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September 21

Material of Bags

There's this material that shopping bags are often made of. It's a kind of fabric, I think, which is stiff and reminds one of paper. If you put it in water, or try tearing it, it tears off like cotton. When you look at the fibers of the material up close, you can notice small round patterns on it. No matter what's printed on it, the material always has a tiny circular pattern ingrained in it. What is the material called. A lot of tote bags are made of it. Another place where they're common are bookstores, where they give these to the customers. 202.153.41.162 (talk) 16:21, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Canvas, I think. See also Tote bag. Oda Mari (talk) 17:38, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this is a man-made fibre, rather than something more natural like canvas or jute? I think you're referring to the fabric the outer skin of my cheap coolbag is made from, along with various lightweight tote bags, record bags and book bags I have been given free with purchases. To me it is not unlike interfacing in texture; very lightweight, slightly fibrous, water runs off it rather than soaking straight in, and with that distinctive texture like many small circular dots placed next to one another. I don't know the name yet, unfortunately, but are we talking about the same thing? - Karenjc (talk) 21:28, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Karenjc: I believe we're talking about the same thing. So it doesn't have a name yet? 202.153.41.162 (talk) 11:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I think this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FGW_HST_Standard_Class_coach_A_headrest_cover_2005-06-09.jpg is very similar (if not the same) to what I have in mind. 202.153.41.162 (talk) 12:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Non-woven Polypropylene. According to Reusable shopping bag in Australia at least the common green reusable bag is made of Non-woven Polypropylene. However that is unsourced. A little OR, I have in front of me a yellow bag (more like a large shoulder bag for freebies at a trade show than a shopping bag) and its' tag says, "Orient' (brand?), the other side says "Made in China, 100% Poly Propylene, Non-Woven Tote Bag". I just found a green one and it also says 'Poly Propylene' (and hand wash!). Another green one from Franklins says the same, Non-woven Polypropylene. Otherwise it perfectly matches 202s and Karenjcs' descriptions. -я-220 of ^Borg 12:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The texture and patterning of dots on the bags matches the headrest cover. I think (guess!) it might be a two ply material with the layers 'welded' or glued together for strength. -ш- 220 of ^Borg 12:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Both the images of the bags in the Reusable Shopping Bag article match the one I was talking about. Thanks so much 220 of Borg! And you're right. It is "more like a large shoulder bag for freebies at a trade show than a shopping bag". My bad for using a misleading description. 202.153.41.162 (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no 202, my fellow editor!

That was one particular unusually large re-usable bag, with a long 'shoulder strap' that went from end-to-end of the bag (more like a satchel or 'Messenger bag'? without a flap), not the more common (and much shorter) 'loop-on-either-side'. The green/blue/grey bags are rather smaller! -≜-220 of ^Borg 14:59, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go, some piccies: Large yellow 'satchel', vs shopping bag. Φ 220 of ^Borg 15:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 23

