would like to write it together. You don't have to type too much if you don't want to, but providing the case study you have here will be very useful.

Our goal would be:

• Have a methodology published (even on a user page) or as an article for identifying vandals and puppets. This is step 1. Most admins follow haphazrad routes and miss things.

• Have a design and database architecture (I know software) that can be used as step 2.

• Somehow get that implemented in Wikepedia gradually. Steps 3 to N.

Hopefully the greater good that will come out of your effort here will be the basis for the entire intrusion detection architecture in Wikepedia. Your help will be greatly appreciated. History2007 (talk) 02:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi History,

Your proposal surprised me because:

• I happen to be an IT student, living in Amsterdam. Even though I haven't followed any courses in datawarehousing and data mining/analysis yet, your proposal certainly interests me.
• I happen to think a lot about disruptive/abusive editing on Wikipedia lately. I would invite you to take a look at the page Wikipedia:Long term abuse, which happens to be nominated for deletion currently. The page will very likely not be removed, but it does show that the nominating user is not satisfied with the current state of the page. He's not the only one. The page is poorly maintained, unstructured, too long, and many think that it gives abusers too much recognition. A few days ago, I proposed a default form for every entry on that page, which could make the page more organized, more strict, and more succint (i.e. less recognition). Nobody comented yet, propably because I still have to actually create a concrete example, which I will later this week. I'm also willing to clean up the page, finding out which of the abusers are still active and which retired. That will be a lot of work though.
• If I'm correct, you are proposing a methodology which analyses the edits of a number of IPs and/or users, searches for editing patterns, and then compares these to known patterns stored in a database. If you want such a thing too work good, you'll have too make an extremely complex system. Again, I would like to refer you to WP:LONG. As you see on this page and its subpages, there are so many different abusers and types of abuse. Possible patterns of an abuser could be found in: used addresses, registered usernames, pages edited, content added, edit summaries used, etc. I don't know who is going to create such a complex bot, but not me I'm afraid. But perhaps you can change my mind with a draft of your idea?

Note to self: two TODOs. The default form for WP:LONG, and the abuse report for our Pionier fella. Cheers, Face 23:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Design

Hi,

Request 1: please just post the responses here, I will loo at it.

As an IT student, this project will probably help you form some ideas. But you are running ahead of the design. If it is too complex, it is a poor design. The best designs are elegant and simple. The database is not the first step. And general pattern search within paths can be simpler and will provide something. We do NOT have 20 programmers to do this, and at first it will just be a design. Believe me, I am good at computer science, and I know how to do these things.

The basic idea is: "A Framework for Content Protection in Wikipedia". Please note that this is nt just about vandals in coffeeshops, but about corporate POV edits, PR people or politicians editing their pages, etc. So I prefer the term content protection. At the moment the approach used in Wikipedia is just folklore, a few pages written here and there, has no database and is haphazrad, as folklore usually is. And when done right the new system will be a "major new step" in Wikipedia for it will actually be the "first database in Wikipedia", instead of all the 19th century style file management they are doing now. At the moment image search in Wikipedia is just hopeless, for it has no database facility! Amazing!

My suggested approach for content protection, starts with clustering, then gets a simple database involved, then expands it. The steps:

1. A categorization of types of undesired change, and editor profiles ala Claritas Prizm as a first cut. We do not use zip codes, but edit pattern shere. We start with a few simple guesses for the clusters (e.g. random joyride, zealot, sociopath, corporate POV, etc.) and let others expand those later. [2]

2. A Basic schema design for edit histories. I wil look into this. I have done these before as webpage accesses.

3. A simple database of known puppets and known vandals. I am amazed Wikipedia uses file management for this. Thi sis a very simple issue and MUST be done.

4. A first cut analysis of the assignment of key edit attributes to the clusters above.

No data analysis yet. First the attributes need to be better known.

Then we look at the design and re-iterate. You will probably find the approach like a real-life IT lesson.

