Talk:India

Culture section restore

I want to restore (mostly partially) the section back to how it was in 2011 post-FAR. Compare the two: Now and Then

Rationales include there have been some additions to it which weren't discussed and checked since then, we can't vouch for their sourcing etc; giving more weight (in the form of subsections) for relatively lesser aspects like Clothing, Cuisine etc (which are prone to good-faith additions) lowers our agreed-on level of detail for summarising, thereby possibly implying other frequently rejected sections (Defense, Tourism etc) can be put as well; and finally, MOS, it simply doesn't reflect a good structure to have so many (eight, most of them stubby) subsections under one main, unless there's a good reason for it.

I recall there were improvements to it as well since then and I'll try to preserve those while trying to restore. I'm mostly concerned about the structure and bare new additions. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 08:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Single paragraph sections are not in line with MOS, and indicate a lack of summarystyle. CMD (talk) 14:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Agreed as well. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

List of metropolises

In an edit in September 2016, a list of metropolises was added to the first paragraph of the lead, without any discussion on the talk page. Some FAs such as Germany and Canada do have a list of largest metropolises. But they are countries in which more than 75% of the population is urban. In India, it is 30%. It doesn't make much sense to give such privileged mention to the urban 30%, when the 70% rural population garners none at all anywhere in the lead. Besides, a list of metropolises seems incongruous immediately after a of India's neighbors in the Indian ocean. I have temporarily removed that sentence, but I'd like to hear from others. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:58, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

This was something I was about to raise as well. There's more, in the Demo section, someone also changed mentioning of cities to urban agglomerations: According to the 2011 census, there are 53 million-plus urban agglomerations in India; among them Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad and Ahmedabad, in decreasing order by population. As such, that's a really lesser understood term than just cities which is used throughout the article. Besides just restoring it, what do we do of the "list-like" nature of this statement in general? What's the best way to present this other than impose an arbitrary but reasonable limit of a mention of just five cities? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 06:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Treating it by magnitude could work. eg: ...there are 53 cities with over a million people in India, with Mumbai and Delhi supporting over 10 million each. I feel this conveys the impact better than a simple list of cities >1 million. I wouldn't put anything in the lead at the moment as it reflects the bodies lack of space given to demographics. However, if the body is changed, the lead could follow. CMD (talk) 08:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Very well spoken, CMD. As it stands, the three-paragraph Demographics Section has just one sentence about urban conglomerations. It is not lead-worthy yet. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Challenges

I just removed one edit[1] that has been made without any discussion. It claims India has 18 million slaves but on other sentence it says that they are bondage labour, and bonded labour in India consists of Child labour (12 million) as well.[2] It sounded like WP:SYNTH.

Since the section also includes some details about corruption. I have renamed it from "Poverty" to "Challenges". Capitals00 (talk) 16:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

The sentence said "living in conditions of slavery." And we don't request discussion before editing. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:03, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

There is currently no scholarly discussion on this subject yet, not even bonded labour. Some have discussed child labour so I have no problem with that. Capitals00 (talk) 17:34, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Upon further research @Fowler&fowler: edit was originally made here, but there was no consensus for it and I could find lengthy discussion on Talk:India/Archive 38#Society section, whether it should be included or not, no one including you had agreed with the inclusion. Previously he tried to make that edit on society section, and then he made it on "Economy", which still made no sense. I would say it was deceptive of @JustBeCool: to edit war over a WP:SYNTH while knowing he couldn't get consensus for it since there are major problems with it. Capitals00 (talk) 04:52, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

And I have also removed the unwarranted undiscussed section splitting that was done here. I have not excluded any content that had been added with consensus but formatted same way it was earlier.[3] Capitals00 (talk) 05:10, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

