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Chemical formula	C5S2O
Molar mass	108 g/mol
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Review Draft Article

Hi Robert McClenon! Thank you for reviewing the Draft:JioTV and highlighting the concern. I would like to explain this "This draft does not show how this division of Jio Platforms is sufficiently notable to need a separate article. " Jio Platforms has many divisions and JioTV is one of those. It's a LIVE TV application that is completely different from its other applications such as JioMeet (its a video calling app) or JioSaavn (it's an online music app only). Also, I have added more independent sources that are covering JioTV. Please have a look.

Since Robert has reviewed my article that's why I tagged him here. In general, I would appreciate help from any Wikipedia editors to improve this Draft:JioTV Ritzz07 (talk) 11:27, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a question for us? Giraffer (munch) 11:53, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Giraffer This draft Draft:JioTV has been declined because of notability concerns. So I am seeking help regarding the same. --Ritzz07 (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ritzz07 - What do you want help or advice about? I wrote that the division, JioTV, does not appear to be notable independent of its parent, Jio Platforms. You can expand the draft and resubmit it with an explanation as to how the division is independently notable. Or you can make an edit request to expand the article on the parent company. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon I need advice where exactly I need to share an explanation of changes I make. Here in this thread or will I get an option to write an explanation at the time of resubmission request. Also, could you please highlight which section ( or content) you feel does not appear to be independent. Any content that doesn't have a sufficient reference link. It will help me rework on this article. Thank You Ritzz07 (talk) 07:18, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ritzz07 - First, is JioTV a division of Jio Platforms? If so, JioTV is already discussed in the article on Jio Platforms. Second, it appears that you are asking me to rewrite the draft for you in order to put it into article space. No. I do not plan to rewrite the draft for you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon JioTV, is a division of Jio Platforms this has been explained in the beginning before even writing the draft. See Talk:Jio_Platforms . Second, I don't want you to write a draft but since you have raised this concern, I just want you to highlight that content that you feel is not independent. Just search for JioTV in google news. I believe that's how Wikipedia works. The external world should talk about the subject of the article. I have written this draft based on the reference available. Any content which is not supported by the reference, I'll take that content part down immediately. Thank You Ritzz07 (talk) 05:57, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ritzz07 - You ask me to highlight that content that I feel is not independent. You are asking me to edit the draft for you, and I will not do that. However, the answer is that no part of the draft is independent of Jio Platforms. Since JioTV is a division of Jio Platforms, it is not independent of the parent company. You have not shown why the division should have a separate article (unless you want to put advertising in the separate article). No part of the draft is independent. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Telll a reviewer to use Google search for references. It is the responsibility of the author to include the references. An editor who tells the reviewer to use Google search is insulting the reviewer. Tell your managers to get a different employee to do their paid editing, who won't insult the reviewers. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon Please accept my apologies. I didn't mean to offend you. Let me take other reviewer's opinions to have clarity. All I am trying to say that I collected reference from Google Search and then written this draft. Thank you Ritzz07 (talk) 06:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Getting permanent link for any previous revision

I know for the year 2020 article, the latest permanent link revision up to this point in time that I'm writing this is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020&oldid=975505928

But how do I get a "permanent link" for the revision, for example, from 21:46 on 25 August 2020? The only thing I got is this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2020&diff=974933481&oldid=974932175

That however, isn't exactly a permanent link as it is just "comparing revisions". How can I get a permanent link of that exact revision? I was only able to find a permanent link for the latest one by going to page information on the left hand side.

Please help me, and THANK YOU! 47.150.227.254 (talk) 22:55, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello IP editor. Welcome! I'm not sure if I'm missing something, but the answer seems quite simple. By going to the 'View History' tab and clicking the actual date of that edit, you get taken to this page. To me, that suffices as a perma-link as to how the page looked after that edit, on that date and that exact time (see Help:Permanent link for more details) Is that what you wanted, or have I misunderstood your question? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to point out a small wrinkle in that. Most pages transclude templates (other pages that perform various functions common to multiple pages), and what you may get is an old version of the page you're looking for, but with the current version of any transcluded content (I don't seem to know at this tired point of my day if this depends on page-rendering on the Wiki or what the exact details are). Mostly, if you're looking at a reasonably recent date, or if you really just care about the article text and not things like navboxes and other bells and whistles, it shouldn't matter. However, there is an alternative, which is to look for the page at archive.org, which would guarantee that you are seeing the page as it was at the time it was archived, complete with the old versions of any transcluded material. I think. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why does chembox break?

When I edit the chembox{{Chembox}}, it breaks. I type the correct code like {{Chembox Properties}} and it breaks. User:Nihaal The Wikipedian Discuss in more detail

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: (I removed some stray markup from your post above) I expect you mean "when you try to transclude the {{Chembox}} template"? You'll have to be more specific, like put the code you're trying to use in your sandbox so we can see what you're trying to do. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AlanM1: {{Chembox}} {{Chembox Properties |Molecular formula = C5S2O |Molar mass = 108 g/mol.l}}

The thing above is just an example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk • contribs) 06:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nihaal The Wikipedian: So, you're trying to transclude {{Chembox Properties}} as a parameter for a transclusion of {{Chembox}} in an article? In the example above, you have a couple of problems.

The {{Chembox Properties}} template has no |Molecular formula= parameter, but there is a |Formula= parameter: |Formula={{Chem2|C5S2O}}, or you can specify the individual elements with: |C=5 |S=2 |O=1.

There is also no |Molar mass=; you want |MolarMass=. Also, the units are wrong. You want either |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g·mol<sup>−1</sup> or |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g/mol

So, for this example, you would use:

{{Chembox
|Section1={{Chembox Properties
 |Formula={{Chem2|C5S2O}}
 |MolarMass=108{{Nbsp}}g/mol
 }}
}}

which produces:

Perhaps you can look at the article you created Methyl hexanoate for a working sample? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AlanM1 I have multiple problems though I have a desire to create another Draft. The problem is discussed here where This person said to slow my AfC.I will post the link in your talk page when it is created. Regards Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{{Chembox}} has some samples you can copy-and-paste. Or you can copy from an existing article that has the types of details that you want. You have to be very careful to use the exact name of every field (including spaces and capitalization) and proper punctuation (curly-braces, equals-signs, vertical-bars, etc.). It's better to use the "specify the individual elements" method instead of |Formula= and |MolarMass=, as that automatically calculates the molar mass for you (with a standardized number of decimal places and standardized units). DMacks (talk) 22:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

if i found a page on wiki with errors or intentionally edited by some persons what i can do ?

i feels even though i am a qualified person from a registered health university in india. I tried to edit an article which is of my speciality some senior editors are deleting the edit. and the fun fact is that they believe they are only true. What i can do in this situation ? Drnisamudheen (talk) 09:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drnisamudheen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see this guidance for expert editors. Wikipedia does not deal in truth, as truth is in the eye of the beholder, but we do deal in what is verifiable in independent reliable sources. If you have published independent reliable source to support edits you wish to make, please discuss this with the other editors involved on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 09:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at your recent contributions I suppose this is about this edit. A small problem with it is that it is marked as "minor" even though it significantly changes the article ("minor" is only for correcting typos, improving image layout, etc.). A more significant problem is the content: you unlinked "quackery" for no good reason, and you broke up a paragraph to insert borderline-promotional material in broken English.

