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Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Nassar to Nassar (actor) in article Baahubali: The Beginning and Si3? Thank you! —-178.71.166.180 (talk) 15:15, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 15:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Sameer to Sameer (lyricist) in article Hariharan discography and Kumar Sanu discography and filmography? Thank you! —-78.36.86.146 (talk) 19:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Narky Blert (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Rangeela to Rangeela (film) in article Urmila Matondkar? Thank you! —-89.110.9.186 (talk) 12:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 12:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Abhijeet to Abhijeet Bhattacharya in article Kumar Sanu discography and filmography and from Govinda to Govinda (actor) in Urmila Matondkar, Katrina Kaif and Aishwarya Rai? Thank you! —-92.100.209.182 (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 18:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Puli to Puli (2015 film) In article List of awards and nominations received by Vijay? Thank you! —-212.48.202.123 (talk) 10:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 10:56, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Govinda to Govinda (actor) in article Kaun Banega Crorepati, The Kapil Sharma Show and 2010 in film? Thank you! —-91.122.27.104 (talk) 07:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Lajja (film) to Lajja (2001 film) in article Anu Malik? Thank you! ——217.66.157.234 (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 13:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Category:Films based on actual events to Category:Indian films based on actual events in Dangal (film)? Thank you! —-217.66.157.234 (talk) 14:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Coolie to Coolie (1983 Hindi film) in Amitabh Bachchan? Thank you! ——217.66.152.120 (talk) 11:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from So I Married an Anti-fan to So I Married an Anti-fan (film) in article Park Chan-yeol? Thank you! —-217.66.156.65 (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 12:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking item number in article Sholay and adding category:Films featuring an item number? Thank you! —-217.66.156.110 (talk) 16:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Films featuring an item number in article Winner (2017 film) and remove category:Multilingual films in 2.0 (film)? Thank you! ——217.66.156.110 (talk) 15:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2 Narky Blert (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Category:Indian multilingual films in Baahubali: The Beginning and Baahubali 2: The Conclusion? Thank you! —-217.66.156.110 (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. They were both in Category:Multilingual films, so I made that more precise. Narky Blert (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Kaviraj to Kaviraj (lyricist) in List of Majaa Talkies episodes? Thank you! —-217.66.156.110 (talk) 12:30, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I also added a hatnote to Kaviraj, pointing to Kaviraj (lyricist).
Why don't you create a named account? Once you're WP:AUTOCONFIRMed, you'll be able to make edits like these yourself. You've been finding some very hard-to-spot errors, and that is really valuable work. Narky Blert (talk) 12:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Bindaas to Bindass in article Rithvik Dhanjani? Thank you! —-217.66.157.136 (talk) 09:27, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 09:32, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Bandish to Bandish (film) in article Danny Denzongpa and Rajesh Khanna? Thank you! --178.71.214.235 (talk) 16:59, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you make linking from Chakravyuh to Chakravyuh (2012 film) in article Arjun Rampal and Esha Gupta? Thank you! --217.66.158.235 (talk) 08:09, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. I'm always happy to help, but IMO you really should create your own named account to make good edits like these. Narky Blert (talk) 08:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Cyanide to Cyanide (company) in articles List of PlayStation Portable games and List of PlayStation 3 games released on disc? Thank you! —-178.66.113.170 (talk) 12:05, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 12:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add category:oregnancy films and category:Films about revenge and category:Twins in Indian films in article Mersal (film)? Thank you! —-95.55.104.214 (talk) 17:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 19:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Indian crime action films in Raees (film)? Thank you! —-92.100.194.222 (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Upcoming films and Category:2010s Upcoming Tamil-language films and Catehory:Indian sports films in Thalapathy 63? Thank you!--178.71.212.192 (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x3. Narky Blert (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Govinda to Govinda (actor) in Sanjay Dutt and Adnan Sami? Thank you! -—178.71.212.192 (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Nitin to Nithiin in Kajal Aggarwal? Thank you! ——92.100.211.117 (talk) 11:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 19:55, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Kick to Kick (2014 film) in Mayur Puri. Thank you! —-178.71.173.71 (talk) 21:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Vivek to Vivek (actor) in List of Tamil films of 2019? Thank you! ——178.71.167.234 (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 07:28, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking The Hook Up Song in article Student of the Year 2 and Alia Bhatt? Thank you! --92.100.211.154 (talk) 10:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking item number in Pooja Hegde and unlinking speacial appearance in Aishwarya Rai? Thank you! --92.100.211.154 (talk) 10:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2. Narky Blert (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Unnikrishnan to P. Unnikrishnan in article Airtel Super Singer 5, Airtel Super Singer 4, Airtel Super Singer 3 and Airtel Super Singer 1? Thank you! --92.100.165.233 (talk) 08:31, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x4. Narky Blert (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Sameer to Sameer (lyricist) in article PM Narednra Modi, Kumar Sanu discography and filmography? Thank you! —-178.66.126.174 (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done x2 (including PM Narendra Modi). Narky Blert (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Unnnikrishnan to P. Unnikrishnan In Jaya Super Singer South India and from Vivek to Vivek (actor) in Bigil and unlinking Vivek in List of Malayalam films of 2019? Thank you! —-178.66.126.174 (talk) 11:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Arya to Arya (actor) in article The Great Father? Thank you! --178.71.166.239 (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:43, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky! Can you add from Category:Crime action films to Category:Indian crime action films in Raees? Thank you! --178.71.166.239 (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:45, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you Add from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films in Game of Death (2010 film)? Thank you!