All I know is that you can restore an edit reached without consensus to a previous edit, but you can't add your own POV editorializing "challenges." I will look at this later, but please don't add your own text (no matter how well-sourced you think it might be) if you are telling others that you are restoring something to a previous version. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 07:42, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: where did I added anything? As for "challenges" its just a section heading of this section. I had only removed the problematic information today per standards of this article. I haven't added anything. Users like RegentsPark,[4] Abecedare,[5] and you never agreed with the inclusion.[6] Still it was added by the same user but after a couple of years[7] and also created unnecessary subsections[8] despite the article sections of an FA must not be too small. And he never discussed any of these edits, let alone gaining consensus. Removal is clearly warranted per WP:OWN#Featured articles. Capitals00 (talk) 07:59, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks. My apologies for the misunderstanding. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:16, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@Capitals00: I haven't signed off on the reversal, which seems to be quite major, 46 words that have been in the article for upward of two, or even more, years. I said above, "I will look at this later." I have not looked at it yet. Wikipedia has somewhat different rules about things that have been grandfathered into the article when people were not watching. We can't simply remove them in an FA in one fell swoop after a long period of time. Please tell us what are the offensive words and why they need to be taken out. I believe we need some discussion. This is a major change you are talking about. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:28, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Do you really need consensus to remove something written without consensus? Thats not WP:BRD. Anyway, it should not take too long to realize that the content is utterly POV and was overlooked. A claim that is based on what one activist organization claimed, stating it as fact on here or even with attribution is WP:Undue. Most of section is not even about poverty and bondage labour is not poverty either. Same with another bogus section which is named "sector", and even worse that its the above section on the the article that really talks about "sector" by saying "the industrial sector 26.3% and the agricultural sector 18.1%". D4iNa4 (talk) 06:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Walk Free Foundation is not a reliable source for these stats either. Their claims that there are 45 million slaves worldwide is also exaggerating.[9] Better sources like one from Britain University of Hull said there are 27 million people living in slave-like conditions, while State Departments said 20.9 million (2014). There seems to be enough contradiction with these statistics. Walk Free Foundation is not trusted by academics anyway.[10][11]. D4iNa4 (talk) 06:20, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: Apart from the first 3 sentences, the entire poverty section starts lacking relevance and it contains grossly off topic content. What corruption has to do with poverty? It comes under economy though, since it is one factor. What child labour has to do with poverty? It doesn't belong to this whole article unless we are talking about labour. Since this is FA, we can remove the problematic content per WP:BOLD. Capitals00 (talk) 08:23, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

WP:BRD is not Wikipedia policy, nor guideline, but a recommended method of dispute resolution. The policy in question here is: WP:OWN#Featured_articles, which suggests that significant changes in Featured Articles are best made by discussing them on the talk page first. When the edit in question was made, there was either no one watching or the people who were watching chose not to intervene. Either way, the edit has been in the article for a significantly long time. It is 46 words long. Reverting it so many years constitutes a significant change, and, in my view, requires a discussion on the talk page. Prima facie, I don't see this as an example of bad faith POV-pushing, and it probably deserves a belated discussion. The Walk-Free Foundation's Global Slavery Index is compiled by the University of Hull's Kevin Bales, a professor of contemporary slavery there. So we certainly can't use the University of Hull to clobber the report. Let us at least agree that the 46 words in question are:

India has the most people living in conditions of slavery, 18 million, most of whom are in bonded labour. India has the largest number of child labourers under the age of 14 in the world with an estimated 12.6 million children engaged in hazardous occupations.

Let us also agree that we are talking about "modern slavery," which the New York Times article that is cited defines as:

Unlike historical definitions of slavery in which people were held as legal property, a practice that has been universally outlawed, modern slavery is generally defined as human trafficking, forced labor, bondage from indebtedness, forced or servile marriage or commercial sexual exploitation."

