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Article milestones
DateProcessResult
September 29, 2009Articles for deletionRedirected
February 24, 2015Articles for deletionKept

Picture

Can we get a pic peeps? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.191.103 (talk) 07:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not if it is copyrighted, which is the reason why so many inserted here have been deleted. - Sitush (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 1 October 2012

Hi! I just wanted to add a picture of Kylie and also her sister Kendall. Let me know if I can please! -MariB90 MariB90 (talk) 16:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can add a picture if it follows the image policy. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2014

i would like to change her height and also the status of her relationship because she is currently 5 foot 8 inches and in a relationship. Smontana123 (talk) 02:49, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:32, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2014

Smontana123 (talk) 02:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:33, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested redirect

Kylie Jenner → Keeping Up with the Kardashians

The last AfD was keep but the closing admin said that it did not prohibit editors from redirecting to an appropriate target, either boldly or by talk page consensus. So she is a part of the Kardashian mob, I wouldn't dare just boldly redirect it in fear of the backlash lol But I think she needs to be redirected to Keeping Up with the Kardashians. She's notable for nothing, not yet anyway. Maybe in a couple years when she's made a name for herself other than just being apart of the K tribe. Support or Oppose with a valid reason and not just because you love her. Pinging editors who commented on the last AfD @SNUGGUMS:, @OnlyGCX: LADY LOTUS • TALK 11:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per WP:BIOFAMILY, which states "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person", and notability is not inherited. 13:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
  • No Merge I don't care for the person but if anyone else had "written" a book that got reviewed enough by multiple sources, hosted a national award broadcast, created multiple fashion brands with her name, appeared on multiple reality shows, been on multiple magazine covers, some phenomenon called the "Kylie Jenner lip challenge" is being reported on, no matter if the family got her the fame, some cases this works out (Michael Jackson). If it was anyone else they would qualify and all because someone is a member of a family is not a reason to merge, all that coverage plus what she gets for her controversy/"philanthropy" pushes her over WP:GNG. I find it laughable one support was considered a "discussion" enough to merge. I can understand some might feel like the person below in the sub header but that's not the case. Being on national magazine covers/writing national books/hosting national televised award shows is enough via WP:GNG GuzzyG (talk) 00:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/restore I honestly don't care either about American "stars" like this, but I think GuzzyG has made a good case for why Jenner is individually notable. (I'm really not seeing any consensus to redirect, and please don't redirect this talk page, we're allowed to have a discussion. I can see that I'm responding a little late, but it's not too late to undo the redirect.) — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment per the AfD, there were 4 votes total, 2 for redirects and 2 for keeps for reason of her being a "host" of an award show. The admin stated at the closing "The result was keep. This does not prohibit editors from redirecting to an appropriate target, either WP:BOLDly or by talk page consensus." I came here to get talk page consensus, along with the two other votes from AfD and the other one from the talk page, I waited a month to get more responses but there were none so I redirected it. LADY LOTUS • TALK 17:35, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is also important to remember WP:IDONTLIKEIT GuzzyG (talk) 03:15, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I undid the redirect see WP:Requests for undeletion#Kylie Jenner Naue7 (talk) 23:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm going to copy User:Fuhghettaboutit's comment from here since they make some important points: "I see little in the way of consensus at that small discussion." ... "Additional consensus can also be sought by drawing more people to the discussion, but I don't see much point to that as ultimately this should be expanded (definitely not by me) – because Kylie Jenner is massively, inarguably notable, being written about in detail i thousands and thousands of reliable secondary sources. That is, if someone is willing to take the time to do so properly for this BLP, which requires high quality sourcing. The people at the talk page discussion are confused. They appear to be substituting some idea of gravitas with notability, and making assessments from what appears in the article rather than what appears in the world. The objective standard is met so completely here, that there's little to discuss about it (there are 132 news articles mentioning her found through Google News that were posted over the last 24 hours; of course we require substantive coverage, but I am just giving that statistic to set the stage for just how absurd is the idea that there is any notability question here). This is also notwithstanding the 2015 AfD discussion, which is an apparent incredible failure of anyone to actually look to evidence." — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 08:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per WP:BIOFAMILY Rockhead126 (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Socialite