Hairdresser selling client's (cut off) hair

AmazingPhil's hairdresser listed his cut hair on eBay. Are they allowed to do that? Once the barber has cut your hair, and you've left the shop, do you relinquish all your rights to the cast off hair? Note this is not a request for legal advice, I am not a hairdresser and I am not about to sell my client's hair! Thanks everyone 59.167.253.199 (talk) 01:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what the law would be regarding advertising it is a specific person's hair, but the US Supreme Court has found that there's no presumption of ownership or privacy in discarded trash. California v. Greenwood. μηδείς (talk) 01:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like at least one such case has raised potential legal issues in this way, but the article suggests a privacy law was at issue, ~~with the buyer, not the seller, on the receiving end of the hair-owning celebrity's ire.~~ - Karenjc (talk) 07:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC) Actually it was a threat to sue the seller after he failed to get the buyer to return it. Can't find out how it all ended. -Karenjc (talk) 07:52, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who would buy such stuff - how can its provenence be proven? After all, I could bag up my old hair and claim it was any celebrity's (or at least one who has a similar hair colour). And if I was a celebrity, I could easily claim a piece of hair was not mine - who could prove otherwise? More fool the buyer. Astronaut (talk) 12:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're in the hands of the seller and whatever they produce in the way of provenance. Here's one that was apparently convincing enough to persuade a respected auction house to handle the sale. - Karenjc (talk) 21:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Human hair is an excellent oil adsorbent. Nylon stockings stuffed with hair are joined together and used as booms to contain oil spills, most notably around Deepwater Horizon. See this article from the BBC. Blakk and ekka 15:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to donate my hair for this purpose, but they told me they only take long hair (mine is fairly short). Was that actually the case? 24.23.196.85 (talk) 04:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who are the "they" who told you? μηδείς (talk) 05:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My barber/hairdresser. 24.23.196.85 (talk) 06:38, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a polite way of saying "don't bother me". The absorbency is not going to be affected by the hair's length. And every hair dresser I have ever been to discards all the hair into the same receptacle, which is presumably where it would be collected from, not individually to be graded by length. :) μηδείς (talk) 18:46, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An article at Examiner.com that I can't link to here (blocked) says that they weave the hair into a mat, so that's why longer hair might be preferred. This other link confirms that it's woven into mats. Though the first article later says that they'll take any length. Donations for wigs (Locks of Love, Wigs for Kids, etc) does require longer hair though. The length that I've generally seen asked for is at least 10". Dismas|^(talk) 10:23, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The question of ownership of removed hair reminds me of something that came up some years ago in the legal/medical world. A doctor removed something from a patient (tumor cells?) and then it was used for medical research advances (maybe proprietary advances?). The patient found out and sued for unapproved usage of his alleged property. I can't remember how this came out, and I can't find it on Wikipedia. Anyone remember? Duoduoduo (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are referring to the cell line of Henrietta Lacks Tdjewell (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that article links to the one I had in mind: Moore v. Regents of the University of California, which says

Moore v. Regents of the University of California (51 Cal. 3d 120; 271 Cal. Rptr. 146; 793 P.2d 479) was a landmark Supreme Court of California decision filed on July 9, 1990 which dealt with the issue of property rights in one's own body parts. John Moore underwent treatment for hairy cell leukemia at the UCLA Medical Center under the supervision of Dr. David W. Golde. Moore's cancer was later developed into a cell line that was commercialized. The California Supreme Court ruled that Moore had no right to any share of the profits realized from the commercialization of anything developed from his discarded body parts.

Duoduoduo (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Poster

I'm familiar with quite a few of the characters depicted in these posters (http://copytaste.com/a4763), but can someone help me identify all of them?? 202.153.41.162 (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's rather a tall order. Can you point to some specific ones that you would like to identify? --Viennese Waltz 09:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it is a tall order! Is there one poster of the two that you'd like us to concentrate on? I see members of The Watchmen, the 11th Doctor and Amy Pond, someone that I think is supposed to be The Architect from The Matrix film series (grey beard behind a desk on the left), Yogi Bear, Elmer Fudd, Yoda and other various characters from Star Wars, Mario from the Super Mario Bros. franchise, and an angry bird just to name a few. Dismas|^(talk) 09:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'd like to have it from both Posters 1 and 2. From Poster 1, the people I could identify were:

Asterix and Obelix
Yoda
Pacman
Mario
Tintin, Snowy and Capt. Haddock
Popeye
Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
Yogi Bear
Sonic the Hedgehog
He man
Scooby Doo
Chewbacca
Bart Simpson
Richie Rich
Gollum
C3PO
The Jetsons
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Chacha Chaudhuri
The Joker
Darth Vader
The Hulk
Gandalf
Someone who looks like Hagrid (not sure)
Chhota Bheem
Dexter
The Flash
TMNT
Professor Calculus
Spiderman
Fred Flintstone
The Phantom
Captain Planet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.41.162 (talk) 13:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Archie and Jugghead (?)

