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Requests for adminship and bureaucratship update
RfA candidate S O N S % Status Ending (UTC) Time left Dups? Report
Worm That Turned 254 4 6 98 Open 09:47, 18 November 2024 2 days, 13 hours no report

Editor retention

I would like to see PumpkinSky back to editing, withdrawn since his RfA. I would like to see Dr. Blofeld back to editing. The double standard of one being stressed (politest word I could find) in an RfA while the other observed the bits simply returned to someone after many more years of absence is not without irony. If anyone should have had the bits simply returned it's PumpkinSky, if you ask me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The issue that caused Dr. Blofeld to leave has been resolved for the most part. I'm still licking some wounds from that, as it looks like I've upset a few bureaucrats along the way. I would expect he will return soon enough, and talk with him regularly. The Pumpkinsky issue is complicated. I wouldn't have recommended he try for admin so quickly, there are still some concerns by the community. Not a matter of my trusting or not, I just know how the community has reacted at RfA as of late, and it has been ugly. I was thinking about him the other day, but not sure how to approach. We have chatted a few times, but not enough that I could say I really know him. It might be good if a few trusted friends approach him. He is undoubtedly an asset here and I want to see him back, but getting trashed at RfA is painful and some wounds heal slowly. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • He took a little wikibreak, but I think everything is working out. The short version is that an admin returned after 4 years of not editing, left after he had been taken to ANI for abusing the tools, came back and was hastily give the admin bit back even while Dr. Blofeld was expressing concerns. The admin asked for the bit back in the middle of an edit war, something he shouldn't have been doing to begin with. I protested, the crats said they can't do anything, I filed at Arb (it is still there), many people lined up on different sides, one or two crats are pissed at me, the admin finally requested the bit be removed, I withdrew my initial report (just a few minutes ago). An RfC is now ongoing to prevent this from happening in the future. I hasn't been a fun return from wikibreak for me, and I suppose a few others as well. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I passed at RfA, but it still sucked terribly. It went from 90%+ to almost failing and was an emotional rollercoaster that I still bear the scars from. Yet I can only imagine how it feels to be fully trashed with too little support. No matter how much we think it will not affect us, being judged so callously by our peers, people we know and respect, does damage. There simply is no way someone who hasn't gone through the experience can understand it. Kind of like military boot camp (I've done that, too), it is a transformative experience, and not always a positive transformation takes place. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to see PumpkinSky back as well. I don't want to minimize how one would react to trashing on RfA, but I hope it is nothing more than the understandable pull back after such an incident, followed by a return at some point. I've worked with him on a couple issues, and checked out a fair bit of his work, not enough interaction to call myself a trusted friend, but enough to know that he is an asset and I hope he returns soon.

The Dr. Blofeld incident was unfortunate, but at the risk of being a Pollyanna, some moderate, but project improving enhancements to policy are resulting from it, and if I've read correctly, the content dispute is largely resolved, so I hope this issue is now resolved.

