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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you so much for helping me navigate my way through Wikipedia as a newcomer! RaisinBrannen (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Helleria brevicornis review

Thank you for your review of Helleria brevicornis:

Interesting article. But please be aware that it is NOT acceptable behaviour to hijack a pre-existing page which is already a redirect from a similarly named genus, even if it's a synonym or nom illegit. This can disrupt pre-existing links. I think you should have created a new page - e.g. Helleria (woodlouse) - and redirected from that, as per WP:MONOTYPICFAUNA. You were also wrong to assert in your edit summary that the plant genus was Helleri. (see this). BTW: This article could make a good WP:DYK, if you fancy it, as there's an interesting hook to it.

I really appreciate it, in future I will submit any new articles directly for review before publishing as is standard, that should prevent any policy breaches.
The assertion that plant genus was Helleri is a really serious mistake on my part based on a lazy search, I'm not sure what I was thinking at the time.
With regards to WP:DYK, the hook is what made me decide to write the article in the first place, but I reckon the prose of the article is ~600 characters with spaces at the moment and I don't think I can take it to the requisite 1500 without resorting to overly-detailed descriptions of H. brevicornis anatomy. I am planning to add to the article with information regarding maintenance of subsociality through coprophagy but that will be a line or two at most. I also can't seem to find any images of this woodlouse that don't have a non-commercial license...
Thanks again and best regards Edit-pi (talk) 14:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Thanks for getting back to me. My apologies if my review feedback seemed unduly terse. I reckon you could easily get that article up to 1500 words, and I'll happily add in a section on Distribution for you if you want to put in the work to bring it up to DYK level, as there is a good article by Gentile et al which I will add for you. I don't think you need to go through AFC for another taxonomic article that the New Page review process is usually adequate to pick up any errors or weaknesses. Keep up the good work. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: I've now got it up to just under 1,800 characters! So, over to you if you fancy submitting it to WP:DYK. You've got 5 days left to do so, though once it's submitted, there's nothing to stop you further tweaking it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the edits and support. Your encouragement motivated me to spend some more time on the article. Please go through it once more if you have time. I'll be submitting for DYK review in the next couple of days.
ps I rewrote your edit, I hope you don't mind.
Thanks again Edit-pi (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Of course I don't mind you rewording my hastily dictated edits. I'm chuffed you want to put it forward for DYK. It'll be nice to see a real woodlouse on the main page! My only two comments are a) to suggest you tidy up the External links, helping users understand what they're being offered. One of them could be something like "Photos of H. brevocornis (in French). b) You could consider contacting one of the sites holding images of the species and ask if the copyright holder would be willing to upload one of their pictures (low res will do) to Wikimedia Commons. I did this for Syracosphaera azureaplaneta and actually had some success! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Syracosphaera azureaplaneta

@Nick Moyes: Just to let you know: I have nominated the article for DYK and posted here in hope of an suitable photo. We'll see how it goes. Edit-pi (talk) 07:47, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Well done on both counts, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:21, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

@Edit-pi: Hey, congrats on getting your DYK on the Main Page today. A promising start for a great new editor! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm working on Talk:Woodlouse#Rewrite_2018 now. Would appreciate any help or advice. Edit-pi (talk) 01:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Barkeep49. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Tashtego, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

greetings

hello how is yo day --Ndyanaboandrew (talk) 06:42, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ndyanaboandrew. Welcome to Wikipedia. How are you finding it so far? I see you've started by working in Draft:Shaka Ssali. Good luck with that. Actually, creating a new article is one of the very hardest tasks a new editor can do. So don't be disheartened if you run into problems. Do look at similar articles to your draft, and try to match their style of writing, especially noting that every fact about a person must be provable by your insertion of a published reference to a reliable source. I'll drop by in a moment and leave you a welcome message containing a load of useful links to our help and guideline pages. Any problems - just come to the Teahouse and seek help from one of the hosts there. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

September 2018 at Women in Red

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Improvements to Heok Hui Tan

Hi Nick,

Thank you for your comment on my Talk page. I have made some improvements to the article, including species authorizations. Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 07:13, 26 August 2018 (UTC) Regards, Mill 1 (talk) 07:13, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mill 1: Thanks. I've made a few small tweaks myself relating to his discovery and publication of two species new to science. I'm still not convinced he fully meets our WP:NACADEMIC criteria, but, on the basis that any scientist skilled enough to recognise a species totally new to science has made a 'significant discovery', per that guideline, I've removed the notability tag I added. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:41, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Jessica Rosemary Shepherd

Hi Nick, Thanks so much for your comment on my talk page about Jessica Rosemary Shepherd and for reviewing the page. I totally agree, I think I went overboard with citations simply because I found so many... but yes it makes sense to be a bit more economical. I've already cut it back a bit and will get it looking a bit less overflowing later today.Goblin Roger House (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Dear AWB'er

I noticed over at the Portals WikiProject that you have or use AWB (or JWB).

There are some tasks that have turned up that are perfect for AWB.

We have many new portals, and they need:

1. To have a {{Portal}} template placed in the See also section on the corresponding root article, outline article, and index article.
2. A {{Portal}} template placed on the corresponding category page.
3. A link placed at the end (in the "bottom" section) on the corresponding navigation template. For an example, see Template:Birds.

The new portals can be found on Category:Single-page portals along with some revamped ones. You'll need to use the skip feature of AWB.

If you have any questions, please {{ping}} me, and ask them below.    — The Transhumanist   01:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).

Administrator changes

None

Asterion • Crisco 1492 • KF • Kudpung • Liz • Randykitty • Spartaz

Optimist on the run → Voice of Clam

Interface administrator changes

Amorymeltzer • Mr. Stradivarius • MusikAnimal • MSGJ • TheDJ • Xaosflux

Guideline and policy news

• Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

Technical news

• Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
• Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on mediawiki.org. They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
• Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

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Tech News: 2018-36

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a new user right for users who can edit CSS and JavaScript for the entire wiki. Before this all admins could edit CSS and JavaScript. This was a security risk. This group is called interface administrators. Administrators can delete user CSS and JavaScript pages. [1][2]
• There will be an A/B test on the Wikipedia mobile website. It starts this week. It tests how we show templates that show information about an article. The test will last two weeks. [3][4]
• You can now use different CSS rules for different skins when you edit templates. This is because of TemplateStyles. [5]
• wp10 in ORES is now called articlequality. [6]
• When you get a new message on your talk page you get a yellow message in the toolbar. The preference to show or not show this has been removed. [7]

Problems

• UploadWizard had problems with campaigns. Users could not upload files. This has now been fixed. [8]
• You can get a notification when a link is made to a page you created. This has not worked since June. It was fixed last week. [9]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 September. It will be on all wikis from 6 September (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 5 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation Readers department will work on advanced mobile editing. You can read more about this and other things they plan to work on over the next year. You can also see the presentation.
• The RelatedSites extension will be removed from Wikivoyage.
• Unused projects on the Wikimedia Cloud virtual private server will be removed. This will happen in October. Projects can be marked if they are being used. [10]

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Portals WikiProject update #018, 04 Sept 2018

Bug hunt!

As you know, portals are now supported by a number of new templates, which are in turn supported by some new Lua modules.

Those templates and modules are being put to the test, in the new portals that have been created since this WikiProject rebooted, plus a number of existing portals that have been revamped.

The new portals, and revamped ones, can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Please browse the new portals at your leisure, and report any and all problems that you spot. Post bug and other portal problem reports at WT:WPPORTD. Please report bugs, quirks, awkward aspects, or anything weird or off that you notice. Compliments and suggestions are also welcome. :)

When you report a bug, please indicate the portal's name, the section that the problem appeared in, and the name of the article appearing (first) in the section with the problem. Most problems will likely be encountered in the Selected general articles" section, due to quirks in a displayed article's wikicode that the lua modules don't handle yet. Your help in spotting those is of utmost value. Thank you.

Don't delete portal subpages just yet

For portals that have been converted to the single-page design, we are not deleting their subpages at this time, because we are working on ways to harvest the data from those pages. For example, the Selected picture subpages include filenames and captions that would be valuable for the image slideshows. Please don't delete portal subpages, for now. They'll be slated for d-batch speedy deletion after harvesting. Thank you.

Development notes

We are currently testing a feature added to {{Transclude files as random slideshow}} that allows it to accept both sourcepages and filenames. Courtesy of Evad37. This will pave the way for harvesting files and their captions from portal subpages, for use in image slideshows.

We need your help

The bulk of the work is being done by a handful of editors. But we can't do it all. We need help with spotting bugs, refining the search parameters in new/revamped portals (in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections), adding images to slideshows for a broader selection (they default to showing the images on the root article page but are capable of showing so much more), adding panoramic pictures at the top of the intro section of region portals (cities, counties, states, provinces, countries, continents, and other regions), to name but a few task types.

It is rewarding to be a part of the growing portal phenomenon. And you get to see its expansion and refinement up close.

Feel free to join in on the fun. ;)

Thank you,    — The Transhumanist   06:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

And that's why I couldn't do TEAHOUSE

	Teahouse Barnstar
	Your work in the Teahouse yesterday - that's truly phenomenal and at least this work shouldn't go unrecognised Nosebagbear (talk) 23:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Re Fred Viner

My sources are from Ancestry, so birth registration and the Census returns. What would be the best way to reference these?

Andy Scott (talk) 08:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, AndyScott. You're going to have a bit of a problem, with the Fred Viner article I fear. I don't think Ancestry.com is regarded as a Reliable Source, whilst original archives like birth certificates, unless published on a reliable non-user-edited website, can't really be used, though I might use a simple footnote to explain the source of birth certificate information and not worry too much about relative trivia.