This is nothing new about India; Indians have known about it, in fact India's last Nobel Laureate for Peace Kailash Satyarthi has fought against the worst forms of child labor prevalent in India for the last 35 years. This is by no means the first time the NY Times has addressed the question of modern slavery in India. They ran an editorial on it in 2014, which seemed to especially implicated India. The editorial said, "India has, by far, more enslaved people than any country — more than 14 million. Three million are enslaved in China; two million in Pakistan; 1.2 million in Uzbekistan and one million in Russia." The NY Times also ran a [Nicholas Kristof] column on it seven years before that, which said,

Meena thus joined the ranks of some 10 million children prostituted around the world — more are in India than in any other country. The brothels of India are the slave plantations of the 21st century. Every night, Meena was forced to have sex with 10 to 25 customers. Meena’s owners also wanted to breed her, as is common in Indian brothels. One purpose is to have boys to be laborers and girls to be prostitutes, and a second is to have hostages to force the mother to cooperate."

Are you saying that all this is not happening in India or that it is not happening at the proportionately exorbitant scale reported in these stories? As for the section title "Poverty," I agree that it should be more comprehensive and informative, perhaps something like, "Social, Economic, and Public Health Challenges" Fowler&fowler«Talk» 09:53, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

PS The "challenges" garner a sentence in the lead, "However, it continues to face the challenges of poverty, corruption, malnutrition, and inadequate public healthcare." They could be even a section (and not just a subsection) of their own. After all, the biodiversity section manages to get only half a sentence in the lead, at the very end. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:04, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

But here the nature of the content is utterly POV and made without consensus. Your source[12] is citing Walk Free Foundation, which cannot be trusted when it comes to providing accurate and flawless data. Also knowing the massive criticism and controversies that it has created. Neil Howard had written an article, "The trouble with the Global Slavery Index"[13]:

The trouble with this potentially admirable effort is that the data on which these tables rely is usually second-hand and often of seriously poor quality. This means that the picture they create is frequently inaccurate, and often leads to severely problematic unintended consequences.

This one from ABC-CLIO, written by Alexis A. Aronowitz regards Walk Free as "terribly flawed" and says

"The index is based on mix of sources: population surveys in a few countries; fuzzy estimates by governmental agencies or NGOs; stories in the media; and local experts. For nations lacking any such source, the index creators engage in an "extrapolation" exercise -- they simply apply an estimate from on nation to "similar" nations lacking such estimates."

In any case we don't have to rely on such a "poor quality" and "terribly flawed" controversial data when we are talking about these things, given the inaccuracy we don't need it here on this article. And if we write about it anywhere else then we will need to write down "According to Walk Free Foundation..." cite its own definition of slavery (which includes forced labor, trafficking, forced marriage, etc.) and then cite then any of these critical sources that I have linked, mentioning the problems with the data of Walk Free Foundation. I am also reading that similar argument had been also made by RegentsPark, after looking at the links above, where he said "news story is based on an index compiled by one organization (Walk Free) and the report itself probably has caveats and explanations."[14] Which is correct, because their definition of "modern slavery" is "forced labour, trafficking, forced marriage, worst forms of child labour, bonded labour and so on".. like you have pointed out as well, but none of this qualifies actual definition of slavery.

Concerning the next sentence, "India has the largest number of child labourers under the age of 14 in the world with an estimated 12.6 million children engaged in hazardous occupations." Three sources have been cited, first source is not supporting the information, second one from 2003 supports it and the last one (from 2007) has been cited that is not supporting the information either.[15] That's why we really need to get rid of this whole sentence that includes nothing but outdated information and misrepresentation of sources. According to 2001 census there were 12.6 million child labour, but according to 2011 there were 4.3 million.

If we are going to talk about dated and accurate information, then that would be:

"As per the census of India, there were 10.75 million child labourers in the age group 5-14 years in 1971,13.64 million in. 1981,11.28 million in 1991, 12.6 million in 2001 and 4.3 million in. 2011."[16]

This is also recognized by scholarly sources[17][18] and their conclusion is that there is a significant decline in child labour.[19]