Note that Unani_medicine#Education_and_recognition already includes a few paragraphs about recognition from AYUSH (which I feel strongly tempted to nickname "ministry of quackery"). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add image to article

Hi and good morning. I've uploaded an image to WP Commons which I would like to post to the article David J. Zimmerman. I haven't yet posted images to WP, and, as a new editor, would hate to make a mess of an article that I need someone else to fix! I edited the original article in Visual Editor. Can you direct me to "help" pages which might help me do this? Thanks. VictorMooney (talk) 13:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, VictorMooney. If you go to the file's page in Commons commons:File:Picture_of_David_J._Zimmerman_in_the_Indian_Himalayas.jpg, there are buttons at the top "Use this file", one of them with the Wikipedia logo,. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi VictorMooney. The photo you're referring to is of David J. Zimmerman yet you also describe the photo as being sen to you by David J. Zimmerman. Generally, it's the person who take a photo, not the the subject of the photo that is considered the copyright holder. Do you know whether Zimmerman took this photo himself or whether it was taken by another person? Since you don't seem to have taken the photo, the person who did is probably going to have to email their WP:CONSENT to WP:Contact OTRS#Wikimedia OTRS to verify the file's licensing and the copyright holder's intention to release it under said license.. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:01, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ColinFine and @Marchjuly: Thank you. Will do some more research...VictorMooney (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sakura School Akademi

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closing this since the OP has been blocked per WP:SOCK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sakura School Akademi JaidenMama (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JaidenMama. Do you have a question about Wikipedia or Wikipedia editing? Perhaps you're trying to find the page Sakura School Akademi? It was draftified by another Wikipedia editor and can be nw found at Draft:Sakura School Akademi. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:05, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

re: edit to claire adams today

Hello I saw a message for my edit to claire adams on wikipedia- saying "not constructive'...my edit was factual, claire adams was not only a wealthy actress but also an animal rescue advocate; there is archive film from channel 31 on the 'yappy hour' showing the history and life of claire adams and her enormous contribution to dogs/animals. So my edit is very constructive and accurate/informative of this person- also I have been over the last few years making small financial contributions to wikipedia so I am quite offended by your message Whoever you are. ***This edited/additional information I provided should remain on this page, you can check out my information source*** 49.184.36.206 (talk) 05:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you are talking about this edit, then, I am afraid, your "information source" is not included in there. It will be very difficult to check the information source, if the source is not provided anywhere. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have located some sources to support edits along the lines of the one you made. Please do not be offended because we are obligated to cite sources, this is what makes our articles reliable, and not unverifiable "junk".

I can certainly add info regarding her love of horses and dogs, now that I have a source. Thanks so much for bringing the article to our/my attention, I hope to add other info to it, not just about the animals. Will probably take a few days, I am slow. Best wishes, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 07:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Wikipedia Foundation that solicits and accepts donations is an entirely separate entity from Wikipedia, which is maintained by volunteers. What you got on your Talk page was a standard-worded answer when content is added without a reference, hence deleted. "Not constuctive" refers to the lack of a reference, not the validity of the content. David notMD (talk) 08:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Campaign / Bad Joke ?

In reading many different articles on a variety of different subjects, I keep seeing a particular person's name referenced. It strikes me as either a campaign or some sort of bad joke on Wikipedia. It would be interesting to perform a search of all Wikipedia articles for this name. Can that be done? Can I confidentially hand the name over to an experienced editor to look into this? Charles Juvon (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC) Charles Juvon (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Charles Juvon: If it's just a name (and not like, someone's email, social security number, home address, phone number), you can just tell us the name here (it'd also be helpful if you told us the names of a few of the articles you saw the name in). Ian.thomson (talk) 07:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid that could be taken by said person as defamatory. I do know IRC. Charles Juvon (talk) 07:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Charles Juvon: Yes, anyone can use the toolbar to search mainspace articles for certain words. Pew Die Pie is often randomly added by his fans as an ongoing competition for hits against some other social media nonentity. There is no risk whatsoever in you purely mentioning a name you've seen. But you can email it to Ian, me or any other admin if you really feel the need. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Charles Juvon: If there is a campaign to insert a name improperly, it would be useful for others to know it, so we can look out for it. It would also help identify accounts that are potentially not here to improve Wikipedia but instead to damage it, so we can prevent it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Implemented Charles Juvon (talk) 22:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question from SA Lives Matter

What do I do here and how can I contribute?

Regards,

}} SALivesMatter (talk) 09:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SALivesMatter. The main thing people do here is to edit articles, and creater new ones, to improve the Encyclopedia. A list of useful tasks may be found at Wikipedia:Community portal. Many people find The Wikipedia adventure a useful starting place also. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC) @SALivesMatter: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removing my previous edits to redo them in a single post

I made a couple of minor edits too hastily. I would like to remove the edits and the history of the edits in order to re-edit the article in a single go. Is that possible? "Sorry about the mess" sums up my feelings about being such a newbie here. Soonzuh (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Soonzuh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Edits are not typically removed from the edit history in these circumstances. Edits done in error are not uncommon and article histories are full of them. You may simply note in the edit summary that you are correcting an error with your prior edits. 331dot (talk) 10:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Soonzuh: Don't sweat it. Newbies (and even us old folks) make mistakes. What distinguishes an editor is realizing a mistake they made and fixing it, instead of ignoring it or waiting for others to do it. That is appreciated by your colleagues here.

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to use Prove It

I have searched through help files and question archives and while I find much information on Help:Gadget-ProveIt (which I have enabled on my preferences), I can not find anywhere what to do to use it, how to invoke it. The two "demos" linked on the Widgets page don't explain it either. deisenbe (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Deisenbe: One thing is that it doesn't work on Wikipedia namespace, or any talk namespace, pages, so you have to edit a mainspace article. You'll see a black square with yellow brackets at the ~~lower-left~~ lower-right (beneath the Cat-a-lot if you have that too). Click on the black square to bring up the Prove-It window. Click it again in that window to minimize it again. Does that help? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Katpana Lake

I tried to create an article on Katpana Lake. I couldn't figure out how to add one of the many pictures of this little lake in Pakistan that are in Wiki Commons. But worse than that, the software said one of my references was blacklisted and that I should go back and remove it. But it didn't say how to 'go back.' I tried various things and finally got back to the editing page, but I didn't know which reference was unacceptable. So someone else can write this article. 213.109.220.236 (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC) 213.109.220.236 (talk) 11:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which reference? Gerald WL 13:57, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerald Waldo Luis: that was a pointless question to ask! -the OP already said they didn't know which reference was causing the problem. That said, the IP editor has not used that address to edit any such article, not can I find any draft or sandbox page contaiing that name. So unless the IP can link to the page they were working on, we are not going to be able to assist much. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

yeah. Gerald WL 14:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There IS no draft because the Wikipedia software would not allow it to be created as long as the offending citation was present, and I was not about to go back and go through the process of eliminating each reference one at a time and then trying to get it published as a draft until finally one version without the blacklisted citation got through. That's why I'm hoping someone else will write about this lake. 213.109.220.236 (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the note, IP editor. I do have an interest in Gilgit-Baltistan-related articles, so I'll try to write one when I have time. Feel free to shoot me a note at my talk page if I forget, or if you need any other assistance. Best, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 17:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IP: Assuming you have it offline, you can email me (←click that link) the article on Katpana Lake and I'll figure out what the problem is. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to move pages?

