Talk:A. P. J. Abdul Kalam

Uncertain Death

He died on July 27, at Shillong at 7.55pm.He was caught by heart attack. Leaving veil of tears.

Untitled

Permission valid for this article under CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GFDL. --Alan Lorenzo ^(talk) 14:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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Rumormonger

Some gentleman has edited the text on 22 March 2011 and inserted that Dr Kalam passed away on 22 March 2011. In his hurry to glory, he has forgotten to verify the authenticity of the information. Well, Dr Kalam is fine. Friends, please do not rush to edit the article without checking your facts two times. -Gopalan evr (talk) 11:06, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Where is his science work???

dr. Kalam was heavily involved in India's nuclear and space program. Where is his science work??? Kalam wasn't a political figure but widely known as a scientist.

agreed, this should be mentioned as he help pioneer india's nuclear program.

India's First Most Powerful President

A truly remarkable feat that Abdul Kalam is technically india's first Most Powerful President. Just a suggestion. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.55.99 (talk) 23:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Kalam as Apologist

Can someone start a section discussing Kalam's political standpoint in taking the presidency in the aftermath of the Gujarat 2001 riots, with the support of BJP. It would seem like he was condoning the riots. --Parasakthi ( பராசக்தி ) 02:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Protecting page

This page is the target of many vandalisms and the last 20 or so edits were either vandalism or gross nonsensical errors. You can easily see in history page that multiple reverts were made by admins, but still the page is full of errors. Admins: please consider protecting this page. Akilan (talk) 17:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Shia??

Someone had written that his religion is Shia islam, which makes no sense. As there is no proof of such, I have removed that and replaced it with Islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Swejlove (talk • contribs) 02:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there any documentable proof of his sectarian affiliation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phknrocket1k (talk • contribs) 09:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I would lean toward him being Sunni since he mentions a dream in one of his books where he encountered Caliph Omar. - phknrocket1k —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.206.86 (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

According to his own book, He is an Atheist if that helps clear anything up :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.55.99 (talk) 23:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Bharat Ratna, Padma Bhushan, Padma Vibhushan and Padma Bhushan

Is Bharat Ratna a title? Can it be added to the name? I think no. But can't the others be used as title? I think yes. Does the government tell how to use these?? asdofindia (talk) 17:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC) All of these can and are used as titles. For example Barat ratna Dr. Ambedkar etc. I dont know if this is officially allowed but that using these as title seems to be the general practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.181.126 (talk) 03:50, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Eleventh President, not Twelfth

Hi all, searches on the net reveal a lot of confusion over whether Kalam was the 12th president or 11th. The official govt web site www.presidentofindia.nic.in lists Pratibha Patil as the 12th president and Abdul Kalam as the 11th. Please comment, we need to fix this on the main page quickly. -- Varunbhalerao 06:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article

Hello all, How about collaborating on Dr. Abdul Kalam page for Featured article of the day on July 25, 2007. July 25, 2007 will be the last day of Dr. Abdul Kalam as the president of India. --Phoe6 14:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Lots of work needs to be done to make this article a higher quality one. I think we have already missed the July 25, 2007 date as some other article has come up in the queue. But let us work on it to expand the article and make it FA status. --Phoe6 08:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Proof that Kalam was a Newspaper Vendor

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2043527.stm

The article states His father owned boats which he rented out to local fishermen, but he (Kalam) himself began his career as a newspaper vendor.

Any objection you guys have for me adding this.--138.88.117.66 17:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I also feel we need to talk more about him accomplishments such as HAL Tejas (It's also known as LCA)--138.88.117.66 18:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

So no objections to me changing it then ?--71.163.69.149 22:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen Abdul Kalam claims that he is NOT a Muslim. His parents were Muslim, but he claims to read Hindu literature, to practice vegetarianism, and does not attend a mosque. Can anybody provide any more detail? -- Zoe