I also came across this site [3] and it uses WikiGnome etc. as patterns. But I do not fully agree with their approach. It ha sjust one class for Vandal but I think we need several clusters of Vandal, so they can be bette ridentified. However, it is worth noting that Wikipedia has some self-designated attribiutes such as Wikignomes and the Prizm like clsters will be an extension of that.

I will type more later.

Cheers History2007 (talk) 06:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of comments on Example

Hello, Recently you have noted that you intend to remove all test comments from Example. Example seems to be just that: a safe place to put warnings and other things so they do not make unnecessary mistakes. I recommend that you contact the owner of the account CesarB. Patman21 (talk) 00:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment, but I think users should try their new Twinkles or Huggles at themself or at the sandbox. User talk:Example is not meant to be a testing ground, and CesarB has clearly stated this at the top of the page. Actually, its only use is displaying a bunch of jokes, which is fine with me (I like jokes). The page is getting pretty long though, so I think I'll go a bit willy-nilly and remove the most insignificant comments, especially those warnings. Normally, you'd archive them, but I don't really see the point of that here. I would also like to see those unnused subpages go.
Yes, I would contact Cesar, but he isn't active a lot at WP anymore, and most likely doesn't care about this, so I think I'm gonna make a fool of myself and ask an admin at WP:AN ;-). Cheers, Face 20:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Return of the vandal

The vandal returned and was blocked for 2 weeks. Rapid response by Tan. In the meantime, I have sketched the vandal database schema, and the 1st cut turned out to be simple. I will type it up in a day or two and perhaps we can use his IPs and puppets as the first example entry in the database to give it life. Cheers History2007 (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, you do make me curious History. Are you going to put your example in a subpage of your userpage? (like User:History2007/Affinity analysis) Cheers, Face 21:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is a good place. But it is not just affinity analysis, it is an overall design. Pretty simple really, Fieldnames:

Table1: VandalId, IP, UserName, Country, Region

Table2: SuspectIP, EditId, Date, PageCategory, Page, EditType, LikelihoodofVandalism

Then a simple clustering on the 2nd table starts to give patterns. There is just one thing that bothers me. An intrusion detection system with a published algorithm is only 30% as effective as one where the vandals do not know the algorithm..... but Wikipedia works this way....

Please see: User:History2007/Content protection for a very rough 1st draft. Please provide comments here, on this page. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: face?

Nothing particular, it's just a random edit summary I came up with. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

RC

Thanks. I wasn't quite sure what she meant and I was looking around my archives for his e-mail address. Thanks again! Basketball110 ^{My story}/_{Tell me yours} 19:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Christian music debate

Hey, hope you're doing well. I invite you to participate in a Christian music debate that I've started. I did it to keep the whole thing in one place, because it's starting to span across several band articles. Thanks. — ^FatalError 21:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Deletion of comments on Example

Yeah, I guess now I get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patman21 (talk • contribs) 20:24, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Great Thankyou

Thank you for unbanning me. Appreciate it. It's been a long time. WHEELER (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It sure has! Welcome back. Are you going to continue contributing? - Face 18:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Deepest apologies

The block was a stupid mistake. I'm fighting about a million sock puppets at the moment, and your actions at the time seemed to correlate with them. I know, I will take more care in future. Sorry, my bad. --Jza84 |  Talk  16:14, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I offer you my apologies as well. I always like to joke about things, particularly trolls, but my comment to you here wasn't exactly helpfull. Also, I mistakenly thought that you didn't know where to ask for help, because you posted on WP:LONGs discussion page, instead of WP:ANI. That's why I pointed you there. I didn't saw you were an administrator yourself however, so that wasn't exactly necessary. Thanks for the quick unblock. Could you also free my IP, however? I'm being autoblocked right now. Cheers, Face 17:10, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I've got it - that should've unblocked you (?). No need to apologise, the mistake was on my part, humour isn't missed in these dire circumstances! --Jza84 |  Talk  17:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon lists.