Archives like these are incidental to the absolute need to establish Notability, which your article still doesn't (see WP:ARTIST). If you could encourage Richmond Art Gallery to publish a biography of him on their website, you might have a chance to cite at least one reliable source about him. To prevent the article being put to a deletion discussion, it might be best if I were to convert it back to a draft for you (?) Or you could keep it in your sandbox to work on until such time as you can show how he meets the criteria. (The former, if unedited for 6 months will be deleted, whilst the latter route can stay there as long as you want it). I was reminded of a local Derby artist whose works are in the Museum I used to be employed at (- see Ernest Townsend). Take a look at that article and see if there's any approach taken there that you can follow. If Viner didn't exhibit at major galleries, or was not recognised in some other way, I suspect he'll just remain one of those competent local artists who won't warrant an article here. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Tea

Welcome, Thank you for following the teahouse. Regards Chickeo 09:30, 14 september 2018 (UTC)

@Chickeo: You're welcome. I've been a host at the Teahouse for nearly a year, and am happy to help or advise others. (I also welcome being helped whenever I get stuck, too!) I sense that you probably already know how to edit here, but haven't yet made any edits to articles. Maybe you've done that under another username before? (I was confused by your first edit relating to being blocked). Either way, I'd suggest you create your userpage and just say a couple of lines about your interests and plans to edit here. And then try your hand at making minor edits to articles that interest you (like grammar or spelling corrections/precising/adding references etc.) I'll keep an eye on your first few contributions and let you know how you're doing, if you like. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a fun interactive way to learn the basics of contributing here, and there are 15 badges to collect along the way. (They automatically get added to your userpage, with a welcome message posted on your talkpage, too).

It is worth me just adding that, in the event that you created this account to avoid a 12 hour block on another account, that would be a real mistake. Avoiding blocks by using another account is regarded quite dimly here, and can lead to permanent blocks to all accounts, and it's worth just sitting things out. Operating two accounts at once is not an acceptable practice, I'm afraid. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you and welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickeo (talk • contribs) 10:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Stop using bad language

WP:DENY
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Maybe I have not seen that page that doesn't mean I am blind.Stop accusing people.How would you feel if I call you blind?Do not use bad language.Kigagan (talk) 13:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC) Hey, Kigagan. Chill, my friend. Me saying Maybe you have biscuit-blindness? was my failed attempt at being humorous with you at the Teahouse. It clearly backfired, so as I've obviously offended you by that, I'm only too happy to apologise. Sorry. Would you like me to 'strike' out my comment to you, which is the Wikipedia way of retracting something said? Just let me know. (I must confess that I don't know why you accuse me of using 'bad language' - normally we take that phrase to mean offensive or obscene words, which I most definitely did not deploy, nor would it be appropriate for any Teahouse host to use.) The offer to send you that shed-load of additional helpful links to get you started still stands - again, just let me know. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

This editor has been blocked as a sock puppet. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

AWB task request: please help with the backlog

Hey...

If you have AWB laying around, please dust it off and crank it up! ;)

We have a growing backlog!

There are now 542 portals. Of those, 51 are of the new design.

Many of the new portals are orphaned or near orphaned, and need links pointing to them:

1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
2. A {{Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
3. A {{Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

To make a list of corresponding templates, you can use AWB's make list feature to make a list of the pages in Category:Single-page portals. Then you copy that list to a sandbox, and replace \nPortal: with ]]\n* [[Template:, using WP:wikEd. That will give you a list of templates to work on. Then you set skip in AWB to skip the ones that already have the portal link.

To make a list of corresponding root articles, make a list of portal links, and then remove "Portal:" from the links.

To make a list of category links to process, make sure you use a leading colon (:) in the category links, like this: [[:Category:Blue Öyster Cult]].

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   20:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news

• The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.

As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.

• There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Coordinator tasks for more info to see if you can help out.

Other

• A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.

Moving to Draft and Page Mover

• Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
• If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
• Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
• The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js^(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
• The Page Mover userright can be useful for New Page Reviewers; occasionally page swapping is needed during NPR activities, and it helps avoid excessive R2 nominations which must be processed by admins. Note that the Page Mover userright has higher requirements than the NPR userright, and is generally given to users active at Requested Moves. Only reviewers who are very experienced and are also very active reviewers are likely to be granted it solely for NPP activities.

List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

Twinkle provides a lot of the same functionality as the page curation tools, and some reviewers prefer to use the Twinkle tools for some/all tasks. It can be activated simply in the gadgets section of 'preferences'. There are also a lot of options available at the Twinkle preferences panel after you install the gadget. In terms of other gadgets for NPR, HotCat is worth turning on. It allows you to easily add, remove, and change categories on a page, with name suggestions. MoreMenu also adds a bunch of very useful links for diagnosing and fixing page issues. User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js(info): Installing scripts doesn't have to be complicated. Go to your common.js and copy importScript( 'User:Equazcion/ScriptInstaller.js' ); into an empty line, now you can install all other scripts with the click of a button from the script page! (Note you need to be at the ".js" page for the script for the install button to appear, not the information page) User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js(info): Creates a scrolling new pages list at the left side of the page. You can change the number of pages shown by adding the following to the next line on your common.js page (immediately after the line importing this script): npp_num_pages=20; (Recommended 20, but you can use any number from 1 to 50). User:Primefac/revdel.js(info): Is requesting revdel complicated and time consuming? This script helps simplify the process. Just have the Copyvio source URL and go to the history page and collect your diff IDs and you can drop them into the script Popups and it will create a revdel request for you. User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js(info): Creates a "Page Curation" link to Special:NewPagesFeed up near your sandbox link. User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js: Creates links next to the title of each page which show up if it has been previously deleted or nominated for deletion. User:Evad37/rater.js(info): A fantastic tool for adding WikiProject templates to article talk pages. If you add: rater_autostartNamespaces = 0; to the next line on your common.js, the prompt will pop up automatically if a page has no Wikiproject templates on the talk page (note: this can be a bit annoying if you review redirects or dab pages commonly).

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Nothing really

1. The 2605.IP sounds the same as the guy further up the page (Teahouse).

2. I did change back an edit from 3 years ago, but it was 10 paragraphs in; not like the Madonna one. I’d still rather report, and let someone “higher up” fix it.

3. Long Answer! Thanks.

4. Pink Floyd fan? I l-o-o-o-v-e Interstellar Overdrive. MBG02 (talk) 09:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi MBG02. You're welcome. Yep, 2605 seems to me trying to insinuate themselves everywhere at the moment, often with poor advice, sadly. You shouldn't be afraid of correcting things that seem wrong to you. Just leave a brief edit summary and even if you've messed it up, it'll be appreciated that your edits are in good faith. That said, if you want someone to correct a page you're wary of altering, it's best to raise it on the article's talk page - though the Teahouse is always there to offer you reassurance or guidance. I'm afraid some of my answers can indeed get a bit lengthy - but I try to assist as best I can. Shorter answers come from my mobile; those longer ones with accidental double spaces in the text are from my ageing laptop and naff keyboard. Pink Floyd - well, whilst not a mega-fan, I have always loved them, since sitting in my uni dormitory in the late 1970s, listening to Echoes, my mind envisaging ancient flying creatures soaring high over desolate Martian landscapes and reddening sunsets. And not a drug in sight! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:16, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

"Looking to hire a Pro to teach me 1 on 1" - your Teahouse reply

Hello Nick, just checking but did you miss a "not" in your last sentence of this Teahouse post by chance? "... it's good that you have your own website to promote yourself, as that's most definitely [not] what Wikipedia is here to do ..." seems the intended meaning - or my non-native English failed me once again :). I'd fix it myself, but usually try to avoid any changes in meaning of other editors' posts. GermanJoe (talk) 22:34, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

@GermanJoe: Thank you so much for this note. Yes, total cock-up that I hadn't spotted in that tiny omission. I hope the editor was out singing for Donald Trump or someone and hadn't already read it! Now fixed. Vielen Dank! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)  

Help request

HELLO NICK!!!! I am new on Wikipedia and pretty sure you are the best editor to support me in creating a new article. In your description you told you would love to work with woman and write a woman's biography. That's really perfect to me !!!I would appreciate if you could write me an E-Mail to : nataliemunchen@hotmail.de Gonna update you with futher details. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Munichlife (talk • contribs)

I have replied on your own talk page at User talk:Munichlife. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:41, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #019, 22 Sept 2018

Portals progress report

Don't blink. You might miss something.

As of a few days ago, portals had doubled in about a month and a half.

Also, there were 98 incompleted portals in Category:Portals under construction. Now there are just 43.

The WikiProject page has been thoroughly revised

The goals, plans, and task sections have all been updated.

Orphaned portals need a home...

Many new portals are still orphans, and need links pointing to them:

1. A portal link at the bottom of corresponding navigation footer template. E.g., Template:Machines for Portal:Machines. See examples of a portals link at the bottom of Template:Robotics and Template:Forestry.
2. A {{Portal}} box in the See also section of the corresponding root article for each portal. If there is no See also section, create one and place the portal template in that. (Rather than placing them in an external links section -- they're not external links).
3. A {{Portal}} template placed at the top of the category page corresponding to each portal.

All new and revamped portals can be found at Category:Single-page portals.

Portal:Contents/Portals

This is the main list of portals.

Nearly 2,000 of the new portals need to be listed here.

They can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

Customized Portal Rating system is now in place

Portals now have a new rating system of their own designed specifically to support portal evaluation! We were trying to use the standard assessment system for articles, but that doesn't fit portals very well.

Many thanks to Evad37, Waggers, AfroThundr3007730, SMcCandlish, Tom, BrendonTheWizard, and Pbsouthwood for their work and input on this.

