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Cheryl Cole will not be on the X Factor UK

ITV have confirmed that the line up for the judges of the X Factor UK competition will not include Cheryl Cole. This was despite suggestions that she should take up the position once again by Amanda Holden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.235.218 (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Possible Return to The X Factor

It was reported on the 7th July 2011 that Cheryl would be returning to The X Factor in time for the live finals. MSN News have said that Simon was supposed to be returning but is happy for Cheryl to take the seat. [1]

Vjrp92 (talk) 08:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Singer?

Should the article call her a singer, when she cannot sing at all? (92.10.137.172 (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC))

Well yes, that's what she is :S--5 albert square (talk) 23:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Looking behind what's clearly an attempt by this anon to be witty, Wikipedia tends to describe a person's occupation by their current occupation. Cheryl Cole is a singer, and the quality of her singing is a matter of opinion, which is not suitable for discussion on Wikipedia talkpages.--Topperfalkon (talk) 23:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Spelling mistake - hiatis

It should be 'hiatus'.

 Done TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Shabz111, 27 August 2011

could i please edit this page Shabz111 (talk) 17:39, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Er...as the page is currently locked from anon and non-confirmed users you can't. See Wikipedia:Protection. You may make a request for a confirmed editor to make an edit for you as long as it meets the guidelines for this article and Wikipedia in general. This will be evaluted by the confirmed editor. That's how it goes, mostly. --Τασουλα (Almira) (talk) 19:03, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Personal life

Towards the end of "Personal Life", it currently reads:

"She has said that during the auditions she asked to lie down and this was when she collapsed, was rushed to hospital and diagnosed with malaria.[142] Her collapse was televised[143] and she was forced to miss the rest of the auditions as well as bootcamp."

The reference at 143 does not actually seem to lead anywhere. Also, I remember theses sensationalised reports in the press at the time talking about the collapse 'to be televised', whereas it never was. I can't find any reliable sources to prove that it wasn't televised however, so suggest that this be changed to something along the lines of 'various media reported that the collapse would be televised but no video footage is currently in the public domain'? 94.175.95.98 (talk) 06:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I do remember footage of just before and shortly after her collapse on XFactor, but I don't know if they ever showed her actually collapse. --Topperfalkon (talk) 23:30, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Cheryl Cole Curls 2011.JPEG

I have one or two concerns about this file, which has been added as the main image to this article a couple of times in recent days. File:Cheryl Cole Curls 2011.JPEG was uploaded without copyright by a user with only a handful of edits who has had previous files deleted because of issues regarding fair use rationales. After I removed this file, the user added a Creative Commons ShareAlike Licence to it, but has not indicated whether he/she owns the copyright or has permission to use the image. I've therefore reverted it until we can establish ownership. Any thoughts on this would be welcome. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Third album section

Just wondering if we should hold off on this section until it is released or we have more details at least. Smacks a bit of WP:CRYSTAL. Any thoughts? TheRetroGuy (talk) 13:42, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Well no because it has been confirmed that she is working on a third album. There is a lot more information now, so it can stay. --ƒɾɛɛᴅᴑᴍºᵀᴬᴸᴷ 17:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Reportedly pregnant

cheryl cole is reportedly pregnant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burg11 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

If this is true, then reliable sources please. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 14 October 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change woould to would as it is spelt wrongly at the end of the section: Other endeavours: Television Career


86.128.76.141 (talk) 02:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Done, fixed,  Chzz  ►  02:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

 Done

Personal life section - edit

Please please I beg you to remove the caribean jiganloo and black bitch in the personal life section. Its not necessary because many celebrities call other people slurs and have been in and out of court involved with past scuffles: There is no mention of robert downey junoirs cell number, or mel gibson slur words on their wiki article, Chace crawford pot incident frankie boyle and so so many others. And this is detrimental to her because anyone reading this assumes she is racist. You might as well disprove this by saying she marries a black man later on in life. But it is too much information for an incident she did when she was 19. I love chery :) and I am black but if I didnt live in the UK i would have automatically despised her for this incident. So imagine future potential employers who would read this up :-/. Just edit or summarize the details of the incident

I won't change this myself, but I'm not sure quoting the alleged words is strictly necessary. It was an aspect of her trial, but we're not redtop journalists here who need to sensationalise an event. I think the important thing is to be impartial. Having said that though the paragraph does make it clear that she was cleared of racially aggravated behaviour, so I think that in itself is all right and doesn't misrepresent her as being racist. Also we shouldn't skew this page in such a way as to please her fans. Perhaps others can add their thoughts here. Something of concern to me is naming the girl Ashley Cole slept with. Why are we doing that? She's not notable in an encyclopedic sense. Paul MacDermott (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Book:Cheryl Cole