I just wanna let you know that I think it's best if I don't watch those lists anymore. I'm mainly on Wikipedia to learn interesting and important facts, but all I see from those lists are the Dex entries, only the Pokémon which belongs to the main characters of the anime (which doesn't necessarily make them important anime Pokémon to some fans.) and that's it. I've been thinking about it and I made up my mind, I know you will miss me. Since we have been talking about this so long, I decided it's best to let you know. I'm not quitting the Pokémon WikiProject, I'm just stopping to watch the lists, as they give me neither new details or interesting facts. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 15:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

That's bad news! I think only Artichoker and me are currently watching the lists, but Artichoker has many other interests. Other patrollers help out now and then, but sometimes I feel I'm the only one in the watchtower; help is certainly appreciated. I understand your decision though. Patrolling gets boring quickly if you don't feel that what you do is sensible. But he, someone's gotta do it. Lately, I haven't been very active on WP, but soon I'll be doing the regular patrolling again. Thanks for your notification, and good luck with whatever you're going to do. See you around, Face 18:27, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Beans???

That was a strange page. I think the person wanted people to use invarying sections because they can't be removed? Whatever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.186.88.252 (talk) 20:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I see that the IP is being used by multiple people, which makes it pretty daft to ask a question on that page. I shouldn't have left that message. Just ignore me. Cheers, Face 21:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Noze Nugget

Hi "Face". um well, that Nugget guy is lying. He is switching the story around.... would you be able to help with what has happened? Thank You - Dominic Edward Aragon (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you. I hope you'll appreciate my kind of dramu, too! ;-) Διγουρεν_{Εμπρος!} 12:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm leaving Wikipedia.

In case you don't remember me, we used to watch the Pokémon lists on Wikipedia. I will miss you. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Of course I remember you Blaze! And your video blog! You are a good guy, despite your... oddities. Too bad you quit, but I can understand your decision. I agree with you about the Pokémon lists. They were created to make Wikipedia better, but no one is satisfied with how it is now. The same counts for just about anything related to Pokémon on Wikipedia. However, every time I catch myself being frustrated about it, I think about something more serious. Poverty, just to take an example, or the violent repression of the Tibetan people. After thinking about that, I take a good look at WP:VITAL. That reminds me of why Wikipedia really exists. Seriously, Pokémon isn't worth getting frustrated about. I must admit though, that I have myself rarely added some real content to Wikipedia. I have used this site more as a hobby than as a scientific project. In addition, I'm not very active around here lately. Basically because of school, as well as some personal issues. But I swear you, if I had the time and the energy, I would help Wikipedia, because I love the project.
Good luck with whatever you will do. I will continue to visit your YouTube channel, so keep it updated! Yours sincerely, Face 17:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Bears

You did fine on the rv. #34 was worn by Walter Payton. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Angry German kid"

A page you created, Angry German kid, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it is vandalism.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thank you. Until It Sleeps 19:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Angry German kid

I have nominated Angry German kid, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angry German kid. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns.

Thank you for your time. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 19:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record: I originally turned Angry German kid into a redirect to Emsdetten#Emsdetten school shooting, where a short description of it can be found. I did and do not think that this is worth an entire article. Angry German Kid and Angry german kid were locked, so Angry German kid was my only option. I see that the AfD was speedy closed because the article was a copy-vio. This means that the phenom has not formally gone through any procedure to judge its notability, but I don't really care. A deletion review would melt away almost certainly because I'm pretty sure that this meme is not notable. Cheers, Face 21:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Image of penetrative position, pt. 2

I hope it'll do. Cheers! Rama (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Rama, looks good! I have added it to List of sex positions. However, I think the filename, "Penetrative_position.jpg", is a bit too general, as there are many images on wp depicting a penetrative position. Is it possible to change it, or do you have to re-upload it? Cheers, Face 17:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

This place is confusing.