All I know is that every radio report and news article I've come across so far in the Western media mentioning him claims that he is A) a "moderate" Muslim and B) also well-versed in the Hindu sacred literature. (And therefore more acceptable to Hindus, and offensive to some Muslims who see him as a sign that a real Muslim would not be acceptable to the Indian public.) An NPR report I remember listening to a week or two ago claimed he "quotes the Mahabharata almost as often as he does the Koran". I'd definitely want more documentation before changing that characterization in the article... --Brion VIBBER

From the 07/19/2002 Los Angeles Times: "Although born to Muslim parents, Kalam, 71, does not describe himself as Muslim. He reads Hindu scriptures each day and is a vegetarian." -- Zoe

Dr Kalam, is a Muslim, as he writes in his books Ignited Minds, and Wings of Fire,

and I have personally read them. --Muthiah Annamalai 05:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

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When he was inauguarated as President there was a lot of writing in the Indian papers about whether he was a real Muslim. Some of the more orthodox Indian Muslims felt that because he read the Kural and Gita he wasn't really a Muslim. Kalam himself identifies himself as a Muslim (and has done that on numerous occasions), I even remember an article about him visiting the shrine of Gharib Nawaz, a famous Indian Sufi, and that I think should be enough evidence to suggest that he is a Muslim. I'm Hindu but I've read the Bible and liked it, that doesn't make me a non-Hindu. It isn't for some cleric to decide who is or isn't a Muslim because Islam does not have that kind of organization (as opposed to say Catholicism or any other organised church where the Pope etc can excommunicate you). As long as he says he's a Muslim (which he explicitly does) that should be enough

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Cancel request to see Talk. — Toby 15:25 Jul 23, 2002 (PDT)

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I called Islam his "family's" faith again, due to the LA Times quotation above by Zoe. But if Muslim scholars consider him Muslim (even if he does not call himself that), then I will put that in the article as well. -- Toby Bartels 23:56, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Increasing intelligence through bio-implants

I've searched online but haven't been able to find any news site or other website that refers to Abdul Kalam's support for research to increase intelligence through bio-implants, mentioned on this page. It would be useful to have a reference for this on the page, as it sounds pretty radical. --RajeevA.

Newspaper seller?

I've been told that Kalam was broke used to sell newspapers as a kid. Since Wikipedia does not mention this, I'm guessing that it is an urban legend. Can anyone confirm the validity of this? If it does happen to be true, I guess that it should be added.

He does mention in his autobiography "Wings of Fire" that he did use to sell newspapers as a kid, so i guess it must be true !

Re : Newspaper seller?

It's not an Urban Legend. Like you said, it was in his Autobiography "Wings Of Fire". Yes it is True \note that only t.n/sheshan is the person who says

Present Political system

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I doubt Abdul Kalam is anything like that. Besides Presidential elections in India have little to do with the public. The Autobiography came out after he was elected. Besides if Krishna Kanth didn't die (Yes the former VP had no intention of running) I doubt Kalam would even have been considered.

One must also take note that Presidents in India don't have much power. He by far has done more than every president in the past 30 years put together. He I think also won the election on his weight with the involvement of Operation Shakthi and his involvement with ISRO etc and his status as a National Hero.

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--138.88.81.141 00:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Dr Kalam as a poet

Dr Kalam happens to write poetry. there is no mention of that in this article sumal 13:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

External link

Hi, I would like to add an external link to the World of Biography entry to this article. Does anybody have any objections ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jameswatt (talk • contribs) 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Note: This user has added similar requests to link to biographies hosted on the same site to about 50 different articles. Although I believe that these requests were made in good faith, adding the links to all of the articles would be spamming. In addition, the biographies tend to be not very insightful and/or minimally informative, and the webpages contain Google AdSense links.

A fuller explanation of my own opinion on these links can be found here, if anyone wishes to read it.

Hbackman 23:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the words "his family's faith" as it is misleading.Bharatveer 04:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties

Constitution of India, Part IV-A, Fundamental Duties.

Article 51A : It shall be the duty of every citizens of India -

(h) to develop the scientific temper, humanism and the spirit of inquiry and reform.