Just compiled a Wikipedia book on Cheryl Cole. If anyone knows of a usable image for it, that would be much appreciated. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal life - let's change this

Someone's removed this paragraph completely, and while I don't agree with the way it is set out at present, I do believe there should be some mention of this incident. So I'm posting it here, and when I get a chance I'll work on it to improve it. As mentioned above, I'm not convinced we need to quote the alleged words. Maybe all we need to say is something like: "In January 2003 Cole faced prosecution for assault following a fracas in a nightclub in Guildford. She was later found guilty of actual bodily harm and ordered to undertake community service and pay compensation and prosecution costs". .I'll have a think anyway, but here's the troublesome paragraph in the meantime if anyone else wants to have a go. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

On 11 January 2003, Cole was involved in an altercation with a nightclub toilet attendant, Sophie Amogbokpa, at The Drink nightclub in Guildford, Surrey, England. Cole was subsequently charged with racially aggravated assault (she had allegedly called Amogbokpa a "Caribbean jigaboo" and a "black bitch")[1][2] and assault occasioning actual bodily harm. During her trial, Cole claimed she acted in self-defence (claiming she had been punched first) and denied using racially abusive language. The jury found her guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, but cleared her of racially aggravated assault.[3] The judge sentenced her to 120 hours of community service and ordered her to pay her victim £500 in compensation, as well as £3,000 prosecution costs.[3]

How about this?

On 11 January 2003, Cole was involved in an altercation with a nightclub toilet attendant and was subsequently charged with assault over the incident.[4][5] She was subsequently found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm at er trial on 20 October,[3] and sentenced to 120 hours of community service. She was also ordered to pay her victim £500 in compensation, as well as £3,000 prosecution costs.[3]

Edit request on 28 March 2012

Hello, I thought you would be interested in adding a recent interview (released 27 March 2012) with Cheryl Cole conducted with Stylist magazine in the UK. She also models the latest eye make-up looks, photographed by noted fashion photographer Simon Emmett, exclusively for Stylist. Here is the link to the online reproduction of the interview and shoot: http://www.stylist.co.uk/beauty/cheryl-coles-life-in-beauty This is an exclusive shoot and interview and has received a lot of attention in the UK press and international websites, and so I think this makes it worth adding to her Wiki page. Many thanks!

Stylistintern1 (talk) 14:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Is there some specific piece of information you wish to add from it, or are you just trying to promote your article? Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Please make a specific request with a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Cheryl quit XF US

Even Simon cowell confirmed that in effect Cheryl actually quit the show and wasn't actually sacked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.224.137 (talk) 15:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Page move

The page should not be moved because she is and always will be known as Cheryl Cole. Cheryl Cole is therefore her WP:COMMONNAME. Also, I can't find it now but I remember reading once a policy that said that if someone uses a single name but is generally known by the full name, use the full name. And that's the case here. –anemoneprojectors– 13:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Every time I hear her mentioned in the news she's always referred to as Cheryl Cole so I don't think we should move it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Also, when she's mentioned on the radio, they call her Cheryl, then have to clarify that they mean Cheryl Cole anyway! –anemoneprojectors– 14:13, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I think the page should be moved to Cheryl (entertainer). Prior to being Cheryl Cole, she was known as Cheryl Tweedy, but it was still moved once she had gotten married. She wishes to no longer use her married name professionally, and doesn't want to go back to Tweedy. There's no policy about using their full name. There are only a few cases in which they use both their first and last name where it should be titled with both names, for example, Beyonce Knowles. — Statυs (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it should stay Cheryl Cole as that is her WP:COMMONNAME. She hasn't been labeled as just "Cheryl" long enough to warrant a move. Britney Spears tried going by just "Britney" and it didn't work. I believe we should keep it as Cheryl Cole to keep from confusion, etc. I don't find any reason why it should be moved. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 18:55, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I agree and would also cite the case of Louise Redknapp, known as Louise in her singing career, but Louise Redknapp in every other respect. Paul MacDermott (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

film debut

if you called the new section A Million Lights and film debut then write something about this film and her role. please 86.174.239.18 (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I have retitled the section to remove the "film debut" part. --BwB (talk) 21:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thanks:) but I still think that someone should write something about it, because this is her film debut and when someone will be reading this article for first time and never heard before about Cheryl then will be know that she appeared there. I can't do it, because I don't have account on english wikipedia, but maybe you?, the premiere of this film were on 22nd May in London, what Cheryl wrote on her Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/CherylCole/posts/371228159602361), if you have time then maybe look for some informations on internet and write about it. thank you for your help and sorry for my english, I hope you understood what I wrote. 86.174.239.18 (talk) 22:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I just want to ask if it is necessary to add her origin in its own separate row? My suggestion is that it is written like so Born Cheryl Ann Tweedy (Where she was born) and then no unnecessary wording is used. Just a suggestion.

P — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolStoryBroNeedsMoreDragons (talk • contribs) 14:34, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

BMW

Cheryl is a BMW fan.Fletcherbrian (talk) 05:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Your point being????? Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Introduction (Call My Name needs to be added to #1's)

Cheryl now has 3 #1's with Call My Name entering #1 on the UK Singles Chart last week so it needs to be added to the introduction alongside Fight For This Love and Promise This — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.182.197 (talk) 03:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Cheryl Cole

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Cheryl Cole's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "digitalspy":

  • From The Loving Kind: Nick Levine (2008-11-22). "Girls Aloud reveal new single details". Digital Spy. Hachette Filipacchi Médias. Retrieved 2008-11-22.
  • From A Million Lights: "digital spy album review". Digital Spy. Retrieved June 18th 2012. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Cheryl Cole

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Cheryl Cole's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "dailymail":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Introductory sentence

Should we change it to "Cheryl Ann Cole (née Tweedy; born 30 June 1983), also known simply as Cheryl, is an English pop and R&B recording artist, songwriter, dancer and model." instead of what we have now?--NejiByakugan360 19:25, 21 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by NejiByakugan360 (talk • contribs)

No. Because she really isn't a model, is she? Plus, there's no concrete proof she's dropping "Cole" from her professional life, especially since legally she's Tweedy. And please remember to sign your posts. MusicFreak7676 TALK! 17:58, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Legally she's Cole. A divorced woman's surname does not revert to her maiden name unless she chooses for that to happen. Jim Michael (talk) 22:33, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Cheryl logos

I saw that one very helpful user had added her official logos to the page. They have since been removed by an unhelpful user who just wants Wiki to be the way he wants. Can they please be re-added since her brand identity revolved around the logos througout the different years? Cheers.

It all depends on whether we have permission to display them. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Now using the artist name, "Cheryl" instead of "Cheryl Cole"

Since she's beginning to use the name 'Cheryl' now, would it be alright to write this down on the article in the near future?:

"Cheryl Ann Cole (née Tweedy; born 30 June 1983, often stylized as Cheryl)"

Masterpeace3 (talk) 05:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

According to this she is continuing as Cheryl Cole, but her surname was dropped from the artwork because it did not fit. Changing this article or adding extra information like this would require a reliable source in which she stated something along the lines of, "I just want to be known as Cheryl from now on". Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Barely relevant images

It seems very odd that this article includes images of Erica Badu, Beyonce and Rihanna. The first two are mentioned as influences, and the third is mentioned for praising Cheryl. It might make sense if these images were included for some more notable reasons but as it stands it is just odd. Looking at Madonna (entertainer) and Lady Gaga I see other articles do this too (Marylin Monroe, and David Bowie respectively) but it doesn't make it any less silly and doesn't seem in keeping with the tone of a serious encyclopedia. I would encourage an editor active in this article to remove them. -- 109.77.112.80 (talk) 17:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, it does seem a bit excessive. I suppose it would be all right if Cole had been pictured with these people, but including images of them alone seems odd. This article is about Cole, not these other people. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:20, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I've removed them. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 06:42, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Just wondering if ethnicelebs is an appropriate reference. While it is true that Tweedy can be a Scots surname and Callaghan is Irish, I think we probably need more than what appears to be a fan site that anyone can edit if they sign up. Think I'll remove it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

No, we would need something that complies with WP:RS for something like that. I've had a quick look at the website and it looks as if anyone can edit it so no that wouldn't be acceptable especially for a BLP article.--5 albert square (talk) 17:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, the website is the top hit when I Google "Cheryl Cole" "Irish descent", followed by some other speculative stuff as to her ethnicity. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 December 2012

Please add into her jobs as an actress and tv presenter because she was in St Trinians and What to expect.... and the she was a tv presenter on the X Factor. Cecefied11 (talk) 04:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Done Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:48, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
She's not a TV presenter. –anemoneprojectors– 15:44, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. She's a singer who happens to have appeared in a few presenting and acting roles, mostly as a result of her pop career. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not even sure what "presenting" she's done, but the edit request says she presented on The X Factor - are they confusing her judging role with a presenting one? Maybe the judge role could be in the infobox. I removed the presenting one, but left the acting one as I wasn't so sure about that. We should also remove dancer and model because neither of those are her job. She dances and models, but what singer doesn't? It's certainly not her occupation. –anemoneprojectors– 17:31, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The only presenting role I can think of is Cheryl Cole's Night In, but I think you're right - it's being confused with her position on The X Factor. I suppose there's an argument to say she's an actor, although most of those roles appear to be cameo appearances relating to her singing or position as a reality show judge. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
The article also says in its opening line that she is a songwriter. She has very few songwriting credits, and she is generally a co-writer, which often for artists of a her nature means she suggested adding a middle C here or there. I would say she's more of an accomplished actress than songwriter. And she's not an actress.Rayman60 (talk) 12:43, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

GA split

Girls aloud's disbandment needs added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.119.243 (talk) 06:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done Jim Michael (talk) 12:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

She is back in the recording studio for album 4, somebody should probably add that, thanks.