But that does not mean I should treat it like it doesn't exist, I still have friends here who care. I can't think of any person who is more comfortable to talk about movies with than Erik. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 06:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

So, does that mean you don't quit entirely? Are you semi-retired? Cheers, Face 12:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe so, but that's no reason to add a template to the top of the page. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 12:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Weird Al

I couldn't think of a headline. Anyway, I propably wouldn't describe the changes to the Pokemon page as "redundant, irrelevant, and unnecessary". Oh excuse, I meant PROBABLY. I don't know how I made that typo considering that the letters "p" and "b" are rather far apart on a standard keyboard. By the way, I wonder how you keep finding the changes made to the page so quickly. I mean you must have SOMETHING better to do than watch random pages to see if anyone made "crufty" changes to them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KanaKobayashiIsPretty (talk • contribs) 00:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Kana! I found the changes you made to List of Pokémon (41-60) by using my watchlist. If you are logged in, you should have one too. You can add an article to your watchlist by clicking on the "watch" button at the top of the article. After that, every time someone makes and edit to that article, the edit will appear on your watchlist. I'm currently 'watching' approximately 150 articles, which includes all Pokémon related articles. Anyway, I reverted your edits because they were, to be honest, of low quality. And the quality of Pokémon lists on WP is already low, so I have to be harsh to prevent the lists from becoming even worser.

• Here, you changed Poké Balls to PokéBalls, which is incorrect.
• Here, you said that "Fire Blast" is Arcanine's signature move. I consider this dubious. Growlith and Arcanine can not learn Fire Blast by leveling. You could teach them the attack by using a TM, but does that make the move a "signature move"? You also added that the Pokédex says that Arcanine is stronger than Zapdos, which is incorrect.
• Here, you wrote that Meowth have an ability called "Interest". Such an ability does not exist.
• Here, you changed eight number to "27", for unknown reason.

As you can see, I had no choise but to revert everything you did. Again, I understand that the lists are not great as they are now. But I don't have time to improve them. If you want to improve them, feel free to try. I will not revert you if you make a good edit, I promise! By the way, please forgive me my spelling mistake. English is not my native language (I'm from the Netherlands); typos like that tend to happen. Cheers, Face 19:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you too! When I reverted that vandalism, it was still before midnight in my time zone, so I don't get any special recognition, unfortunately. ... discospinster _talk 04:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon media template

Face wrote: "I see you have replaced all the Template:Pokémon films and Template:Pokémon games with Template:Pokemon media. Good work, but... I suggested a few days ago to rename it to Template:Pokémon. No big deal, because Template:Pokemon media will automatically redirect to Template:Pokémon after the move, but I just thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Face 09:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)"

Oh, that's no problem at all; I actually replaced them all with Template:Pokemon media because that's what Template:Pokémon currently redirects to. Thanks for keeping me updated on that though. MelicansMatkin (talk) 16:39, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Left Jéské a note. Cheers, Face 21:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: "Wikipe-tan being forced to wear a burqa"

No, I don't. Isn't "Wikipe-tan forced into blackface for 'good laughs!'" racist??? --Miagirljmw14 Miagirljmw~talk 20:20, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

There are hardly any people who link afro to something negative. The Islam is (unfortunately) a different story however; it's a more sensitive subject these days. Writing that Wikipe-tan is "being forced to wear a burqa" implies that it's something negative, and it could be interpreted as a critical remark to a religion in general. The page is meant to be funny in a silly way, not to offer a political pun. It just doesn't fit. Cheers, theFace 19:30, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was looking at it with one of my teachers and she said that the afro one was not funny b/c it implied that having an afro was a joke. And she said that the burqa one was funny. Remove it if you want but can't you take a joke??? Have a nice day, --Miagirljmw14 Miagirljmw~talk 22:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC).