I worry more about MF, as that doesn't have the feel of a long-term resolution.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:50, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, a good place to start with that one is to recognise that civility is largely in the eye of the beholder and thus well-nigh impossible to legislate. A lot (not all) of the bad reactions to MF seem to come from people in the US, although when I look at portrayals of New York/Chicago etc life, I kind of wonder why. The demographics of this place make it US-centric in any event & so there is an argument for systemic bias even against the British contingent. I really do think that a civility policy is more or less unenforceable and those who tend to want enforcement should perhaps find better things to do with their on-wiki time. If someone is being wantonly uncivil and they get no response from their target then, eventually, they'll get bored. - Sitush (talk) 15:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I think it's entirely the cultural gap. The lightbulb about why MF does what he does didn't go on in my head until he posted a thing recently (forget where) about schoolyard bullying. Schoolyard bullying was not a thing I experienced in my childhood, so the cultural meme of standing up to bullies the way MF does is not something that ever particularly resonated with me. (There was a fight here or there, but I guess I got a reputation as someone not to be trifled with from being captain of the wrestling team, so I never had to deal with it myself beyond once or twice, and certainly nothing like the almost institutionalized bullying he was talking about.) I always had an academic understanding of what he was doing, but it's not until he posted that that I realized what it might mean on a deeper level. I don't know if that's an American vs. British difference or what, but it's definitely a major cultural divide, and realizing that completely changed how I thought about MF's actions. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was bullied pretty severely, although my size meant that if it turned to fisticuffs then things usually went my way. Most of it related to my deafness, but kids will pick on any perceived "weakness". Unpleasant although childhood bullying can seem, it was pretty much a rite of passage in my time and - un-PC as this may seem - it was rather character-forming. Life is rough: learn that early and learn how to deal with it. And when you see a regular bully coming to you, get your hit in first. - Sitush (talk) 15:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And I think that explains a lot of what MF does, and it's perfectly reasonable, but it's hard to understand from someone on my end of the stick until one realizes what the difference is. How can a man who's warm understand a man who's cold? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gosh, that book takes me back nearly 40 years. I read that, Cancer Ward and some other Solzhenitsyn stuff in my early teens. - Sitush (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That post resonated with me, as well. Until that point, my reaction was roughly "he's being unfairly attacked, but why oh why does he do what brings it on"? Now I have a better understanding.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sitush has it pretty much right; you don't wait to get hit if you think things are going to kick off, you get your hit in first. Looking back, one of the things I most regret about my time at junior school in particular is that I didn't do more to help others stand up to bullies. Even now I look back in shame at doing nothing to help some poor unfortunate when I could so easily have waded in, just feeling grateful that it wasn't my turn that day. Shameful really. Malleus Fatuorum 15:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I wish we could somehow get everyone to read your posts about this subject and meditate on it before they take actions against you or anyone else for these kinds of situations; it might open their eyes. I'm way too wiki-young to be familiar with much of your past issues, but just understanding where you're coming from would solve a lot of problems about fairness, I think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Jclemens was right in a way in saying that I've never been and never will be a Wikipedian, because I'm aggressively fair whatever the cost. It's all very simple for me: if someone comes to my talk page warning me about some crap or other, such as using the word "sycophantic", then they get both barrels. If they come asking for help, they'll likely get help. If they come for a chat, that's good as well. But basically I give back what I get. Call it a moral mirror if you will. Malleus Fatuorum 03:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for good reading. "Aggressively fair" could also be allpied to PumpkinSky, I think. I wonder how I would react if a few people told me I was not trustworthy. (But then, I would never ever want to be an admin, and I know enought good ones, like Dennis.) - If you want to simply express your interest in PS returning, click the fist link, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy thanksgiving. When you return please join me in telling the two editors that we miss them. (Both told me I should stop trying to win them back to editing.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Kollyfan

Hello Dennis Brown. We recently met at ANI here regarding Kollyfan (talk · contribs). I seem to have missed out details from diffs as pointed out in the matter. Would it be fine for you to continue the discussion here, since I doubt if re-posting in ANI is a good solution, as it has produced disastrous results for me in the past? Secret of success · talk 14:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I doubt if I would be able to discuss the issue at the moment, as I am becoming more and more inactive day by day, so please go ahead and archive this whenever possible. Thanks. Secret of success · talk 12:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Screwed up a report at SPI

Hey Dennis, I've gone screwed up Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Chauchan1192. I realised my typo - the alleged master is Chauhan1192 - but when I began to fix the spelling prior to doing a page move, some automated crap got in there and I'm not sure what to do next. Should I be copying my extensive notes over to the new page name (with appropriate edit summary) or does something happen in due course that involves a bot ... or what? No worries if this is above your "trainee" pay grade because I'll find another clerk if necessary. - Sitush (talk) 19:29, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle

OK, so what is this "Twinkle" I keep hearing about? It looks like it's fraught with peril, as I've seen a number of editors get whacked for misuse of it. I'm guessing I might have the right to use it, but I've never used it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Twinkle is a set of automated tools that makes some repetitive tasks on Wikipedia more easier. Everyone can use Twinkle. You just need to go and activate it at your preferences. But be careful, as you said, "a number of editors get whacked for misuse of it". Twinkles is very powerfull and useful. — ΛΧΣ21™ 22:01, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) If you go to Special:Preferences, choose Gadgets, you will see the option to use Twinkle. It is a bunch of javascript that lets you send articles to CSD or AFD or editors to SPI, etc. with just one or two clicks. For people who do maintenance tasks, it is virtually required. I've been using it since it was called "Friendly" back in 2006, a different program. Read more about it at WP:Twinkle. And yes, it can get you in trouble if you use it wrong. I can send 100 articles to CSD in about two minutes, for example. They are very powerful scripts, essentially, and like anything power, are dangerous in the wrong hands. If you do new page patrol, vandalism patrol, recent changes patrol, etc. it will save you 90% of the time to do those tasks. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:04, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for the explanation. Considering how I messed up that one blocked editor's talk page just a little bit ago, in good faith and bumbling idiocy, I think I had better stay away from this Twinkle. I would rather make my mistakes one at a time than on a massive scale. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At least you did not revert back to were the page said it was a blocked account of Dennis Darkness Shines (talk) 23:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I was trying to get rid of, but didn't look far enough back. It was vandalism on top of vandalism. That tricky little devil. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:14, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would recommend that you give it a try Bugs. There are many functions built into Twinkle including welcome templates and streamlined processes to make things easier. The people that I see get into trouble with Twinkle are those who are moving too fast while playing whac-a-mole and being careless. I've been using it 4+ years without problem.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If it is possible for something to be fantastic and imperfect at the same time - and I rather think it is - then Twinkle is an example. Give it a run, Bugs. You are sufficiently experienced to spot the pitfalls as you use it. And the pitfalls are, in my own experience, pretty few. - Sitush (talk) 01:43, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"If it is possible for something to be fantastic and imperfect at the same time" - Yes, they are called "women". Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:03, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, shit! Are you deliberately trying to be a target here, Dennis? I am sure that the ladies would claim the same. And that most men would stop reading after the word "fantastic" ;) - Sitush (talk) 02:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've been married almost 20 years to the same fantastic yet imperfect woman. It is the imperfections that make us unique. I like imperfect. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:22, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
28 to same and perfect woman. (Not sure how often she looks at WP but she knows my account name....) NE Ent 02:26, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

issue with vert skating page

I see that you have requested to delete vert skating I would like to know why. please reply in my talk page XK8ER (talk) 19:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism (Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/others)

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moving on

Closed the Till ANI -- it's really not worth your effort digging through diffs..They'll either stay away, come back and behave, or come back and resume the attacks and folks will get annoyed with the next ANI post. (I'm tempted to make up a "WQA" template to post on all the ANI threads that would have good WQA in the good ol' days. -- but I figure I'd get blocked for disruptive/pointy somewhere between the third and fifth day of using it.NE Ent 02:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC) NE Ent 02:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Personal_(album) and other issues show there is a pattern, but I'm not sure a block is the right answer yet. I was in the middle of crafted some verbage for Till's talk page when you came here. I will leave a note at the ANI, then you are welcome to close it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I disagree with the close but not enough to labor it. I don't expect to agree with every close. Till is a single thread away from a block, and I expected to tell him as much, but will wait. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • You know I'm not going to fuss if you want to roll the close off. However, I'd suggest just posting whatever warning you want on Till's talk page. NE Ent 02:25, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • You have as much experience as I do, so I will defer to your judgement. It isn't that far away from what I was going to do, I was just going to be more poetic about it. It is more than just the few things at ANI, he has been on a downward spiral for a while, I've noticed. Stuff like this: [1] and worse. He isn't the only one that deserves a little blame, but he has earned most of it, and caused most of his own pain. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • I went and added a small note. He does need a break for his own good, he is acting stressed out and highly reactive. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Dennis, just as an outside observation of that thread...I commend you on you patience dealing with those involved in the thread both on ANI and on User:talk pages. As someone who put a bit of nose into ANI shortly after registering an account, I know where that can lead. Your demonstration of good faith (whether it will eventually be proved excessive or not) should be the norm. I doubt that I edited enough to vote this year but please add me to those who believe you would be good for Arb Com. - UnbelievableError (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use