Comment : Present President APJ Abdul Kalam (I say muslim President) offers chaddar to Ajmer sharif Officially and in the article the President of India and profiles of APJ Abdul Kalam it is given that he is Scientist, Missile Technologist. The Wikipedia Encyclopedia gives some contradictory information.

vkvora 17:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

huh??! --hydkat 20:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Red Tape, Bureaucracy, Corruption, Political corruption, Bribery, Extortion, Graft, Money Laundering all are part and parcel of Religon. vkvora 05:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Your blabbering :( This section is meant to discuss how to improve the article, plz create a blog page in livejournal or blogger.com if you want to promote your opinion, and people interested in it might read it there. Thank you! --hydkat 20:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Not a tamil politician

Abdul Kalam was never a politician. I fail to see how he can be classified under Category:Tamil politicians ... removing it. --hydkat 22:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Abdul Kalam was and is a politician. He has taken more than 15 days to sign the bill where as in Constitution of India it is clearly given as soon as possible. Only the question is how deal is completed is not know to general public. He is also part and parcel of Corruption. User:Vkvora2001|vkvora]] 11:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Your above comments is a blatant point of view supported by nonsensical statements--hydkat 12:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Any appliction for New Ration Card is withhold and reason best known to concerned clerk, Inspector or rationing Officer. Corruption start.

Trivia

in the trivia section , please make corrections.it say "he is the first president to fly ..."...he didnt fly a bomber.he took a sortie accompanied by the pilot who flew the craft.its a blunder to say kalam was the first president to fly a fighter.he was the first to fly IN a fighter.make that correction.....thanks.dinesh. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.251.19.29 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 20 August 2006.

about Article111, of the Indian Constitution

I read Article-111, its very ambiguous about when the president should pass the bill if he must. I've removed an edit saying the president should do so 'as soon as possible': [1]

 Article 111: Assent to Bills
 When a Bill has been passed by the Houses of Parliament,it 
 shall be presented to the President, and the President 
 shall declare either that he assents to the Bill, or that 
 he withholds assent therefrom: Provided that the President 
 may, as soon as possible after the presentation to him of 
 a Bill for assent, return the Bill if it is not a Money 
 Bill to the Houses with a message requesting that they 
 will reconsider the Bill or any specified provisions 
 thereof and, in particular, will consider the desirability 
 of introducing any such amendments as he may recommend in 
 his message, and when a Bill is so returned, the Houses 
 shall reconsider the Bill accordingly, and if the Bill is 
 passed again by the Houses with or without amendment and 
 presented to the President for assent, the President 
 shall not withhold assent therefrom.

--hydkat 13:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no ambigity in the Article. It is clearly written and why APJ Abdul Kalam the President of India has withhold the Bill is a main question. Not only that it is self impeachment to APJ Abdul Kalam also. vkvora 15:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I think your main grudge is that he took an undue amount of time to pass some bill... that any delay in his part amounts to an impeachable offense. Understand that this is your POV. --hydkat 10:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Profit Bill presented for assent was returned by APJ Abdul Kalam the President of India for reconsideration. Both the Houses have passed the same Bill without any single change or without amendment and assented by APJ Abdul Kalam. This is self impeachment leads to Harakiri only except ???. vkvora 11:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see how... --hydkat 11:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The last line of Article 111 is ...the President shall not withhold assent.... vkvora 13:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

then why are you adding the word "immediately " then??Bharatveer 03:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I put back the part that says he comes from the Marakkar Community in South India. He is also not the only one from that community to achieve recognition, so I added is one the few --hydkat 07:13, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Note: If you believe he is not from that particular community plz delete... --hydkat 07:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Identity

Identity section especially 2nd Paragraph seems to be totally unsourced. (It talks totally irrelevant subjects like Congress views,Communist views,BJP views about India) which don't need to be mentioned in Biography article of Indian president. It does not have specific message. I feel that section needs to be removed or to be modified with citations or more specific message.

I have removed that paragraph which is original research.--Indianstar 11:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

    
          
      dear   president of india

                i am studying BE EEE in namakkal  please salem to chidambaram route
      is damage .please arrange me good manner

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.1.220.226 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 1 January 2007.