The new system can be found at the top of all portal talk pages, in the WikiProject portals box. Those with "???" ratings need to be assessed, which makes up most of the older portals.

Most of the new portals were started out with an initial "Low" level of importance when their talk pages were created. Those deserving higher importance should be promoted as you come across them.

Improving the new portals

The starting point for new portals included minimal parameters and content, in the form of default values in the template(s) used for their creation.

Embellishing embedded search strings

So, for the search strings in the "Did you know..." and "In the news" sections, this was the magic word {{PAGENAME}}, which represents the portal's name. Unfortunately, the resulting term is alway capitalized, which limits its effectiveness as a search string for anything but proper nouns. Results for those two sections can be improved, by replacing the "PAGENAME" magic word with multiple search strings, and search strings that begin with lower case letters. There is no inherent limit as to how many search parameters may be included. Lua search notation is used. The more general the subject, the more subtopic search terms you may want to include. For example, on Portal:Avengers (comics), {{PAGENAME}} turned up nothing. But, when more parameters were added, as in the wikicode below...

{{Transclude selected recent additions | {{PAGENAME}} | Iron Man | Spiderman | Antman | Hawkeye | The Hulk | Incredible Hulk | David Banner | Captain America | Scarlet Witch | Black Widow | Tony Stark | Nick Fury | Age of Ultron | Infinity War | months=36 | header={{Box-header colour|Did you know... }}|max=6}}

... that returned several results in the portal's DYK section.

Be sure you make the improvements to both the DYK section and the "In the news" section, as they both require the search strings.

Expanding the slideshow contents

The default starting selection for the image slideshow in most new portals is whatever images happen to be in the corresponding root article (via the PAGENAME magic word). You can improve image slideshows by adding more sourcepages and filenames as parameters in the "Selected images" section of portals.

See Template:Transclude files as random slideshow/doc for instructions.

More exciting things are to come...

Portals used to take about 6 hours or more to create. Now, for subjects that have particular navigation support, we've got that down to about one minute each, with even more content displayed than ever. True, that means the new portals pick you, rather than the other way around. Creating a specific portal that doesn't happen to have the requisite navigation support is still pretty time consuming. But, we are working on extending our reach beyond the low-hanging fruit.

And efforts are ongoing to keep shaving time off of the creation process. Eventually, we may get it down to seconds each.

In addition to improving automation, we're always looking for new features and improvements that we can add to portals, and there is plenty of potential to expand on the standard design so that new portals are even better right out of the starting gate. Additional designs are also possible.

On the horizon, there are many more portals waiting to be created. And we can expect to see at least a few more section types emerge. I never expected slideshows, for example, especially not for excerpts. Who knows where innovation will take us next?

Keep up the great work everyone.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   07:08, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Greetings and inquiry

Hi Nick Moyes I hope you had a great weekend. I am here to ask how i can go about making a reference not to appear twice in the reference list. I have seen a couple of article where one source appears twice. In short I want to know how one source can be put have one number on the reference list and just be a,b,c,d if it has been used on more than one occasion in the article content 6Packs (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi 6Packs. An interesting weekend - rather emotional, in fact - having just returned from taking my daughter off to start a new life at University today. So quite momentous for us, really. I hope yours was good, too. Anyway, thanks for asking about references. There's a really helpful guide to all things referency at WP:REFBEGIN, and in it there's this section on using one reference in more than one place. Let me know how you get on with it. Should your reference be to a book, and you want to reference different pages in different references, there's a cool trick which uses the template {{rp}}. If you click that link you'll see the guidance on using that element, too. But it's always better to duplicate references than to have none at all! Just shout if you have problems, and include a link to any page you're working on. (Oh, I should also add that if you're using the Visual Editor, rather than the more complex-looking Source Editor, there's an option within the cite took to 'reuse' a reference. But (very annoyingly) there's currently no way to designate your own 'refname' unless you first allocate one in Source Editor.) Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes I hope you get used to not having her around. Thank you, I just wanted to know how to deal with such cases especially when I encountered two on the new pages log earlier today 6Packs (talk) 22:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

October 2018 at Women in Red

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Adopt-a-User

OK, so your info on the Teahouse page was incredibly helpful. Thanks. I've had a look through the mentors. And am asking you if you'd mentor me a little where I need help, if you have time. I use wiki fairly regularly (as editor I mean) and have created new pages which I hope are of good standard. Nobody's Friends Titus Trust EdenTree Lycetts Catholic Church Insurance AssociationGraham Tilby and have also done major edits on some pages, including whole new sections on Justin Welby John Sentamu and other pages. I've learnt how to do infoxes, etc. But there are many areas of weakness. I haven't a clue how to go about developping my own userpage for example, so it's more or less empty. And I struggle with image sizing and location on pages. My special area of interest is Church of England, its abuse history, links with corporate business, eg its insurer and other aspects of the corporate structure. Everything I've learnt so far on wiki has been done by learn-as-you-go and it's often been painstaking. Suspect I've wasted alot of time getting things right - when it might have been easier asking someone. I am occasionally asked to do wiki editing by others following news reports and articles - and am always as scrupulous as possible in terms of gathering accurate references. And am conscious that because of the work I am known for as campaigner and media figure in this field, I need to keep tone neutral and depend on accuracy of facts and citations. But it would be true to say that I regard wiki as a powerful tool for bringing daylight to hidden corners of structures that might prefer not to have too much daylight brought to them. Hopefully I've told you all you need to know - to make a decision as to whether you'd be willing to mentor me. No worries if you decide not or are too busy. Joelionheart (talk) 22:05, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Joelionheart. Thanks very much for having the confidence in me to request assistance/adoption under the Adopt-a-User scheme. Although your subject interests and mine really don't seem to coincide at all - and might normally be the grounds for me to turn an editor down - I do really like your commitment and desire to improve your editing skills. And just like you, I worked on learning how to do stuff here bit by bit, doing tons of things the really hard way because nobody told me better ways of doing it. My learning curve for references was a nightmare, so I can appreciate your dilemma, nor did I know of the Teahouse where editors can now get simple and immediate help, though rarely an overview of their general working style and methods over a longer period.

So, actually, yes, I would be happy and honoured to work with you if you wish. Whilst a structured approach to adopting editors has been used by some mentors, I don't have anything prepared in that way as yet. So our relationship would have to take a fairly informal approach - offering you support in the areas you tell me - or I see - you're struggling with, then perhaps just sending you off in areas you haven't ever looked at to learn a few extra skills. It can be ended at any time, nor do I see any sort of 'graduation' where I say, 'OK, you're good to go, now'. Weirdly, although I came here to contribute as an editor, I am currently find get as much satisfaction by helping to keep the project running by removing bad edits (and occasionally bad editors) and in encouraging others, like you, to contribute well and effectively.

I might take on board a few lessons I've learned from working with my first 'adoptee' and perhaps create a subpage of my own userpage where we can converse, rather than fill up the talk page of new drafts with potentially irrelevant chit-chat on policy, help pages and so on. I'm not using watch lists at the moment to reduce the number of emails I'm receiving, as I'm very busy in the real world and have become swamped with webmail messages. That way I'd get an on-wiki notification from you of any post you made there, and you could add that page to your own watch list so you spot any replies I might make. How does all that sound? Regards from the Midlands of England, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Nick Nick Moyes, and thanks for your reply. Informal is good. Better for me than a structured 'lesson plan' approach as I can ask for help as and when I need. Probably more to begin with - there are many aspects I find tricky with wiki. Once off grid into this realm of wiki I'm pretty much lost! May seem as if I'm a fairly experienced editor with a handful of new pages and infoboxes - but I haven't a clue what happens behind the scenes. I see people have fancy user pages but have no idea where all those boxes come from. Are they 'given' by others? Perhaps that's a daft question? Part of me is saying it doesn't matter at all as that's not what I'm here for - I don't need to collect accolades. But then perhaps editors might take what I'm doing a little more seriously if I have some of the right boxes! Non-coinciding of interests is good. You'll see my work with dispassionate and objective eyes. I am very close to the subjects I am editing. So it's often quite strange to be neutral. I think on the whole I've managed quite well. And am proud of some sections on majorly important pages - which have hardly been touched since. So where do I start? Is this the place we meet - or is there another page to post to? And my first request - when you have time - can you look at Nobody's Friends and indicate how I might improve it in terms of layout, information, quotes, etc. Am I making basic howlers? Is tone right? Can I ask for people to review or is that too early? It's a tricky article because the club is in fact as you've probably guessed very secretive. I have little to go on - so I'm trying to build in as much info from modern period as possible. I have some information I can't reference - as I've had direct contact with the Treasurer/Secretary of the Club. So for example I know that Nobody's in fact admitted women some time ago, and now has 150 members. And there are other things I'm aware of from recent Private Eye articles but I can't access them for reference. This is one of the difficulties I often find - that the organisations I am writing about often wish to keep their worlds hidden. Or have scant media coverage. Another thing I've come across is that some of these organisations have their PR media bods act as their wiki protection - they will step in to 'manage' the page quickly if they feel too much daylight. If you want a classic example of this and see how I sucessfully edited a very thin page substantially, (I warn you it's a long read - but is quite comic) - have a look at Allchurches Trust Talk page. You'll see a polite ding-dong between myself and their PR person. I won every argument. They keeled over. But it took some nerve. Anyway, it's quite funny. And it's there for all time. I chuckle still at that victory! Tnanks for your help.Joelionheart (talk) 00:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I will reply, in full, soon. Rather busy ITRW at present. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Joelionheart. I am terribly sorry for the loing gap in replying to you. I did start to draft a reply on my mobile, but lost it all. I have less access to a keyboard than I need at the moment, and whenever I do, other things seem to demand my attention. Anyway, I've takena look at Nobody's Friends again. In general, it's fine, though I could suggest a few tweaks, as follows:

• Fix typo in lead. Its motto..., not It's motto...
• Move image to start of page, and enhance caption if you're not planning to use an optional WP:Infobox.
• Well done on using the {{quote}} temaplte, though personally I wouldn't have utilised them for that series of short quotations as, following one after the other, they do tend to break open the layout of the page. I'd have considered using few quote templates, but keeping others within the flow of a paragrpah, and citing each one to its source with inline citations as I went along.

