Talk:Cheryl (singer)

Change of name 3

LBC's Steve Allen says that she now wishes to be know as the single name "Cheryl".78.151.24.27 (talk) 04:48, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

• She can call herself Gertrude all for I care - Article's staying as it is. –Davey2010^Talk 16:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Seeing as she changes her name every 5 minutes, it's not going to affect this article any time soon. anemoneprojectors 09:33, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
    • It's a two minute job.78.151.30.74 (talk) 13:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
      • That's two minutes of our lives that we never get back every time she gets fed up with being known as X or Y. Article can stay as Cheryl Fernandes-Versini for the rest of this decade as far as I'm concerned. This is Paul (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
        • And, if it were to change, it'd be back to Cheryl Cole if anything. livelikemusic talk! 01:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
          • Maybe we should move the page to a title including all possible names, like Cheryl Tweedy-Cole-(singer)-Fernandez-Versini (you know her, the woman from the telly who sings). LOL, sorry, I'm really in a jokey mood. Anyway, being serious, on her social media accounts she calls herself simply Cheryl. Newspapers refer to her as either Cheryl F-V or just Cheryl. In light of her soon-to-be divorce from J-B, she might drop the F-V. Still, for now, I think we should leave the article as it is. Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 23:43, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
            • Linguist111 - I have a few but they're not really appropriate here :P, I'd support just Cheryl as then that way it would never need to be moved again :) –Davey2010^Talk 23:47, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
              • At a recent awards gala, she was presented as "Cheryl Cole". I am fairly certain she will simply be known as "Cheryl" in her music career. livelikemusic talk! 23:50, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
                • Or maybe we could give her a brand new name, something really random or another celebrity's name, like "Tori Spelling" or something. (Just kidding, still :-p) Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 23:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
                  • I just think it's going to become problematic and proves why the page should've never been moved to its current title in the first place. livelikemusic talk! 23:59, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
                  • Problem is I don't think none of us expected a name change that quick - She's gone through so many surnames that it's got the point where the community is now fed up of moving it from one name to the next so I do genuinely wonder if a last request to "Cheryl" is a good idea as opposed to this, All singers have different surnames in the their lives and I understand that but with her it's a new surname every week!, If a request popped up I'd give it 100%. –Davey2010^Talk 00:03, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
                    • If another name request opened, I'd only support it be changed back to "Cheryl Cole" or to "Cheryl (entertainer)", as she's not really a singer-per say. Never liked it being changed to F-V, as she barely had the name for six-months to one-year before it was changed. livelikemusic talk! 00:28, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

COI complaint

Just to let people know, there's been a COI complaint here Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Cheryl Fernandez-Versini. The complaint IMO seems to be without merit since no evidence of a COI has been presented thus far. Late in the complaint, an accusation was made of editors on this talk page working together and possibly being sockpuppets, again IMO without merit. Nil Einne (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

It can be very difficult to demonstrate COI editing beyond dispute if it has been done well. The tone of the article is the giveaway - if the article consistently accentuates the positive and diminishes the negative then COI editing is very likely. This isn't just fancruft - it is apparent in celeb articles where almost no actual fans exist, such as Heather Mills. As I said in an earlier comment, there is no obvious solution to the problem of well resourced PRs gaming WP. --Ef80 (talk) 13:40, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I admit it ... It's me ....I'm the COI editor!, I love the woman so much I just had to fill the page with all my love! </sarcasm>. –Davey2010^Talk 16:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. No opposition towards moving this page. (closed by a page mover) (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 07:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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Cheryl Fernandez-Versini → Cheryl (entertainer) – After the discussion above I've decided to hopefully fill a last ever request - Many BLPs have gone through various surnames in their lives however this BLP has gone through quite alot, Many requests for this to be moved to F-V had failed until 6 months ago when it was eventually decided it should be moved .... but now 6 months later she's divorced (or going to be divorced) so I'm assuming at some point soon she's going to end up with a new surname and thus all this is going to go in another cycle and start all over again with requests & moving and it could go on forever ..... So I'm proposing that we as a last move request move this article so that we don't have this stupid cycle of after 6months to a year the article has to be moved to a new surname, Many sources even this year still state "Cheryl Cole" (Results on GNews 214,000), "Cheryl V-F" (Results on GNews: 123,000) and just "Cheryl", Thanks –Davey2010^Talk 01:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

• Cheryl (musician), Cheryl (singer) are others I've thought of If that's of any help, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 01:11, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Support