Criticism section

The entire article tends to veer into POV and probably needs a thorough check, but the "criticism" section was particularly egregious:

Kalam has been the subject of strong criticism from leftists in the Indian press, Praful Bidwai being among his staunchest critics . Bidwai was later criticised for his unsubstantiated claims.

When his name was proposed for the Presidency, a sustained campaign was carried out alleging he was not a devout enough Muslim and portraying him as a hardline nationalist. With characteristic humility he ignored these criticisms to subsequently emerge as one of the most popular Presidents - one who, for many, has raised the prestige of the Presidency to new heights.

"Unsubstantiated claims"? "Characteristic humility"? If there is not to be a neutral summary of the criticism that has been made, the article is better off without the section.--Eloquence* 18:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.248.68.198 (talk • contribs) 14:45, 7 February 2007.

Criticism for scientists needs strong references

In the criticism part of the article, any criticism of a scientist has to be referred from an acclaimed journal or science forum where any fraud was applied but in this case all the references are news articles and one of them points to rediff which is not a registered news journalist agency.

"In spite of his leading role in the development of Indian nuclear programme, Kalam has received rogue criticism from many of his leading nuclear peers who claimed that Kalam had "no authority" over nuclear science.[35] Homi Sethna, a chemical engineer criticised Kalam when Sethna claimed that Kalam had no background in publishing articles in nuclear science, even in nuclear physics. Sethna maintained that Kalam received his doctorate in Aerospace engineering which is a completely different discipline from Nuclear engineering, and what various universities awarded him for his achievements had nothing to do with nuclear physics. Sethna, in his last interview, maintained that in 1950s Kalam had failed advanced physics courses during his college life, and quoted "What does he know (about [nuclear] physics)....?", on national television.[36] Others felt that Kalam had never worked in any of the Indian nuclear power plants and had no role in developing the nuclear weapon which was completed under Raja Ramanna.[37] "

Also quoting too much from a single article is not right standard. Homi Sethna's criticism is over emphasized. So many lines of criticism in wiki article need more authenticity and more citations. This paragraph needs changes. Sailpra (talk) 10:59, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The name written in Hindi language has mistake: Pakir

The name in Hindhi has error for the part Pakir. With current name in hindhi it will look "Pikar" in English. How can we make sure its correct? help please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.239.172.72 (talk) 14:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Whether his religion has to be mentioned

Why do we mention religion only for him? Religion is not mentioned for other presidents of India?--Indianstar 05:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, the Sikh religion has been mentioned for the Sikh President. As for the other presidents, they are all Hindu. But you are right. the Hindu religion should be mentionned for them

Not true. India has had several Muslim Presidents such as Zakir Hussain, Muhammad Hidayat Ullah and Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed. If you didn't know India has even had a Sikh President, Zail Singh. Vishnuchakra 20:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Well technically, Abdul Kalam, according to his book, is an avowed Atheist. He can technnically be the first Atheist President if that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.55.99 (talk) 23:37, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Get real!

Is this article a joke? Seems like the one who wrote it is in love with Abdul Kalam. I very much doubt that this man is Superman - but that's the picture this article paints. It would be nice to read something about him that at least seems to be reliable and not obviously is political propaganda written by his closest supporters.

Why so crippled?

Why the article has been crippled a lot? The image I have added (Image:Kalam zoomed in school photo.jpg)too have been removed. --Rrjanbiah 12:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Tenure as a president ??

How come nothing is written about his tenure as a president????? Gprince007 05:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC). Lot of crucial things happened when he was a president, like returning office of profit bill and choosing manmohan singh over sonia gandhi. They surely deserve mention.

Protection

I protected the article following vandalism and an instant stream of protests to the Foundation. Feel free to have the page unprotected if you have sufficient resources to monitor it. David.Monniaux 06:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Arabic letters

I do not understand how writng Kalams name in Arabic is relavant. It should be written in Hindi and Urdu. Arabic is neither an official language in India nor the language of Kalam. 70.64.15.193

Citations

The citations & the trivia section (except for the heading) has been chopped off. Not integrated, cleanly deleted. I cant find the old one either. Somebody please do something...