Other than that, I can't find too much to criticise, to be honest. Your references seem fully entered, and I am impressed that you didn't fall into the trap of adding factual content that you are unable to reference. Including only what you can cite is the best approach. Occasionally (assuming you're not breaching anyone's confidence or copyright) one can find a way to mention things on a talk page that a future researcher might find helpful, but which at this point in time one wouldn't be able to reference. This might give a steer to subsequent editors on what to focus on, or remains still unknown. See Talk:Joseph Whittaker for one way I took that opportunity.

It's taken me a while (another reason for the delay in responding), but I have finally sat down and read the talk page for Allchurches Trust. You were right - it was long, but very impressive. I think you both handled yourselves very well, and respect to you for digging in to find suitable content and responses. We always tell organisations that they don't own pages that refer to them, and it was heart-warming to see how you addressed their concerns and reached a consensus. You clearly have the makings of a superb editor. If I can assist in that process, I'd be only too pleased. Something I think I put in my first, lost draft reply to you was to suggest you made a bulleted or numbered list of the topics you feel weakest in, and where you'd like some help. We can work through that and help bring you up to speed in those particular areas. Do try to remember to include proper wiki-links when referring to other pages you want me to look at. And do you know what a 'diff' is and how to link to one in a discussion (see WP:DIFF)? And also how to indent your replies for clarity (see WP:INDENT)? I've suggested these as little tips you might be interested to read up on for next time if you're not sure how they work. You might also like to remind me which editing tool you prefer to use - our source editor (which I recommend experienced editors familiarise themselves with), or our newer Visual Editor. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Nick I just wanted to drop by and offer my heartfelt thanks to you and how you try best to help others especially at teahouse and how you constantly give me advise. I really do appreciate that and hope to continue making Wikipedia better. I wish you, and your daughter academic success. Cheers for the good humour 6Packs (talk) 10:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for that, 6Packs - you're showing the signs of becoming a great all-round editor. Keep up the good work, and we'll be seeing you at the Teahouse again, I'm sure. (PS: I've just redirected one of your CSD nominations - do consider doing a Google search before nominating to see if there is a genuine topic either to be covered or, in this case, already covered, albeit as a stub.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes thank you, I noticed that. It's well noted. Cheers 6Packs (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Image rights

Hello Nick Thank you for your inputs, they brought me questions I was not aware. My intent was to upload an image of a monument using one post stamp issued in Romania, so I don' t know if there are protected rights, I believe not. I understood your procedures to upload, but still don't know if there is a limit for the size (pixels) of a jpg file (this is what I meant by "standards" on picture. If there are no objections, I will try to edit the article with an image upload. Thank you Lfifaria

Hi, Lfifaria. (I've moved your post to the bottom of my talk page, as that's where all new posts should go -oh, and don't forget to sign each one with four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~, please). OK, I'm no expert on Wikimedia Commons images. But there's no size limit you should be worried about. But I see no point in supplying a massive 10Mb file of a tiny stamp! A 700x 1000 pixel image should be fine, I'd have suggested. What I don't,. didn't know is anything about copyright of a country's stamp images - that could be a question you'd have to ask at Wikimedia Commons, or look for similar images of Romanian stamps and see how others have dealt with licencing. Hold on - I've just found the answer for you. Visit C:Category:Stamps of Romania and you'll see a notice saying they're all public domain there. So that's good news! I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Wolverhampton Art Gallery GLAM project

Hi Nick, Thanks for your advice over at the treehouse earlier. I phoned the gallery, the person I spoke to was a little weary at first but after I explained that I could potentially improve the pages of some of their exhibitors they became very obliging. I have been given a couple of email addresses and will be drafting an email either later tonight or tomorrow. Is there anything, in particular, I need to put in the email? I am also open to the idea of QRpedia and happy to suggest it to them. Best wishes Albrighton Titon (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Albrighton Titon. That's great news. Did you mean weary or wary? I imagine the latter. Many of my colleagues, as I think I mentioned, seem surprisingly wary of Wikipedia, yet it's free work done for them, in a popular, accessible format on the 5th most visited website in the world. The things to avoid saying in any email is suggesting they release their images to Wikimedia Commons - that really tends to put curators off, so focus on knowledge and information. Point out that Wikipedia can only accept factual information that's backed up by reliable sources that are available for people to access and to fact-check for themselves. So, if they're willing to meet with you and talk about what resources they have and that they'd let you come in an look it, you could help them (for free) to publicise one or more of their lesser known local artists. I wouldn't mention to start with, but you could link, or mention, the GLAM page we did for Derby Museum back in 2011. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Derby There's a list of outcomes of the project, very little of which required people coming into our Museum to access our archives because so much was done remotely, but we (Derby Museum, that is ) gave them the kickstart, and we got the benefit from it. (The Museum even got mentioned by Jimmy Wales during a talk he gave in America).

What I'd simply suggest you say is that it would be good to explore the potential of working to improve awareness of aspects of their collections. You could gently suggest that they might like to spend five minutes beforehand, thinking about which artists or individual paintings they believe are significant, but overlooked, in their collections and/or website, and invite them either to list a few names for you, or even to check on Wikipedia themselves and note down what's there (if anything), and what they'd like to see improved. Then you'd have a starting point to work from. But remember if you give staff too much homework to do before they meet with you, they might feel more wary of getting involved. (We love volunteers, but we're all already far too overworked and with limited resources. So make it obvious when you meet them that it would not involve them in any significant work at all, but could give them wider awareness of local artists. The thing to stress when you meet with them that museums and galleries all round the world have been working with Wikipedians for over 10 years, including the British Museum (see Hoxne hoard as a superb collaborative venture), and that you'd be offering to do the work, but that they only need to steer you towards the best topics, based on their own library and archives. The article on Derby collector Alfred E. Goodey and on Harold Gresley are just two examples amongst many of where new articles on notable Derby artists were created through this cooperation.

One thing to remember - and possibly point out if it comes up - is that Wikipedia is still strict on verifiability but doesn't readily accept original museum archives as reference sources. Despite us curators regarding our archives as invaluable, these aren't readily accessible to other people who want to verify what has been said on Wikipedia. So, whilst the museum might have some fantastic paper notes or diaries in its archives from some local artist, as a Wikipedian you wouldn't be able to cite these directly. But the wonderful way around that problem, should it ever arise, is to encourage the museum to publish a page/article/pdf on its own website based upon that material, which, because a museum website is regarded as a reliable source, you or other editors would then be able to cite on Wikipedia.

If I think of anything else I'll ping you but I'm going out shortly, so it wouldn't be until much later. I wish you well, and hope to hear you've had a good meeting with one or more of the Wolverhampton curators. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@Albrighton Titon: Having reviewed your contributions, I realise you're extremely new to editing here on Wikipedia, so feel free, if you wish, to mention that you're being supported by an experienced editor with 30 years of museum curatorial experience, and who understands the issues and concerns that museum staff might have of working with Wikipedia. And my suggestion to you is that you don't rush to create a new article - work to improve existing ones first, if you can, and then to work on any draft within your own personal Sandbox. I can help you with formatting and referencing, if you need it. If you've not already done so, do have a read of Wikipedia: Your first article, and do try out the interactive Wikipedia Adventure which gives you 15 'badges' to collect as you work your way through the basics of editing here. Once again, all the best and good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@NickMoyes: Thanks Nick, it's been a little hectic these last few days but I'm just about to email them and will hopefully have something set up for next week. I do have a few ideas for articles but I think I'll definitely start out with the adventure over the weekend before drafting something up in my sandbox. If you could help me draft up my first article and show me what to do that would be awesome! Albrighton Titon (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, the process for appointing interface administrators has been established. Currently only existing admins can request these rights, while a new RfC has begun on whether it should be available to non-admins.
• There is an open request for comment on Meta regarding the creation a new user group for global edit filter management.

Technical news

• Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
• The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
• Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
• The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
• Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
• Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.

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Nothing Really (again)

Just did my first undo. Looks ok (ureter). Cannot understand how in c300 pageviews, I’m the first? I mean, not just this page; I’ve fixed c10 (obvious) errors that were over 30 days wrong, and 1 that was 3 years (and c10k views). One of my edits got reverted in a minute as “appearing to be not constructive”.

I’m also staggered by how many people vandalise (I know there’s a different Wiki definition, but it’s “vandalism” to me). I expect you (and thousands) could write a book on it!

The truth is out there (sometimes)!