Blockman9000 (talk) 12:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blockman9000 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may request a page move at Requested Moves. 331dot (talk) 13:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Censorship and Badgering

An editor has been removing 2 quotes from a biographical article, see link below without good reasons. The quotes are from the subject of the biography. The quotes are very relevant and absolutely necessary in proper understanding of the view point of the subject. This editor is citing WP:QUOTEFARM in a shoddy attempt to justify this blatant censorship and has now resorted to badgering me with multiple messages written in ominous tone on my talk page see [1] [2]. Please advice how to proceed in this case. *Talk:Swami_Karpatri#Censorship_of_2_Quotes_of_Karpatri_by_Srijanx22 Guy Foxx (talk) 13:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Guy Foxx, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a content dispute, and the Teahouse is not the place to take it: see dispute resolution for how to proceed if you cannot reach consensus on the article's talk page. Please remember to assume good faith: Wikipedia is created by many people with different views, and works by editors seeking consensus in good faith. Removing something you think important is not necessarily censorship. (I am not expressing any view on the rights or wrongs of the dispute: just talking about the way to pursue it). --ColinFine (talk) 13:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help with nomination for deletion in Marathi language

I am trying to nominate this page for deletion "https://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%A5%E0%A5%80_%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4" but I am unable to do so because the English tag doesn't work. This page has been deleted from the English wiki due to the lack of notability, so the subject tried on a different language. Please help! Iamstupidaflol (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot read the non-English article, but because the English Wikipedia has different standards from other languages, it is possible that the article can exist elsewhere although deleted in English. David notMD (talk) 13:49, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Iamstupidaflol, different language Wikipedias are different and independent projects altogether. You are better off seeking help within the Marathi Wikipedia for how things work over there. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How can I be a good Wikipedian?

Hey, I am new in Wikipedia. How can I be good like others? Do I need to add sources for every sentences? Userths (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userths, Hello and welcome, generally, you’d be a good Wikipedian by abiding by our policies and guidelines starting with WP:5P but I presume you are speaking particularly about article creation so for that I’d say reading WP:GNG, WP:YFA & WP:RS would be a great start. Finally, No, not every sentence requires a source(citation).Celestina007 14:51, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userths: ... but many statements do. Basically anything that is not common knowledge should be cited so it can be verified by any reader. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

my wikipedia article got declined. Help!

my wikipedia article declined due to this reason: they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. now what should i do? link of my article is below. Draft:Sanjeev K. Mishra. – Sanjeevkumarmishra2001 (talk) 16:06, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sanjeevkumarmishra2001, Hello and welcome. Wikipedia isn’t synonymous to a WP:LINKEDIN site hence isn’t a free for all entry or an indiscriminate collection of biographical articles as we possess rules on which articles are notable enough to be retained on Wikipedia & which to decline, reject, delete & speedy delete. For starters, any biographical article must be notable and in most cases should satisfy either WP:GNG(Please read that immediately) or WP:BASIC. Wikipedia also isn’t a platform for promotion see WP:PROMO & WP:CSD#G11. Furthermore creating an article for yourself isn’t a good idea, please read WP:AUTO as it explains why it isn’t. My advise for you would be to understand how things work around here before proceeding to create other pages as article creation can be quite tricky. If you have further questions do let me know.Celestina007 16:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Declined, and then Speedy Deletion. A reason for why the SD is on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to let you know that one of your recent contributions —specifically this edit to Montserrat— has been undone because it appeared to be promotional. Advertising

MY QUESTION IS ABOUT: "recent contributions —specifically this edit to Montserrat— has been undone because it appeared to be promotional".

Hello, as i'm new to this i have no idea about many things on editing. The fact remains, the edit on the sport of "Surfing" on the island of Montserrat is in fact correct. I happen to know because I lived on the island during and knew about the two brothers.I do not know where to go with this from here. I don't see how my edit is promotional. Please specify. Yoleen Valai (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoleen Valai: Welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition included the URL for the company's website which would be seen as trying to promote it and you did not include any references. Material in articles must be cited to a reliable source so that it can be verified, you can't use your own memory as a source. RudolfRed (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete the URL, as I can't seem to be able to navigate Wikipedia to find this! As for the source, I understand they are not from memories, that a bit ridicules to even fathom. The website would be a source like it or not. Just as any website would be a source...such as wikipedia. I've read a lot of wrong information on wikipedia. It's not a Bible as you may think. Do with it as you please. I don't have the time to continue with such issues. Yoleen Valai (talk) 20:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Yoleen Valai, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm sorry you've had a frustrating experience right at the beginning of your Wikipedia editing: Wikipedia is such a big and complicated beast that that can easily happen.

As you point out, Wikipedia is not itself reliable. What gives it some value nonetheless is that ideally articles are supported by citing reliable published sources, so that a reader doesn't have to rely on the accuracy of what is stated in Wikipedia, but can get referred to a reliable source. (I say "ideally", because Wikipedia grew so quickly in its early days that we have tens of thousands of substandard articles; but we tend to be more careful with material that gets added now). Wikipedia itself is not acceptable as a source, and nor are most wikis, blogs, forums, iMDB, social media, and many other well-known sources. See reliability of Wikipedia for more.

In a similar way, to preserve Wikipedia's neutrality, we strongly limit links to commercial websites. An article about the company Surfing Montserrat could certainly have a link to their website; and might also cite the website for certain uncontroversial factual information such as dates and places. But in general citations should references should cite sources such as scholarly journals, major newspapers and magazines, and books from reputable publishers. A company whose business is promoting surfing in Montserrat is not regarded as a reliable independent source for information about surfing in Montserrat. Does that make sense? --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I restored the Surfers at Montserrat reference (in the right place), as I considered it informational rather than promotional. David notMD (talk) 22:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Separate issue: You added an image Surfing Montserrat.jpg to the article and claimed it was your own work dated 28 August 2020. Did you take this photo? If so, it should be dated when it was taken, not when it was added to Wikipedia (the brothers lived there 1980-92). David notMD (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to ColinFine

reply to ColinFine

Thank you. Perhaps it’s the fact that I don’t know how to navigate Wikipedia. I do understand when it comes to selling or promotion, that was not my intention, because I know this much about Wikipedia. Where is the website tied in to my contribution? Is it the photograph? I may have added the website by accident, I clearly can’t see this! Can you be so kind as to remove whatever is making my contribution an issue? The website, as far as I can visually see, doesn’t sell anything related to surfing, or sell surfing as a business on Montserrat. There are no surfers on the island since the volcanic eruptions. Please let me know what can be done. Thank you. Yoleen Valai (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yoleen Valai, this is a help forum. If this is in regards an earlier question, reply in that thread. If you wish to communicate with ColinFine directly, please do that at User talk:ColinFine. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 23:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

to collnfine. Sorry but I don't know how to mail anyone direct. This is too difficult. Please pass my message below on to Collnfine, thank you.