Personal life

I have deleted this section. It seems to be a source of unnecessary antagonism. Fletcherbrian 16:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Wax figure

Salary £15,000,000

Correct that mistake, Cheryl doesn't make 15million a year. Her whole career, maybe! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.174.38 (talk) 18:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done - that's her estimated fortune, not what she earns per year. Jim Michael (talk) 11:35, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

corrie

Cheryl cole in coronation street !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 95.151.158.4 (talk) 13:48, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, not quite. It turns out this is a special episode for Text Santa rather than the series itself. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:59, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Still. She appeared on it and although it is special episode it's still coronation street. 95.151.158.4 (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2014

Rover Coupe (talk) 23:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC) Subject is cited as having been born in Newcastle upon Tyne, Tyne and Wear. Newcastle in not in Tyne and Wear and Tyne and Wear was abolished in 1986.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Newcastle upon Tyne article says that it is in Tyne and Wear. Cheryl was born before 1986, so she could have been born there. RudolfRed (talk) 00:55, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Cole is a supporter of the Labour Party[132]

Isn't that link a little outdated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.32.73 (talk) 04:37, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

More to the point, who actually cares if she supports the Labour Party? Fletcherbrian (talk) 01:41, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Cole at the 2014 Cannes Film Festival

There is some puzzlement as to why Cole is actually there at all.

Some say she is looking to form a new band, others to promote a hairspray.Fletcherbrian (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Not to be confused with Sheryl Crow?

I'm sure whoever added the hatnote did so in good faith, but I wonder how many people are likely to confuse the two. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Your sureness of good faith in this addition is admirable.Fletcherbrian (talk) 20:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

"Stage presence" section should be renamed

"Stage presence" means the ability to command an audience with impressive style or manner: see http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stage+presence.

This section should be renamed perhaps "Presentation on stage".

To call the section something which implies Cole has an impressive style, whether she does or doesn't have this style, is biassed and unencyclopedic.Fletcherbrian (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Re-marriage to Jean-Bernard Fernandez-Versini

On 7th July 2014, she re-married. Should her name be changed to reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emma I of Saint Isobel (talk • contribs) 00:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Not if she wants to keep selling records.Fletcherbrian (talk) 01:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME would apply. If she becomes most commonly known as Cheryl Fernandez-Versini, then yes. However I think it's likely that she will continue to record under the mononym Cheryl (see, for example, A Million Lights) so it will come down to the name that she will commonly be known as in newspapers and when making other appearances (e.g. on The X Factor). lone_twin (talk) 13:39, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Given that she has confirmed she is changing her name [6], I'd suggest changing the opening sentence to "Cheryl Ann Fernandez-Versini (née Tweedy, formerly Cole; born 30 June 1983)..." but keeping the title of the article as Cheryl Cole as long as that is the name she is most commonly known as. Given that she has just reintroduced the "Cole" on her latest single (Crazy Stupid Love (song)) it's likely that most sources will continue to refer to her as "Cheryl Cole" for a while longer. lone_twin (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree with your good suggestion. --NeilN talk to me 14:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Per WP:COMMONNAME, the page needs to remain at Cheryl Cole. And the infobox main name needs to remain as Cole, as well. Howecer, there has been no inkling to suggest that "Cole" is no longer used as her professionally name. livelikemusic my talk page! 16:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Cheryl is still using Ashley's name? No surprise there then. Ashley still has his uses. The general public actually like him and so Cheryl is using him to further her career. "Fernandez-Versini" isn't exactly memorable. Fletcherbrian (talk) 12:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Just a note to say this is not a forum to discuss general opinions about Cheryl Cole's choice of surname. However, what is important here is whatever she chooses to be known as professionally. If she decided she wants to be known professionally as Cheryl Fernandez-Versini then we'd have to change it as we've done with other articles where women in the public eye took their husband's surname. This is Paul (talk) 12:35, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Ludicrous vocal range reference - should be changed

To use a reference to an opera singer's range is completely wrong for Cheryl. She sings off key consistently. She herself admits this.

Another reference should be made, *not* to opera.

She is as much of an opera singer as Steven Hawking is an Olympic athlete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fletcherbrian (talk • contribs) 12:33, 16 July 2014 (UTC) Fletcherbrian (talk) 12:36, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

This seems like your opinion right now, but if you can find a reference to support the information, i.e., what vocal range she is, then it could be changed to reflect that. This is Paul (talk) 12:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I am not disputing her vocal range. I am disputing the reference to opera.