Who have I missed? 12:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.41.162 (talk) Poster 2:

Are those three grim men on the far left members of MIB?
Doctor Octopus
The Swat Cats
Is the flying guy Inspector Gadget?
Spiderman again
Astro Boy
The Iron Giant
R2D2 and C3PO
The Tardis
Dee Dee and Mandark
Wall-E and Eve
Bianca Castafiore (I think?) and someone dancing with her (who?)
Mojo Jojo
Tony Stark with the Iron Man head in his hand
The Hulk again
Doctor Manhattan from the Watchmen (blue guy holding his arms out. But he looks uncharacteristically clueless?)
Who're those people (three or four boys in yellow in the front, towards the bottom edge of the poster) holding what look like missiles/really weird guns of some sort?
And is that Marvin the Paranoid Android beside them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.41.162 (talk) 13:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

12:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.41.162 (talk)

Regarding the fellows in yellow: I think they are supposed to be the Ghostbusters, albeit in a fairly loose interpretation. I think you're right that Marvin is next to them. The flying guy is definitely Inspector Gadget. Behind the Ghosbusters is the the guy from Despicable Me, taking a photo of HAL_9000. SemanticMantis (talk) 16:42, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that the boys in yellow are the Ghostbusters. Three of them white, one black, and holding some sort of ray guns attached to backpacks. It all fits. And yes, to the right of them (their left) is Marvin. Poster 1 also includes Beast from the X-Men on the Ferris wheel, Mr. Fantastic and The Thing from The Fantastic Four climbing on the Ferris wheel, Fred Flintstone is the rider of the wheel at the 9 o'clock position, Richie Rich is driving the car, RoboCop is the metal man who is outside of Richie's window, Sonic the Hedgehog is behind Pac Man, the group just to the left of the clock tower includes Darth Vader, Doctor Doom, The Joker, and The Penguin. Dismas|^(talk) 07:24, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And behind the Penguin (by Doctor Doom's elbow) is Harley Quinn. Deor (talk) 23:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the first poster, in addition to Asterix and Obelix, the druid Getafix is seen stirring the pot. Jughead Jones is peering over his right shoulder. --Xuxl (talk) 11:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that these are not supposed to be the characters themselves, but convention attendees cosplaying those characters. So the fact that they mostly do not look exactly like their characters is intentional. For example, on Poster 1 I believe that's supposed to be Donald Duck between Daffy and Popeye, even though the face looks wrong. You can tell that Daffy is wearing a mask as well. John M Baker (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Which may help them to avoid being sued by around 50 different organizations for copyright/trademark infringement! :-) SteveBaker (talk) 20:11, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 24

ISKCON temple

what is the exact number of Iskcon temples across the world? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.140.82.133 (talk) 06:33, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can see a supposedly complete list at http://directory.krishna.com/temples. Rojomoke (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 25

Can I take help from Wikipedia article in writing a book?

I am writing a book on physics these days. I found some Wikipedia articles and images very useful for my book. So, my question is - Can I take help from those articles and use those images in my book? Thank you for your advice! Concepts of Physics (talk) 08:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia. --Viennese Waltz 08:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to use images, make sure to double-check their summaries for a proper source, author and free licensing information. Volunteers try to clean up incorrect uploads, but it's an uphill battle and you will likely stumble over a few unusable ones (license-wise). GermanJoe (talk) 09:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Temple Comprehensive School

I am making some changes to the article, including the infobox. It says that the colours of the school are Blue and Black. Can anybody find out what tone of blue and the Hex number? This is the official website www.mounttemple.ie Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 14:31, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is the sort of question that should have been posted on the article's talk page. --Viennese Waltz 14:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. Thanks. Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 14:57, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The color they use on their website is 0x1214fe - but that's a really strange "school color" because something that saturated and near-primary would be hard to reproduce in non-electronic form - and it's really hard on the eyes!

Significantly, that shade of blue is nowhere even close to any Pantone colors - which would mean that finding things like cloth or paint or colored pencils or markers in that color would be next to impossible. Nobody in their right mind who knows anything about choosing color for logos and such would come up with that choice. Rule #1 - pick a Pantone color!

In any case, I doubt that's their actual school color - this is most likely just a result of poor website design (VERY poor...those school website designers need to see: http://xkcd.com/1264/ !!).