Thank you. Perhaps it’s the fact that I don’t know how to navigate Wikipedia. I do understand when it comes to selling or promotion, that was not my intention, because I know this much about Wikipedia. Where is the website tied in to my contribution? Is it the photograph? I may have added the website by accident, I clearly can’t see this! Can you be so kind as to remove whatever is making my contribution an issue? The website, as far as I can visually see, doesn’t sell anything related to surfing, or sell surfing as a business on Montserrat. There are no surfers on the island since the volcanic eruptions. Please let me know what can be done. Thank you. Yoleen Valai (talk) 23:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC) Yoleen Valai (talk) 01:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping @ColinFine:, in case there's more needing saying or fixing. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Yoleen Valai. Thank you for your replies. As I said, Wikipedia is a complex system, and there is a lot to learn: nobody will hold honest mistakes against you. I see that David notMD has restored your edit to the article, in a different place.

To communicate with a particular editor, you can start a new section on their user talk page (mine is User talk:ColinFine), or you can continue an existing discussion by editing the section where the discussion began, and WP:pinging the user. That's what I've done here: I went "edit" on the section you began in the Teahouse, I added my reply at the end (using a colon ':' at the beginning of each paragraph to indent it), and I pinged you by putting {{U|Yoleen Valai}} at the start - as long I sign my message (which I see you know how to do) the software will notify you that i have replied. We tend not to use email, as discussions towards improving Wikipedia should be public. --ColinFine (talk) 08:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolving disputes

How are disuptes over content resolved? Monty330 (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Monty330, and welcome to the Teahouse. You start by trying to reach a consensus by discussion on the article's talk page. If that isn't successful, WP:dispute resolution explains where to go next. --ColinFine (talk) 19:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Title

I am collecting a list of Wikipedia reading for new editors. I am aware that I should not be doing this right now, which I am not, But I am going to post the collection on our Meta-Wiki. I am making the list through Wikilinks. Can Wikilinks redirect through Wikis? HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

HelloImAStudent, does this help? M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 19:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

this HelloImAStudent (talk) 19:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, HelloImAStudent The "this" link in M Imtiaz's first post is relevant; I'm not sure why they posted the second link. --ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Check those signatures again, ColinFine. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 21:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, M Imtiaz, misread. In that case, I have no idea what HelloImAStudent's reply was about. --ColinFine (talk) 08:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Polyhead

2605:6000:1520:8EB5:E134:34AF:E348:44AB (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia? RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

how do you add a picture to a article Alisha rains (talk) 21:38, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As described in Help:Pictures. -- Hoary (talk) 22:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

living in a socialist country

I was looking for information of what it is like living in a socialist country Is there an Article on it? if so, what key words do I need to use.

If not, it would be a real interesting for me. I assume others are interested as well. I come from Iran, the country is not officially socialist. It is a Islamic Theocracy ... but they there were socialist things there, such as nationalizing factories ... shortage of food, standing in line to get bread, milk or such 47.219.251.10 (talk) 21:47, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Reference Desk might be a better place to ask. I'd start with our article on Socialism, which has some of what you might be looking for, as well as links to other articles on individual countries and events that are relevant. I don't know if there is an article specifically about the narrow topic of what life is like. You might try Special:Search.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlanM1 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination help

I just nominated an article for deletion, am trying to follow the steps in WP:AFDHOW but the formatting on [3] doesn't seem to be working per step 3. What did I do wrong? Retswerb (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More specifically, the AfD log only shows my nomination text but has not created a title, a table of contents entry, or supplied any of the other template links that should have been included. Retswerb (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I now see that my deletion discussion page Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/Don K. Preston (2nd nomination) is what is messed up, the AfD log is just transcluding the info there. Still not sure how to fix it. Retswerb (talk) 00:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC) (Edited to correct wikilink)[reply]

Never mind, I fixed it. The directions at WP:AFDHOW step 2 confused me. Retswerb (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You might have a look at WP:TWINKLE for future AfDs. With Twinkle, it only takes a couple of clicks to process the actual AfD. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've got the page open already checking it out. Thanks for the tip! Retswerb (talk) 01:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Retswerb: My pleasure. Once you get it installed, there will be a menu item called "TW", for Twinkle, at the top, next to the usual edit and history tabs. Click that, then XFD. Select AFD from the list that pops up and you are almost done. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chatbot has undone my edit

How can I make improvement on the page Oscar Martinez (The Office) after bot undoing my edit? Editingwork8 (talk) 04:02, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Editingwork8. Your edits were reverted by User:ClueBot NG, an essential anti-vandalism bot. You have the option of reporting the reversion as a false positive. My guess is that the bot responded because you removed a lot of content including references. I understand that you and at least one other editor are of the opinion that the article contained excessive detail. I suggest discussing your plans at Talk:Oscar Martinez (The Office) where the perceived problem has not been discussed. I also suggest that you remove content in smaller chunks, with clear explanations in your edit summaries. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Channel site for references?

Can the information contained in the site https://www.wkms.org/ be used for referencing content? Will it be considered a valid source for confirmation? Editingwork8 (talk) 04:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Editingwork8. WKMS-FM is affiliated with National Public Radio and I would consider it a generally reliable source. I have referenced other NPR stations many times without problems. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cullen³²⁸ Thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

unrelated source

The page Devendrakula Velalar has a section called called 'Devendrakula vellar nattars' which cites [this source] which is:

not reliable as it does not seem to be mentioning the authour also it is overly glorifying the concerned caste

The content and the source don't match up.

Admins kindly take a look and make appropriate edits as the article is not accessible to non admins.Koronerman (talk) 04:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Koronerman, it is unlikely that an admin will volunteer to implement your request from only having seen it here, especially in such a controversial article. Please use Edit requests at the talk page of the article to request edits to it when you can not edit it yourself. Instructions are at the linked page. There is also the new Edit Request Wizard which I have not used myself, so feel free to try it out and tell us if it was helpful. I see that the article was protected because of disruptive editing related to a dispute; if your request has anything to do at all with that dispute, you will be required to obtain consensus at the talk page before the edit request is implemented. To obtain consensus, please start a discussion on the topic of the dispute and {{ping}} other parties to the dispute to participate. If that does not work, you would need to try other steps in Dispute Resolution. I know it does not sound ideal but no one has come up with a better (accepted) alternative to managing disputes in this encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My request to edits have been unanswered on a few pages.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Moved to WP:Help desk § Requests to edits have not been answered on multiple talk sections of pages

Hi, I've requested edit via correct format on some pages' talk sections, they are still unanswered. What's the right way to go for this if it still persists? Talhatauqeer (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Talhatauqeer: Please use only one help forum for a particular issue. I've linked to your other, more detailed, request at the Help Desk above. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Can this site be used for referencing?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/ Editingwork8 (talk) 06:44, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Editingwork8: Yes, I believe so. Calgary Herald seems to be a newspaper with a long history, and I don't see any complaints about it here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AlanM1 Thanks for bringing clarity to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How To Become Wikipedia Admin?