POV

The People's President section is irreparably POV. The idea itself of a People's President section is POV. I just wanted to mention such a large change (removing the section) before I made it. Millancad 03:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Apolitical President

I am not sure that Kalam is Apolitical at all. The term Apolitical doesn't mean that the person is not associated with any political party. Rather it means that the person is indifferent towards political parties. Since there is no source to say that Kalam considers all parties indifferently and doesn't, at a personal level, support any one, I think it would be logical to remove this sentence from the article. Cheers--Shahab 06:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

What's needed to make it FA

Hey guys can someone please make a shortlist of the essential things that need to be added/done to make this a featured article, so that some of us can get on with it. Regards -- Amit 23:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I think info regarding Kalam's early life(1 full section), His career as a missile scientist(1 paragraph) and tenure as President(1 section) and his current life, is what is needed. Lots of the info can be taken from Wings of Fire including some of Kalam's quotations and possibly a few incidents. Cheers--Shahab 09:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Its a very short article for a person like him. I believe there are lot of issues which are not reported here like his stands on various political issues. He was a very quite president and he completed the term quietly and I believe he would better serve the nation by teaching (which I think he would be doing). because our political system is such that they are their to just fill the pocket and let the nation rote to hell and now after this election the circle is complete. Ekant 15:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and get some info from "Wings of Fire" -- Amit 05:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

When he joined DRDO his first project was building a hovercraft, which he successfully completed. If possible try to get the old pictures of Dr.Kalam and his friends assembling small rockets and taking it to the launched using bicycles in Thumba. Chanakyathegreat 13:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I saw one of those in a newspaper, or perhaps it was a textbook... I'll see if I can get them -- Amit 14:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I've got hold of the book, fellas (Wings of Fire). It's not very big, unlike what I thought. But I don't think I'll get around to reading it until next weekend. Amit 05:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I also think that Info provided in Wikipedia is too short for a personality like APJ Abdul Kalam. More Information can be taken from the wings of fire like his famous quotes. I do not have book “Wings of Fire” If anyone has this book could you please provide all the quotes in section “His quotes”. His is one of the most loved President of India, this is not reflected in the article. He did so many great things when he was president but his work during his tenure as President is not provided so can anyone provide this. He is the most loved personality among children’s after Gandhi ji, Chacha Neharu and few others. We should have at least 15 to 20 pages of information on Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam. Premchanda (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

People's President

seach google for "People's President" Some one seems to have an objection to calling Dr Kalam the people's president... 59.92.180.85 19:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Kalam is a people's president and he is called by the Media and the people in that manner. In Wikipedia also the relevant change can be made. I support it. Chanakyathegreat 13:32, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I have no objection to a sentence like "... have led to Dr. Kalam earning the sobriquet of 'People's president'"; provided it's backed up by some reference, which shouldn't be an impossible task. I suppose a news website like that of NDTV (which ran an sms campaign supporting his reelection) should contain it. Amit 12:37, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Good!

Hey thanks, "The Idiot", for uploading the pic. Hope there are no copyright issues. Cheers -- Amit 04:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone has deleted the images and the tamplate indicating his informations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donrub (talk • contribs) 08:33, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Abdul Kalam's autobiography in audio

Check out this link. Its inspiring to hear the life of Dr.Kalam. http://server1.msn.co.in/sp07/abdulkalam/index.asp

Embhee 20:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Ph.D.

"usually and mistakenly referred to as Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam"

He has over 30 honorary PhDs and thats the reason he is called "Dr." So, shouldnt this line be removed??? 59.92.0.181 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 12:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

A. P. J. Abdul Kalam doesn't have a "earned" Ph.D. Degree. The use of "Dr." before his name is falsification of his degrees. Honorary Ph.D. doesn't allow the receivers to use "Dr." before name. Amitabh Bachchan got Honorary Doctorate 5 Universities, then shall we start addressing "Dr." Amitabh Bachchan. Bill Gates has 4 Honorary Doctorates he should be then called "Dr." Bill Gates.