Conclusion is that unless you can track down whoever it was who chose the color in the first place - you're not going to find it...and probably the person who did it just said "Blue and Black" without being too specific about the actual color choice and any more harmonious combination will work for any practical purpose. SteveBaker (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Immigration-Fiancee visa in USA

Hello = My girlfriend (now wife) and I have known each other since Oct. 6, 2006. She is Filipino and had lived there since birth (July 1, 1981). She came here via a fiancee visa on August 29, 2012. We were not married until April 20, 2013. The fiancee visa states you should be married within 90 days of arrival in the USA. Since meeeting her in Oct. 2006 I visited her and her family four times. We were guided by a attorney who told us we could go outside the 90 day period and be all right. She has a social security card (USA), health insurance, bank account, credit card and works in the USA. Now we received a letter from the U.S. Immigration agency saying our request for her to continue to stay was not accepted. Our attorney had filed an I-485 form to allow or change her legal status in the USA but again it was not granted. We will appeal that decision via a "hardship" reason but I fear that maybe we will not be granted a change in her legal status and to allow her to stay which I want and she wants. I need guidance and help to know what options we have and the chance for succees or if not success initially how long before a change would be granted by U.S. immigration.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.196.221.45 (talk) 15:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but we are unable to give legal advice. Looie496 (talk) 16:20, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to talk to an attorney who specializes in immigration matters. Your embassy or consulate might have some names to recommend. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interview

How does a journalist or the newspaper she works for, obtain an interview with a celebrity, let's say, the players of a famous football team? Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 18:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She calls their press agent/press office whose number will be listed in the phone directory, since that is their purpose. With actors you may have to do a little more work, but they have directories for that sort of thing as well, as well as Variety Magazine. μηδείς (talk) 19:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For actors, you can also contact the Screen Actors Guild who will also have a contact for currently dues paying members. μηδείς (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So, she calls their press agent and what does she have to say? I want to interview Andrea Pirlo. Where should I go?. And for actors, what else does she have to do? Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 19:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If a celebrity is visiting a certain town, their press team will issue a press release to all the local print media to inform them of this fact, and also how to get an interview with this person. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In this case, the newspaper the girls works for entrusts her to go to Turin to interview Andrea Pirlo, so she is the one who travels. Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 19:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Setting up interviews is the press agent's job, (see Tammy's comment) so he's not going to give you a hard time. He'll want to know your credentials, who you work for, what you plan to discuss, and when and where it will be published. If the interview has something to do with a book or album or film release he might send you a press kit with a copy of the work and informational material. μηδείς (talk) 19:38, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Only that? If you send the information you obtain an interview? Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 19:52, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's all you need to send...but it doesn't guarantee you an interview! The person might be too busy - or it might be that you picked a sensitive topic - or they might not want to appear in the publication that you represent. Some people just don't like being interviewed. There are many things that can go wrong. But if you are effectively providing them with positive publicity that they need, in a place that people in their desired demographic read - then the odds are reasonable that you'll get an interview - especially if you can be flexible about time, place and duration. SteveBaker (talk) 20:09, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The press agent is going to want to make sure you are not wasting their time or that you wish to embarrass them. So long as you either have a reputation for yourself, or work for a reputable outfit, the agent will be happy to accommodate you if possible. I had a boyfriend who, as a teenager, hung out at a college radio station. He started requesting press kits simply as a means of getting free music CD's. Eventually he ended up being given short weekly spots to interview band members for five-minute spots. He basically fell into it by accident, and the fact that having kits mailed to him at the radio station made him look like a legitimate radio personality. μηδείς (talk) 20:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great. So, reputation is all I need? Miss Bono^{[hello, hello!]} 20:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, either your own, or that of the outfit you work for. μηδείς (talk) 20:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 26

AASHTO approved the I-110 renumbering from State Route 11

I know the renumbering of 7/710 and 11/110 were done separately (4 or 5 years apart). According to what I have learned In 1978 Federal Highway Administrations approved the I-110 as a chargeable interstate, but when did AASHTO approved the I-110 renumbering. 1979? Early 1980? Because what I have learned is 1981 is when I-110 replaced the SR 11 designation. I think is more important to focus on when did AASHTO approved the numbering systems, because answering when did the numbers changed really is quite pointless to indicate. From I-710, it follows; I-710 was approved by FHWA in September 1983 and approved by AASHTO in May 30, 1984. SVResource website indicated in 1991, there have been some of SR 7 signs in Downtown LB still existing. I am not sure about AASHTO approved the I-110 is it 1979, 1980? I-110 renumbering is definitely before I-710 renumbering about 4 or 5 years difference.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 04:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