Hello I Am New Wikipedia Editor But I Want To Become Wikipedia Administrator So Please Give Me Some Tips To Become An Admin. TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn (talk) 07:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Be an editor for a few years and make more than 10000 edits in that period. Note that admins are more or less wieldeling the mop here, its an sometimes unpleasent and hard job you commonly arent rewarded for. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn: Please see the responses above at #Becoming an admin and please don't capitalize every word in your postings. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Hi TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and Wikipedia:Administrators#Becoming an administrator for more details. However, there are lots of ways that a person can contribute to Wikipedia that doesn't require them becoming an administrator. When a new editor such as yourself inquires about becoming an administrator after making only eleven edits, it generally indicates a lack of familiarity with Wikipedia and a misundertanding of the kinds of things an adminstrator typically does. So, often the best tip that can be given to such people is suggest that they focus on improving articles and learning about Wikipedia for awhile instead of trying to become an administrator. Once you establish a track record for making positive contributions and show the Wikipedia community that you're here for the right reasons; others will notice and may even starting asking if you want to become an administrator. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to create an article?

I Had Created Several Articles But All The Time My Articles Has Been Deleted. Please Give Me Some Tips To Make A Good Articles. I Wanna Create A Article Which Won't Be Delete. Sorry For Bad English But Reply If You Understand. ☺ TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn (talk) 08:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn: I've left some information on your talk page at User talk:TheNameIsMuhammadHusayn. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not capitalize every word. Your edit history shows that you became an editor on 28 August and have not created any articles. Were your previous edits made before you registered an account, or as a different account? Regardless, the information left on your Talk page can help. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Referring to a person on their own article

Do we always have to refer to a person by their surname, or can forenames be used occasionally?

I'm wondering this because I'm trying to tidy up, and slightly expand an article for an actress I remember watching on TV as a kid, but don't know much about.

All I know is that:

She's been married at least 3 times, possibly 4 or more times.
She's a part time actress, and former Police woman. She owns an acting school which is named after her 2nd or 3rd married name, and is an acting agent under a different company name.
She's used at least 4 different surnames - 1 of which is her birth name, and 2 of which were different to her husbands surname at the time for some reason.
She has 3 children - 1 of which is an actress and her sister, both of which have the surname of their father who was also an actor. And an older child who has a different surname altogether.

It gets a bit confusing referring to her by her current married surname, especially in the personal life section. Danstarr69 (talk) 08:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am a fairly new Wikipedia editor, so don't take this as a definitive answer. But my own view is that you would normally refer to an adult by the full name the first time you mention them, and after that by their surname. But you would refer to children by their first name. An obvious exception would be when the article refers to more than one person who has the same surname. That's my general rule. But the case that you describe is obviously more unusual. The best I can suggest is that you refer to your sources to see how other writers have handled the situation. Mike Marchmont (talk) 08:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy link: this appears to be about Tonicha Jeronimo.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to MOS:SURNAME and MOS:SAMESURNAME for more specific details, but generally MOS:MOS advises us to use the surname only for subsequent mentions unless doing so creates unnecessary confusion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Danstarr69, and welcome to the Teahouse! Generally, we refer to someone by their full name the first time, and from then on by their surname. There are some exceptions, such as when someone is primarily known by a mononym, such as Beyoncé. For more info on using names in articles, see MOS:NAME. Hope this helps! Regards, Giraffer (munch) 11:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Giraffer I think I'm going to use Tonicha Jeronimo's birth and maiden name Jeronimo, which she's currently using on social media and LinkedIn, but not on her acting school and acting agency website where she's using her recently married name. I started editing her IMDB profile around a month ago, but put it on hold when I realised she uses multiple names. She seems to go back to her maiden name every time she gets divorced, and doesn't seem to have used her newly married name for any acting roles yet. I've just found out that her first born child, and her other children all have the same father, even though the eldest uses a different surname altogether. I suspect he uses his middle name to dissociate himself from his parents, as he wants to be an actor, so he can't be accused of nepotism if he does become an actor.

Danstarr69 (talk) 11:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Despite being married eight times, Elizabeth Taylor (her birth name), continued to use Taylor because her movie career started before her first marriage. Her four children (one adopted) went by the names of their fathers (Wilding, Wilding, Todd, Burton). David notMD (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why do some categories have "Category:" prefixed and others don't?

This isn't very important, but it bothers me that I can't figure it out.

Copied from User:Deisenbe:

etc, Thanks for enlightening me. deisenbe (talk) 09:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because, if you look at the source, there are piped links for those that don't show "Category:", e.g. [[:Category:History of slavery in the District of Columbia|History of slavery in the District of Columbia]]. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken the liberty of adding a colon before the first entry on your list, as without it you had included this Teahouse page in Category:Abolitionism in the United States. David Biddulph (talk) 11:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong information about Ayurveda

Ayurveda (/ˌɑːjʊərˈveɪdə, -ˈviː-/)[1] is an alternative medicine system with historical roots in the Indian subcontinent.[2] The theory and practice of Ayurveda is pseudoscientific.[3][4] The Indian Medical Association (IMA) characterises the practice of modern medicine by Ayurvedic practitioners as quackery.[5]

This is absolutely wrong. Ayurveda is a centuries old science that has been developed and practised in Bharatha (India) for eons. Kindly remove this false description of Ayurveda. Please allow editing of the page so that it can be changed. 103.5.132.28 (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources say about topics. The passage you mention is well cited. You are free to discuss your concerns on the article talk page (Talk:Ayurveda) and even make edit requests detailing changes you feel are needed. However, you will need independent reliable sources to support your proposed changes, and even if they are valid, that will not make the views of the Indian Medical Association go away. 331dot (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retiring.