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 16:47, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking Payal Dev in Race 3? Thank you! —-178.66.116.246 (talk) 13:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 17:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you add Category:Films shot in Tamil Nadu and Category:Films shot in Switzerland, linking Priyadarshini (singer) in Veeram (2014 film)? Thank you! --178.66.102.166 (talk) 15:19, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Mukesh to Mukesh (actor) in articles List of Malayalam films of 1982, List of Malayalam films of 1990 and from Lal to Lal (actor) in List of Malayalam films of 2002, List of Malayalam films of 2001, List of Malayalam films of 2000 and from Bhavana to Bhavana (actress) in Twenty:20 (film)? Thank you! --78.37.238.96 (talk) 18:49, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Purnima to Poornima (singer) in articles T-Series (company) and Kumar Sanu discography and filmography? Thank you! --178.71.168.6 (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguator's Barnstar

The Disambiguator's Barnstar
The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators.
I forget if I gave you one of these already, but here, have (another?) one because either way you deserve it. Nessie (talk) 17:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Narky Blert (talk) 17:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Protocole/Help!/You Rock

I'm positive I'm not doing this correctly - leaving a message for you, so please forgive me for not fully understanding how to leave a message. You contributed/improved an article I wrote about a figure in Hollywood that I am a inspired by named Jeff Beacher. I did a ton of research about him and found very reliable sources and articles about everything I posted. I was very encouraged by the amount of support - and by the quality of editors here that were helping to improve the article - and was proud to have it on the platform. Well, I went to share it with a friend last night and saw it had been deleted. I am abosolutely dumbfounded as to why it was deleted, so I'm reaching out to a few of the people who had supported it, including you. Again, so sorry if I did this message to you the wrong way, but I would be grateful to hear back from you. Thank you again for being so cool and supportive of my article on Jeff Beacher. You rock! DarthBuffet (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DarthBuffet: You just posted a message/cry for help to another editor in a very proper manner.
I'm not an admin, so don't have the ability to see the content of deleted articles. What I can see is:
10:10, 6 March 2019 Anthony Appleyard (talk | contribs) deleted page Jeff Beacher (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)
Those reliable sources may not have been as good as you thought! (Read WP:RS.) Or, you may have been overly promotional, rather than neutral.
There is a way of asking for a page back so that you can work on it (WP:REFUND) – but, it can't be used in a WP:G11 case like this. If you've got your draft article saved: no problem, you can work from that. If you haven't: post on the talk page of the admin who deleted it (see above), and ask for a copy. (I'm basically repeating what's on your Talk Page, at User talk:DarthBuffet#Speedy deletion nomination of Jeff Beacher.) Feel free to link to your request here and to my advice: the link is User talk:Narky Blert#Protocole/Help!/You Rock. In either case, work on the article in your sandbox. Once you're happy with it, go through the 'Submit your draft for review!' rigmarole. An experienced editor will review it (OK perhaps not tomorrow, there's always a backlog), and either accept it or suggest what you need to do to improve it.
Every experienced editor was a newbie once. Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Narky Blert: You are awesome! And thank you for the kind words and encouragement. I'm going to be able to spend more time on this tomorrow (and yes, I did save all of my work off-line); and will take a deeper read of your response and follow your lead. I did get word from the editor who deleted the article and he was really cool and is offering to help me too. Appreciate y'all! Back soon... DarthBuffet (talk) 22:52, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DarthBuffet: There's a major guideline you might be interested in skimming through: WP:DONTBITE. Narky Blert (talk) 23:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Narky Blert: Again, thank you for your time and support. I just purused that article. It doesn't feel like I was getting attacked per se, just that they felt the article wasn't written in a wiki-tone. I'm going to reach back to the editor who I thought had deleted it and try and work with them to get it back up. This guy Jeff Beacher is really inspiring to me and I found tons of content about him on-line that appears solid, and I avoided using any references from gossip rags about him. Really appreciate your kindnes! DarthBuffet (talk) 18:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DarthBuffet: As a general tip - use adjectives sparingly, and preferably only factually. I seem forever to be reading articles which begin "John Doe is a notable/famous/inspirational/legendary whatever". Those adjectives don't make him so, they annoy me, and I'm already getting to dislike John Doe. Let the facts speak for themselves.
As an extreme example, I've written articles about three people who IMO died heroic deaths: a mountain rescuer, and a policeman and a priest murdered by the Nazis. The fact that all three have had streets named after them says something. None of those articles uses the word 'hero' outside direct quotes. That was what I wanted readers to think, but I didn't want to tell them how to think. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 19:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Narky Blert: This is EXTREMELY HELPFUL! Truly, it's hard to find this kind of straight-forward plain-speak information about Wiki on Google/Youtube. I wish you would write a book about wiki with this kinda of straight talk!! So, on the 19th, the deleting editor, Anthony Appleyard, restored my article about Jeff Beacher. I just left him a nice note. I really appreciate your time, you and a few other editors here have made me feel like I matter and have encouraged me to dig deeper to get better at this. Appreciate you!DarthBuffet (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Musical settings of poems by Aldous Huxley has been nominated for discussion