JasBrow (talk) 07:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I use Scott "Kurumi" Oglesby for all of my 3 digit Interstate history. His website Kurumi.com is fairly well researched and he's got references to all of his sources (which he's been doing since the 1990s, long before Wikipedia made it fashionable to do so). His I-110 page here states that the upgrade to an Interstate was approved in 1978, and that the signage went up in 1984. His I-710 page here states that the number change was approved in September, 1983 (as an interstate) and May, 1984 (as I-710 specifically) and the signage went up in October 1984. Other internet Interstate historians have more information as well. For example Dan Faigin here notes the specific acts which resulted in the renumbering of 110. AARoads: here has some more information as well. The year 1981 as the actual year the specific number for 110 was chosen, so from these sources we have the following timeline: for the 110: Approved as an Interstate 1978, number assigned 1981, signs changed 1984. For 710: approved as an Interstate Sept. 1983, number assigned May 1984, signage went up October 1984. Given the proximity in time when the signs were actually posted, and the close geographic proximity, the signage changes were likely part of the same project. --Jayron32 14:39, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So for I-880 and I-980 is the same rule: I-880: FWHA approved: 1983, number chosen: 1984, signs changed: 1986. I-980: FHWA approved: 1976:, number chosen: 1981, signs changed: 1986 When Jaayron mentioned sign changing, does than mean it will have to take more than one year to upgrade the entire sign exist at their highway. Do Megalopolis have to do sign changing at the same time is because it is easier for commuters, why don't they do it at the different time. Because I like different time sign changing rather than same time.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 00:07, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's no official nationwide policy on how and when signs change. When the authority in charge of doing so gets the money and resources together, they make new signs then they hire a crew to go out and change them. It's just like that. --Jayron32 00:48, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, [1] Floodgap roadgap said in 1981 CA 11 became Interstate 110, so the sign changings have to happen at the end of 1981, maybe November 1981, budgets may be limited to replace all the signs so at that time sign changes may not be able to produce all of it, from interstate-guide it said that California 11 was signed on the Harbor Freeway until 1981, when it became Interstate 110 and California 110. Interstate 710 was not created until 1984, so there was a three-year gap between the creation of the two Interstate routes.--69.233.252.198 (talk) 01:32, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pubs in Hunslet, Leeds 1840 - 1930

I am currently researching my family history and discovered that my great great grandfather Joseph Tomlinson (1846-1919) was landlord of the Prince of Wales Pub located at 17 Marsh Lane, Hunslet between c1890 and 1894 before becoming the landlord of The Spotted Dog Inn, 58 Church Street, Hunslet in 1894 until his death in January 1919. The Spotted Dog was also used for Coroners Inquests during the period Joseph was there as landlord. I am looking for any information on these two pubs including any photographs from this period. I have located a picture of the Spotted Dog which was taken in the 1970's when the pub was in a derelict state awaiting demolition. However, this is not the original Spotted Dog as the photograph shows a date of 1928 in the eaves indicating that the pub was rebuilt in 1928. I have searched the internet for information on these two pubs but have been unable to locate any information whatsoever apart from this photograph and a newspaper article in the Yorkshire Evening Post dated May 29, 1903 concerning an attempted suicide of a servant girl who was living at the Spotted Dog. Any information about these two pubs during the time Joseph was there would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JasBrow (talk • contribs) 07:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think your first port of call should be the 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses which will tell you who was with your relative in those pubs. Ancestry is a good site for family history research of this nature. You may also find local history groups on the internet who can help with this. Your local archives service should also hold material relating to this pub. Finally, the National Archives may be able to help locate using the Access to Archives facility. I'll come back to you with some links. --TammyMoet (talk) 12:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC) I've asked a friend who is researching pubs in Barnsley whether she knows of any sites, and I'll report back what she says. I note you've posted elsewhere on the internet too. Are you aware of the Historical Directories site? --TammyMoet (talk) 12:32, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also recommend contacting the Local Branch of CAMRA covering the area (via CAMRA's national website). It's quite likely that one or more of its members will have access to (or will even have written) books or other historical materials about pubs in the area and era – this is a common interest amongst we Xythophilists! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Zythophilists eh? Great drinkers but can't spell. ;-) Richard Avery (talk) 14:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite what you are looking for, but I found; "Pickard, Anty. painter & victualler Spotted Dog, Chapel St, Hunslet" in History, gazetteer, and directory, of the West-Riding of Yorkshire by William White, 1837 (p.591). So the place had a bit of age to it. Alansplodge (talk) 19:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This contact may have more information, or be able to put you in touch with other sources - have you contacted him? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:04, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's also possible that this guy may have information or sources he can share with you. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Have a Nice Day" writing format

