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Release date

Can somebody take out that bullshit release date which is obviously a fake? Thanks 2.235.213.84 (talk) 02:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)Andrea[reply]

I've added a citation needed tag for the release date.David O. Johnson (talk) 04:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The 2016 release date was removed (quite correctly) in March 2015 (this edit) by user:Debeet. This story cites "sources" which reaffirm 2016, but that doesn't seem at all robust or reliable enough for us to report in the article. -- Finlay McWalterᚠTalk 01:41, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
June 25 2019 is most probable release date as it would mark 37 year anniversary of blade runner and was set in 2019. ALso the game funding deadline by the Polish government june 2019. 180.151.25.249 (talk)

@Jirka.h23: Rumor is not worth adding. Speculation is not worth adding. It serves no use and informs no one. Cognissonance (talk) 05:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Cognissonance, what do you think is not relevant, we should stick to the wikipedia policy. Here is explicitly expressed, that "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses and should be aware of point-of-view. It's not my opinion, but it's clearly sourced. However, your opinion that it is not worth adding and informs no one is contrariwise the POV, for me the speculations are also an infromation. I will give you an example, in the case of cars, if we have for example a version of hatchback and a station wagon, it is for me also infromative that it was speculated over the sedan version and photos of its test vehicles appeared, but it was eventually canceled. These are common practices on Wikipedia, I do not want to be rude, but your actions could be taken as removal of sourced content and therefore considered as vandalism. Regards. Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The game has no official release date (or even window), so I'm not sure how you add that to the article. Just stating TBA doesn't really help, so we'd need something more like "at E3 2018, the developers stated that the game's release date was still undecided", which gives historical context. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:59, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How about we add the release date when it's confirmed. The context relies on the speculation being wrong. "After rumours of a 2019 release, the game was set for a 2019 release" is not going to work. If it's releasing in 2020, the context is integral. Just don't blow your load before it's official. Cognissonance (talk) 04:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As I've already said, what do you want Cognissonance is not relevant. Speculations are also informative and if they are inserted correctly, they are not against wikipedia policy. I agree with what Dissident93 suggested, we can add for example "However, at E3 2018, the developers stated that the game's release date was still undecided" for clarification. Regards. Jirka.h23 (talk) 05:02, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, if the developers give an update (like my example), then that gives it historical context once the game actually gets released. Not sure why you are so opposed to that? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:52, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All upcoming video games without a release date have an undecided release date. Cognissonance (talk) 06:27, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, no one disputes this. So you agree with our proposal, and will you stop removing sourced text (which is consistent with Wiki-policy)?. Jirka.h23 (talk) 09:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Stating the obvious does not make an interesting article. I do not agree with adding something that would make this a less interesting article. Until the release date is confirmed, rumor (as context) is useless information. Cognissonance (talk) 03:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If this is obvious, than I see it as another reason to mention it here. Why do you think that this would make it a less interesting article? In my opinion it will do even more interesting and informative article (as in other articles), but what we think does not matter at all, it is important if this text does not conflict with the rules. And it does not contradict. Jirka.h23 (talk) 09:30, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone explain why there is a release date in the past tense ("First released: September 17, 2020") when you google this game, even though this date is still months away? And why it says "Initial release date: November 19, 2020", which is clearly wrong according to the article itself, which gives 16 April 2020 as the initial release date?46.230.133.220 (talk) 13:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't Google, and we have no control over what Google's infobox states. Also, the article correctly states that this game will release on November 19th. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:05, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Development

I got that from the CD Projekt Red's wikipedia page, I've also added the source and what I've did was correct. Pure conSouls (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Writer Credit

@Lone Internaut and Pure conSouls: You have both broken the three-revert rule. Please stop reverting and talk here. Pondsmith is credited as consultant, that's it. Creating the lore the game is based on does not make him the writer. Dmitry Glukhovsky wrote the dialogue and outline for Metro: Last Light, which exceeds the role that Pondsmith serves, so it doesn't compare. Cognissonance (talk) 23:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I simply don't understand why it can't be seen as writer of the video game, since the video game is based on the same timeline and lore he wrote and designed. Plus in: "When I write new stuff for Cyberpunk now, I talk to them so what I do in 2030 matches up with what's going to happen in 2077. It allows them the ability to move forward and I can still create new stuff as long as we stay coordinated. [...] A couple of weeks ago I went over the current story script and was going through it, 'okay okay this is great this is great - oh by the way that person is dead. We're constantly going back and forth, we work really hard on the timeline" - I don't see a simple "consultant" work. He clarify that what he writes in the timeline of the past is built to confront with the timeline of 2077. They work togheter, modifying the development based on what each other does. If this doesn't make him a contributor on the game (so one of the "writers") I don't know what else could make him as that. He is not a simple consultant. He is contributing. Lone Internaut (talk) 09:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What Pondsmith is writing is another Cyberpunk tabletop game, and thus new information has to align with the game. "I went over the current story script and was going through it, 'okay okay this is great this is great - oh by the way that person is dead" indicates that CD Projekt Red are seeking advice from him, which is the definition of a consultant, so his contributions are those of a consultant. Cognissonance (talk) 11:49, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think theres an obvious consensus to include him as one of the authors seeing how he is described as such in the media, so I see no explanation for your constant attempts at reverting the inclusion of him as a writer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.34.160.162 (talk) 09:06, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First and Third Person