My mental health has been worsening the last few months and I am sick and tired of dealing with it. I would like to retire from Wikipedia. Is there any procedure for doing so? I wish to end everything. Screw this. ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich Talk 13:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editor has cleared User and Talk pages and place the RETIRED banner on both. David notMD (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Дрейгорич: Thank you for your 1,200+ contributions over the last two years. Your well-being is the most important thing to focus on, and Wikipedia will always be here for you should you ever wish to pick things up again. Your help in creating the worlds biggest online encyclopaedia is appreciated. With all our best wishes. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference question

I worked on a page https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katya_Cengel Two places need a citation. I absolutely can not find a viable reference. Do I leave it as is or do I remove the information needing a citation? WikiJSPN (talk) 13:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiJSPN: You can leave it because there is Citation needed there.Do not worry.Nihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, WikiJSPN, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I'm going to disagree with Nihaal The Wikipedian: if you have looked for a reliable source and can't find one, then it does not belong in a Wikipedia article. Please remove it. If somebody else can find a source, they may restore it. --ColinFine (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Split the difference - take out that she teaches at UC Berkeley, but leave in (with citation needed) where she got her college degree from. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Colin's answer is especially correct for information about living people. We need to be especially careful about not including any unsourced material of that type, in keeping with the "biographies of living persons" policy. DMacks (talk) 14:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found her on rate my professor and in an advertisement for UC Berkley, but I assume those are not reliable sources (please correct me if I am wrong). As to her degree, I found a reference to her being an alum here: https://literature.ucsd.edu/people/alumni/positions.html Is this a reliable source? It seems to that they sourced the information from her website. Am I correct in this assumption and if so, is it still a viable source on information as to where she got her degree? WikiJSPN (talk) 20:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should I preserve a toollabs prefix when updating a broken link?

Hi Teahouse! This is my first post here, thank you for providing all these resources to help new editors! I joined WikiProject Children's Literature and wanted to fix the broken hyperlink for the cleanup listing in the project's infobox. I think the cleanup listing link is intended to go to https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html. But the current code for the link in the infoxbox has a toollabs prefix: toollabs:bambots/cwb/bycat/Children's literature.html. Should I try to preserve the toollabs prefix? I tried putting in toollabs:bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html, but with that link, my browser gives a "Your connection isn't private Attackers might be trying to steal your information from bambots.brucemyers.com.toolforge.org" warning instead of taking me right to the page. Is there a way I can preserve the toollabs prefix but have it go straight to the https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html? Or is it fine to swap out the https link for the toollabs link, losing the toollabs prefix? I don't want to unintentionally take away a valuable function, if toollabs has a purpose I'm not aware of. I tried searching for more information about toollabs, but didn't find much clear information about what toollabs might be doing in this specific instance. Thank you so much, I appreciate your help! Merenby (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Merenby: Welcome.

When I go to https://bambots.toolforge.org/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html, the page reads (in its entirety): The bambots tools have been moved to a new server. The new server can be found at https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Children's_literature.html. The latter link works for me and is a to a personal web domain; I assume the bot maintainer moved the code away from Toolforge, a domain hosting various bots and other scripts for Wikimedia projects. (I assume there is no difference between Tool Labs and Toolforge because wikitech:Tool Labs redirects to the Toolforge page.) Therefore, it is neither needed nor smart to keep the toollabs prefix. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stinger

I do not know where to post this. User:DHHeadrick has changed (1, 2) uses of the word "stinger" to "sting" and added "The term "stinger" is incorrectly used when referring to the piercing organ of venomous arthropods, the correct term is sting" at the top of the article, which does not seem appropriate. Another user has agreed on DHHeadrick's talk page that "stinger" is incorrect. Should the edits be reverted? J3133 (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Common usage seems to disagree with these two editors. 8.40.149.206 (talk) 14:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My common usage would agree with those two editors. J3133: if editors disagree, then the proper course is to discuss it on the talk page, and if consensus can't be reached, to follow dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One problem with the dispute is that DHHHeadrick is providing his own published content (ref #1) as the reference for "sting" over "stinger". My personal opinion is that when an insect stings me, it is with its stinger. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted. 8.40.149.206 (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The best place to discuss this is on the Talk page of the article, where you can catch up with previous discussion of this issue.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article talk page is the right place to discuss this. Both terms are equally valid in the article, and should be present in the lead in my view. On the European side of the Atlantic, I can say I regard 'stinger' as more of an Americanism, and that 'sting' would make more sense colloquially. (But see this abstract in American Entologist.) Neither are real anatomical terms, so both usages really should be present, especially as the article covers a range of taxonomic groups. I note that 'Sting apparatus' is often used to describe the whole venom-injecting mechanism of various invertebrate groups. What is not acceptable is someone with one strong view posting their opinions and citation at the very top of the page. That discussion belonged in the talk page, not the article, unless there are sources which discuss the etymology of the term, in which case they should go inside a section with that sub-heading. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

someone reverted my edits

Sphilbrick reverted my edits (worked really hard) in the Department of Law, University of Calcutta. how do i reverse this? there is no copyright infringement! https://www.caluniv.ac.in/academic/department/Law.html Based.brahmin (talk) 14:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Based.brahmin: welcome to the Teahouse. The administrator who reverted your edit (and then had it removed completely) made it clear to you on your user talk page that they believed you had violated copyright. The best way to deal with that is to engage with them by responding, pointing to any 'Creative Commons' licencing that permitted the deleted text to be reused elsewhere, or explaining why you feel they made an error. We are all human - these things happen, so the simplest way is to politely enquire and to explain your position. However, it looks to me like you simply lifted vast chunks of text from https://www.caluniv.ac.in/academic/department/Law.html (a copyrighted website) and pasted it into the article. We do not allow that, so please do not do that again. Instead, write using your own words and be succinct in what you say, and avoid 'close paraphrasing'. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Based.brahmin, I noticed that you didn't try to contact me – I only stumbled across this by accident. I think Nick has already responded accurately but go ahead and provide further information if you think I missed something. S Philbrick (Talk) 19:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Based.brahmin, I will also add that I left a message on your talk page, although I understand you are new and might not even know that you have such a talk page, but I just want to make sure you know that I reached out to you. S Philbrick (Talk) 19:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Tagging guides for a newbie.

"‪File source is not properly indicated: File:Chomel...‬". I used the upload wizard and I encountered this.. Do you have any guide for editing there are lots of tags and I don't know how to use them yet. the syntax and usage of tags. I need a guide please.. 2403:6200:8840:143:4134:4685:8284:5B9C (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Site in Progress

Leniency while I construct the site I am in the progress of reconstructing the site for an elderly scientist, unable to do the work himself. Completing the site is therefore urgent. An approved draft was created by the scientist's spouse, and I am in the process of transitioning the CV-like content to an informative narrative. To my frustration, someone keeps removing the existing content, which I would must restore manually. Please, PLEASE give me a grace period to rearrange the content to a narrative. I am wasting time restoring deletions and time is something we do not have right now. VLShalin (talk) 16:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @VLShalin, you should ensure you read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure before continuing. Unfortunately, we don't make exceptions, so you'll have to liaison with the editor in question who is reverting your edits. You can see who this is in the "history" tab of a page. Ed talk! 16:22, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That editor appears to be Sumanuil. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea how to communicate with this editor. Regarding COI, I am a former student of the scientist in question. However, I can speak on behalf of myself and the scientist (and anyone else who is likely to contribute) that we are "just the facts" historians inasmuch as this is possible. Certainly not paid, and motivated to assure that the period in question doesn't get lost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VLShalin (talk • contribs) 17:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, VLShalin, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. A Wikipedia article about a subject does not belong to the subject, is not for the benefit of the subject, and ideally should not be edited by the subject or their associates. By your description you are not a paid editor, and are not required to make that declaration; but you assuredly have a conflict of interest, and are encouraged to make this plain (you have done so here, but postings here get archived quickly). What you should do is to request the changes you want made to the article at its talk page Talk:James Greeno. You could also address the other editor on their user talk page (pick the 'Talk' link next to their name on the article history); but it's best to keep the discussion on the article talk page. Be aware that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything said, done, or published by the subject of an article except where this has been discussed by a completely independent published source. Part of the difficulty of editing with a COI is that the editor typically knows information which cannot be corroborated from a reliable published source, but such information may not appear in a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will communicate with the editor as you suggest, and find a way to indicate my relationship to the subject. However, I note with irony that the contents being deleted are the very sources that document corroboration! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VLShalin (talk • contribs) 17:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Danger