Category:Musical settings of poems by Aldous Huxley, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Legacypac (talk) 16:53, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

new editor questions

The Maven Car Sharing Wikipedia article looks a little out of date. Can you help me update it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maven_(car_sharingThe ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DietDrPepper123 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DietDrPepper123: Sorry, I'm rather busy, and I know nothing about the subject.
Improving an existing article is a really good way of learning how to edit. Make sure you add sources for new information. The {{cite}} complex takes some getting used to, but you can get the job done in a simple way by using <ref>[url title]</ref>. (That's much better than <nowiki[url title]</nowiki>, which puts a bluelink in the main text. Linkrot is always a problem, and bad links in main text are difficult to spot.)
Don't forget to add a short edit summary. That way, anyone watching a page can easily understand what it was you did.
You could have linked to that article more simply as Maven (car sharing) - there's no need for the full url when linking to another Wikipedia article (and in fact, it's a bad idea). If you're linking to an article with a qualifier (like that one), it's usually best to pipe it, like this: [[Maven (car sharing)|Maven]], which displays as Maven.
Don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:03, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PS. The most common citation template is {{cite web}}, which in a simple form looks like this: {{cite web |url= |title= |last= |first= |date= |website= |accessdate=}}. You only need the |last= and |first= parameters if the citation has a named author, and |date= if it's dated. That's a better method than the one I described above. Narky Blert (talk) 08:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources needed for Days of the Year pages

You're probably not aware of this change, but Days of the Year pages are no longer exempt from WP:V and direct sources are required for additions. For details see the WikiProject Days of the Year style guide. Thanks for following up with a source on September 28. Toddst1 (talk) 14:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddst1: Understood. I wouldn't add an entry to a day or year page without a WP:RS source anyway. (The year of birth let alone the date seems often to be in doubt with the sort of people I find myself writing up.)
I did think that source was a particularly impeccable one... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 14:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sono d'accordo con te. :) Toddst1 (talk) 14:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bones

I would note that there was a RM on the talk page in 2013 and it doesn't seem like much has changed so I have made a request at WP:RMT to move it back. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Crouch, Swale: I found the page as a WP:MALPLACED error: Bones -> Bones (disambiguation). The edit I made was part of a technical WP:ROUNDROBIN move. Narky Blert (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I understand that that's because someone pointed the redirect to the DAB, I have no strong opinion either way, just that the PT shouldn't be changed without discussion. A new RM should be held if there is a desire to have no PT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Crouch, Swale: I have no strong feelings on whether Bones should be a DAB page, or a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Bone (with the hatnote from there to Bones (disambiguation) which works either way). If you open a discussion on that topic, {{ping}} me and I'll put some thought into it. Narky Blert (talk) 18:17, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't planning on opening a discussion on that but I suspect that that might happen, if the MALPLACED issue happens again I'll revert it and suggest to the user to start a discussion (and I'll ping you if they do start one) thanks. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding alternate names

Hi Narky Blert, I see that you have recently re-bolded the common names within the text of the article for the sponge Porites porites. While bolding alternate names equivalent to the article title is usually the recommended practice, in this case both of the common names (hump coral and finger coral) are not uniquely synonymous to the article title, but are instead dab pages that also used by several other species. As this applies to many other pages as well, should an alternate name be bolded when that name is shared among different species and the term does not re-direct to the current article? 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 12:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Loopy30: The MOS is sniffy about bolding things like ambiguous common names (see MOS:BOLDLEAD), but doesn't prohibit it. I think it can help reassure readers that they're in the right place. Three examples off the top of my head: Common blackbird, European robin and Northern wheatear, always called by the noun alone in UK. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, other examples certainly exist and many birds here too are also always called by their noun alone (American robin, European starling and Common grackle), even by most birdwatchers. But while this may be the most common usage regionally, it is not correct in a global context and is ambiguous to our world-wide English speaking readers. However, as the MOS does not prohibit its use outright, then it is clearly no biggie for articles to vary in this way. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to get "sniffy" over it (love that word by the way). All the best, Loopy30 (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Loopy30: I found P. porites because an editor had made an ambiguous link to finger coral. Fortunately, only one of those corals occurs in the Caribbean.
FYI, wikt:sniffy, meaning #1. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Hi,

I kindly ask your help, I recently realized the existence of two identical disambiguation pages (Habsburg Hungary and Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary).

Since the first one is well-set, please

a, delete Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary

b, redirect Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary -> Habsburg Hungary.

Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]

@KIENGIR: It was even worse - Habsburg Kingdom of Hungary was a one-entry DAB page. I've retargetted it, and everything that linked to it, to the DAB page Habsburg Hungary. I didn't delete anything, because (a) it's always best to preserve the page history, and (b) I'm not an admin, so I couldn't. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 17:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, does it make sense that because of my edit it became a one entry (two was before my edit), and maybe my removal of the other one was too sudden? Still I consider not the most appropriat the period 1867-1918 to refer Hungary as Habsburg Hungary, but I may undertstand because of the King of the Habsburg House, indeed...in case if I self-revert my former removal of the another entry, will you be able to delete the page? (since the removed content of mine is already part of the currently redirected one?) Thank You, Yours.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:39, 29 April 2019 (UTC))[reply]
@KIENGIR: I like the position as it now is. DAB pages and article titles should help readers find what they're looking for, and I think this DAB page and these titles do. You and I may know the difference between the Holy Roman Empire, the Austrian Empire and the k.u.k. Reich, but most English-speaking readers won't. It's our job to make it easy for them to learn about it. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move 'Red Gum' to 'Red gum'

I have requested at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests that the disambiguation page Red Gum be moved to Red gum, as most of the pages disambiguated are not proper names requiring Upper Case. I assume this is uncontroversial, but if you object for any reason, you can move the request to the 'Controversial requests' section. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 09:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cnilep: I agree with your proposal at WP:RMT. Get back to me if anyone objects. Narky Blert (talk) 09:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Cnilep: I've followed through on the now-completed move by adding two {{R from}} tags to Red Gum. Narky Blert (talk) 06:07, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Cnilep (talk) 06:10, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Advice When Creating a Wikipedia Page

Hello Narky Blert,

I wanted to know if you can advise on how to begin creating a successful Wikipedia page. Thank you in advance!