quote :

Cyberpunk 2077 is a role-playing video game played from either a first-person or third-person perspective.

Source https://www.vg247.com/2013/08/12/cyberpunk-2077-to-contain-both-first-and-third-person-perspective-rumour/

You can read the source in Powerpoint - nowhere does it mention either Cyberpunk, or third or first person perspective.

  • Only on slide 4 does it say "tons of customization, mixed TPP/FPP" - not the same as "can be played from either perspective"

If the statement is correct it needs a proper source, that doesn't cite article that don't verify.

NB - neither perspective is confirmed in GDC article 5.198.10.236 (talk)

[edit to clarify] - A game like Halo has mixed TPP/FPP - FP on foot, TP in vehicle - it cannot be played by choice in either - that's the issue//5.198.10.236 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:32, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

William Gibson

Is it really necessary for the article to contain William Gibson's negative opinion? This opinion was based on a pre rendered cutscene released at E3 with absolutely no gameplay. Moreover, 50 minutes of gameplay was released in the following months, and it turned out to be nothing like GTA. Basically, his opinion is uninformed and completely out of date, and thus of little value to the article. To me it seems like extraneous data for the article, and should be removed. The only author's opinion that should matter should be Mike Pondsmith's, since he created the tabletop game 2077 is based on.

24.194.179.228 (talk) 04:50, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rock, Paper, Shotgun controversy

Why is there no mention of the misguided drama surrounding the game started by gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun? Among other things? Sarujo (talk) 22:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sarujo, never heard of this controversy, please elaborate. Also, provide some reliable sources (outside RPS) that mention this. Regards, Lordtobi (✉) 05:56, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In brief: Rock, Paper, Shotgun released a couple of articles not long after E3 that heavily criticised Cyberpunk 2077 for both "weak gunplay and unimaginative stereotypes" and allegedly "contributing to transphobia." Not long after, a number of other games journalism website pick-up on the stories. Shortly thereafter, these websites (and articles) were countered by a number of reputable YouTube video game content creators such as The Quartering, Cleanprincegaming, and YongYea who accused the journalists of exaggerating, or otherwise fabricating, issues in order to stir controversy and fake outrage. From here, it spiralled out of control, due in part to a tangentially-related concurrent issue where a CNET journalist wrote a "hit piece" targetting several content creators (including those previously named) before approaching their channel advertisers in an effort to get them demonitised. Eventually, even CDPR and Mike Pondsmith got involved.
It's all a bit complicated, but it's certainly something that should be addressed in the article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There has been a lot of stir surrounding criticism for Cyberpunk 2077 after E3, but this particular issue doesn't seem to have received much attention in the mainstream media. If I get this correctly, both Daily Dot and RPS quote tweets and added their own opinion to criticise just one promotional image, the creator's explanation, and the combined lack of context. The issue became a one-liner in a larger pile of issues/criticism presented by PC Gamer, coupled with Pondsmith's response. YouTubers are generally not considered reliable sources, so we would not include them here. Maybe we can have a sentence regarding post-showcase criticism for Cyberpunk 2077, of which this would be a part, but I think putting major emphasis on this specific, short-lived issue, which revolved around one promotional image, appears to be undue weight. Lordtobi (✉) 21:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Complicated is an understatement. Here are a few sources discusing the controversy...
Here is CNET's "hit piece" article "Meet the angry gaming YouTubers who turn outrage into views", and is the article made going after YouTube content creators defending the game. "Gamergate’s Latest Targets Are Cyberpunk 2077’s Critics"
@Lordtobi To clarify, I wasn't suggesting we use the YouTube content creators as a source; it is simply a case that the issue of YouTubers being "targeted" has snowballed out of this Cyberpunk 2077 criticism. If possible, this should be referenced but I can easily believe that the journalism websites in question won't have covered the topic (given that they are the offending party). --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This outrage has been engineered out of nothing and has no place in the article. Cognissonance (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You don't think it should be at least mentioned in a single sentence or so? We can't deny that it has received a lot of coverage. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If I were writing the post-release reception section right now, I would not include it because this is about a single in-game promotional poster. The notability is at zero. Cognissonance (talk) 19:51, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How could a single, short sentence with 4-5 reliable citations have a notable of zero? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, they are all cannibalizing each other's material (which is how they inflate this unimportant subject to such a level), so it wouldn't be 5 sources. Second, I was talking about the notability of the in-game poster, which is zero. The same cannot be said of the first-person perspective, which is why I added it. Cognissonance (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't limited to one in-game ad, but also the claim that CD Project Red were using "unimagintive stereotypes" and their overall depiction of minorities. Refering to the to rival gangs "the Animals" and "the Voodoo Boys". And V, who is gender and racially fluid but was depicted as a white male in the E3 2019 demo, was helping the Voodoo Boys by killing members of the Animals who all of whom are black. Plus V mocking character accents among other things. Sarujo (talk) 04:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The poster is just a small part of the wider "controversy" that surround this game, as Rock, Paper, Shotgun would have us believe. Despite my personal beliefs that this controversy is heavily inflated (which is noteworthy in and of itself), accusations have been made by multiple gaming sites now which should be addressed in this article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:35, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Accusations with no proof of intent, based on the personal offence of a couple of activists, are not noteworthy. Only important content covering the main aspects of the subject should be in the article. Cognissonance (talk) 21:22, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First-person controversy