Enough of reliable sources refer him as Dr. So wikipedia also does. There is no law in the world, which says that you only have to have PhD for using the title Dr. --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 22:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The Doctorate of A. P. J. Abdul Kalam is a "honor NOT a degree". So using Dr. before name is wrong. Talking about laws in the world. There is one law called "Law of Ethics and Morality". Please read controversies associated with Honorary Doctorates in Wikipedia itself. To educate yourself, you may want to read The Protocol School of Washington's Honor & Respect: The Official Guide to Names, Titles, & Forms of Address. I will not waste more time on this page. This page doesn't have facts. Many of the stuff written about the subject are NOT true, Ph.D., professorship, etc.

Are you paying attention to what I wrote? It does not matter if he is or not eligible of calling himself a Dr. I know he has only honorary PhD. But because him being a scientist people usually refer him as Dr. And wikipedia goes by the sources, so Wikipedia calls him a Dr. You may want to read WP:GREATWRONGS.--Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} 00:21, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

text moved from Belfast Operative Bakers' Union page

apj abdul kalam

Before his term as India's president, he worked as an aeronautical engineer with DRDO and ISRO. He is popularly known as the Missile Man of India for his work on development of ballistic missile and space rocket technology.. In India he is highly respected as a scientist and as an engineer.

I don't know why this was where it was, but this is the best place to put it, I think.--Auric (talk) 18:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

The disputed picture

The subject is not very well represented in the picture, I would say it adds almost nothing of worthwhile value to the article, why not simply remove it? Are there any objections to this? Off2riorob (talk) 17:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

What disputed picture ? Abecedare (talk) 17:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)jsdkasjhd

Oh, I missed the BLPN posting; would have been better to simply discuss the matter here in the first instance. I don't think there are any legal or BLP issues with the image per se, but am fine with removing it, since I too don't see what it adds to the article (aside: to me it's clear that Kalam is reading something and not sleeping; just shows how each of us can perceive even "factual" information differently). Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

The Begining is flawed

Someone has written Abdul Kalam WAS. Let me inform you that was is only used when a person isn;t alive. It should be IS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.ankit97 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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Reverted career and removed quotes section

I have reverted career section as the current version was without a single reference. An entire quotes section is unnecessary and is trivia which is clearly against the policy of wikipedia.

US airport incident

I have twice edited this section, with edit note explanation, to remove implicit accusation of cover-up, exaggeration of details, apparently deliberate allowance of misinterpretation, repetition, unexplained abbreviations, and unexplained suggestion of a previous incident. This has been repeatedly reverted, without explanation, by the unregistered editor who proposed an exaggerated report an ITN. So if the current version is to be retained, please at least have the courtesy to address the following issues (in brackets) in the text here reproduced:

Abdul Kalam had his clothes removed (this gives an impression of a forcible strip search: his jacket and shoes were taken away briefly) for explosives inspections and was frisked by the United States (not by the whole country, and not with the knowledge of senior authorities: name the agency involved) while on a plane in New York on 29 September 2011. The former President (incorrect use of capital letter) was on the plane when he was frisked again (nothing in source says that he was frisked twice). He was separated from his jacket and shoes for a while(repetition of truthful element of first sentence). The incident was not reported until 13 November that year.

India threatened retaliatory action as there was a "general sense of outrage" around the country.[18][20] The Indian ambassador to the United States Nirupama Rao was instructed to raise the scandal at the "highest level" with Washington.[18] External Affairs Minister S. M. Krishna said the frisking of Dr. Kalam was "unacceptable and is being taken very seriously".[20] The Indian political class slammed (unencyclopaedic language) the United States and the Congress “condemned” its behaviour.[21] The Indian government released a statement expressing its disgust with the treatment of Abdul Kalam.[22]

The American media largely ignored the incident (impossible to verify, and unacceptably judgemental tone) though it received brief mentions on blogs run by Voice of America and The Wall Street Journal websites.[23][24] The United States said it was sorry for its breach of protocol.[19] CPI M (As previously asked twice: what is CPI M? Link it, explain it, or delete it) General Secretary Prakash Karat called for US citizens to be finger-printed and photographed in return.