LaWr123 (talk)

@LaWr123: For an overview, and some high-minded principles, read Wikipedia:Five pillars.
A topic which that page hints at but does not spell out, which is absolutely key: the concept of Wikipedia:Notability (see in particular WP:GNG). If you want your article to stay up, you simply must get over that hurdle. That means: support the article with independent in-depth sources (see WP:RS). Things like these don't count towards notability: FaceBook, Instagram, YouTube, blogs, passing mentions, promotional interviews, press releases, and so on. Those can be used to support statements of fact, but not to assert notability. On the other hand, if you find an article by a music journalist in a national publication which says, "I would rather gouge my own eyes out with spoons than listen to another second of this band's music", that's as strong for notability purposes as one which says, "This band is the new Beatles".
(If you imagine that I've never had an article deleted at WP:AFD for failing to demonstrate notability, you're wrong.)
Draft your first few articles in your sandbox, and go through the WP:AFC routine. The editors who review articles there are trying to help, not to drive new editors away. Listen to what they might have to say.
OK, so now you've asserted notability, here are some optional but recommended extras:
  1. Format your references nicely. That makes your article look better, impresses experienced editors, and gives some protection against WP:LINKROT. There's no guarantee that a good link today will still exist in five years time, or even tomorrow. The best general way to format an online reference is through {{cite web}}. (You can ignore many of the optional fields; the key ones are |url= and |title=. Nevertheless, fill in as many as you can.)
  2. Add bluelinks from your article to other, relevant, articles which readers might reasonably want to visit from it. (I think we all know what a tree, or a town, or water is, but I've seen all those linked.) If you're writing at article about someone from Hicksville, by all means link to the place – but don't link to Arkansas or U.S.A., no-one is ever going to click on those links.
  3. Add categories to your article. If you're not sure of what ones to add, look at a comparable article or two for ideas. Categories are a useful search tool.
  4. I assume that you want as many people as possible to read your article? Make it easy for them to find it, by linking to it from other, existing, articles. (1) Think up where it could be linked from (e.g. a new section 'Notable people' in that Hicksville article). (2) Use the searchbox to find articles which mention the title of your article but don't link to it (because it didn't yet exist). If the searchbox drops you into an existing but irrelevant article, search for e.g. 'fizbuz .' rather than 'fizbuz'. (I wrote an article last week about a 13yo Italian kid who was awarded the Gold Medal of Military Valour during WWII; a serious decoration, on a par with the Victoria Cross and the Medal of Honor. Without links-in, it might be getting 1 view/day (if that); it's getting 8.)
Write an article or two, and you will likely be invited to visit the WP:TEAHOUSE; another place where experienced editors offer advice to newbies. Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wish

Hello. Help add [1] for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. 27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Narky Blert (talk) 08:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think I should delete the Facebook link.27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing wrong at all with including the FaceBook link among the External links. It isn't a reliable source for notability purposes (neither is IMDb), but it's relevant. Narky Blert (talk) 08:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But I think it's best to keep only one link IMDb. 27.74.247.140 (talk) 08:57, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The FB and IMDb links do different things. They're both valid. Narky Blert (talk) 08:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The IP has been leaving random comments to different users to remove that link. Based on what I have seen Facebook is not a reliable source for Wikipedia per policy [2], so I removed it. Psychologist Guy (talk) 09:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Psychologist Guy: WP:RS doesn't apply to ELs. However, I see that FB is ruled out as EL by WP:LINKSTOAVOID #10. Narky Blert (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore this sock puppet: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Haiyenslna – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95: Ta. Now that you mention it, the name Maureen Wroblewitz does seem to ring a bell. I think I may have been a year or so ago invited by an IP at least once to help improve that page, a request or requests which I ignored because of total lack of interest. (I perform well-defined verifiable small requests from IP editors as a matter of routine. I seem to attract them.)
Anywayz, now I know of that WP:SPI thread... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 21:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good night. I'd like to know why you've made changes to the profile of one of Pat the Dog main characters. Why excessive links? I just put / added information. Why did you consider this as excessive links? I did not understand your attitude.

Blank entries

Do you know why some of the links on the bonus list give blank screens, then continue to show up on the bonus list? Try the three links under "Communism in India".
Vmavanti (talk) 15:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vmavanti: I know that one – it's due to the Communism in Asia template, which is a child of Template:Asia topic. See Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/Archive 14#Template time again. Narky Blert (talk) 15:22, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Litto