It also should address a the complaints regarding the revelation that the game would be in first-person rather than third.
That's what I pulled up so far. I'm pretty sure there's more, but I'll more editors knowlagble on reliable gaming sites take over. Sarujo (talk) 22:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Already covered. Cognissonance (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

British English

@LoganBlade: Do you see the template at the top of this page? It says "this should not be changed without broad consensus". And when it comes to "Weapon use increases accuracy and reloading speed, which are manifested in character animations", are refers to accuracy and reloading speed (plural). Unnecessary changes: Piping open world to add a dash, hyphenating real-time when it's not used as an adjective, writing the where it works better without it (copyediting), and other similar shortcomings. Stop. Cognissonance (talk) 12:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

I recently added an awards section for gamescom and someone removed it for not being notable enough. as i understand it gamescom is notable and have a jury. but that is not the point, my question is why do you remove it from this page but it does not get removed on all the other games wikis. that seems unfair.
Here are just some of them(and there are more of them)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderlands_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gears_5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty%3A_Black_Ops_4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_(video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Hunter_World%3A_Iceborne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_War%3A_Three_Kingdoms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destiny_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Horizon_4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_1800
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth%3A_Shadow_of_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_Zero_Dawn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accolades_received_by_Marvel%27s_Spider-Man
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinity%3A_Original_Sin_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Ghost_Recon_Breakpoint
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_(video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Zoo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Odyssey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin's_Creed_Origins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda%3A_Breath_of_the_Wild
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Honor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Strange:_Before_the_Storm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_Sport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_CARS_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forza_Motorsport_7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit:_Become_Human
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Sonic_Racing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Come%3A_Deliverance

gamescom is also the largest Trade fair for video games outside of U.S. and has been around for 11 years.
if its is notable enough for every other game it should be here too.

i think the best way is to go back to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyberpunk_2077&oldid=975910404 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rezaderaz8 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • You're right, lets put Gamescom awards outside the table. the guideline link you gave me was very helpful, it also took me to God_of_War_(2018)(Good article) and Red_Dead_Redemption_2(Featured) which let me to believe Titanium Awards shouldn't have been removed. i also noticed that you removed Game Critics Awards 2019 which i can only assume it was by mistake.

If anyone have the time would you please add gamescom awards outside the table. Thank you.