MBG02 (talk) 08:28, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey!! I just discovered my 12Aug edit got reinstated on 31Aug. So 7 weeks of being miffed, should’ve only been 3. And, now I’m quite chuffed. MBG02 (talk) 09:40, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, MBG02. Well done! It's a good feeling to be helping to keep back the hordes of vandals. Had you wished to, you could have quickly warned the editor using Twinkle. It's often worth checking their other contributions on other pages, too. And yes, in time we all collect weird stories of interesting or unusual editor behaviour. But despite it all, we do still have over 5 million well-curated encyclopaedic pages, and relatively few badly-damaged ones - and tens of thousands of currently active editors like you who are helping to make it even better. So you're entitled to feel chuffed. Keep up the good work - and WP:BEBOLD. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Ta. MBG02 (talk) 07:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you

I'm Diane and I was working on Hannah Wimbolt article. I am a total novice but I know I need to reference my various newspapers and books so I will need to spend more time - probably tomorrow and Thursday. I do appreciate your help because this coding is a totally new experience for me. Diane Coffey (talki) 20:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I'm also working with Diane and I've hit a bit of trouble. I have accidentally used a lower case 'b' rather than an upper case 'B' in the article title. Is it possible to change this, do you know? The article is Laurie Bolger. With thanks, you are a legend BryanMensa (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@BryanMensa: I've sorted that for you, and inserted a proper references section and tidied up the publications list. I'm not sure from the text that she meets our Notability criteria for entertainers, but haven't waded through the citations to actually check. So I'll let that one go. Beware the trap of adding categories that don't actually exist. Try to find related articles and check the categories these ones use. See Category:Alumni of Bath Spa University which does exist. Well done on getting engaged with the editathon. How did it go? I hope you found it worthwhile and that you're motivated to continue contributing. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Diane Coffey:. Adding references to new articles or drafts is one of the hardest parts of editing, but is absolutely crucial. It has to be done properly. You are new here and inevitably you will make mistakes, especially if you rush to create new articles without first mastering the basics of how they are constricted (It was nine months before I first dared to create my first article.) May I suggest you get a overview of editing by trying The Wikipedia Adventure]? And also do read Wikipedia: referencing for beginners and check out Help:Tutorial, too. Whether you use our Visual Editor or our more useful but more technical-looking 'source editor', both editing tools actually contain a drop-down 'Cite' template, making your task of inserting in-line citations really simple. You do need to master how to utilise this, but you certainly don't need to fiddle around with complicated markup as I used to do when I first started, not realising all I had to do was simply fill in the relevant fields (Title, author, date, publisher, page number etc.) I should also say it's far better to work on articles in draft or in your personal sandbox (see link at very top of every page) and get them right. It may take time, but there's no rush, and far better than putting it out into mainspace too soon, only to find somebody comes along and doesn't like your initial version and proposes the article for deletion. There are no deadlines here on Wikipedia, but there is sadly a gender bias which is gradually being addressed. We need more women editirs, too, so I'm keen to encourage and welcome you here. Feel free to ask any questions, either of me, or at the Teahouse. Do check out the Women In Red project, as I think this will be right up your street. Best wishes from a very sunny Derby, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:42, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for answering my question, Nick Moyes, but to answer your question, I would like scientists in astronomy, like Tycho Brahe or Nicolaus Copernicus.so I hope that helps narrow it down THEGREECEPEACE 23:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Greecemaniac2005. You get points deducted for not explaining yourself better when you posted at the Teahouse!!! But seriously, like I said in my original reply, this encyclopaedia is never going to create its own list of best scientists, but I now think I have an answer to help you find all the articles about a related topic, like 'astronomers'. You simply need to look at the 'Categories' shown at the bottom of every page. Tycho Brahe has nearly 30 categories, and click one that interests you. That will display a list of all the articles currently tagged with that Category name, and at the bottom of the page you'll see the parent category that that child category falls in to. If you visit Special:CategoryTree you are able to select simple category titles and see the sub-categories and pages within them (like this). Does this make sense and give you what you want?

By the way, what have you done to your signature? I think you have you changed it at Special:Preferences, and have given yourself a name that's not the same as your username. If you would uncheck the box labelled Treat the above as wiki markup. Keeping it as it is gives no link back to your talk page and so I had no idea who really had left a talk page message, and this goes against our guidelines that require a hyperlink back to you. (See WP:SIGLINK for details). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Angela McRobbie

I nick moyes, our undergraduate research class is currently working on a project about women in feminism. Part of that project is to provide an updated Wikipedia source for each leader. Angela McRobbies page isn't as up to date as it could be considering some of the descriptions cited her last book as "The Aftermath of Feminism". Her page will be fully updated by October 30th, so I would greatly appreciate if the changes i made were left alone. I do apologize for not having an explanation. I am only using Wikipedia for this class project and Im not familiar with how everything works lol. If there is a section where I can leave an edit note, I will explain why I removed some of the content.Thank you for your help! Iwill be making various changes to Angela's page over the next couple of weeks, and I will be sure to have it as accurate as possible with all references included. Please be patient with me. Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AccurateMaster17 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, AccurateMaster17 I recognise that the article needs improvement, but this is a live encyclopaedia. Every change made should be an improvement, and there should not be temporary periods of disruption. If you think this is inevitable, you may place the {{In use}} template on the page for a short while to avoid edit conflicts with others. An alternative is to temporarily copy the complete text into your user sandbox (but you must use an edit summary when you do so which gives attribution to the source. i.e. you must clearly state where the content you're pasting in has come from so that our licencing conditions are upheld). You and others could then work on an alternative version in a safe environment. If you like the result, you could then link to it vi a talk page discussion and see what other editors feel. If you get consensus, you could make those edits to the real page. I'm pinging Danielle Peers to draw her attention to this discussion as I see she made one edit which removed a significant amount of cited content, whilst adding a lot of her personal opinions and hyperbole about a new publication. Whilst it's fine to update the page, all content must be based upon third-party, independent and reliable sources. It's terribly important that you remind an student you teach that this is an encyclopaedia, not a free-for-all blog post where anyone can add their own opinions. Wikipedia should be using a neutral tone of voice to reflect dispassionately what others have said about a topic, not leading the way in promoting it ne novo. I recognise that the Angela McRobbie page does needs improvement, so good luck with that. Might I suggest you tell your professor to get every student s/he asks to edit Wikepedia to first undertake our rather fun interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure? There are 15 badges to collect as you learn the basic of how Wikipedia works. (Try it from a PC/desktop, rather than a mobile, as it doesn't always work well with small devices). Good luck, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #020, 12 Oct 2018

Whew, a lot has been happening.

A bit of defending of the portals has been needed. But, most activity recently has been directed upon maintenance and development of existing portals.

The majority of portals now use the new design, about 2400 of them, leaving around 1200 portals that still employ the old style.

Newest portals

• Aceh
• Aegean Sea
• Arthur Wellesley
• Azores
• Bashkortostan
• Birmingham
• Black Sea
• Canary Islands
• Carpathian Mountains
• Caucasus
• Columbia River
• Davao City
• Dnieper
• Easter Island
• Exploration
• Galápagos Islands
• Glasgow
• Great Wall of China
• Guangdong
• Kaliningrad Oblast
• Kanpur
• Kigali
• Kuril Islands
• Kuwait City
• Leeds
• Lhasa
• Loire Valley
• Lucknow
• Lviv
• Map projections
• Marseille
• Midwestern United States
• Missouri River
• Multan
• Mysore
• Niger River
• Northeast India
• Odessa
• Orchestras
• Panama Canal
• Peshawar
• Polynesia
• Poznań
• Pretoria
• Rat Pack
• Sammy Davis Jr.
• Shandong
• South China Sea
• Southern United States
• Suez Canal
• Svalbard
• Tatarstan
• Tigris River
• Visakhapatnam
• Volga River
• Western Ghats
• Western United States
• Yellowstone National Park
• Yosemite National Park

Please inspect these portals, and report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

MfDs

Since the last issue of this newsletter, Nineteen portals were nominated for deletion. All posted by the same person.

Two portals were deleted.

One resolved as "no consensus".

Sixteen resolved as "keep".

Links to the archived discussions are provided below:

1. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Air France
2. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Alexander Korda
3. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:August Derleth
4. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Average White Band
5. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bee-eaters
6. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ben E. King
7. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benny Goodman
8. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bill Bryson
9. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Idol
10. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Billy Ocean
11. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bob Hope
12. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Bobbie Rosenfeld Award
13. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Body piercing
14. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Canton, Michigan
15. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Compostela Group of Universities
16. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diplo
17. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Diversity of fish
18. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pebble Beach
19. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Peter, Paul and Mary

Many thanks to those who participated in the discussions.

To watch for future MfD's, keep in mind that the Portals WikiProject is supported by automatic alerts. You can see them at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#Article alerts: portals for deletion at MfD

Creation criteria

There was also some discussion of creation criteria for portals. The result was that one of the participants in the discussion reverted the portal guidelines to the old version, which has the minimum number of articles for a portal included in there: "about 20 articles", a guideline that was in place since 2009.

Many of the portals that existed prior to April 2018 do not have that many (being limited to however many subpages the portal creator created), and therefore, these portals need to be upgraded to the new design (which automatically provides many articles for display). Using the new design, exceeding 20 articles for display is very easy.

Linking to the new portals

Efforts have been underway to place links to new portals (all 2200 of them created since April).

1. Link (portal button) from corresponding category pages.  Done
2. Link from See also section on corresponding root articles. Partially implemented
3. Link from bottom of corresponding templates. Partially implemented
4. Link for each portal on Portal:Contents/Portals. Partially implemented

Your help is needed. It is easy to access the page mentioned in #1, #2, & #3 from the portals themselves.

AWBers could do these tasks even faster (that's how the category pages were done), except #4...

Item #4 above pretty much has to be done by hand. (If you can find a way to speed that up, I would be very impressed). The links needing placement can be found at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet. Instructions are included there.

The conversion effort: news sections

There are still around 1200 old-style portals that have only undergone partial conversion to the new design concepts, still relying on subpages with copied/pasted excerpts that have been going stale for years, out of date (manually posted) news entries, etc.

The section currently being tackled on these is news. You can help by deleting any news section on the old-style portals that has news entries that are years old (that is the dead giveaway to a manual news section). Be sure not to delete the news sections of portals that have up-to-date news, or active maintainers. For maintainers, look at the portal's categories, and/or check the participants list at WP:WPPORT.