Hi there, on the "Have a Nice Day" article I've included a Critical response section and one of them criticises the song's signature line: "Ba, ba da, ba, ba, ba da, da". I'm wondering how on earth I would write the ba ba da's :S

There is an audio sample of the ba ba da's so you understand what I'm talking about haha, thanks :) Ultra Violet Light 16:33, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a matter of what you think. The reference you quoted to back up this claim actually said "The "ba-ba-ba's" in the background push the song from merely grating to room-fleeingly bad." - so "ba-ba-ba" it is! SteveBaker (talk) 18:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Crumbs! So it did, thanks :D Ultra Violet Light 19:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It would be more interesting to find out how such a supposedly horrible song reached number 5 on the charts. Possibly the critic's viewpoint is not mainstream. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:18, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure the charts are a reliable definer of 'good' songs. Stop the Cavalry by Jona Lewie and Ernie (The Fastest Milkman in the West) by Benny Hill come immediately to mind. Richard Avery (talk) 08:00, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The charts define what's popular. I can think of any number of old Top 40 hits that I found to be wretched, but that doesn't stop the Casey Kasems of the world from playing them. I just question why an article about a song requires one particular negative reviewer's opinion. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:54, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good versus popular. Hmmm - that's a debate you'll have a hard time ending if it ever gets started. Fortunately, a Wikipedia article only has to care about what reviews are notable and authoritative - if this one is, then we should write about it - if it's not, then dump it. SteveBaker (talk) 19:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely the point. Opinions of random "notables" often get slipped into articles by editors who just happen to agree with the reviewer: Source-based POV-pushing. If I could find a reviewer who said "I Will Always Love You" is a thoroughly obnoxious, totally irritating song, I couldn't say that in the article myself, but I might be able to find someone "notable" who said it, and that would work. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The song is from the album which started a critical backlash for Stereophonics (mainly because of the lead single "Mr. Writer"), although neither of them state about said backlash. I'm working on gathering sources for the album and "Mr. Writer" to include this :) Ultra Violet Light 19:46, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's all to do with the Massive Global Worldwide Transference Syndrome Paradigm Effect. It works like this: When someone likes something, that somehow makes it "good". When they like it a lot, that makes it "great". When they like it even more, that makes it "awesome". At the other end of the scale, when someone dislikes something, that somehow makes it "shit". Et cetera. All complete rubbish, of course. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it depends on the critic. Didn't Mark Twain say about Wagner, "His music is better than it sounds"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:08, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's usually attributed to Mark Twain because it appeared in his autobiography, but he was apparently quoting Edgar Wilson "Bill" Nye [2], [3]. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:01, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References and format help for the Scott Community College page

Hello everyone! I am really trying to revamp and make some needed changes to a page about the school I am attending.

I have made a few small changes, additions really, but the page lacks citations all-around. I know much of the information is fairly correct, but I know some of the information is outdated, and none of it has any citations.

The items I added (school Presidents, Chancellors, etc.) has reliable sources attached, but I really would like to see if someone can help me with a better wikitable format for the information I added. Or, maybe not even a wikitable, maybe something else works better for the information I have provided to the page.