Concerning the title of the section, yes that can be changed to something else. But on lead there is a paragraph that is covered under India#History. Where as the last paragraph is already covered under India#Foreign relations and military, India#Economy, India#Demographics. That means having two sections under "Economy", this one and "Sectors" (that doesn't talk about sectors at all) is really inaccurate. It would be better to keep it all under "India#Economy", which is still not only talking about "Indian labour force", but also "Some 431 million Indians have left poverty since 1985". D4iNa4 (talk) 19:34, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@D4iNa4: Allow me to nail your first argument first. You said, "Better sources like one from Britain University of Hull said there are 27 million people living in slave-like conditions, while State Departments said 20.9 million (2014)." Do you agree that you were talking nonsense when you mentioned Hull because the Global Slavery Index is compiled at Hull? What is the State Department Website? Please enlighten? One argument at a time. I won't let you slip away that easy. So, let's have the state department slavery website. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:42, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: The Washington Post article says[20] "Bales no longer stands by his estimate of 27 million, saying it dates from the 1990s, and points to the GSI as more accurate. (He is the lead author.) But the GSI figure has come under attack from other researchers for having a murky, inconsistent and questionable methodology." That means Bales and GSI should not be counted as same entity, because GSI claims 45 million.

What really matters is that we can see that the information about labour, poverty, are still found on main Economy section, you can tell that an editor after failing to get consensus on talk page, reinserted the problematic content and created subsections after cherry picking information from other sections and misplaced them just for creating a problematic section.

I had said from start, that the stats about slavery are WP:SYNTH and academics don't rely on them, instead they describe the actual definition of this "slavery" and point out the problems with the statistics. When they are so problematic, why we need them without properly analyzing their vast definition of slavery? I am sure we are not going to reward these stats a specific paragraph since we have to finally indicate that one should not rely on these statistics.

What is "However, hardly 2% of Indians pay income taxes" doing on the paragraph about biotech/biopharmaceutical? Also we need to highlight the improvements in corruption index. India ranks lower in corruption than what it did years ago.[21] Capitals00 (talk) 20:10, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Let's discuss this one step at a time. First @D4iNa4:: So you do agree that your claim about the University of Hull's figures being different from those in the Global Slavery Index was incorrect? Or are you still saying that the University of Hull has some independent modern slavery estimates that are different from (and not necessarily simply older than) the Walk Free Foundation's 2016 estimates in the Global Slavery Index which was produced by a team led by a Hull emeritus professor, Kevin Bales (now at Nottingham)? If so, please tell us what those estimates are? What about the US State Department's "figures?" I ask because the US State Department does not have figures of its own. It merely uses the Inter Labour Organization's (ILO's) figures.

@Capitals00: Really you had said, "Academics don't rely on them?" And yet, the ILO, the United Nations' main labor statistics organization had four international workshops on "Measuring modern slavery" in 2015–2016, has a data initiative on modern slavery and announced in March 2017 that they will be collaborating with the Walk Free Foundation : ILO and Walk Free Foundation to collaborate on Global Estimate of Modern Slavery, whose announcement later this year is eagerly awaited.

Again, I don't care what the original edit involved. It has been in the article for a long time. Removing it requires an argument about the inappropriateness of modern slavery estimates, which neither of you have produced, not Wiki-arguments about what might or might not have motivated the original edit. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:49, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: I am not going to repeat the argument again, we should really move forward. I have made 3 proposals on User:Capitals00/section, and under the heading of each proposal, I have explained the edits. Let me know which one you prefer, you can modify them as well. Capitals00 (talk) 04:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

No, no, no, please do repeat. I entirely missed your argument why the International Labour Organization, the United Nations' flagship organization on labor issues and statistics, founded in 1919, and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1969, might be collaborating with Walk Free Foundation—the same reviled on that issues the Global Slavery Index—to bring out one Global Modern Slavery Index in the 72 Session of the UN General Assembly (see here), which begins exactly a week from today. Don't worry, we are sticking to one discussion here: whether "modern slavery" belongs here, and thus far you have produced no argument for its removal. Please don't start discussions elsewhere. Just as a few people shooting the breeze on Talk:Vedic period is not functional consensus for the India page, no conclusions reached on your user page has any bearing on the India page. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 05:05, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I am not starting discussion anywhere else, I have only made proposals on a sandbox because they are too big (72,000 bytes). I can bring them here if you want. For now I would add it here, that if we include a paragraph about modern slavery, it should read as:

"According to 2011 census, there were 4.3 million child labourers in the country, 65% of decline from 12.6 million labourers in 2001.[22][23] According to Walk Free Foundation, there were an estimated of 18.3 million people in India living in the forms of modern slavery such as bonded labour, forced labour, commercial sexual exploitation, forced begging, forced recruitment into nonstate armed groups, human trafficking and forced marriage."[24][25]

It is necessary to attribute the stats and describe their definition at least. Capitals00 (talk) 05:25, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

There is a mistake somewhere. The UNICEF report describes the 2011 Census to say there are 10.1 million children between the ages of 5 and 14 engaged in work in India Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:34, 5 September 2017 (UTC) PS The Government of India itself, at least their Ministry of Child Development, is remarkably not including children who work 3 to 6 months of the year in its census. If you include those, the Government's own statistics jump to 8.22 million. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 06:57, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Even if we go by UNICEF, still it would mean that there is reduction of 2.6 million child labour in total. But reliable sources are mostly supporting the 4.3 million figure.[26][27] Kailash Satyarthi also noted 4.3 million figure.[28] Capitals00 (talk) 07:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid the International Labour Organization, the UN's agency on labour issues, says it pretty definitively, In India, there are 10.1 million working children below the ages of 5 to 14 (2011 Census)" They have interpreted the census to say that. It doesn't matter how the Government of India finesses it. The ILO goes on to say, "As per Census 2011, the total child population in India in the age group (5-14) years is 259.6 million. Of these, 10.1 million (3.9% of total child population) are working, either as ‘main worker’ or as ‘marginal worker’. In addition, more than 42.7 million children in India are out of school. However, the good news is that the incidence of child labour has decreased in India by 2.6 million between 2001 and 2011. However, the decline was more visible in rural areas, while the number of child workers has increased in urban areas, indicating the growing demand for child workers in menial jobs. Child labour has different ramifications in both rural and urban India." Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 08:45, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment After going through the section and discussion here, I tend to agree with Capitals00 and D4iNa4. The paragraph about slavery is indeed out of context and poorly sourced. Child labour stats might be included in demographics section. Slavery and bonded labour, in my opinion do not qualify for this article with better sources. Moreover, the whole section of poverty seems irrelevant in economy and should be moved to demographics. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 06:38, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Capankajsmilyo: But the economy section of India has parent article Economy of India which has sections or subsections on Corruption and Poverty. The Demography section of India has parent article Demography of India, which does not say anything about poverty, corruption, or child labor. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 08:45, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Given the previous consensus, as well as the argument concerning the credibility of these statistics, the numbers regarding child labor and slavery should be removed. The organization supplying these statistics provides a broad definition for slavery. It also makes more sense to remove both of these subsections - they were clearly better under the “Economy”. --AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 03:31, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

• I think they should stay. I suggested not including it when the walk free report first came out because we had no evidence of the reliability of their work. However, a couple of years have gone by and now we have the ILO collaborating with walk free and that's pretty much as good a stamp of reliability you can get. That's for the slavery stuff. Child labor is clearly an endemic problem in India and both slavery as well as child labor are poverty related issues. Demographics don't come into the picture at all. --regentspark (comment) 17:19, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
• I would say that we should mention the report of Walk Free, and indeed attribute it with their definition of modern slavery, but remove the child labour statistics since not only child labour but also human trafficking, forced marriages, etc. are already included in the overall statistics provided by Walk Free. These statistics are not about poverty but corruption, and black market as described by the main articles of these subjects. For such reasons I agree with others that these details should come under the section of economy, on same paragraph that should include details on corruption. Lorstaking (talk) 18:06, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