Hi! Just wanted to check with you. I've seen your changes and the dab link repairs and the tags are great, but I think the heading simplification doesn't make it better, I think it looks tidier with the headings. Is there a specific policy or a check-mate rationale for that bit? Thanks! Dr. Vogel (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DrVogel: If there's a bright-line rule, it's buried somewhere deep in WP:MOS (and is probably contradicted somewhere else). There is some guidance at MOS:DABORG, but it's mostly about longish DAB pages. I try to follow a commonsense approach: what's the simplest way to help readers find what they're looking for? Sections of up to about six, or even eight, entries are easy to scan by eye (though it's worth separating seriously different things, like e.g. people and places/other uses, because those guide the eye to what you're after). Above that, and it's worth considering a split into sections. (Surnames are a common example. If there are only a few names, it's easy to find the person you want. If there are ten or more, it's an indigestible mass and you end up having to read every single entry in detail to find the one you're after.)
A flipside to that: it should also be easy to discover that the page you thought you were looking for isn't on the DAB page!
Readers who are searching by a name may not know if it's a given name, a surname, or a nickname. If they knew the full name, they wouldn't be reading the DAB page, they'd have gone straight to the article.
Some guidance on tags on the {{dab}} bit. Add |surname if there's even one person with that surname on the page. Add |geo if there are two places the important bit of whose name is the page title (the two places in Litto are a good example). Add |hndis if there are two people known primarily by a mononym. Don't add |given name unless there are several of them – any fool can dream up a novel given name, and many of them do.
If you do split a DAB page into sections and the table of contents appears, add {{TOC right}} just after the lead. Most readers looking at a DAB page will have at least a rough idea of what they're looking for, and the TOC gets in the way: you have to start with a scroll down before getting to the interesting bit.
Litto is a thoroughly good DAB page which needed writing. You've filled a gap. Do you know the intitle: search command, and the corresponding tag {{intitle}} for the see-also section? They're good ways of finding stragglers. Did you add the InterWiki link to de:Litto? because if you did, you did very well.
Get back to me any time. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Japan Academy Prize

A possible mistake here. The biochemist Tamio Yamakawa is on the DAB bonus list for winning the Japan Academy Prize for 1976. But on that list of winners for 1976 is biochemist Takashi Sugimura.
Vmavanti (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vmavanti: Gud catch!
The list in Japan Academy Prize (academics) is very incomplete. The 1976 entry in ja:日本学士院賞 is, according to Google Translate:
    Sugimura Takashi (Ph.D.)-"Experimental research on the development of gastric cancer"
    Haruyuki Kaneko (Dr. of Literature)-"The Anthropology of Luther"
    Shigeo Shibata (Dr. of Literature)-"Study on historical thought of sectarian sect
    Kenji Seki (Ph.D.)-"Structural Thermodynamics of Solids"
    Sato Mikio (Ph.D.)-"Theory of Superfunctions and Its Applications"
    Tokio Yamamoto (Ph.D. Phys.)-"Genetic and Developmental Physiological Research on Sex Differentiation of Fish"
    Hashiguchi Takakichi (Dr. Eng.)-"Study of Metallic Materials by Internal Friction"
    Tamura Saburo (Agriculture Doctor)-"Chemical research on physiologically active substances"
    Yamakawa Tamio (Med. Doctor)-"Biochemical research on glycolipids"
and there they both are, and some others.
The state of the citations in both the English and the Japanese articles is appalling. However, Yamakawa's prize is mentioned in his obit (ref. 2 in his article, a top-rate WP:RS). It all looks legit, and I have both fixed the DABlink in Tamio Yamakawa and added him to Japan Academy Prize (academics).
I also took the opportunity to add {{cleanup section|date=May 2019|reason=dates in reverse chronological order, contrary to [[WP:DATELIST]].}} to the Prize article. That's one of my pieces of boilerplate text; it's astonishing how many editors seem to think that the best way to present history is with the newest stuff first. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An old adversary is on its bike

Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_April_16#Module:Cycling_race has closed as delete. Certes (talk) 23:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Certes: I can't say that I'll miss that collection.
Closer may have reasoned that (1) both the template and the keep arguments are unintelligible, and (2) what's wrong with wikitable anyway?
No-one even mentioned the quality problems with Wikidata; or the assumption that everyone in a cycling race passes WP:NCYCLING.
Advice from an experienced English-speaking cycling pro to a novice: "Learn to swear in several languages. Your teammates will respect you for your efforts to communicate". Narky Blert (talk) 08:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Firetrap

I found a couple sources for "firetrap". One here which also uses the term "fire sack" and "anti-tank area". "These were ambush sites on routes that armour might follow if it broke through and continued into a rear area." A second source states on p. 68: "A fire trap is a location preselected by friendlies as an opportune defensive position. Selection is based on being able to draw the enemy into the trap and then extractive a heavy toll from him." Sounds like an ambush. But I would like to find a better explanation.—Vmavanti (talk) 01:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Vmavanti: There's a hole in WP. Kill zone is a related topic, but written entirely from a modern perspective
The idea of a defensive area which it is death to enter goes back to at least the Ancient Romans. They sometimes defended their forts with what is called a Punic ditch (no article; and despite the name, almost certainly nothing to do with Carthage). That was a ditch with an outer wall which was too steep to climb back up, a shallower inner wall which exposed the attackers to the defenders' fire, and possibly a narrow ankle-breaker ditch at the bottom. With gunpowder came the idea of interlocking fields of fire; see e.g. the C17 star-shaped forts of Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban#Defensive doctrines; fortifications, and the early C19 Lines of Torres Vedras; that type of idea continues. The aim is to discourage attackers from attacking.
A related but arguably distinct topic is the massacre zone, where the attackers don't foresee the danger. It can be intentional (in which case it is often an ambush or an envelopment, both of which could include luring an attacker into a prepared lethal position) or accidental. There are many examples of the former, including the battles of Teutoburg Forest and Cannae and the Falaise Pocket. The latter type can explain the wholly disproportionate casualties in pre-gunpowder battles such as Towton and Agincourt, which I surmise were the results of crushes.
A typical case of knowing enough about the subject to see the problem, but not enough to write the article... Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 07:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Vmavanti: I've posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Firetrap, and related topics. Narky Blert (talk) 19:18, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You have an encyclopedic memory.
Vmavanti (talk) 19:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for help

I wanted to express my great gratitude to you for your repaired the page at 15:28, 11 June 2019‎. Please repair it again after my edits. -- Khurshed.yusufbekov (talk) 02:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tndis?