Eventually, conditional news sections (that appear only when news items are available for display) will be added using AWB to all portals without a news section.

News items (and even the news sections themselves) are automatically generated for portals that were created using the Basic portal start page. On those portals, there is a hidden comment at the top of the page (that you can see in the edit window), that says this:

<!-- This portal was created using subst:Basic portal start page -->

Design development

Presently, we are in the process of implementing the new design features, creating new portals with them, and installing them in existing portals.

But, what about development of new new design features?

We have a wish department.

Post your wishes at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Design#Discussions about possible cool new features, and they might come true. Many have already, and for many of those, this is where they were posted.

Cascade effect

A resource that has been elusive so far will be obtained eventually: categories. That is, the ability to pull category member links to populate a page.

Rather than populate portals directly with such links, it may be more beneficial to the encyclopedia to utilize them in navigation footers, because portals already have the ability to generate themselves based on those.

So, this would create a cascade effect: auto-gathering entries from categories, would enable the construction of new navigation footers, that would in turn support the development of new portals.

The cascade effect would also be felt by existing portals, as existing navigation footers could be expanded using the category harvesting methods, which would in turn expand the coverage of portals that access those navigation footers.

You can help by providing leads about any potential category harvesting methods. Please report anything you know about harvesting categories at WT:WPPORTD. Thank you.

Looking into the future: the quantum portal?

One idea that has been floating around is the concept of a pageless portal. That is, a portal that isn't stored anywhere, instead being generated when you click on a menu item or button.

Many of the new portals were generated by a single click, and then saved via a second click.

Therefore, it seems likely that the portals of the future will employ the one-click concept.

Because of the need for customization by users, this concept would need to be augmented with a way to integrate user contributions. This could be done in at least two ways: posting an existing portal, autogenerating one from scratch if such does not yet exist, or have a special data page for user contributions that is folded into the auto-generated portal.

How soon? That is up to you. All that is needed are persons to implement it.

Until next time...

Keep up the good work on portals. They are improving daily. Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   04:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi Nick, there are many articles which are vandalised but how can I know that which articles are vandalised?And how can I revert it if I am not informed?Md.Ali25 (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Md.Ali25 Have you seen Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol which is a project to reduce vandalism by monitoring Special:RecentChanges? This is a live list of every current edit. Obviously, you have to make an assessment whether an edit is vandalistic or not. To help me, I use a particular setting which only shows the most likely problematic edits. This is the setting I use. Of course, you still have to make that assessment, but you could start by simply looking for very obvious harmful changes. - you click the 'diff' link to show what that change has done. Always Assume Good Faith - so only revert an edit (with an edit summary please!) to explain why you've reverted.  If you're not sure, you could simply put that page on your Watchlist and see if anyone else reverts that edit over the next few minutes to days. If you're over-keen to revert what turn out to be good edits, you will be gently warned by other editors that you;re not quite dong it right. Should that happen, do stop and think what it is that you're not quite doing right.

You could also go to Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit where they have an 'academy' to help people learn how to deal with vandalism. Let me know how you get on. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey Nick,I have enabled Twinkle which gives me an easy tool to fight vandalism.I decided to inform you as you told me to inform you how things go.Md.Ali25 17:54, 15 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Md.Ali25 (talk • contribs)

@Md.Ali25: Well done. If you have popups enabled for this site, you'll get a new window which opens up the editing tool on the user talk page of the person whose edits you've just reverted as vandalism. You're under no obligation to leave a warning, but (assuming your assessment of genuine vandalism is definitely correct), a gently escalating series of warnings can help to deter a new user from continuing in that manner. Rather than use the 'Warn' menu for someone who I see hasn't already received a friendly welcome message here, I try to use the 'Wel'come option leave a templated welcome messsage for 'problem users'. As always, be as polite as you possibly can, and assume good faith at all times. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick.Md.Ali25 09:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Md.Ali25 (talk • contribs)

Bhutan wine question

Nick - thanks for the question regarding wine in Bhutan. I am the CEO of the Bhutan Wine Company, a Delaware based company set up to develop the fine wine industry in Bhutan. For the last two years we have been conducting extensive research in the country, working with a number of the governmental agencies, reviewing extensive soil and weather reports to evaluate where to begin with fine wine plantings. During this time, we stumbled on this Wikipedia entry regarding this attempt to plant vines in the country. We contacted the Taltarni wine company and spoke with a number of employees. They have no record of any such plantings. We also worked with the governmental agencies, who also had no record of any plantings. In order to bring plant material into the Kingdom, there are a number of Bhutanese regulations which are extremely protective of local plant species. There is absolutely no way vines could have been planted without going through a multi-year quarantine project with the appropriate governmental agencies. I know, because we are in the middle of this right now and it has taken us two years to get to the point where we are about to plant the first vines. Now, it is possible (maybe) that someone smuggled in vines. However the posting refers to 7000 vines, near Paro. This would be about 5 acres of vineyards in a well populated area that is quite small. There's no way this would have gone unnoticed. That said, we did detailed site surveys of the entire Paro area, as that is one of our first quarantine locations. There's no vineyards, no traces of vineyards, and no wild vine growth anywhere in the valley (which would happen in an area like this due to birds dispersing seeds). So we know emphatically that the posting is incorrect, and more importantly, it is also potentially harmful to our business as it makes it looks like grapes are unable to be grown in Paro, which we are about to attempt. Consequently, I would strongly recommend that we either remove the page as factually incorrect, or we revert it to the edits we previously made, which are accurate. Either approach is fine, but leaving it as is would be inaccurate. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.5.174.156 (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for reaching out to me. Bear in mind that I have no knowledge or interest in this topic, per se. Obviously you do, so perhaps the first thing I'd ask is for you to add a note to your userpage which simply declares your conflict of interest in this area, assuming you're planning to make further edits. The problem we have is that Wikipedia can only rely for its content on what has already been published in reliable sources. No matter what you or I happen to know personally, we simply aren't allowed to edit articles based on that knowledge. On the assumption that what you're telling me is totally factually correct, it's really unfortunate that the article is based on a 2nd or 3rd edition of a nationally known book on wines, published by OUP. (As an aside, have you and Taltarni reached out to the publishers or the authors and communicated your information with them? This seems a good idea, especially as I think that statement was also in the earlier (2006?) guidebook too. At least you me able to get it updated in later editions. I see on page 5 of the book that you are invited to send in updates to editorial@jancisrobinson.com. You could also make contact with the contributor (D.G.) of that particular piece on Bhutan, who according to page xi of that book, is Denis Gastin, a widely published Australian wine-writer, email: winewriterATdenisgastin.com.au )

If you represent the Bhutan Wine Company, I do see an opportunity for you (and I can't find any website for you) to publish a statement of the 'history' or maybe 'non-history' of wines in that country. Whilst there would remain a potential conflict of interest in editing, it could go some way to helping redress any factual errors. The problem we have in reverting to this earlier version is that the article consists of just uncited assertions and annotations, and it was those that I felt needed to be removed, whilst I also recognised the likely veracity of your claims. Do you have any feeling whether there is ever likely to be any press and media coverage about your company's work which could help to inform the article in the near future? Now, I could submit the page to our Articles for Deletion process, but any proposal for deletion might well be turned down, based on the Oxford Companion to Wine's claim. Now, if you were to make contact with the books's editors or contributors, and they agreed with you that it is an error on their part, Wikipedia does have a way of accepting emails from verified accounts which could possibly be used to establish that the one book on which this article is based is now formally recognised by those authors as being flawed. If you think you might be able to elicit an email from either Mr Gastin, or the Wine Guide's editors, then we might be able to demonstrate that there is no wine industry in Bhutan and to have the article deleted from Wikipedia, based on that WP:OTRS communication. (please see this last link for information on how it works). Of course, you being the Bhutan Wine Company might actually want an article on that industry in a few more years time, and could be frustrated if there are then no independent sources to demonstrate that there now is one! (though I did find this personal blog, and this, plus this from Jancis Robinson herself. (Wikipedia generally regards blogs as unreliable, so rarely uses them as citations.)

So please don't think I'm not trying to support your standpoint - it's just that all that we do here within Wikipedia has to be based on reliable sources - and you're asserting (without formal evidence) that the only source in the page on Bhutan wine is utterly wrong. So we - well you- need to show it is wrong. I'm really sorry about that. Obviously, I have no idea who you are, so pointing us to some proven publications or websites is your best bet. I did try my very hardest in my edits to inject a healthy degree of scepticism about the 1990 reports, but until such time as you can get some media interest in your current work which refers back to earlier flawed reports, then we are rather stuck in a quandary.

If you are agreeable, I would be happy to copy/paste this conversation (plus some commentary of my own) into the Talk Page of Bhutan wine so that (despite you being an anonymous editor) there are at least some assertions permanently associated with that page to suggest that the tiny 42-word entry is indeed flawed. If we later can hear formally from the editors of the Oxford Companion to Wine that it was all just bunkum (via a published update or an email from them direct to our OTRS team) we can then decide on whether deletion or updating is the best route to follow. Does this help you in any way? Regards from the UK (and I'm wondering if I might be looking forward to receiving a nice case of Bhutan wine from you in a few years time, should your investigations bear fruit, so to speak!), Nick Moyes (talk) 01:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you so much ... not only for your help as to what I needed to change about the article, but also for the encouraging words. (they were needed!)