I don't think she is a socialite. First, you can't be a socialite at age 17, and you can't be one if you got your start in reality TV. Socialites are people with a lot of money who attend lots of classy parties and charitable events - emphasis on classy. It is a highbrow term. None of the Jenners or Kardashians are highbrow enough to fit in this group. Go to newyorksocialdiary.com if you want to see what socialites are. 108.244.74.98 (talk) 02:37, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship with Tyga

Okay for several months now it's been reported Kylie and Tyga are in a relationship. The media has been on this for a long time. It sparked a twitter feud between Khloé and Amber Rose also involving Kayne West. It has also sparked a feud with Blac Chyna.[2] However, he denied those rumors for months until March 2015, when he declared his love for Jenner, confirming their relationship.[2]

 Partly done Naue7 (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do we also need to list her past relationship with Cody Simpson? ---- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2597534/Kylie-Jenner-heads-salon-ex-Cody-Simpson-jokes-breakup.html
I don't see why not look at Leo DiCaprio's page. I would suggest not using the dailymail as a source though as someone has already deleted all the refs from this article saying it's unreliable. Here is a direct source from Cody saying it in a radio interview on their site that should be a good source to use.[1] Also you could add Jaden Smith.[2][3][4] Naue7 (talk) 00:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Fernadez, Steven. "Remix Magazine Beauty & Luxe Edition with KYLIE JENNER". Remix Magazine. Remix Magazine. Retrieved 5 May 2015.
  2. ^ a b "Tyga Confirms Relationship with Kylie Jenner in Sweet Instagram Post". People Magazine. March 14, 2015. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2015

justn a newer and clearer photograph for Kylie Jenner. Its at: http://40.media.tumblr.com/183beb6666ab552d7d4d5f0952cd3e5d/tumblr_nodrsepBJZ1u0737co1_500.jpg Jks0222 (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Hi Jks0222. Unfortunately, it is unlikely that we will be able to use that image, as it is likely copyrighted (due to legal reasons, we must assume that images on the Internet are copyrighted unless the author explicitly waives their rights). Under Wikipedia's Non-free content policy, we cannot use copyrighted photos to illustrate living people, even under the fair use criteria, because if the person is still alive, it should be possible to find a non-copyrighted photo of them. Note that the image in this article is a screenshot from a Youtube video where the uploader specifically released it under a Creative Commons License permitting reuse. Altamel (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lips

Can we mention that she had lip fillers, or is that "WP:TRIVIA"?

--88.104.136.143 (talk) 19:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Father?

Can someone explain why Caitlyn Jenner is listed as Kylie's father? This is misgendering, plain and simple, though perhaps more subtle than usual. I vote we either change it to "Mother" or simply remove it entirely. Thoughts? 162.235.91.193 (talk) 16:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC) CaitlynFan[reply]