I doubt it's reasonable to assume a PD aerial or satellite image of a location could be reasonably obtained. Could a google maps overhead of the general area of the mine be fair use? See [2] for the general map. Also see User talk:Marcus Qwertyus#Are you near St. Louis now or will you be?. Finally, do you or any of your talk page stalkers know of someone who could figure out exactly which areas on that google map coincide with the St. Louis and O'Fallon mine here? Ryan Vesey 04:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics department (Anguilla)

Dennis, I made some changes to Statistics department (Anguilla); please have a look to see whether it is acceptable now GC (talk) 15:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed the one tag and left the ref-improv tag. Looks better. Hopefully someone will come along and fine some references that aren't Primary (by the government itself) and add to it, as likely some exist. Nothing wrong with tags, there isn't a likelihood of the article getting deleted since it seems perfectly legit, we just prefer to have at least some references that are by independent sourcing, like newspapers or books talking about the agency. I would go and try to dig some up myself, but I'm about to be gone for a week on holiday. If you find a good article on the agency and incorporate it into the article, you should be fine deleting the tag yourself, we try to assume good faith here. Keep in mind, the purpose of the tag is to put the article in the category Category:All articles needing additional references, which some people patrol simply to go in and fix articles. It isn't a statement on the validity of the article, it is more of a request for help. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:20, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Till is back

Normal length of rope on Wikipedia
The Brown length. Nice!

Told you it wouldn't take very long. Till has returned, and has nominated Diamonds (Rihanna song), an article Tomica has 260 edits to, to his 30, and nominating it for GA. Is there anymore evidence you would like? Statυs (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He doesn't mind if Tomica helps him with it though. So much for wanting an interaction ban, eh? Statυs (talk) 23:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I asked him why he would want to do that, and he removed my comments. Statυs (talk) 23:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with nominating an article for Good article? Surely that's a good thing. IRWolfie- (talk) 00:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In what sense is it "a good thing" to nominate an article the main editors of which do not feel to be stable, complete, or yet meeting the GA criteria? I'd call that a waste of time rather than a good thing. Malleus Fatuorum 00:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To me it looks like jumping on someone you already wanted to be blocked the day before: Wikipedia:ANI#Personal attacks from Till. IRWolfie- (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wolf, it could be said that Till is antagonizing the situation knowing it would cause friction. This is why I said it best to not jump to conclusions. Just 24 hours Till left in the middle of an ANI. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think you must be mistaking me for someone else IRWolfe, as to the best of my recollection I have never asked for or wanted anyone to be blocked. Malleus Fatuorum 00:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you were. I was referring to the ANI case. IRWolfie- (talk) 00:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement - Reply

Hi there DENNIS, VASCO (real name) from Portugal here,

thanks for your input in my talkpage. Final decision has been made though, i think that WP (and its football department) is in very good hands as it is now :) I can't stop feeding the trolls (all my promises to the contrary were true though), and i can't abide by the rules (not necessarily bad, but not good also), so i think i better stop.

All the best to you and yours, happy editing as well - --AL (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I respect that. If you ever decide you want to still hang out in the community, maybe doing something different, drop me a line. Your kind of experience is rare and there are plenty of places you can make a difference, some of them more troll-free. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 19:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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My restriction

Hey, do you remember the restriction enacted on me? Well, I just gave it a thought for some days and I would like to hear your opinion. Is it good if I ask it to me lifted? Or should I wait a little more time to ask at ANI? I can wait, but I'd like to know your opinion. — ΛΧΣ21™ 02:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]



Happy Thanksgiving

I'm on holiday for the next week, thus anything needing immediate attention should be directed to someone else for now. I will check in a little, but only have an old iPad, which is ill suited for old men to type on. For my US friends, I hope you have a great holiday week, surrounded by family, friends and good food. My Canadian friends have already celebrated last month, but those of you in the UK, AU, India, NZ, Thailand, Japan, and all places in between, I wish I could share it with you. It is my favorite of all holidays. A time to be thankful, spend the week with family and friends, feast, drink, watch football (any version will do) and reflect on the past year. Those of you traveling, stay safe. The rest of you, I hope you get to spend time with good friends and family, enjoying some great food and great times, even if it isn't Thanksgiving on your calender. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Thanksgiving Dennis! AutomaticStrikeout 01:20, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Get stuffed