    • The Games Critics Award was a mistake, but Titanium Awards was not. They just seem to be awards given out at a Spanish games festival by a hidden jury list (meaning they could just be fans). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, i did it because of WT:VG discussion! i thought Featured meant "use it as examples for writing other articles" and i found them on the very same link you gave me. i didn't know they were wrong!--Rezaderaz8 (talk) 22:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
list of +36 other games that have Gamescom in the awards table (2015-2020)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Tomb_Raider
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy's_Rainbow_Six_Siege
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin's_Creed_Odyssey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Me_Why_(video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_Sport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Thieves
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Nightmares
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek%3A_Bridge_Crew
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson's_Heart_(video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_2018_(video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_2K20
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Evolution_Soccer_2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Sword_and_Shield
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_FighterZ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_War%3A_Warhammer_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_%2B_Rabbids_Kingdom_Battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink%3A_Battle_for_Atlas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Ultimate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_DC_Super-Villains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_Genie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi's_Mansion_3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFootball_PES_2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted%3A_The_Lost_Legacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_Wars_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_Speed_Payback
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Marvel_Super_Heroes_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Battlefront_II_(2017_video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_Agenda_(2017_video_game)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Hunter%3A_World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Exodus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Decay_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Is_Strange_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Mario_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astro_Bot_Rescue_Mission

Why is this in british english


WP:COFAQ#ENGLISH

CDPR has it's offices in LA. The games' social media and press releases are written in US English. What's the justification for using British English when the thing in US English. In compliance with WP:COFAQ#ENGLISH seeing as the English version of this game is a US topic.

https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1040189032364306433?s=20 https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1172799688531202048?s=20 https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1026113270774738944?s=20 https://twitter.com/cdprojektred/status/1138155714789163008?lang=en

Not to mention the game is in US English. See the subtitles that CDPR put on the new trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixl31324UxE&feature=youtu.be&t=81 Jackie says "Asshole" instead of "Aresehole"

The article was also written in US English way back. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyberpunk_2077&diff=729871886&oldid=726941084

Not to mention the game is set in the US. For The Witcher 3's page retaining UK English makes sense because the game is not set in the UK. The first thing we saw of Cyberpunk was "the worst place to live in America" not the worst place to live in England I say the setting and language usage of the game and the should be mirror that of the Wikipedia article. Not to mention Cyberpunk was created by an American about America. Not to mention the game is being touted as a political commentary on.... America. https://www.vg247.com/2020/08/26/cyberpunk-2077-extreme-american-gun-culture/

@Cognissonance: . Thanks, (talk) 19:51, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Because one of the early editors of the page wrote it that way and it stuck (silly policy IMO but it's allowed). I also agree that a game set in the US should use US English, even if the developers aren't American. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I say a change is justified as the game being in American English makes it an American topic. I would like to hear the other side of the fence before it gets changed though. What would the argument be for Britsh English other than the guy who started the page was British? Thanks, (talk) 03:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article is in British English because the development takes place in Europe. When a game is set in multiple places around the world, you don't have multiple forms of English on Wikipedia. Nor do you go by the subtitles, which have different languages in them as well. The best way to solve this problem is to look to where it is chiefly being developed. CD Projekt Red having offices in LA makes no difference since their European offices are the most important. Cognissonance (talk) 07:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Offices in Poland. Which speaks Polish, not British English. Not to get into Brexit. For Polish Wikipedia I'm all for using Polish. But for the English Wikipedia the variant the game uses to represent itself should be considered the official version of English for that game. As far as I can tell CDPR has no offices in the UK. They do however have offices in LA. If Cyberpunk were being developed in the UK I would be in agreement with you but seeing as it isn't and the game itself favors US English I say the nearest English speaking country closes to where the game is being developed is meaningless. So if we are to go off the only country with CDPR offices in it that speaks English then that would be the US. User:LoganBlade (talk) 07:33, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
UK English is the dominant variant in Europe, that's what you don't seem to understand. Cognissonance (talk) 11:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I take it back. You're right. Seeing as Poland is in the EU and the EU uses British English I think that we should keep it with British English. User:LoganBlade (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Developer is not in U.S it's in Europe, Having offices in U.S. doesn't mean anything since a lot of big companies have offices in U.S. also European schoolchildren learn British English not American, and the official website of the Cyberpunk2077 Cyberpunk.net is written in British. --Rezaderaz8 (talk) 12:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Xbox Series S inclusion in infobox.

Should we treat Series S as a different SKU of the Series X and assume that it works like Xbox One X to Xbox One or should we leave it out? Here is windows central saying everything playable on Series X is playable on Series X. https://www.windowscentral.com/does-xbox-series-s-play-all-xbox-series-x-games#:~:text=Best%20answer%3A%20Yes%2C%20the%20Xbox,games%20and%20next%2Dgeneration%20titles.

Gameplay image

That image still has the "does not represent the final look of the game" on it. Now that there is new gameplay lacking the overlay indicating it is a WIP I believe we should update it with a more recent image.

New gameplay here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPTxQhvGo_Q&t=654s&ab_channel=KotakuAustralia Please voice your objections now.

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