Blocked User template

Hi Face, I noticed your question at the village pump, and while I don't have an answer, I was just thinking...I noticed that the template is currently including itself in Category:Indefinitely blocked IP addresses. I'm not sure why it's doing that, since you have that parser function inside includeonly brackets... Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that was exactly my question! It should work, but it doesn't... - theFace 21:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, my bad! I misread your question. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 21:15, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to your suggestion, I fixed half of the problem. I tested the template on my userpage, and it works correctly! However, Template:Blocked user is still including itself in Category:Indefinitely blocked IP addresses. - theFace 21:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait, it doesn't. Stupid cache. Ok, problem solved. - theFace 21:31, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Quick question, but don't we use Nuvola icons in preference to using the old images? Steve Crossin ^Talk/₂₄ 23:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It took me a minute to discover that you were referring to this. What happened was: I saved a previous revision but didn't saw your edit, accidently overwriting it in the progress. Yes, the Nuvola icon might indeed be better. I've changed it. Thanks, theFace 20:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: en dash

I changed them because of WP:DASH. Article titles are not an exception to en dash usage :) Also, I do realize that the move created hundreds of redirects; if I had WP:AWB, I would definitely fix them myself. However, I don't have AWB as I don't have access to a Windows computer, so we will just have to wait for the bot to fix them (it usually takes about 24 hours). Gary King (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I didn't knew about WP:DASH, and I didn't thought about the bots. Thanks for the quick response. - theFace 21:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

WT:LOBU#Martinphi

I've asked a question there. Since you appear to be a main WP:BAN guy, I decided to contact you. →Dyl@n620 15:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I have WP:BANNED on my watchlist because I take an interest in things that no one else is interested in (like maintaining the banned user list). I hope my answer helps you. Cheers, theFace 18:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

{{Wiktionary}}

Comments invited at Template_talk:Wiktionarypar#.7B.7BWiktionary.7D.7D.Rich Farmbrough, 14:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC).

Commented. Thanks, theFace 16:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Your update and edit summary

Thanks for both, but seeing as it has now been cited in an ongoing Arbcom case (nb that case is not the reason I created it) it would be unfair to non-admin users to delete it at the moment, pablo_hablo. 22:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

WebCiteBOT

Hello Face, I saw your post at the WebCiteBOT talk page and decided to reply here, to avoid butting into the conversation. As a fellow fan of WebCiteBOT, I wanted to raise two points:

• If WebCiteBOT implements your suggestion, perhaps it should check that the Wayback Machine has the exact same version of the page, not just that a version exists. I think it's important to capture the source as we saw it.
• One might argue that we should archive everything to WebCite, regardless of the WM. It's the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" argument.

Anyway, it's great to see WebCite up and running again, isn't it? Best, Pslide (talk) 16:54, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Good points, indeed. It are not the only things I'm wondering about.
In response to WebCite's downtime, Eysenbach tweeted that it was getting a faster server. Currently the number of links to WebCite on Wikipedia is still scarce. But what if the ammount of links the bot adds increases over the next few years? Will WebCite still have the capacity (i.e. the money) to handle the traffic? This could be an argument to support the use of both the Wayback Machine and WebCite and to look for exisisting copies instead of creating new ones, as it would cut WebCite some slack. Though I also wonder how much traffic the Wayback Machine can handle (judging from this, however, I assume it can take some).
I said in my comment at User talk:WebCiteBOT that I know from experience that the WM holds copies of many pages (about 70% is my estimation). But I also know from experience that, for unclear reasons, the WM is very fast with most files, but very slow with others. Furthermore, some files are listed, but they refuse to display for some reason. The quality of many copies is also not very high (no style sheet, images missing, code malformed, etc.), but fortunately it is rarely so bad that the information becomes unreadable.
As for your first point, certain pages can indeed be the subject of future updates, but I think most pages aren't. Most of the online sources Wikipedia uses are magazine articles, news reports, essays, interviews, reviews, etc. I don't think people tend to change those after publication.
Currently, the 'bot seems to operate in spurts. Its current pace is clearly not enough to keep up with the stream of links, so I assume the backlog is still growing. Has this also something to do with WebCite's downtime?
I'm looking forward to ThaddeusB's reaction. Cheers, theFace 20:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Excellent points. I also worry about WebCite's ability to scale. To cut WebCite some slack and to reduce the backlog, perhaps WebCiteBOT could be programmed to prioritize. In theory, we might temporarily skip sources that are likely to be available later, when the backlog is cleared. Such sources could be manually added to a skip list and might include, for example, news from The New York Times.