I thought there actually was a {{tndis}}, as implied in your edit note. I seem to remember one. So, do you just add the category and there is no dab template at all? (I’ve been away from editing for a while. Some things have clearly changed!) — Gorthian (talk) 03:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, never mind, I found your explanation Thanks! — Gorthian (talk) 04:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation pages without "(disambiguation)" identifier

Hi Narky Blert, I noticed that you recently changed the redirect hatnote link from Cognizance to Cognizance (disambiguation) at the Cognizant article in Special:Diff/902817811. In this case, since Cognizance (disambiguation) redirects back to Cognizance, is it still preferred to use "(disambiguation)" in the link? — Newslinger talk 20:05, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just why

Just why you put the disambig tag on this article? I know you are a master on this kind of stuff.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 12:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Central Executive Committee is a DAB page, and none of the entries on it relate to Indonesia. I was unsure as to what the CEC was the CEC of; hence the {{dab}} tag. If you know, and can either add its full name or add a parenthetical qualifier to turn the link into a redlink, or can redirect it to an article which mentions it - job done!. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 12:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I put the translation on the term. CEC is a translation on the term I got in the newspaper. Dewan means "council", pimpinan means "leader" (hence the term executuve), and pusat means "central".--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:10, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeromi Mikhael: Good solution, I've removed the dab tag. Narky Blert (talk) 13:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RAj

Thanks so lot are you understand history of rajpasi 

    Very very thanks Adolf bijili (talk) 07:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lazar Paču

Hello, I would like to ask why did you add the tag on Lazar Paču? I see no ongoing discussion or bigger problems on the article, which indeed needs more work. Mm.srb (talk) 07:14, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mm.srb: I did not add a tag; all I did was add a sortkey, and fix an ambiguous link to King Peter (also removing the {{dn}} tag which was next to it). Narky Blert (talk) 07:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, ty. Mm.srb (talk) 08:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lakkos tou Fragkou

Localities.cy (talk) 10:33, 19 July 2019 (UTC)Narky Blert Thanks for your messages, I'm new in Wikipedia so mistakes will happen.[reply]

Thanks for editting for me.

@Localities.cy: You're welcome. We all make mistakes; I've had the embarrassment of finding and correcting ones of my own. Narky Blert (talk) 10:46, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You do such a fantastic work all around, I must congratulate you

By giving a look at your recent contributions I see how you make an incredibke ammount of all sort of fixes, corrections and improvements all over Wikipedia. See you have been focus latelly in fixing DAB isues, but not only, your ammount of technical work and mantainance is so valuable. It is so nice when diferent sort of editors working together archive an excellent result. Content creation editors can be as good and experienced as they can, but it is your work later that makes that content to be in the right place, properly interconected within the universe of content, and to be accessible from where it should be. I must say that I trully admire your passion and dedication to our project here. I know usually this sort of work goes underestimated but I am happy to verify you got plenty of recognition, and if you don´t take me wrong from taking you this coupla of minutes, I would like to highlight your so deserved recognition even more.

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Master of the backstage, doing the technical work necessary to keep the project running smoothly as this wheel, you are an brilliant editors which certainly deserves much recognition. Kindest regards, FkpCascais (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This barnstar is basic, and, as far as I remember, one of the oldest ones, but I see you don´t have it despite having many other much more sofisticated ones. The star is in perpetual motion, so I hope it will look cool, and besides, it´s perfect for you, since your continuos contributions make the project run efficiently and in motion reming of the star.

I wander how haven´t we crossed earlier, this time I noteced you because you fixed some links in a couple of articles I created these last days. One was Josip Takač where you fixed my link just perfectly. But, the other is Zdravko Juričko. Your dmb choice was not a good one. I see where you came with her from, from Yugoslavia national under-23 football team and its options. Yugoslavia U-23 is basically an alternative name for the Olympic team. The U-21 side only got into the story because on one, and only one, occasion, in 1978, the U-21 team replaced the U-23 one.

In my view I think that merging Yugoslavia national under-21 football team and Yugoslavia Olympic football team will be correct, as the U-23 team, just as in most rest of the world, is just a team that competes for qualifiers for the Olympics. At least that is how it was back then. What happened in 1978 when Yugoslavia sent the U-21 team instead of U-23 one, was just an exception, worth mention in the main article, but bot enough reason to put in question if U-23 and Olympic are usually the same.

Then, I guess I see the problem with Zdravko Juričko. It was my mistake of linking the U-23 Yugoslav team. He played for the Yugoslav B national team. The B national team existed in both, monarchist and communist times. Yugoslavia was sort of UK, and forming a consensual national team was mission imposible since the begining. Furthermore, not only there were numerous good players disputing same spot in the squad, but also there was a political interference which insisted all nationalities and regions to be represented in the A national team. This created a mess and the YFA decided to form a B team which will include players deserving to be in the A national team but for various reasons were not. The B national team would usually gather at same time when main team, and would play numerous friendly or exhibition matches, occasionally international tournaments. The main coach of A national team would also use the B team to experiment tactics and avaluate players. The Yugoslav B team, despite not competing officially and not having its games recognised by UEFA or FIFA, still enjoyed high reputation and popularity, especially domestically outside major urban centers, as usually provided a chance for spectators to see more players from the local clubs, opposed to the well known stars established in the main team usually for long periods of time.