Please address these issues, or restore my version of the text where they were not problematic Kevin McE (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Name in Hindi

Can anyone add his name in Hindi? It would be appropriate as he is the president of India. Gsingh (talk) 21:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

No. Transliterations are used only to indicate how a name looks in its original language/and or as a pronunciation guides. --Sodabottle (talk) 03:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Is this a wikipedia guideline or your personal opinion? Gsingh (talk) 03:44, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

There is no official guideline/policy yet. But this is the general agreed practice. There was a recent discussion on this in the india project noticeboard. You can read various views and solutions on this. But i know for sure adding hindi transcription to this article will lead to a edit war and retaliatory edits somewhere else and cause endless drama - which is why we advice not to use native scripts as only a transliteration aid and not as a "identity tool"--Sodabottle (talk) 06:53, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Criticisms and controversies

I feel that the section of Criticisms and controversies is over emphasised here especially the pokhran test, this is something that was present in the news long time back and it was never dragged so I think we can trim it --sarvajna (talk) 10:07, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think the section is too long to consider trimming. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 11:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

But dont you feel that too much weightage is given to some unimportant isuues like the contoversy about the pokhran test?--sarvajna (talk) 11:43, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Religion of APJ

In the infobox there is a mention of APJ's religion, not sure if there is any reference as far as I know he claims to be an atheist --sarvajna (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I also thought about that during the INCOTM, but couldn't find any references, if you have any please go ahead and remove it. Kondi (talk) 08:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

His religion mentioned as Sunni Islam in the info box as of November 25, 2012. Where is the citation for that? A few weeks back, it was mentioned as "Humanism". Please correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sreejithsasikumar (talk • contribs) 07:48, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Matter posted to India Related notice board. Wasif (talk) 11:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

re-writing intro

I am re writing the intro to be consize and matching with wiki guidlines Shrikanthv (talk) 08:46, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Great work. Will be helping you out :) -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 11:27, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Summary of criticism section in lead

Various editors (including two IPs) have been removing the summary of the criticism section in the lead. The criticism section is sourced. The paragraph in the lead is a summary-style précis of the section. Please stop content blanking sourced material just because it does not jibe with your POV. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:46, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I have reverted all those edits. I understand they all very very much sourced, and must present neutral point of view. Thanks! -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 13:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:A. P. J. Abdul Kalam/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ankit Maity (talk · contribs) 12:09, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   • Biography needs {{Persondata}}
   • The lead should adequately summarize the content of the article. (Lead contains nothing about Future: 2020 and all)
   • Wikilinks should only be made if they are relevant to the context. Common words do not need wikilinking.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Comment

Sorry for delayed reply. Thanks Ankit for coming up and reviewing the nomination. Will you mind if you can let me know what are the necessary fixes I should work on the article? I believe that your review wasn't a detailed one and can be worked on after fixing few problems. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 16:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it written under the Review section (Point 1)? --Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 15:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

In addition to the issues raised in Point 1 (and the peer reviewer), I have a few more suggestions:

Have worked upon the provided link, on whatever I could. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 14:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

• {{cn}} tags should be addressed or removed as appropriate
  •  Done -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 19:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
• What makes this a reliable source?
  • Removed it, adding new reliable sourced. -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 13:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
• Some general copyediting needed for grammar
  •  Done. Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• Issues with non-neutral/unencyclopedic tone - for example, "he had a discipline of starting the day at 4:00 am following the footsteps of his father"
  •  DoneRemoved it. Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• Criticisms need more citations
  •  DoneMore citations and also topic on mercy plea included.Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
• Perhaps a bit overemphasis on frisking? Nikkimaria (talk) 20:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Seconded Nikkimaria.--Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 16:08, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Three incidents of national importance,so think needs to be retained - reworded some portions. Ssriram mt (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

My on-off Wiki status is probably delaying stuff's. Working on all these issues in a slow track. Thanks! -- ♪Karthik♫ ♪Nadar♫ 19:48, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

•  Done Other potions of importance like interaction with students, visiting prof, integrated missile program have been expanded.