The reference to opera should be deleted because an opera singer delivers much more than vocal range.

Cheryl doesn't.

Cheryl's vocal range should be described simply as a tenor, bass, alto, or whatever it is thought to be.Fletcherbrian (talk) 16:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I don't see a direct reference to opera, but the source describing her as a mezzo-soprano is from the BBC, so should be fairly reliable. If you think it's wrong though and you want to find something else that you feel better describes her vocal range then by all means do that. Cole (or whatever she calls herself now) says she is no Mariah Carey, but that it is the emotion in a song that matters, which I guess roughly correlates with what you say above. I'm sure if you Google this topic you'll come across something we can use. This is Paul (talk) 17:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

OK. I could have been mistaken about the ref to opera. If so apologies. Mezzo-soprano seems fine. Cheers.Fletcherbrian (talk) 21:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2014

Put Tine Tempah, Calvin Harris as an Associated acts 31.53.42.150 (talk) 07:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Both fail to qualify as associated acts, per template qualifications. livelikemusic my talk page! 16:45, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Cole's eye color

What is it?Fletcherbrian (talk) 02:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

A link here says she has brown eyes, though to me they appear black.Fletcherbrian (talk) 01:34, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

As if her eyes appear black. Her eyes are brown. Bewbslova (talk) 19:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

NPOV

Sorry, but although this article is well written and referenced, it reads like a fan page, which is all too common with reality TV 'stars' on WP. One of the implications is that Wor Cheryl is universally loved and respected, which is very far from the truth. I suspect there have been quite a few WP:COI edits here, though I don't have the time or inclination to dig up the evidence. --Ef80 (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Cole VS Fernandez-Versini

NO ACTION
Obviously not done. –Davey2010 • (talk) 18:30, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

There's been a disagreement/edit war with 80.111.184.146 over the surname on a couple of articles/templates, (Template:Girls Aloud, Template:Cheryl Cole, Template:The X Factor (UK) and The X Factor (UK series 11))

I believe per COMMONNAME the previous name should stay, 80 disagrees and believes because it's her official new name it should stay,
I've attempted a discussion more than once with the IP but they don't seem bothered in replying,
Cheers, –Davey2010 • (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

We should refer to her as Cheryl Cole. On 20 July, a promotional email was sent out about her latest single, which I received. It only mentioned Cheryl Cole. Look at the image in Crazy Stupid Love (song). That image was also in the email. It says "Cheryl Cole". If she's going to be known by something else, we should wait for The X Factor to start to see what they call her. Additionally, I've blocked the IP for 12 hours because they continued to make the same edits after their final warning. If it continues, I shall semi-protect the pages involved. –anemoneprojectors– 20:21, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
It seems then she for the time being prefers Cole?, Who knows, But I absolutely agree we should wait, Anyway thanks for your help - Very much appreciated :) –Davey2010 • (talk) 20:25, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Agree with that. If she continues to be known professionally as Cheryl Cole then that's the name we should use. This is Paul (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I'll look for the article, but it appears that after "Crazy Stupid Love" she will abandon the "Cole" professionally, on X Factor she'll be using her "new" name and any future singles as well, not sure why they didn't change CSL but presumably it was so close to release date they kept the Cole for that one Guyb123321 (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Heres the article about the X Factor name change to Cheryl Fernandez-Versini: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/tv/x-factor/390532/The-X-Factor-voice-artist-says-Cheryl-Fernandez-VersiniGuyb123321 (talk) 19:17, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I guess we'll get something official before the series begins, or the release of her next single/album. This is Paul (talk) 19:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I keep thinking that she and Ashley are still married. 80.111.184.146 (talk) 20:49, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

She is known professionally as Cheryl Cole  — ₳aron 20:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I think we should still call her Cole, both on this page and the X Factor 2014 one, plus any other necessary pages. Just because she has remarried does not mean she is using her new name professionally. Plus Cole is much easier to spell/pronounce/remember. I'm sure that at least music-wise she is still Cole; her newest single is released under the name "Cheryl Cole" even though it was released after her marriage. Plus I remember a few years ago, following her divorce from Ashley she said she still wants to be known as "Cheryl Cole" because she acheived the most success under that name. Until we have official confirmation (from either Cheryl herself or a representative) over which name she will be using professionally and what she wants to be known as, we should stick to Cole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.70.56 (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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Known professionally as