There are several publications, some even containing the full information about the games and players the B Yugoslav national team had, I had free access to them some time ago trough colleagues I collaborate with regarding football history, I may see if I can get access again and create an article about Yugoslavia national B football team, but until the I am not sure which link would be the most adequate one for Juričko, however, the U-21 definitelly wouldn´t be the one, as the B team was a senior team by all means. Not sure how familiarised with football you are, I´ll wait for your suggestion definitelly. Kindest regards, and keep up the great work! Whenever you come across some doubts about Balkans or ex-Yugoslavia please feel free to ask me, I will gladly help if I can. FkpCascais (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@FkpCascais: Thank you for the barnstar and the kind words! The more time I spend on WP, the more I discover that there are all sorts of specialists doing work behind the scenes which the general reader doesn't notice.
I had come across DABlink problems to the DAB page Yugoslavia national under-23 football team before. They have often been a puzzle of some sort. I don't remember seeing such a problem with any other country (although of course I may have done). I agree with your suggestion to merge the two pages. What you say makes great sense. If those articles puzzle an experienced DABfixer, they will most certainly puzzle general readers.
I wasn't happy with that fix in Zdravko Juričko. "A regular at the Yugoslav B national team" didn't sound like a junior player. I found no help in hr:Zdravko Juričko (1929.). From what you know about the B team, I suggest changing the link in that article to Yugoslavia national football B team, a redlink.
Is there an article about Yugoslavia B in any of the South Slavic WPs? It's a difficult topic to search without knowing the exact name they played under, in five or six languages and two scripts. The team certainly deserves an article. I've found a parallel: England national football B team, although that was a team for up-and-coming younger players rather than a second team. There's a link in that article to Switzerland national football B team – a very thin article, with no references and no links to other WPs.
It is a measure of Tito's strength of personality that he managed to hold Yugoslavia, an entity cobbled together after the collapse of first the Ottoman and then the Austro-Hungarian Empires, together as one country for ten years after his death. The Balkans (like the Middle East) are a sort of human parallel to tectonic plates in geology, whose collisions result in volcanoes and earthquakes. Yrs, Narky Blert (talk) 08:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Eheh don´t forget there was Yugoslavia before Tito, and it was Serbia who was independent and fought 3 wars in order to get all South Slavs free which were still under Austro-Hungarian or Ottoman rule. People use to forget that and think Yugoslavia emerged right away from nothing, and wasn´t like that, there were tho already independent monarchies (Serbia and Montenegro) fighting for Yugoslavia to become reality. The Serbia that existed in 19th and early 20th centuries still had half of Serbs living outside its borders, and after winning two Balkan wars and a decisive WWI, it finally got the right to expand to the lands Serbs lived in which still belonged to those earlier empires. In a complicated geopolical strategy, it was decided that Serbian army should liberate a bit further and add Croats and Slovenens as well to their nation, in what many western chancellaries saw a an ideal way to create a slightly bigger, but multiethnic state, instead of Serbian one. All Tito did after WWII was to take by force the power which was agreed to be shared with the king. He ignored the king,couple of years later he ignored Stalin as well, and he created this new Yugoslavia which enjoyed prestige because it ended up being the only nation which liberated itself from the Axis by its own resistance, without being Soviet or American troops to do it. Internally, Tito menaged balance mostly by sacrificing Serbs with the excuse of creating more balance, an action at time accepted with the idea that in the end all Serbs would live in this Yugoslavia united with its motherland anyway, however, this ws what triggered all the problems that would rise in the 1990s.
Tito had its good and bad sides, my grandfather after all worked almost directly to him and was his personal escort to many of his trips mostly related to the Non-Aligned Movement he dedicated himself so much. However, its unfair that Tito shadows the previous Yugoslavia, which was Karadjordjevic´s dinasty sacrifice in order to make more people happy then just their own. Yugoslavia after all took all seats at international organisations which were the ones of Serbia. Not like if the country came to existance from nothing.
Regarding the Wiki issues, Slavic wikipedias are not very strong and usually just follow what we do at en.wiki. I´ll try to see what can I gather about Yugoslavia B team and see if an adequate article can be made. But, as you well concluded, it´s definitelly NOT a youth team, but a senior one much like the Swiss and English exemples you brought. FkpCascais (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@FkpCascais: The Balkan WPs can sometimes be very good on local topics (which is what they should be good on, of course). I've added {{ill}} links to all six of them to solve DAB problems in English WP.
There was a lot of pan-Slav enthusiasm in the late 19th Century. A lot of it was very naive: it was assumed that Russia would welcome and treat other Slavs as equals.
I did know that the Yugoslavs threw out the Nazis unassisted, and that Tito refused all offers of Soviet "help" and stopped them from meddling.
I have actually written a Serbia-related article: Milenković family. Reading between the lines, I get the impression that Svetozar made it clear in no uncertain terms to his parishioners that whatever they might think of Jews, either they did it his way or they could expect a very unpleasant experience indeed in the afterlife.
Fun Balkan fact #1. The 1883 Paris Convention is one of the basic treaties relating to industrial property (patents, industrial designs and trademarks). Check the list of original signatories.
Fun Balkan fact #2. In 1920, C. B. Fry, best known as a cricketer, was offered the crown of Albania.
Fun Balkan fact #3. Raguser is a French word for 'betray'; from Ragusa; not because the Ragusans had a reputation for betrayal, but because Napoleon's Marshal Marmont, Duke of Ragusa did. Narky Blert (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Tito did allowed Soviets to enter Belgrade and Vojvodina, but that was not because he needed them against Germans, but because both communist Partisans and monarchist Chetniks basically racing eachother who will liberate most territory, and Tito used Soviets to enter from the east and occupy Belgrade to give him the advantage. Its was such a nasty political move, brilliant on his side. Everyone knew Soviets would back Tito Partisans and have no simpathies towards monarchists. After the war, Tito was part of the Cominform, but soon Stalin felt Tito was having too much influence, and the Tito–Stalin split occured. In name of all people born in Yugoslavia, I can say we were so lucky because of it, because we didn´t had in Yugoslavia none of the restrains Soviet-allies had, and we had a sort of most liberal socialism possible.
You made such a great job with Milenković family. I can just say that other neighbours offered no help because those were such hard times back then. Germans had special hate towards Serbs. I don´t know if you know how Hitler hated specially Serbs, because as a nationalist, he grew up in Austria following vividly the WWI events, and it was not even in his dreams that a mighty Austro-Hungarian empire would be humiliated and defeated by a small Serbia, an event which resulted in destruction of the empire Hitler was born in and was proud of. Hitler made a law that said that for each German soldier killed a 100 Serbian civilians would be massacred, and for each wounded, 50. That is why Chetniks after initialyly becoming the first resistance group, later adopted a more passive atitude, because they didn´t wanted the nation to be slaughtered, while Partisans were more radical and engaged in actions regardless. That would become a major polemic later,because Tito Partisans would use that to accuse monarchists of being collaborationists, a very complicated situation. Anyway, Jews and Serbs were seing their faith being shared under nazi regimes, it was really hard. Tito later came and demonised all other resistance groups, and even made Croatia the major Axis state not to pay any war reparations, and even got territorially expanded, despite being brutal equally, or even mre, than Gemrans themselves, in the will of anhiquilation of Jews, Serbs, and other undesired elements...
Fun fact n1, no wander :)
Fun fact n2, if you see, only Serbia is the nation in the region that only had its own royal families, the others all had foreigners as rulers. Another funny exemple is Independent State of Croatia offer of crown to Prince Aimone, Duke of Aosta. They wanted so badly to have a monarchy they offered themelves to Aimone, who.... refused them... lol
Fun fact n3, Ragusan may mean betrail because of the following. Ragusa became proeminent when during middle ages became an commercial outpost of Serbia. Serbia was known as a major producer of metals, and as such, became known along Portugal as main forgery of coins. Specially during Serbian empire. This forgery of monney irritated western monarchies to its maximum levels, is it maybe because of that that they considered Ragusa "betrail"? Cause all Serbian exports including counterfited coins were exported trough Ragusa. FkpCascais (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@FkpCascais: The most implausible royal dynasty in Europe, if not anywhere, may be the House of Bernadotte, which still survives.
Jean Bernadotte was the son of a French lawyer. He joined the French revolutionary army as a private. He was an outspoken anti-monarchist, was rapidly promoted, and was raised to the rank of Marshal by Napoleon. Napoleon nearly had him court-martialled twice for cowardice, and IMO he would have richly deserved it.
He was kind to some Swedish prisoners. After Sweden's royal line died out, he was offered the crown, and accepted it. Narky Blert (talk) 11:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