• Support — To once and for-all end the on-going page moves. She's chosen to refer to herself as "Cheryl" in her music career, which is her main notable career choice of almost two-decades. This should end the endless page-request moves! livelikemusic talk! 01:08, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I must also state that I am supporting the music to "Cheryl (entertainer)" other the other suggested name-changes for the following reason: Cheryl is not known for being a singer; she is an overall entertainer, much like Britney Spears and Madonna (the latter of whom sports "entertainer" in her page title). livelikemusic talk! 01:26, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per nom and livelikemusic.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  05:50, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support as Insertcleverphrasehere said above. Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 15:08, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support per Davey2010 and others, as a very sensible suggestion. I did say the other day the article could "stay as Cheryl Fernandes-Versini for the rest of this decade" but did so in disdain at the prospect of yet another move discussion. A move to Cheryl (entertainer), however, would hopefully put an end to all that endless keybashing. This is Paul (talk) 15:33, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support, though I've been against this move in the past, it's probably the only way to stop the myriad move discussions happening in future, so it makes sense. She uses the mononym professionally and Googling "Cheryl" does show that even news sources use by the mononym now. anemoneprojectors 08:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support I guess it's the only logical solution. Alternatively we could just ban her from marrying ever again! :D--5 albert square (talk) 14:26, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

• Hahaha I love that idea ... If only we could make it happen –Davey2010^Talk 14:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

• We could ask Jimbo if he would be so kind as to do that. That might be a first, us taking a celebrity to court to stop them marrying again. Might open up a whole new avenue for other court cases! :p--5 albert square (talk) 14:55, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

• Alternatively, we could ask parliament to debate the pros and cons of preventing her from entering into further nuptials. This is Paul (talk) 16:01, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

• Maybe I should marry her, and change my last name to "(entertainer)" beforehand! Or maybe we should make a law saying that any fiancés Cheryl may have in the future must change their last name to "(entertainer)". This should solve this page move problem, easily. (Unfortunately, given that she's almost twice my age, and other obvious reasons, there's no chance that either of those things will happen :-P) Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 20:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

• 5 albert square - I can't think of anyone who would want to marry Jimbo ,
• This is Paul - That's a brilliant idea! - Wouldn't be suprised if it legit reached over 1000 sigs or whatever it is,
• Linguist111 - Marrying her would probably be a living nightmare on so many levels but If you'd sacrifice your happiness to stop page moves then you deserve an OBE! . –Davey2010^Talk 20:46, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

• Marrying a woman twice my age to stop a Wikipedia page from being renamed... hmmm, maybe not a great idea on second thought (or on first thought). Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 21:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
• Oh shit I'd missed the age - Yeah probably not a wise idea , –Davey2010^Talk 21:24, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

I don't see a reason against this move. There are multiple good reasons for the move. Aside from her saying she is only using her first name, I don't think there is anyone else at her level of fame with the name "Cheryl", at least in the UK; she's well-renowned and people who search for "Cheryl" on WP and see a title like Cheryl (entertainer) will know it's her regardless of the mononymous title, and will clearly see it's her by the info in the lead, infobox etc. This means that hopefully there will be no necessity in moving the page again after this. Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 15:46, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

It is worth noting that if you Google the name Cheryl you get pages of stuff about her before anything else shows up, which would suggest to me when wanting to know about those in the world of entertainment, Cheryl is as common a search term as something like Adele or Madonna. This is Paul (talk) 15:59, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Exactly.
I said above, in "Change of name 3", the article should stay as it is, but that was only because of the possible continuation of page moves/requested moves that may result if the article was moved again, due to Cheryl's constant name changes. I'm supporting this move as it seems there's a good chance there will be no moves needed in the future. Linguist Please respond on the current page. Except on my talk, please ping me (type {{SUBST:ping|Linguist111}} before your message) 16:01, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I was sure I commented here last night, but in reply to "you get pages of stuff about her before anything else shows up", page 2 includes Cheryl Wheeler and Cheryl Frances-Hoad. Page 3 includes Dr. Cheryl McGeachan and Cheryl Richardson. Page 4 includes Cheryl Arkison, Cheryl Fergison, Cheryl Dunn, Cheryl Wood, Cheryl Yeoh, Cheryl Morgan, Cheryl Kaiser and Cheryl McKinnon. Page 5 has only 3 results for Cheryl F-V. So not pages of stuff about Cheryl F-V before anything else. I just wanted to point that out before I decide how to !vote. anemoneprojectors 08:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I fear I was being a tad ironic, but the fact is that the majority of top search results for the name Cheryl do relate to Cheryl F-V. This is Paul (talk) 14:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

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Too big

This article is too big. Too many unencyclopaedic words like "reveal" instead of "said", and so on. 78.151.31.198 (talk) 16:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I just checked the article for "reveal", it appears 8 times, 4 of those as part of reference names! Therefore appearing 4 times as part of the main article which really is not much.--5 albert square (talk) 19:29, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

OK. Cheers 78.149.214.161 (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2016 (UTC)