I've twice reverted this in the last couple of hours because no official announcement has been made, and Mail Online isn't exactly the kind of source we want to reference something like this. This is Paul (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I still say we wait for The X Factor to start to see what they call her on that. –anemoneprojectors– 17:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@This is Paul and AnemoneProjectors: The show billed her as simply "Cheryl". Her official website and Vevo website information has all switched to simply "Cheryl". Numerous reports have claimed her to be billing herself as just "Cheryl". livelikemusic my talk page! 16:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Can you find some third party sources that are billing her simply as Cheryl? It might settle (or perhaps add to) the conclusion. This is Paul (talk) 16:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Last night's episode (or tonight's, whether you live in the U.K. or U.S.) are billing her simply as "Cheryl". She also stated herself that because people found her last name too difficult to pronounce she'd be going simply as "Cheryl". Huffington Post U.K reported it, as well, as did Mirror. Others include: MTV U.K., Yahoo! News India and Business Standard News. livelikemusic my talk page! 16:31, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Well to be fair it was a source that told the Mirror the story, but why split hairs. Seriously though, for us to change this, I do think she'd have to make some official announcement on the matter, or the media would need to begin referring to her as Cheryl. Cheryl Cole/Fernandez-Versini has many strings to her bow–as well as her music, she's an author, has a cosmetics range named for her, not to mention a perfume, much of which I understand appear under the name of Cheryl Cole, and the media continue to discuss her as Cheryl Cole. In comparison, Louise Redknapp is in a similar position. She had a singing career as Louise, but is known under her full name in other respects. Conversely, Adele is hardly ever referred to as Adele Adkins, so under WP:COMMONNAME, her Wikipedia article refers to her as Adele. This is Paul (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not debating a page title re-name, I'm simply proving that she's going professionally by the mononym "Cheryl", as of 2014. Media has been referring to her under all three names, but musically, she's referring to herself as "Cheryl" and branding herself as "Cheryl". livelikemusic my talk page! 17:07, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Even the company distributing her own fragrance is labelling her as Cheryl, as is her management, MODEST!. Digital Spy even writing majority of their article with her as "Cheryl", while other judges are listed by their last names, aside from Mel B. livelikemusic my talk page! 17:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I know this isn't a debate on moving the page–that's the next section, but I think my previous comments are relevant. Looks like we're getting some stuff that would allow us to update the page. I'm sure if she's going down the Cheryl route the media will catch up and do likewise. Does anyone else have any thoughts about the way forward with this? This is Paul (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sure it can be noted she went professionally as both Cheryl Cole and Cheryl, especially since her A Million Lights album was "Cheryl", and was her first attempt to drop "Cole" from her name, but it didn't work out that time. Sounds like this time she's attempting to make it work for her, by changing her whole media persona. livelikemusic my talk page! 17:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
In The X Factor end credits, she is credited as Cheryl Fernandez-Versini. This probably means that she will not be professionally known as Cheryl Cole anymore. DantODB (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
That was already reported; she's going by Cheryl now, per sources given and her own social media accounts. Legally, she's Fernandez-Versini, but professionally, she's simply CHERYL. livelikemusic my talk page! 17:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Be that as it may, per WP:COMMONNAME, we still need third party sources that refer to her as Cheryl rather than Cheryl Cole before we can start doing that. I'm sure there'll be some in time, but until then we shouldn't change this. This is Paul (talk) 17:44, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
This from Digital Spy cites the People as a source. I think we need something a bit more high quality though like The Independent or The Guardian. I'm sure their entertainment/lifestyle sections will mention this in due course. I hate to labour this point, but tabloid newspapers are full of rumours about celebrities doing this and that, but as we're not a tabloid ourselves, we should err on the side of caution before adding them here. This is Paul (talk) 12:56, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
TVNZ reports her dropping the "Cole" from her Twitter account shortly after her marriage to Fernandez-Versini. This is Paul (talk) 12:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
The Guardian lists her in the opening paragraph as just "Cheryl", which Simon Cowell and Mel B have their Wikipedia commonnames. The Independent only mentioned her changing her legal surname to Fernandez-Versini, nothing about professionally. livelikemusic my talk page! 16:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Requested move (September 2014)

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Cheryl Cole → Cheryl Fernandez-Versini – The X Factor's official website calls her Cheryl Fernandez-Versini [2] Unreal7 (talk) 10:29, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2014

82.15.144.124 (talk) 23:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

 Not done : Not done: as you have not requested a change and the page Cheryl Fernandez-Versini is not protected in any case .
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:26, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 October 2014

In the biography info box, the birthplace is listed as "Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland". Newcastle, however is in the county of Tyne and Wear and has been since 1974, before Cheryl was born. Wwwebster (talk) 20:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

 Done This is Paul (talk) 21:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Request to move article (October 2014)