James

@Narky Blert, Thank you for fixing the link to the DAB page for the James discography I edited on July 4, 2019. It was my first edit ever! Hopefully I'll create an actual page for it. Also I will study the DAB link articles you provided on your user page--very helpful. I have learned a lot already. As it turns out, learning takes time. :o) Your credentials are impressive and fun for someone like me to consider. Thanks again! CharlesTStokes (talk) 22:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CharlesTStokes: That's the sort of thing us WikiGnomes do! I'm pleased that you found something of use on my User Page. All we editors have a lot to learn; I keep on finding new things. Feel free to ask me questions anytime.
As a James fan, it was a pleasure to make that edit (even by adding a redlink) and improve the article. Happy editing, as they say. Narky Blert (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Narky Blert! Can you linking from Category:Chase films to Category:American chase films in article Maximum Risk? Thank you! —-78.37.237.233 (talk) 11:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chronicon Altinate

Hi, in Chronicon Altinate, you changed Chronicon Gradense to Chronicon Venetum et Gradense. Do you have a WP:RS? The cited source in the Chronicon Venetum et Gradense article explicitly says "John [the Deacon] has also been credited, but erroneously, with the 'Chronicon Gradense'". As far as I can tell, the Chronicon Venetum is distinct from the Chronicon Gradense, with different authors and different dates. See Giovanni Monticolo, Cronache Veneziane Antichissime, 1890 full text. See also the comments of Ugo Balzani, Le cronache italiane nel medio evo, 1973, p. 144. --Macrakis (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Macrakis: I think I was wrong and you are right: a bit more googling appears to show that Gradense and Venetum et Gradense were distinct. Narky Blert (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Narky Blert: What seems to be going on is that Venetum was published together with Gradense by Monticolo and others. I don't think there's actually a thing called Chronicon Venetum et Gradense, just one called Venetum and the other called Gradense. But it's not easy to find solid sources -- many sources talk loosely about Chronicon Venetum et Gradense without apparently knowing the documents themselves. --Macrakis (talk) 17:51, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Macrakis: Untrustworthy sources are a pest. In one of my articles, I added an editorial footnote saying, in suitably neutral language, that I thought that accounts in two sources (which contradicted each other, which were supported by nothing else, and which if true could only have been based on reports by non-existent eyewitnesses) were fictional. I also remember a DABfixing problem involving a German exonym, where I managed to track down a digitised version of the original source. It was a C18 book, and if it had been a WP article I would have hauled it up before WP:AFD as pure WP:OR. I solved the problem, but had serious doubts as to whether what the source said was true. Narky Blert (talk) 07:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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