Add "popular culture" to the lead.--Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 12:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

 DoneSsriram mt (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

• Carried out a second round of copy-edit, removed dubious references and streamlined some sections. Ssriram mt (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Add "Controversies" to lead. Change ",and" to "and".--Ankit Maity^Talk_Contribs 06:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done Good spot on the and, - have changed and also added the controversies part in the lead.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Religion

User:Wasifwasif is adding unreliable sources to make changes to A. P. J. Abdul Kalam's religion. He is asked to refrain from doing and use talkpage to discuss the matter. Thanks--Neelkamala (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Matter already reported to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics Neelkamala is asked to stop Edit warring. Wasif (talk) 11:17, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

See WP:BLPCAT. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to Nomoskedasticity for intervening and reverting edits of Wasif. --Neelkamala (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

The discussion is ON in India related topics and the consensus arrived there would be final. i am not going to revert until then. Wasif (talk) 06:01, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Categories

Hi. Wasifwasif ..He is already listed as "Tamil Scientist" and "ISRO people", which are both subcategories of "Indian Scientists", and further as he is already listed as "Tamil Scientist", "Tamil politician" and "Tamil engineers" "Tamil poets ", so isn't "Tamil peole" obvious? Kindly check yourself also and remove the super categories of already listed sub-categories. --Vigyani (talk) 15:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I've now done it anyhow. --Vigyani (talk) 00:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Is Dr. Abdul Kalam a follower of Sathya Sai Baba?

Is Dr. Abdul Kalam a follower of Sathya Sai Baba ? See reliable sources notice board Please comment there, not here, in order to have a centralized discussion. I am asking because I am checking the list of followers at Sathya Sai Baba. Thanks in advance. Andries (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Criticism

I deleted a section titled "Personal Attacks" from the article about Kalam over-claiming credit for the missile program, since the section's content were not at all supported by the sources it cited. However, there well may be other reliable and relevant sources on the topic. If so, feel free to re-add this point of criticism to the article, although it may be best to run it by the talk page first . Abecedare (talk) 17:41, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

APJ Abdul Kalam is Dead

Hey All It's very to sorry inform that Mr.Kalam died on Monday 27/07/15 after falling during a speech. Akshatbahety (talk) 15:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Doubt

Died at age 0. Is that a typo?
223.176.159.180 (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

Since APJ abdul kalam is no more, his died section needs to be changed from (0) to (83) Anurag imp (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)  Done by another - Arjayay (talk) 16:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Uncertain Death

He died on 27th July,2015.He was suffered by the heart attack during speech at Shillong.He was taken immediately to hospital.but, uncertainly he died at 7.45 pm.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

He was passed away on 24-0-2015 in Meghalaya on a speech. During a a Meeting Nalini 1985 (talk) 15:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)  Done by another - Arjayay (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2015

He was born in a fishermen boat owner family. Despite poverty we rose to such high level.

182.65.11.70 (talk) 15:57, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: - The article already states his father was "a boat owner, and his mother Ashiamma, a housewife. He came from a poor background and started working at an early age to supplement his family's income." I think that covers it - Arjayay (talk) 16:12, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Request to add the Honorary Doctorate award from Carnegie Mellon University in the awards list.

Please add this to the awards: Honorary doctorate by Carnegie Mellon University. Awarded on Oct 17, 2007 https://www.cmu.edu/news/archive/2007/October/oct26_kalam.shtml Ruchi901 (talk) 16:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Name in Tamil

Could someone add Dr. Kalam's full name in the Tamil script. ThanksBodha2 (talk) 16:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

• We don't normally add indic scripts on English Wikipedia. See WP:INDICSCRIPT. 117.192.185.65 (talk) 17:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)