Krishendrix78 (talk) 18:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Coincidence

I was on your user page and saw the Wikipedian For template. I added it to my user page and was about to edit it with my start date and didn't have to - we both started editing on the exact same day, eight years, nine months and eleven days ago. What are the odds? Cheers. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: - hey, that's pretty cool. Though, actually, I've just checked and it looks like I've got 19 hours head start on you! LOL (And weirdly, like your dad, my mother was also an artist and illustrator, though nowhere near notable enough for me to start a page on her!) Nick Moyes (talk) 01:19, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Haha - you had the advantage of the time zone difference! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

British Isles Mountains

Hi Nick,

Coming back to you as have done my overhaul of the British Isles mountains lists. Found a lot of old unloved articles (not touched for over 10 years) where the data was out of date, unsourced (e.g. not really usable), in a customised format (e.g. can't be re-downloaded), and/or wrong ranking. I downloaded tables from the two highest quality sources, the Database of British and Irish Hills and MountainViews Online Database (for Ireland). They are now a single primary source, referenceable as correct as at October 2018, and the small specific areas that they do not agree are marked (the databased themselves also mark their differences). The tables are all linked (using the [[ ]] in excel), and are in m and ft, and I have created a lot of REDIRECT pages so that future downloads of these databases (which should be done every year or so) require minimal manual intervention to ensure they automatically link when imported. I have ranked the big tables by height and by the prominence. In summary, I have:

1. Rewritten two main "root" articles (which all tables, lists, definitions link back to):

1. Lists of mountains and hills in the British Isles
2. Lists of mountains in Ireland

2. Created new articles that are tables for:

1. List of Donald mountains in Scotland
2. List of Graham mountains in Scotland
3. List of Corbett mountains in Scotland
4. List of Munro mountains in Scotland, there was never a single Munro, or Munro Top, table.
5. List of Murdo mountains in Scotland
6. List of Birketts
7. List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales
8. List of Hewitt mountains in England, Wales and Ireland

3. Restructured old articles with new tables:

1. List of Marilyns in the British Isles, this is the proper "root" table for Marilyns
2. List of P600 mountains in the British Isles, was article had forgotten that it was about P600s
3. List of Wainwrights, updated the tables in a format that can be re-downloaded easily

4. Redirected old unfixable articles (e.g. bad data but in a format that can't be re-downloaded) to new articles:

1. All the Nuttalls articles redirect to List of Nuttall mountains in England and Wales
2. All the Hewitts articles redirect to List of Hewitt mountains in England, Wales and Ireland
3. All the Marilyn articles - except for Scotland - redirect to List of Marilyns in the British Isles
4. Various top-10 and top-100 lists of UK mountains that were all out of date, and in an unfixable format

5. Created two "mega" lists of highest and most prominent mountains for the classic wiki-search:

1. List of mountains of the British Isles by height, 2,754 Simms peaks searchable peaks by height and by prominence
2. List of Marilyns in the British Isles, 2011 Marilyns peaks searchable peaks by height and by prominence

6. I kept the following articles:

1. List of Munros in Scotland by Section, a good article that is of historical value even though its measurements are old
2. List of Marilyns in Scotland, a whole series that are out-of-date but am waiting for a response on Talk Page to re-direct to the above Marilyn article

For some reason, there was (is?) an infatuation in old articles about listing the "parent peaks" of major mountains. The Database of British and Irish Hills ("DoBIH") will tell anybody that this is not meaningful (e.g. parents should not have parents). In all the above tables, I have given the DoBIH parents, which are supplied when relevant (e.g. Munro Tops, Nuttall, and Donald Tops), however we need to stop people making tables with non-DoBIH parent data, as they are confusing and not updateable (e.g. the DoBIH does not list them).

Hope this makes sense. I had a thought that we should create a new template banner for the Talk Pages of British Isles mountains tabes which tells people (1) not to change individual metrics (otherwise they lose the integrity of a single primary source at a given date), (2) not to create new non-DoBIH tables (as they ultimately become orphans and out of date - it is amazing how much prominence data has changed in the last 10 years), and how to re-download the data themselves to update ? Hope it helps! Britishfinance (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2018 (UTC) @Britishfinance: Sorry for not replying sooner. I've been rather busy in the "real world" and am now off walking in Yorkshire for a week. I'll look at it in detail asap and reply again in due course if that's okay? Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 10:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem Nick, it is a lot to look at, but I think it would be good to get your input. The good thing about having these tables is that they should hopefully serve as a focal point for referencing data (some of the individual peak pages have out-of-date height or prominence), and for showing editors how many "redlinks" are yet to be done (still plenty of Munros that need articles!). thanks again for your interest. Britishfinance (talk) 11:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal

• There is currently an ongoing discussion regarding the drafting of a Community Wishlist Proposal for the purpose of requesting bug fixes and missing/useful features to be added to the New Page Feed and Curation Toolbar.
• Please join the conversation as we only have until 29 October to draft this proposal!

Project updates

• ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
• There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.

New scripts

• User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel.js^(info) — A new script created for quickly placing {{copyvio-revdel}} on a page.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 20:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #021, 24 Oct 2018

Portals have passed the 4,000 mark.

More new portals...

Here's a list of portals created since the last issue

Please inspect these portals, report problems or suggest improvements at WT:WPPORTD, or develop them further (see below). Thank you.

What's next?

There is still lots to do...

There are many subject gaps that need to be filled. This can be done by creating new portals, or by adding Selected article sections to existing portals. To create a new portal, simply place {{subst:Basic portal start page}} on an empty portal page, and click "Preview". If the portal is complete, click "Save". After you try it, come share your experience and excitement at WT:WPPORTD.

Each new portal is just a starting point. Each portal of the new design can be further developed by:

• refining the search parameters to improve the results displayed in the Did you know and In the news sections.
• adding more specific Selected articles sections, like Selected biographies.
• inserting a Recognized content section.
• adding more pictures to the image slideshow.
• placing a panoramic picture at the top of the intro section (especially for geographic portals).

Besides the new portals, there are still about 1200 portals of the old design that need to be converted to the new design.

Many portals need to be de-orphaned, by placing links to them (in the See also section of the corresponding root articles, at the bottom of the corresponding navigation footer templates, and on the corresponding category pages).

Many of the new portals still need to be listed at Portal:Contents/Portals.

Bugs keep popping up in portals. These need to be tracked down and reported at WT:WPPORTD.

Tools are needed to make developing and maintaining portals quicker and easier.

Dreaming up new features and capabilities. Innovation needs to continue, to design the portal of tomorrow, and the portal development-maintenance-system of the future. Automation!

So, if you find yourself with a little (or a lot) of free time, pick an area (or more) above and...

...dive in!    — The Transhumanist   07:05, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 16 November to 30 November.
• The wikis now have a content security policy report. This means that you might get a warning in your javascript console when you load external resources in your user scripts. For security reasons it is recommended that you don't do this. It might not be possible to load external resources in your scripts in the future. [11]

Problems

• Your watchlist can show which changes you have already seen. This did not work for a few days. It has been fixed. [12]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 October. It will be on all wikis from 1 November (calendar).
• The 2006 wikitext editor is no longer available. It will be removed from Special:Preferences. It has not been the standard editor for a long time. It was replaced by the 2010 wikitext editor. [13][14]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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Editing News #2—2018

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Tap on the pencil icon to start editing. The page will probably open in the wikitext editor.

You will see another pencil icon in the toolbar. Tap on that pencil icon to the switch between visual editing and wikitext editing.

Remember to publish your changes when you're done.

You can read and help translate the user guide, which has more information about how to use the visual editor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has wrapped up most of their work on the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual diff tool. The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices. Their work board is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

Recent changes

• The Editing team has published an initial report about mobile editing.
• The Editing team has begun a design study of visual editing on the mobile website. New editors have trouble doing basic tasks on a smartphone, such as adding links to Wikipedia articles. You can read the report.
• The Reading team is working on a separate mobile-based contributions project.
• The 2006 wikitext editor is no longer supported. If you used that toolbar, then you will no longer see any toolbar. You may choose another editing tool in your editing preferences, local gadgets, or beta features.
• The Editing team described the history and status of VisualEditor in this recorded public presentation (starting at 29 minutes, 30 seconds).
• The Language team released a new version of Content Translation (CX2) last month, on International Translation Day. It integrates the visual editor to support templates, tables, and images. It also produces better wikitext when the translated article is published. [15]

Let's work together

• The Editing team wants to improve visual editing on the mobile website. Please read their ideas and tell the team what you think would help editors who use the mobile site.
• The Community Wishlist Survey begins next week.
• If you aren't reading this in your preferred language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly. We will notify you when the next issue is ready for translation. Thank you!

— Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

Administrator changes

Sir Sputnik

Kudpung • Liz • Lourdes

Everyking • Jackmcbarn

Interface administrator changes

Dinoguy1000

CheckUser changes

AGK • Ivanvector • Stwalkerster • TonyBallioni

Oversight changes

Amorymeltzer • Oshwah • TonyBallioni • Vanamonde93

Keilana

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment determined that non-administrators will not be able to request interface admin access.
• A request for comment is in progress to determine whether the Mediation Committee should be closed and marked as historical.
• A village pump discussion has been ongoing about whether the proposed deletion policy (PROD) should be clarified or amended.
• A request for comment is in progress to determine whether pending changes protection should be applied automatically to today's featured article (TFA) in order to mitigate a recent trend of severe image vandalism.

Technical news

• Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
• A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
• The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.

Arbitration

• Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
• The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-enwikimedia.org. Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Adoption

Hello,

I am a relatively new user that is looking to be adopted as part of the adopt a user program. My interests include Judaism, Computer Science, and history (particularly American and Jewish).