Steve Stylish (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse, Steve Stylish. This is a help forum for those needing assistance in the processes of editing Wikipedia. Your post makes no sense, and I have removed the subsequent one as it was equally uninformative as to what help you seek. None of us are mind-=readers; if you have a question about Henry Danger, please be more explicit. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Steve Stylish, and welcome to the Teahouse. Judging by this edit, you're wanting to make some edits to Henry Danger, and you can't because it is semiprotected. (Judging by your next edit to the talk page, you got into a snit then, which is not helpful). If you want to suggest edits to that article, please post an edit request at the talk page, --ColinFine (talk) 19:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a URL to Medical Journal Citation

Medical journals allow for a URL in the citation. Why can't I edit a reference to include a link to the actual citation, not just the DOI or PUBMED? Look at reference 144 in this article. I want to add the URL to article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acne#Hormonal_agents like reference 93 for example?

Reference 144 Azzouni F, Zeitouni N, Mohler J (February 2013). "Role of 5α-reductase inhibitors in androgen-stimulated skin disorders". Journal of Drugs in Dermatology. 12 (2): e30-5. PMID 23377402.

Reference 93 Garner SE, Eady A, Bennett C, Newton JN, Thomas K, Popescu CM (August 2012). "Minocycline for acne vulgaris: efficacy and safety". The Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews (8): CD002086. doi:10.1002/14651858.CD002086.pub2. PMC 7017847. PMID 22895927. Archived from the original on 23 June 2018. Retrieved 23 June 2018. 74.111.40.41 (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed See Special:Diff/976020101. The URL goes in the |url= parameter without brackets around it. The title (with no URL or other markup) goes in the |title= parameter. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My notable friend Jerilyn Lee Brandelius is probably dying. How can I recruit editors to improve her article?

Jerilyn Lee Brandelius suffered chest pains last weekend followed by a heart operation. Her life is hanging in the balance now. She has an established article but it lacks inline references. I am too close to her to edit it. How can I recruit other editors who care about her community (rock music and the Grateful Dead), but who don't know her personally, to improve it? Gnuish (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gnuish Hello, I'm sorry to hear about your difficult time. You may make a formal edit request(click for instructions) to detail changes you feel are needed to the article, on the article talk page(Talk:Jerilyn Lee Brandelius). 331dot (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

can ou find out what this creature is

Hi, I'm new to this and I can't find what I am looking for. I am trying to find out more information about a mythical creature I saw online a year ago. I am writing a book and I want to put that creature in it but I Can't remember what the creature was called. it looked like a skeleton with wings. it had rough black wings and it was definitely evil. Please help me find out what it is. Angelinatheamazing (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Angelinatheamazing, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. While this topic isn't specific to Wikipedia or editing, which is what the teahouse is for, I can give you some rough guidance. There are many images of "Skeleton Angels" online that you can look through on Google Images which may lead you to find the answer you're looking for. Given the black wings, you're probably looking for the "Angel of Death" [4]. Hope this helps :) Ed talk! 21:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would the company Emsi be notable enough to have a Wikipedia article?

I'm curious to know whether or not you think the company Emsi (https://www.economicmodeling.com/) would be considered notable enough to have a page to itself. They've been featured in the WSJ, Forbes, ESPN, HBR, The Atlantic, and NYT, among others. Sks5HDuPdgpkpLeEohWs4Jbkq (talk) 23:06, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Sks5HDuPdgpkpLeEohWs4Jbkq. I am a New York Times subscriber. I searched their archives and could not find a link to any significant coverage of Emsi there. I did a Google search for coverage in The Atlantic and could not find anything significant. The Wall Street Journal is behind a strict paywall. Please provide links to the best of those articles, specifically the ones that devote significant coverage to the company, and are readable without a subscription. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:47, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sks5HDuPdgpkpLeEohWs4Jbkq, Hello & welcome, quite a unique username you’ve got there I must say. Now, just as Cullen328 already stated above, I myself carried out a google search & could not find anything substantial & for Wikipedia to retain an article on an organization, the organization must satisfy WP:ORG(read that immediately) thank you. Celestina007 23:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm finding their data cited a lot, but having trouble finding coverage about them, i.e., they are all passing mentions, identifying the source of the labor market analytics used in the articles. There are a couple of articles in local media around the same time about them expanding their headquarters, but those may prove to be based on PR. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How to format a DVD?

Hello! How would I format a DVD reference, like this one? https://animationshowofshows.com/collections/dvds/products/the-animation-show-of-shows-volume-21 Thank you. Katherine311MH (talk) 00:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Katherine311MH. The template {{Cite AV media}} would probably work for such a thing, but you try and be consistent with the overall citation style being used in the article per WP:CITEVAR when filling the parameters of the template. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:58, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request page be protected

IP users keep vandalizing a page. How do I recommend that a page have a protection since I’m not an administrator myself? Thank you! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 00:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Lima Bean Farmer. The proper noticeboard is Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. The quick shortcut is WP:RFPP. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

Los Angeles Museum of the Holocaust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Museum_of_the_Holocaust) has changed its name to Holocaust Museum LA. It needs to be changed, but I can't find the "move" button. Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsophina (talk • contribs) 00:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gsophina. Most likely the reason you cannot find the "move" has to do with the fact that your account is still not WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. If you believe the page should be moved, you can ask for help as explained in WP:RPM#TR. Be advised, however, that you might be asked to provide some links which support your claim for a name change as part of your request.

In addition, instead of simply replacing the old name each time it's used in the article, you might want also want to incorporate new content about the name change into the article if it can be supported by citations to reliable sources. Perhaps there's a reason for the name change and this reason was the discussed in newspaper articles, etc. that covered the name change. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gsophina: Thanks for raising this issue. New users cannot create or move pages. I verified the name change with the official web site and moved the page to Holocaust Museum Los Angeles. I also created a redirect at Holocaust Museum LA since that name is also commonly used for this museum. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:34, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Checking to see if page subject is notable

I would like to write an article on a monthly observance called "ARRR-Gust:International Pirate Month" and would like to know if it would be considered notable. We are published in Chases's Calendar of Events for the past 4 or 5 years and the event is starting to gain attention nation wide. RoguesArmada (talk) 01:49, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@RoguesArmada, Hello & welcome. Generally, events are considered notable here if they satisfy WP:EVENTCRIT. I carried out a google search & do not think that the event is notable yet. Your comment above seems to be indicative of this; and the event is starting to gain attention nation wide, if the event just began to “gain attention nation wide” it may be WP:TOOSOON for an article on it. Celestina007 03:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Running the auto-archival bot.