Happy Thanksgiving
A big thank you from me to you.   little green rosetta(talk)
central scrutinizer  05:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • So far, so good. much of the family is here in Texas. The hotel should be sued for false advertisement though, its a bit of a hole, and the internet wifi is literally slower than dial-up. I would go find a hot spot but nothing is open so i wont be able to get onwiki much.. This is also the fist time Ive used an iPad...not bad but odd for a pc guy. Glad I came. Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 12:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just got back from watching the new James Bond movie, Skyfall...long but quite good. Went with a sister and brother whom I only get to see once a year, which made it better. Another sister texted us, shopping at the early Black Friday sales at Target, they had to call the police in to manage the crowds. Yes, I will be avoiding all shops tomorrow...there is nothing I could want worth dealing with kind of chaos. Time for a cup of tea and some sleep. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 04:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RfA Review Request

Hello Dennis Brown! I've seen you a few times on Wikipedia and noticed your RfA reviewal program. While I definitely feel I am not yet ready for the mop, I am working towards it and would like a short progress report. I requested one from Kudpung here but I didn't feel I received a complete response on what I need to do. I have Rollback and Reviewer permissions as I said in the thread and can check at least 80% of his criteria. I definetely feel I need to work on my edit count however I don't think several thousand mainspace edits is required (Basalisk, who you nominated, has 1,891 at the moment and his RfA was successful). As to why I need the tools, my work is significantly focused on anti-vandalism efforts and deletion efforts, somewhere admin tools are very helpful. I have noticed a backlog at XfD locations, specifically RfD and FfD. Also, UAA, along with Sockpuppet Investigations and general incidents (Administrator Noticeboard). I can also help at WP:RFPP. I have significantly contributed to these places where I can (obviously not SI and AN) and have a clean record. Any reccomendations, beyond simply more edits, you have? Thank you for your time, Vacationnine 02:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of late, no editor has passed an RfA with less than 8 months of experience (most probably in last 3 or 2 years). You are active here fairly for 3 months which is way too low to pass an RfA. Candidates are expected to be consistent with editing for nothing less than 8-10 months. I'd advise you to continue what you have been doing for 8 or 9 more months without getting into heavy disputes and to focus a little bit on content creation (few DYKs and 1 or 2 GAs would be wonderful). In short, I'd say that try to work more on the main space and stay here for solid 8-9 more months. Cheers! TheSpecialUser TSU 04:37, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know I need to work on time and count. I have contributed to an article, Minecraft, that was nominated for GA. It was not approved, but we are working on a re-nom. I also have a question. Since admin tools are focused on anti-vandalism, deletion, protection, blocks, etc, why is content creation important? To demonstrate a well rounded user? I'm not saying it's wrong, just asking why. Vacationnine 04:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Because, regardless of the merit of their arguments, many editors feel strongly that content creation is important. You have plenty of time; go create some articles. As an admin who has created few articles, I can tell you that you may find it interesting. If nothing else, it will give you a sense of the difficulties in article creation (unless you're fortunate enough to be gifted) and therefore some empathy with article creators. Best of luck to you.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Good to know! Vacationnine 04:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admin candidates that mainly focus on vandalism work typically have a rough time at RfA unless they bring something else to the table. We have a lot of vandal fighters, and the community generally rejects them at RfA without other skills. It isn`t about my opinion, that is just the usual outcome. I still have never had a GA or better in 31,000 edits but having several can help. I did have 18k edits, including over 1500 AfD articles and over 5 years experience, and I had a rough go at RfA myself, just this year. I`m on a mobile device half away across America from home, can`t really research for a couple of days, so will have to look later, but I am backlogged on RfA requests right now. I still have one candidate at RfA now as well. Give me a few days to fully respond. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 04:56, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks

Your reputation here certainly needs no further endorsement. However, a public thank you is definitely called for. Quite simply, thanks so much for all your help and support. I owe you one; let me know if there's anything you ever need a hand with. Basalisk inspect damage⁄berate 03:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Consider the debt paid in full. Just try to always be tolerant, patient, humble, and remember that we chose to serve the community and not to rule it. Be the the first to point out your own mistakes and forgive yourself as quickly as you forgive others. The RfA experience does change you a bit, and everything is different afterwards. Expect around 3 months of adjustment and learning (and bumps on the road), but you will find your own pace. Just never be afraid to ask, or to simply say "I don`t know". The real strength of the admin system is that no one know everything, so we must rely on each other and non-admin alike. Pharmboy (alt. of Dennis Brown) 04:45, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, @Basalisk, what you should really do is every time you have a question or problem, ask Dennis. :-) Seriously, you'll find his support does not end after your nomination is successful. Hope you had a good TG, Dennis. Enjoy the rest of the long weekend.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Happy belated Thanksgiving :)

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A Very Happy belated Thanksgiving to you Dennis :) Hope you are greatly enjoying your holidays with friends and family. Best wishes! TheGeneralUser (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/David Greener

Hello Dennis, I know you are on a holiday right now, but I needed to tell you that I have had this Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/David Greener opened and CU requested for over 2 days with no response from any SPI clerk or CheckUser till now. I believe you can take a look over this interesting case and give your comments and decision accordingly so that the case can be investigated without any further delay. If that can't be possible with your alternate account right now, I'll be happy to inform another SPI clerk for this if you say so. Regards. TheGeneralUser (talk) 19:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, glad to help. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Gee, I have to say that you a very helpful and insightful admin. You are pretty much one of the voices of reason in hot pages like ANI. I'm just here to tell you that your work is very appreciated.

Hope that didn't come off too spammy/cheesy. Thekillerpenguin (talk) 07:05, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nothing wrong with spam and cheese, particularly with scrambled eggs ;) I really appreciate the kindness that goes into giving them, I'm a big fan of Wikilove. It always feels good to know others think well of my efforts, and reminds me to stay humble and keep trying. Thank you. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 13:01, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SPI case

Hi Dennis! About this case: I thought it was a duck case and will be decided on behavior, even if CU is stale. --SMS Talk 06:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • The problem was that the edits didn't overlap, and it very well could be that one person does have both accounts, but forgot their password, etc. In order for it to be "socking", there has to be abuse in the use of two accounts, and there were so few edits with each account, I don't see how it could be abuse. Abuse could be in many forms, ie: one account edit wars and gets warned they will get blocked, so they create a new account to make the edits. They could both vote in an AFD. They could both contribute to a talk page to make it look like two people agree on a contentious item when it is really only one. Two people reverting each others edits to avoid 3RR. The fact that there is over 9 months time gap doesn't support those types of abuse claims. So while it is likely the same person, it isn't socking. Berean Hunter requested CU for the purpose of a sleeper check, to look for hidden accounts only, not for socking outright. You are welcome to ask him to review as well, no offense will be taken, but I'm pretty sure you will get the same answer. If there are other problems with his edits, that would be outside of what we focus on at SPI. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 07:14, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bormalagurski case closing

Checkuser is largely irrelevant for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bormalagurski, because we already know that a lot of them are meatpuppets. Are you saying we need to bring this before the Arbitration Committee? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:42, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Arb isn't going to take it, it is not really their job. More of an ANI issue, however, it suffers badly from TLDR in its current form. Meatpuppetry isn't the simplest to prove, but requires pretty concise evidence. I didn't do a detailed examination, and instead just closed as a procedure, which is what looks like what happened last time as well. In both investigations, the evidence is difficult to follow and meanders quite a bit, which is likely part of the problem. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 08:54, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request to look at an SPI case

Hi, Since you were involved in the previous ANI and SPI cases concerning User:Urklistre and 16:10, could you also take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Urklistre#22 November 2012 if you have a moment? It'd be much appreciated. Indrek (talk) 10:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick. Thanks a lot! Indrek (talk) 13:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Since you changed talk page to oroginal one for Moeen U Ahmed please do same for the talk page of Mukhlesur Rahman Chowdhury to original page as both were attacked by Bluesapper12. Justice is expected from you. Thanks. ₧

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