  • It isn't misgendering, as Caitlyn is Kylie's biological father. Whilst Caitlyn is of course now recognized as a female, the fact of the matter is that at the time, she wasn't, and I don't believe she identified as a female at that point. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:44, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just because she wasn't recognized as a woman doesn't mean she wasn't a woman. Identifying Caitlyn as a father - and, therefore, indirectly as a man - is strictly against Wiki policy, per MOS:IDENTITY. 162.235.91.193 (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)CaitlynFan[reply]
I'm generally sympathetic towards the misgendering arguments, but that one is simply ludicrous. Following our policies may lead to the conclusion that Kylie's father was a woman, but can't lead to the conclusion that Caitlyn was Kylie's mother.—Kww(talk) 17:42, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's ludicrous to suggest that a woman was someone's mother. It's not ludicrous to suggest that a woman was someone's father. Is that what you're saying? 162.235.91.193 (talk) 18:02, 10 June 2015 (UTC)CaitlynFan[reply]
  • Look, CaitlynFan, Caitlyn was known as Bruce at the time, and she, as far as anyone can tell, identified as male at that point in time. She is Kylie Jenner's biological father, and I'm sure you know how natural babies are made by now. And you're also deliberately misrepresenting Kww's comment there, by the way. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:04, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Who cares what people think Caitlyn identified as at the time of conception? We now know that she's a woman and has always been a woman. Wiki policy says we avoid harm and avoid misgendering. Don't like that? Take it to MOS:IDENTITY. 162.235.91.193 (talk) 18:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)CaitlynFan[reply]
  • The thing is, she is biologically Kylie's father - which, unless you've got DNA evidence to the contrary, is an indisputable fact - so she needs listing as Kylie's father in the infobox. I don't see the point in wasting any further time with someone making a fairly daft demand based on a misinterpretation of policy. And for what it's worth, I don't see having a female father as being necessarily that crazy; some kids brought up by lesbians may well identify one parent as being their father, and the opposite may occur for a child brought up by two male parents. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 19:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Father" and "Mother" may be gendered words in sociological usage, however they also have clearly defined biological definitions. Caitlyn is, in fact, biologially the father of Kylie (i.e. Caitlyn provided the sperm necessary to conceive Kylie). Therefore, I believe that Caitlyn should be listed as "Father". - 2602:306:C5A7:4D40:450C:7937:B3E7:4062 (talk) 23:30, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think anyone is denying that Caitlyn biologically provided the sperm that conceived Kylie. The question is why it is relevant to specifically point that out. In comparison, the infobox in the Bill Clinton article doesn't explicitly make a point out of whether each of mr. Clinton's parents provided either a sperm or an egg. So why is it suddenly so important to point this out just because one of Kylie's parents is transgender? To me, making a big deal out of the fact that Caitlyn Jenner biologically fathered Kylie comes off as spiteful, as a way of subtly reminding everyone that Caitlyn Jenner used to be considered a man by society. I see no other justification for this than trans-shaming, which is a childish form of bullying unfit for an encyclopedia. I say we should treat Kylie Jenner just the same as Bill Clinton and remove the mother/father identifiers. Belchior90 (talk) 18:17, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a good point. I was under the impression that the sidebar was more standardized than it actually is (as in it always lists mother and father with identifies, etc.). However, with the Bill Clinton example, Clinton's parents aren't labelled "Father" and "Mother" BUT the sidebar does list his biological father as his parent despite the fact that his father died before he was born and Bill Clinton's father (father in the sociological sense - i.e. caretaker and guardian) isn't listed on the sidebar at all. Another example is that Kim Kardashian is listed as "half-sister" (biological definition) when in fact they were raised as sisters (sociological definition). From my reading of various celebrity biographies is that the sidebar takes biological meanings first, followed by legal meanings and then sociological meanings. My point is that we should standardize the sidebar. Familial relationships can get quite complicated. - 2602:306:C5A7:4D40:98DC:7079:BA40:A0BB (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is my opinion that we should remove "Father." but we should then also remove "Mother" from Kris Jenner on this article and associated articles. - 2602:306:C5A7:4D40:98DC:7079:BA40:A0BB (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2015 (UTC) Also, Caitlyn Jenner should always be listed as Caitlyn Jenner (formerly Bruce) or just Caitlyn Jenner rather than Bruce Jenner (now Caitlyn). On Brody Jenner's page it was listed as the latter and I changed it to the former. - 2602:306:C5A7:4D40:98DC:7079:BA40:A0BB (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2015

Bruce Jenner is the father of Kylie & Kendall. There is no way CAITLYN Jenner can be. Please fix.. 24.204.45.151 (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Given previous discussions on this page and ongoing discussions at MOS:IDENTITY, there's definitely no consensus to make such a change at this time. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts there. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:35, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2015

Parent is Bruce Jenner, not Caitlyn Jenner.

72.49.12.20 (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: see explanation immediately above. Cannolis (talk) 12:56, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2015

Pizzaeater007 (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2015 (UTC) biggest pothead on the planet[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 19:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tyga

Why is Kylie's relationship with Tyga mentioned on his Wikipedia page but not on hers? I saw another post about this on the Talk page but the relationship has not been added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.81.182.235 (talk) 01:41, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2016

That main cover photo is not the best to use for such a huge celebrity. Some choices where CC 2.0 is shown on Flickr.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kylie_Jenner_Billboard_Music_Awards.jpg https://www.flickr.com/photos/disneyabc/19548211370/

Can we get a subthread as well on her lip kit success - and the fast sell out. http://fashionista.com/2016/03/kylie-lip-kit-traffic http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/kylie-jenner-lipstick-sold-out_us_565c88cde4b079b2818b0049?section=australia http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3433994/Kris-Jenner-joins-daughter-Kylie-work-lab-Lip-Kit-sells-out.html

Ja3ob (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done the image has already been deleted as "Non-free Flickr license disallowing commercial use and/or derivative works" the second "request" is not a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". - Arjayay (talk) 20:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

the photo that is used for kylie is a terrible photo of her. is there any way to add a better one?

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