I thought I had seen an auto-archival bot that goes through references and generates an archive link (on archive.org, iirc). Not able to find the instructions to run that bot on a page / set of pages. I was going through an article today that was created over the years, and had suffered from quite a few dead-links. Seems like that article would have benefited from this bot. Any leads? Ktin (talk) 03:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC) Ktin (talk) 03:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ktin: From the article's History page, near the top, there's a line of External tools, including a link to "Fix dead links". The last time I used it, though, it failed to sense that some dead links were actually dead. I ended up checking the "Add archives to all non-dead references" option so it would add archive URLs for all refs and then I went through them and manually marked the ones that were dead (by changing/adding |url-status=dead to the cites). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AlanM1, Thanks a ton! Let me go check it out now. Ktin (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AlanM1 -- worked like a charm! Thanks. Ktin (talk) 04:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You can also manually add {{Dead link}} tags to the references that are dead but the bot doesn't realize are dead before clicking "fix dead links". I do that periodically. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pppery, Awesome! Will try that next. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 05:12, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery: Thanks – that's preferable to adding all the live ones. Do you know if the failure to recognize the dead ones has been reported as a bug? I'm sure I've seen it even when the URL clearly returned a 404 error. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for Artificial Intelligence page required

How can I create a page related to AI companies and refrain from being visibly promotional? Editingwork8 (talk) 03:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Editingwork8: You may want to first look around to see if the article already exists. Have a look at some other "lists of... companies" for inspiration and for ideas on how to present things neutrally. Is there something in particular you are worried about? ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:06, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ThatMontrealIP Yes, I'm particularly worried about getting my content listed as promotional or advertising because I know that its not acceptable here. Then, how can I write about the subject of my interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 04:42, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Try starting it out in draft space. That way you can ask others to look at it, and also run it throuth AFC if desired. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ThatMontrealIP Thank you. I'll try this way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 06:39, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Programs for formatting Wikipedia

Is there a program for formatting Wikipedia? I wrote my first article with 24 footnotes in WORD 2019. However when I looked at other web sites on the "editing" page, my eyes glaze over with all the arcane formatting. It is almost like code - it is way over my head. So I'm wondering is there some sort of program or web site that will do that for me?...or a service? I did finally figure out that I needed to put those little equal signs == in to ask this question... but that is as far as I got. :) AndreaSG50 (talk) 04:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AndreaSG50, Hello & welcome. Perhaps I may not be reading this correctly but I don’t think you are yet to create any article, at least not with this account. But nonetheless, for article creation and formatting you might want to see WP:YFA,WP:MOS, & WP:CITE. Celestina007 04:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Celestina007 How do I obtain the correct account? I have a WORD article that I would like to publish in Wikipedia. It looks like that I simply copy and paste it as a draft page in the wizard....and then if it looks right, I then "publish"?

@AndreaSG50: Not exactly, but pretty close. But before you do that, please have a look at WP:YFA. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions/Approval required for the edit plan

Please review the content given below and let me know if I can replace it with the current content on the Richard Haskayne page.

Richard (Dick) Francis Haskayne is a Canadian businessman and Philanthropist. He was born on December 18, 1934 to Robert and Bertha Haskayne. He was raised in Gleichen, Alberta by his parents who were English immigrants and ran butcher shops in Gleichen and Bassano. He did Bachelor of Commerce from the University of Alberta in 1956. Then, he moved to Calgary and married Lee Murray in 1958. In 1959, he became Chartered Accountant. He became President at Hudson's Bay Oil and Gas in 1980. He served as president and chief executive officer of Interhome Energy, Home Oil Company and Interprovincial Pipe Line Limited. He also remained member of 18 company boards. He worked as a chairman of board of Trans Alta Utilities, MacMillian Bloedell and Nova. Dick lost his wife due to ALS in 1993. His second marriage with Lois Heard in 1995, combining childre from the previous marriage, together gave him five children and eleven grandchildren. In 2001, the University of Calgary acknowledged Dick's leadership by creating the Richard F. Haskay]yne Chair in Accounting. The following year, the school's Faculty of Management was renamed as Haskayne School of Business. He was also honored with Woodrow Wilson Award for corporate citizenship in 2004.

Instead of the paragraph featuring his career, I'm planning a table with three categories- Designation, location & work duration. Rest of the content that I find suitable will not be modified. Editingwork8 (talk) 04:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Editingwork8: the Teahouse is for general questions on how to edit Wikipedia. What you have above is an edit request, which belongs on the talk page of the article you want to request an edit for.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ThatMontrealIP Thanks for the guidance. I'll keep that in mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse is shaking

Teahouse is shakingNihaal The Wikipedian (talk) 05:01, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

? Please explain what you mean. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:58, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

World Book

Is the world book an acceptable citation? A Tree In A Box (talk) 05:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello A Tree In A Box. The World Book Encyclopedia is a generally reliable source. My parents purchased a set of the 1960 edition when I was a young schoolchild nearly 60 years ago, and I spent countless hours browsing and learning from it. But like Wikipedia and undergraduate college textbooks and other reference works, World Book is a tertiary source. It can be used in limited ways, but independent secondary reliable sources are really preferred in most circumstances where they are available. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

how is the Article ?

below is my Article "Draft:CloudEnd Platform" Cheeku009 (talk) 06:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone help publishing a page?

Hi there, I received an invite to the teahouse and wanted to say thank you and hello! Also, I submitted a page "Alston Ramsay" that has not been reviewed. I was curious if you knew any way or were able to speed up the review process, since I would love to get it up sooner. If you have any suggestions, they would be very appreciated! Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alston_Ramsay

Thank you very much for you help! I really appreciate it. Best wishes! Bluejay1984 (talk) 06:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is no such way by intention. Why do you need to get this draft reviewed so fast? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone help me get a page published faster?

Hi, I received an invite to the teahouse and wanted to say thank you and hello! Also, I submitted a page "The Current Occupant" that has not been reviewed. I was curious if you knew any way or were able to speed up the review process, since I would love to get it up sooner. If you have any suggestions, they would be very appreciated! Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Current_Occupant

Thank you very much for you help! I really appreciate it. Best wishes! Horror99fan (talk) 06:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No there is no such way by intention. Why do you need to get that draft reviewed so fast? Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 06:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Suggestion

Is https://www.forbes.com/#32bf4eab2254 a reliable source for referencing? Editingwork8 (talk) 06:34, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ClueBot

Why isn't cluebot archiving my talk page sections? I inserted the template for cluebot to automatically archive sections in all sections I don't need any more, and enabled the necessary parameter (archivenow). I-82-I | TALK 07:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]