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OK, I know we won't change it to Cheryl Fernandez-Versini but I do believe we should change the page to just Cheryl (singer) as her first two albums were as Cole and her last one and Only Human dubs her as just Cheryl but prior to her marriage she was just Cheryl Tweedy from Newcastle and from pop group Girls Aloud, also a lot of singers go by one name Madonna, Cher, Beyoncé, Fergie, Tulisa, Che'Nelle, Eamon, Frankee, Eve, Trina, Mýa, Brandy, Monica, Olivia (who did a few songs with 50 Cent), Ciara, Rihanna, Aaliyah, Amerie etc so I think we should just name it as just Cheryl (singer), who knows she might split up with hubby #2, who agrees? Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 14:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole is still her common name though, that is, the one she is most frequently known as. I'm sure that'll change in time, but we shouldn't move it just now. This is Paul (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I would support the move to Cheryl (singer) as although she was known as Cole at the end of the day it's hardly likely she'll change back to it, I see no point in moving to "Fernandes-Versini" (I hope i've spelt that right!) as no doubt in 3years time she'll end up with a new one and all this will be 1 big merry-go-round!, Moving to the new title means eventually she'll be known as either "Cheryl/Cheryl VF" and less as Cheryl Cole. –Davey2010 • (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Well said NeilN. I'm also moving to support of name change.
"Cheryl Fernandez-Versini" got "About 15,100 results" in the "Past week" in news
"Cheryl Cole" got "About 6,570 results" in the "Past week" in news
Gregkaye ✍♪ 20:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support move to Cheryl Fernandez-Versini. I've thought about this and believe we should follow the path set by Chelsea Manning. At the time of that name change, she was better known as Bradley Manning but it was clear that reliable sources published after the name change were going to use the new name. In this case, it's clear that the subject won't be using the name of her ex-husband going forward. The question then arises if the new name should be Cheryl (singer) or Cheryl Fernandez-Versini and published sources seem to use the full name. However since this is just an informal discussion and not a formal requested move, not much can be done. Davey2010, 5 albert square are you still !voting oppose or is it worth opening a request? --NeilN talk to me 23:10, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I've been on the fence with this for some time but I've changed to support as although she's moved from one name to the next I wouldn't imagine she'll be going back to her old name anytime soon.... –Davey2010 • (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
The same principle applies to Kellie Maloney and Stephanie Hirst, both of which were moved shortly after they announced their change of name. Given your argument, Neil, I would certainly support the move to Cheryl Fernandez-Versini. This is Paul (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I would possibly oppose or sit on the fence. Given that she's changed it from Cheryl Fernandez-Versini to Cheryl because people found the name hard, I'm not convinced people would search Wikipedia for Fernandez-Versini. That's one of the goals of WP:COMMONNAME 5 albert square (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Support I know it's up to Cheryl, if she wants to marry a man who's last name uses up practically used up every single letter in the English alphabet it's up to her, if she divorces him she can, but she is just a Cheryl and personally I do think Fernandez-Versini is a bit of a mouthful it's like Wesley Barrington-Barnes II from the Diary of a Chav book series a bleedin' mouthful, and I think if she ever went by the name of it, X-Factor would be over before it started; I saw on the credits on X-Factor that she is credited as just simply Cheryl; also let me put it another way; if Prince was still masquerading as The Artist Formally Known as Prince would his article be just simply Prince or the mouthful?! So keep it as just Cheryl we even have a source that states she is known as just Cheryl, I think she realised that technically her name is actually Cheryl Ann Tweedy-Cole-Fernandez-Versini (almost as bad as The Artist Formally Known as Prince) and if she was to do a meet and greet and sign CDs/books and crap like that she'd get a cramp by the first five autographs and that meet and greet would need to be extended from a day to 365 days! Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) 19:41, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
  • also she confirmed it as just call me (her) Cheryl[3]Rihanna-RiRi-fan (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:45, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 3