Here is the page as it stands. I hope someone can help!

Scott_Community_College

--ErikVKing (talk) 23:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found the source for the missing citations, but it seems to have been copied verbatim into the article: http://www.eicc.edu/business/support/foundations/scott/getin2/history.html

Iow state .gov websites might have official data, for example. For things like online courses offered, I assume that a primary source (the college own website) would be allowed but I'm not sure. Online local newssites might have useful reports (about the campus expansion for example). :Maybe check similar wikipedia articles to see which layout/tables etc. works best. Ssscienccce (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 27

Wheelchair

Hi all,

I've just checked the article about wheelchairs and I've noticed it's only about the wheelchairs for humans. Is there anyone who would like to write information about wheelchairs for animals and pets? After googling "animal wheelchair", we can find many pictures of wheelchairs for dogs, cats and even rabbits, guinea pigs or sheep. Thanks! 92.97.101.170 (talk) 09:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Wheelchair" doesn't seem like quite the right name, to me. After all, the version for pets lacks a chair. Perhaps we should ask what this is properly called, over at the Language Desk, and add an article under that name. StuRat (talk) 09:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. They do seem to be called dog wheelchairs and dog-carts (which is also ambiguous) in the trade, e.g. here and here, so I guess the appropriate article would be called animal wheelchairs or some such.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:05, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Those sound like rather informal names. Is there a more formal name used by the industry ? StuRat (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've dealt a bit with disabled dogs and have visited Eddie's Wheels. The most common term is simply 'cart'. Dismas|^(talk) 14:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Walkin' Wheels claims to produce 'dog wheelchairs', so maybe this should be the name of a potential article. 'Cart' is kind of too general. OsmanRF34 (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

September 28

What's this man doing?

What is this man shucking? Dismas|^(talk) 05:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A coconut. HiLo48 (talk) 06:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Dismas|^(talk) 10:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Lifesaving medal

Hello all, I'm an action-adventure/disaster novelist, and in my first novel there's the following scenario (WARNING: SPOILER ALERT!!!): An American husband-and-wife rescue team (the husband is a field surgeon in the US Army, whereas the wife is a pilot in the US Civil Air Patrol) is dispatched to save the life of a bear-mauling victim on an island in Hudson Bay, the surgeon having to parachute to the island because there's no place to land the plane (they are forced to use a light twin because of the extreme distance to the island, and because of the urgency of the mission). Unfortunately, the wind shifts while the surgeon is in midair, and he lands in the water, where he promptly gets tangled in his own parachute; but the pilot, seeing this, makes a low-level pass over him (at an altitude of 100 feet and an airspeed just above stall) and drops him a life preserver, saving him from drowning (and barely avoiding a radio tower on the island during the pull-out). My question is: Does this make her eligible for the Lifesaving Medal, and if so, is she eligible for the gold or the silver medal? Thanks in advance! 24.23.196.85 (talk) 22:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article says you need to make "extraordinary effort" to earn the awards. That is, of course, purely at the descretion of the Coast Guard Commandant who awards the medals, but from your description I don't think it qualifies. If the surgeon makes it to the island and saves the bear victim, he would be the more likely recipient unless he was on active duty at the time, in which case he would probably get an Army award instead (from my reading of the article anyway). RudolfRed (talk) 23:28, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(sorry, ec. Adding anyways because has slightly more info) The Silver Lifesaving Medal is awarded by the commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard to any person who rescues or endeavors to rescue any other person from drowning, shipwreck or other perils of the water. If the rescue or attempted rescue evidences such extraordinary effort as to merit recognition, the medal shall be silver. [4]

The Gold Lifesaving Medal is awarded by the Commandant of the Coast Guard to any person who rescues, or endeavors to rescue, any other person from drowning, shipwreck, or other peril of the water. To merit the award of the Gold Lifesaving Medal, the rescue must be made at the risk to one’s own life and show extreme heroic daring. [5]

If still in doubt (for example whether a rescue in waters outside the US is eligible), you could always ask the coast guard directly. 184.147.120.88 (talk) 23:31, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]