Thank you for taking the time to consider this. Alternate Side Parking (talk) 00:16, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Alternate Side Parking and thanks very much for taking the initiative of contacting me, and well done for getting all 15 of your The Wikipedia Adventure badges. I'm not confident that your interests and mine tally up sufficiently closely for me to be able to help and guide you in a formal adoption process. In particular, I know nothing of religion, about which you seem to edit a lot. I would also have preferred that you had 'come clean' right from the start and explained your previous J.A.R.N.Y. account and 6-month block (and subsequent unblock) and what appears now to be a genuine attempt to make up for past poor behaviour. So well done for the latter. If you are going for a WP:CLEANSTART, you might like me to add {{retired}} to it on your behalf. If, rather than just a clean start, you've simply just lost the password, as you've stated elsewhere, using your A.S.P. account you ought to edit the old J.A.R.N.Y. and clearly declare the linkage between accounts, and why you've retired it. Obviously, you must never use multiple accounts, so that one must not be used again. Ever. (I think I'm giving you the right advice here, but I am going to ping @Vsmith: who unblocked you in April so as to be certain.)

That all said, and despite thinking formal adoption isn't quite right between us, I'd still be happy to offer any help and guidance you need - either here, on your talk page, or over at the Teahouse where I tend to lurk quite a bit. My approach to adoption (and I'm new to this myself) is to support a new(ish) editor in an ad hoc way, rather than in a structured step-by-step manner as some adopters have done in the past. So even if we don't go down that route, perhaps I could invite you to list a few of the areas you have been struggling with and would like assistance over, and at the very least I'll try and help and perhaps get a sense of what support you need. Looking at your contributions since you began editing under this new account name last month, I could make the following suggestions for you:

• You could lose a few of your userboxes to help other editors get a better sense of you, as a few do seem rather irrelevant - but fun though!! (I am guessing that one of them is actually revealing your true age - if so, you might wish not to reveal your birth date in such a sobering way.)
• With this edit you seem to have copy/pasted an entire paragraph as a 'quote' within the reference. This isn't necessary. Indeed, it's a breach of copyright so do please remove that. The citation and link lead users to the article where they can check the source for themselves. I know absolutely nothing about religious topics, nor have little interest in them, but the source seemed adequate to support the statement (even if I didn't understand many of the terms used within it). I see you've also done it here too] which, again, is unnecessary if it's to an online article. I would like you to understand that using quotes in this way is not only unnecessary, but also against our policy explained at WP:COPYVIO.
• Whilst it's great to send welcome messages to other new users, there's no need to send them to editors who, thus far, have never edited. You seem to have done that a quite few times, and as so many accounts get created that never ever edit, this is a waste of your efforts.

You do seem to have done a lot of things right since editing under this new account name, so keep it up. Like I said, give me a shout on my talk page, or wherever, if you need any input or guidance, and I'll support you as best as I'm able. But bear in mind this. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Need assistance

• Hi Nick, Thanks for your help on Tea House. I thought you would help me more to teach to counter vandalism. So, could you please teach me well about Rollback, Patrolling New Pages and Pending changes reviewing. I checked in Counter Vandalism Unit and didn't find anyone who can teach there. TheRedBox (talk) 06:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheRedBox:. Once again, "goodness", you are enthusiastic to learn - and that's no bad thing. But there's no shortcut to learning what to do, or reading through all the guidance and help pages yourself, watching and learning as you go along. You are still a very new user, so dont try and learn or do everything in one go. New Page Patrolling needs a lot of experience across all our general policies - and its only something I got involved with some years after starting here. Similarly Rollback and Pending Changes are also for the more experienced users. In the case of rollback, you simply have the ability to revert more than one edit at a time in a series of edits that the user has made. I honestly don't think I can single-handedly teach you what all our guidance and Project pages ought to be teaching you if you were only to sit down and work slowly through our documentation one step at a time. So pick just one topic, work through the guidance and come back with specific questions if you're confused. (You might find that I am, too!). Something you couid consider doing is creating a new user sub-page which you might, for example, call "Learning". Or you could use this on your main user page subdividing it rather as I've done on mine. Divide it up into different sections on different areas of Wikipedia that you are unclear on, and compile a list of links to key help pages, a list of questions for things you don't understand, and so on. By collating that you'll be building up a picture of the things you do and you don't understand, and making your own personal help page. By the way: I presume you're okay on actually searching for Wikipedia help pages using their shortcuts? If not, let me know and I'll talk you through that. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I want to thankyou heartly Cause of your help, i think i am going good while countering vandalism.  TheRedBox (Talk) 09:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

@TheRedBox: Thanks. That's really great to hear, so thanks for your efforts here. I'm a bit busy in 'real life' right now, but I'll pop by and check out your contributions in the next few weeks and let you know if I see any any problems in the way you're working that you might need to address. All the very best, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Re Teahouse query "What can I do to make this page more neutral?"

Hi Nick! You have given some excellent advice to the OP of the query above, but in your point 1., I think you've written "biased" where you mean "unbiased". A minor nitpick as your intended meaning is fairly obvious, but as an ex-professional editor and proofreader I tend to notice such things!

I would have considered inserting an amending note myself, but as a (determinedly) IP Editor the current page protection wouldn't have permitted me (a curse on this pestilential Toronto Troll), and it would probably be neater if you made a less obtrusive edit of your own text.

Regards, {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.218.14.42 (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much - I will check and correct it asap. I agree with you in this instance about correcting others. More than just fixing a silly typo, obviously. Much appreciated. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:01, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Nick! After seeing your comment to this edit at my watchlist, I looked at the section ...and found another possible typo: double blind vs. double bind. I'm not that good in English to be sure it actually is a typo and not a kind of a word play, so I'm not going to change it myself. Could you, please, check it, too? --CiaPan (talk) 14:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@CiaPan: I'm not doing too well at the moment, am I? Thanks for alerting me to this one. Weirdly, I've never heard of 'double bind', and read it (wrongly!) as 'double blind', as in the scientific testing method. So it was lucky I copy pasted the section link. Guess that's telling me either to be more careful, or not to edit Wikipedia at 2 in the morning. Either way, thank you. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:18, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update #022, 11 Nov 2018

Welcome AmericanAir88

Give a hearty welcome to AmericanAir88, who has adopted working on portals as one of his main purposes on Wikipedia. So far, he has created the following portals:

• Portal:Blueberries
• Portal:Olives
• Portal:Bananas
• Portal:Bone fractures
• Portal:Carbohydrates
• Portal:Cherries
• Portal:Coconuts
• Portal:Hartford Whalers
• Portal:Integumentary system
• Portal:Exercise
• Portal:Fatty acids

Way to go!

Where's Evad?

Evad disappeared from Wikipedia on October 18.

He has been, and will continue to be, sorely missed.

Hopefully, he is okay, on a Caribbean cruise or something.

The conversion continues

Portals of the old design, are slowly but surely being converted to the new single-page design.

One factor that has slowed things down is that for many sections, the section header call and section contents call are integrated into a template and buried in a lua module, locking them in on each portal. They have been that way for years.

This means that these sections can't be directly edited like the other sections on the same portal. So, search/replaces affect all the sections except those. So, upgrading headers on these portals, for example, misses the integrated sections and inadvertently results in 2 different header colors.

Before we can continue with the upgrade of these portals, the headers and section contents calls need to be restored to each portal, so that those can be edited in concert with the other sections on the portal, and worked on independently of each other.

This is underway, with a solution implemented on about 1/4 of the affected portals so far. Around 300 of them. The remaining 900 should be done within a couple weeks or so.

Going wide...

We now have banner-shaped pictures included in the introduction sections of 180 portals. The rarity of such pictures has made it difficult to find suitably narrow images for display across the tops of portals.

We have a solution for this, courtesy of FR30799386...

Most pictures are not banner-shaped. But, you can still use them as banners. Here's how:

{{Portal image banner|File:Blueberries .jpg |maxheight=120px |overflow=Hidden }}

Using both maxheight=120px and overflow=Hidden produces this:

Project's status

There are now 4,140 portals, with more being created almost daily. Prior to this project's reboot, portals were created at about the rate of 80 per year. Since April of this year, we've created about 2,600 new portals, or 32.5 years' worth at the old rate.

Of those new portals, about 3/4 of them need links leading to them. Almost all of them are linked to from the category system, but they still need links in article see also sections, at the bottom of navigation templates, and on the main portals list at Portal:Contents/Portals.

Of the 1500 portals created before the reboot, about 300 have been completely converted to the new design so far. About 1100 more have been partially converted, with intros, image slideshows, and associated wikimedia sections getting the most attention.

Discussion has resumed on the portal guidelines.

Until next issue...

See ya round the portal system!    — The Transhumanist   11:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the warning

Hello Nick, I am really sorry for the warning actually I was very angry at that moment and I thought that the editor was not assuming good faith. I also apologised in his talk page. It would not happen again.Denim11 (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out, Denim11. Don't worry - we all make mistakes (and I've also had to apologise for drawing the wrong conclusions before now). Key thing is learn from those errors, and you're clearly doing that. That shows you have makings of a really valuable Wikipedian. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:45, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Nick.Denim11 (talk) 15:56, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		Nick, many thanks for pointing my mistake and helping me out.

Denim11 (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Nick Moyes,

Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW

• Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.

If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.

We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.

With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)}18:37, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment table update

Hi Nick, I had a question about our WikiProject L&O assessment table. We have been tagging more articles with our WikiProject banner but the assessment table doesn't seem to be updating with the additional articles (at least for about the last 2 weeks). Do you know how we can get this updated? Thanks Jayzlimno (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry

Hi there I am sorry for what i have wrote, it was misunderstanding. I am so ashamed that i wrote bad things about wikipedia but i say sorry for all wikipedian community and thanks for what you wrote 😭😩 --MeKLT (talk) 11:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)