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. The proposal was for a move to Cheryl (musician), not to Cheryl (singer). All of the opposers voted against the proposed Cheryl (musician), yet some of the supporters voted for or preferred Cheryl (singer) which was not the proposed requested move. They were in effect opposing the proposal, so the consensus is against it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. Moriori (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole → Cheryl (musician) – As per WP:COMMONNAME, it states that the name that an artist professionaly goes by should be the title of the article. For the past two years now, she has just been known as Cheryl, and she got married four months ago, so her name is not even Cheryl Cole anymore. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 01:59, 12 November 2014 (UTC) Billboard Man (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Support move to Cheryl (singer) - I admit I'm on the fence with this but at the end of the day She's not gonna be known as Cheryl Cole forever, and anyone searching Cheryl Cole should be redirected to Cheryl (musician) Cheryl (singer), Since her new name is a mouthful and "something you'll forget in 5 minutes time" It simply makes sense to redirect to the above name. –Davey2010 • (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2014 (UTC) 20:49, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support - I'd prefer to see some better quality sources calling her "Cheryl", but as this issue keeps being raised I think we should move it. A note of caution though. Cheryl (singer) may be more appropriate since musician suggests she plays music as well as singing it. This is Paul (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - as a bad faith nomination. This is just too much of a double-jeapardy-wear-em-down-and-keep-nominating-until-you-get-your-way. The first nomination was in September, then the second in October - and now a third in November. The reasons to keep Cheryl Cole from the first nomination are still as valid now as they were then. Whilst there's nothing wrong with saying "but as this issue keeps being raised I think we should move it" it's an equally valid argument to say that each nomination is rejected - and that's a good reason to keep it as Cheryl Cole. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
And that's a bad faith rationale, You might want to re-read Assuming Good Faith!, If you bothered to read the discussion you'd see that it was swaying towards "Supporting a move" anyway and anyway whatever the outcome this would be a last request I think. –Davey2010 • (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm completely familiar with the concept of good faith, however when a move is suggested three times in as many months, it's hard to see it as anything other than an attempt to keep suggesting it until it happens. Even your own argument implies such a desire - if the last nomination was slightly less comprehensive than the first, by the fifth or sixth nomination, it might just get through.
I have nothing against multiple nominations per se, only the lack of time expired between them, and therefore reiterate my rationale that the reasons from the first nomination are still valid. Regardless of what Cheryl wishes to be known as, she is known as "Cheryl Cole" - and will be for some time yet. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose. For the moment, most people still call her Cheryl Cole. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support Having read through the previous pages of 'discussion' surrounding this, the fact that Wikipedia has difficulty in attracting and retaining new editors is less of an enigma. She married: she changed her name. She refers to herself using this name, as do media outlets, television programmes on which she appears, newspaper articles which mention her... etc etc. In fact, the only outlet that seems to have a problem with her new name is Wikipedia. Could more of a fuss be made about something quite so simple? Given the terrible problems editors seem to have with the possibility of a page being entitled with her married name, "Cheryl (singer)" would at least not be totally wrong. Fortnum (talk) 00:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support – Per nom. Perhaps these articles may help, [4][5]. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 12:52, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support move to Cheryl (singer). I haven't followed this that much recently, and initially I was inclined to oppose, but it's becoming clear to me that nobody uses the name Cheryl Cole any more. Many sources use just "Cheryl" in general, while including her full new married name in the intro to their article, for example in this BBC article [6]. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support – Right now, on the BBC Radio 1 chart list, she appears as simply "Cheryl", while the BBC News Entertainment & Arts says: "Cheryl Fernandez-Versini breaks Geri Halliwell chart record"--Mycomp (talk) 01:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I see user Dekimasu has relisted the suggested move here - that's now four attempts to move the page in the space of three months, with the latest attempt before this one has even finished. I notice from his talk page that this does not seem to be an isolated incident, so I'll not assume bad faith, but cluelessness instead. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:19, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Additional. Dekimasu appears to ba a Mop-holder, so I have to assume competence. Yet I'm still bemused as to why they would simply relist the move request, without taking into account any comments already made here - or even join in the discussion. Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Support move to Cheryl (singer) or Cheryl Fernandez-Versini and suggest that any talk of moratorium is both insensitive and petty. I don't particularly like this woman, branded a "violent thug" by the judiciary and frequently engaging in childish antics on screen. However I think that she should at least have some right to her own name. She clearly hates Cole which is not used. Gregkaye ✍♪ 11:42, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose - moving it to "Cheryl (musician)". This isn't a case of Beyonce or Rihanna or Madonna or Adele where they have always been known by a singular name. She has been known as Cheryl Cole professionally for about 8 years, the public still calls her Cheryl Cole. The X Factor credits her as Cheryl Fernadez-Versini. Renaming the article "Cheryl Fernandez-Versini" may be a possibility, and I would have the opening line as "Cheryl Fernandez-Versini (nee Tweedy; formerly Cole; known professional as Cheryl)".  — ₳aron 16:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Oppose like Calvin999 said, she hasn't always been known by a singular name. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:35, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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Well-developed subsections (considering the subject); external link references should be converted into inline citations. --Fsotrain09 17:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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  1. ^ "Girls Aloud star 'not a racist'". BBC News. 13 January 2003. Retrieved 14 August 2006.
  2. ^ "Club boss tells of Girls Aloud star's 'aggression'". London Evening Standard. 14 October 2003. Retrieved 17 January 2010.
  3. ^ a b c d "Singer Tweedy guilty of assault". BBC News. 20 October 2003. Retrieved 31 May 2006.
  4. ^ "Girls Aloud star 'not a racist'". BBC News. 13 January 2003. Retrieved 14 August 2006.
  5. ^ "Club boss tells of Girls Aloud star's 'aggression'". London Evening Standard. 14 October 2003. Retrieved 17 January 2010.
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