That's a good point. Child labour even on main contemporary slavery article has details that it is a part of modern slavery. @RegentsPark and Lorstaking: are you both interested in resolving this? The details of child labour and slavery [29] were inserted without consensus or discussion, same happened with the creation of "sectors" and "poverty" subsections.[30] So far I am seeing that editors have talked about removing these two subsections, and suggested merge back into economy. But I would say that we really need to make some progress here. Fowler has suggested changing the title of the poverty section to "Social, Economic, and Public Health Challenges", also he also agreed that "Challenges" can be the name for the section.[31] For now I would propose "Poverty" needs to be changed to "Challenges", because "challenges" is also mentioned on the lead, and corruption, healthcare, and modern slavery are part of mismanagement than poverty. The "sectors" can be changed into "Industry". How does it sounds? I will propose a version soon. Capitals00 (talk) 02:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with the "Social, Economic, and Public Health Challenges" section that contains all the current material. But I do think the slavery stats and child labor stats should be included there. As an aside (not that it matters), I wouldn't say "mismanagement". There are historical processes that have lead to the socio-economic challenges faced by India that are completely independent of the management of India's economy!--regentspark (comment) 16:53, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Since no one objected the section titles for nearly 20 days, I have changed them. I have also moved "However, hardly 2% of Indians pay income taxes" to GDP growth paragraph, it fits more there. "Socio-economic challenges" seemed well. I think we have enough comments from editors to make the disputed paragraph make it read like:-

"According to a Walk Free Foundation report in 2016, there were 18.3 million people in India living in the forms of modern slavery, such as bonded labour, child labour, human trafficking, forced begging, among others. According to 2011 census, there were 10.1 million child labourers in the country, a decline of 2.6 million from 12.6 million child labourers in 2001."

The Corruption details, that I had pointed above have not been objected either. We need to update it. "Corruption in India is perceived to have decreased. According to Corruption Perceptions Index, India ranked 76th out of 176 countries in 2016, from 85th in 2014." This should be the last sentence, along with "Since 1991, economic inequality between India's states has consistently grown: the per-capita net state domestic product of the richest states in 2007 was 3.2 times that of the poorest."(already on article) Capitals00 (talk) 11:07, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

References

Coordinate error

{{geodata-check}}

The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—103.242.23.180 (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

You've neglected to explain what problem you're reporting, and I'm unable to identify any error in the coordinates in the article, so I'm closing this without action. Deor (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2017

1.186.173.179 (talk) 05:33, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

india rank seventh in terms of area

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 06:02, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Official name

The lead mentions the transliteration of भारत गणराज्य as Bhārat Gaṇarājya, however, this isn't proper. While Bharat is transliterated according to Hindi transliteration conventions without the schwaa, Ganarajya is transliterated with the Schwaa, which is Sanskrit transliteration. To make it uniform, it should be either Bhārata Gaṇarājya (Sanskrit) or Bhārat Gaṇrājya (Hindi). Opinions ? 86.97.128.199 (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

WHat you say makes perfect sense, just noting that GoI seems to use both Gaṇrājya and Gaṇarājya but with Bhārat. Not sure how to deal with this, but whatever fix is made here should also be made at Names of India in its official languages and other related articles. —SpacemanSpiff 10:17, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on India. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20140909230437/http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf to http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:19, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2017

India has the himalayas and the plains people mostly live in the or near the himalayas· 50.206.84.131 (talk) 14:46, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2017

2405:205:A046:2A40:298F:DBC8:E858:F105 (talk) 11:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

national game are hockey.....

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 11:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

India gdps

India must respect all presentation standards of all other main countries.United States,UK like all main countries have 2016 estimates.2017 has yet to end.Do you live in the future?If nobody explains it'll be corrected.Kingofwoods (talk) 12:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

About Map

Is it OK to show distorted map particularly Kashmir since India have all the authority over it as per 1947 assertion signature of raja of Kashmir? Raju Achar (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Demography changes

As you can observe a pic in demography showing coal miner but isn't that void of wiki rule?Without that individuals permission someone have added this pic please go through that. Raju Achar (talk) 16:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC) Raju Achar (talk) 16:49, 15 October 2017 (UTC)