Here's a quick decision tree:

• Will page probably be there later?
  • Yes: Skip for now.
  • No: Does page exist at the Wayback Machine?
    • Yes: Skip for now.
    • No: Archive now.

Of course, I have no idea if this is possible or worth the effort. Let's see what ThaddeusB says... Pslide (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way, have you tried archiving with iterasi? It does a really good job of preserving page formatting and images, and I wonder if it might be used as a backup to WebCite (if not by a bot, then by individual editors). However, I don't know how healthy the company is: the site can be slow, it's in beta, and I haven't noticed any recent improvements. Pslide (talk) 00:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

ThaddeusB has stated that he already planned to have his DeadLinkBOT searching for dead links which can be replaced by waybacked ones. If he decides that WebCiteBOT should also use the Wayback Machine, I can think up four different possibilities to do so:

1. If wayback copy exists, don't create webcite copy, but use wayback copy.
2. Use a list containing all sites which have individual pages which will likely not be updated after publication (e.g. news sites). If site is on whitelist, check for wayback copy.
3. Use a list containing all sites which should always be webcited (e.g. discographies). If site is on blacklist, webcite.
4. Check if wayback copy exists, and check somehow if the content of the page differs from the current page. If yes, webcite.

The last three seem very difficult, if not impossible, to realise. So that leaves only the first one, but that also isn't flawless :-(

Yes, I am aware of iterasi. It doesn't seem to contain much of interest though:

• www.abc.com, 5 items
• www.bbc.com, 1 item
• www.msnbc.com, 1 item
• www.nytimes.com, 74 items
• www.cnn.com, 45 items
• en.wikipedia.org, 29 items

The CCN search also gave irrelevant Twitter links, and the Wikipedia search gave some links to Google searches. The quality seems good indeed (example), but the site goes very slow with me. I also tried out the submitting process, which went well (see here). An alternative to keep in mind, though I don't expect much of it. Cheers! theFace 20:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Vendetagainst

I have nominated Vendetagainst, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vendetagainst. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

responded to you

fyi, i responded to you on my talk. 0¹⁸ (talk) 22:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

And again. Do you want these notes?0¹⁸ (talk) 15:29, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Whatever you prefer. But after your first notification, I watchlisted your page, so it isn't really necessary for you to make further notes. Cheers, theFace 17:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Your edit to Template:WikiProject Scientology

In your recent edit to Template:WikiProject Scientology,[4] you may have overlooked that you significantly changed the display of the ArbCom warning when the banner is not embedded inside a banner shell. I agree that the old version was redundant when inside a shell, but IMO it is more important that the relevant text is visible in all situations. BTW, when messing around with ArbCom-mandated stuff like that, it's probably a good idea to run the proposed change by ArbCom first or at least ask them to review the change after. Anomie⚔ 22:15, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it's better now than how it was, but still not the best solution indeed. I initially submitted the change because I somehow thought the ArbCom banner would never be used outside a {{WikiProjectBanners}}. In practice, this may indeed rarely happen, but there must be a better way to make it look good in all contexts. Don't know how though... - theFace 20:58, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Twee vaders

Thanks very much for the extra information you provided about the song. This is so interesting. Perhaps I would create an English language page for the writers Fluitsma & Van Tijn as they seem to be prolific as producers. As for the song, let the discussions take their course and if the concensus is to delete it I wouldn't mind, although I would have preferred to keep the song as it is so dear to my heart. In fact I only discovered Jay Brannan because he sang this lovely Dutch tune. On 22 November he will be in Montreal and I will attend live as he has become a favourite. werldwayd (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Cool! Yes, Fluitsma & Van Tijn might pass the notability bar on en.wp, but within an ace of it. They are very well-known in the Netherlands, and have been associated with work that has gained international attention. They set up the band Mai Tai, and produced the Dutch entry of the Eurovision Song Contest of 1998. According to their Dutch page, they also wrote for the Dolly Dots and Guus Meeuwis. However, the problem with articles on 'foreign' subjects like these is that they contain very little info, as there are often little sources to build upon. And if there are any, they are usually in the native language of the subjects. Worse, the duo doesn't even have their own website! I wouldn't take up this task, as the result would probably be little more than a small version of the Dutch article. I doubt many people would find that interesting. I just don't think it's worth it. Cheers, theFace 11:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Puppy

Mature doberman

Hi there! Glad to talk to you. I'm very sorry to inform you that I don't own that dog, it was a "guard" dog at a stone-quarry, it was the first time I saw it, I haven't seen it for a second time. I'm curios how big it got. I don't know very much about dogs, I'm very sorry I can't give you the right information, but for me it looks like a Doberman. All the best! --TudorTulok (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

This isn't my expertise neither, but judging from the pictures in the Doberman Pinscher article, I think you're almost certainly right. I've added the info to the Dog article and the description on commons [5] [6]. So now you know why I asked you ;-). Cheers, theFace 19:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Mulan

Hey
I think the article needs more citations to verify what's the current stage of production. It says in the intro that the film is in production, while the Hollywood Reporter reference later in the article says that principal photography was expected to wrap last January. Also, the film doesn't seem to have an IMDb entry, which makes the information in the article a little dubious. Notable in-production titles are almost always listed on IMDb. Thanks, R8vd8 (talk) 01:17, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmm... one editor did add an IMDb link once, indicating that an entry may have once existed, but I can't recall seeing it. That said, The Hollywood Reporter provided pretty definite evidence that the movie was almost certainly coming, mentioning producers, large investments, a casting call, advertisements for roles, a Disney spokeswoman, many other sources, and a deadline for the filming. Strange that we still haven't heard anything of it, except for an alleged officially released poster (first known online appearance, other sources who copied it). It looks dull, and fake (is that woman in the picture actually Zhang Ziyi?), which is why I didn't add it to the article. On the other hand, it may have been something the producers threw out just to break the silence, to indicate that the project was going slow but was still in motion. But that's speculation.
Technically, you are correct: the article does not verify that the film is still in production. But I don't think it's possible to verify that. There hasn't been any news to write about. I guess there's nothing we can do at this point, except for removing the "currently in production" sentence in the lead. Cheers, theFace 10:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Jesus College Oxford & Wayback link

Fantastic! I had tried unsuccessfully to find a replacement link for that deadlink but obviously wasn't looking in the correct place. Thanks so much. Best wishes, Bencherlite^Talk 17:59, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Portal-inline

Template:Portal-inline has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 18:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Remedy

On my talk page you mentioned a Remedy #2. I cant find such an item, can you please clarify? -Stevertigo (t | log | c) 01:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Woah... you're back! :-) With "Remedy #2", I was referring to this: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Stevertigo 2#Stevertigo to be placed on probation. It says that you should e-mail the ArbCom once you're back in town. They can be reached at arbcom-llists@wikimedia.org. Good luck, theFace 19:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Need help to delete two redirects

{{admin help}}

I just userfied Mulan (upcoming film), which I created, to User:Face/Mulan. Apart from the redirect which that move creates, there is also Mulan (2011 film), the original title of the article. I request that an admin removes the two redirects. Cheers, theFace 13:04, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

The article has been moved back by Pengyanan (talk) - discuss with him. If you are in this situation again, you can tag the redirects with {{db-r2}} (redirect from mainspace to user space) or {{db-r3}} (recently created, implausible redirect) as appropriate. JohnCD (talk) 14:31, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

*sigh*, fine. I've created an AfD, in which I explained my actions. - theFace 15:01, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

The AfD is closed. Article is now at User:Face/Mulan (upcoming film). - theFace 20:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

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