Talk:Loreen

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pronunciation of name

The article says

Lorine Zineb Noka Talhaoui (Swedish pronunciation: [lɔˈreːn ˈsiːnɛb noːˈra talˈhavi]

Is the ⟨k⟩ in "Noka" really pronounced [r]? She "was born… to Moroccan Berber immigrant parents", so I suppose the name needn't follow normal Swedish orthography, but this seems strange. --Thnidu (talk) 05:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name

Her registered name is "Lorine Zineb Noka Talhaoui", listed on Upplysning.se and Ratsit.se,[1] among others. However, in a video interview with German TV channel Bravo, she claims that the "Noka" in her registered name is a misspelling and that "Nora"[2] (Arabic: لورين زينب نورا طلحاوي)[3] is the correct name. Ecacheiro (talk) 12:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Lorine Talhaoui (38 år) Stockholm". www.ratsit.se (in Swedish). Retrieved 2022-07-14.
  2. ^ "Deutsche Bravo Interview with Loreen". Retrieved 2022-07-14.
  3. ^ "حوار مع النجمة المغربية لورين عن الفيديو الموسيقى الجديد لأغنيتها Ride". Vogue Arabia (in Arabic). 2017-12-26. Retrieved 2022-07-14.

Requested move 13 May 2023

– As only the second person to win the Eurovision Song Contest twice, she is now the primary topic. PatGallacher (talk) 23:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. I'm not as familiar with Eurovision but US media outlets (see CNN and The NY Times for example) have put her front and center. Comparatively, the other entries on the present disambiguating page are notable enough for Wikipedia but not notable enough to take away from Loreen the singer. For these reasons, I strongly agree with PatGallacher and say that there isn't too much of a valid reason to think that Loreen can't be the primary topic. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 23:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I agree! -- Berishasinan (talk) 23:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I also support this. Two time champion.BabbaQ (talk) 23:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I have to agree (even though I hated the song). Deb (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All other BLPs have natural disambiguation and the singer has twentyfold more incoming wikilinks than the song. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  04:32, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:RECENT Loreen is a name. This is an article for a singer. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's certainly a huge spike of recent interest here, though it is a rather niche name. https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Loreen%7CLoreen_(singer) - with logarithmic scale turned on - indicates that the proposed primary topic is driving the preponderance of reader interest. At the same time, we're clearly at a spike right now, that will eventually dissipate - we can't know how much. So the question for right now is does it astonish the average reader to have them click on the first entry in the list as opposed to being short-circuited. I can't really say the answer is yes, because they seem to be getting navigated just fine already. --Joy (talk) 09:14, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It would be best to wait before making any move. Loreen's first Eurovision win apparently didn't lead to her becoming the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and it's too soon to know if her second will change that (although I suspect it may). A.D.Hope (talk) 11:28, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, this is literally a name --FMSky (talk) 11:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- This seems quite recent. Google Trends reflects this. I would sit on the idea for now. -- Tireauclaire (talk) 12:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I don't think there is enough popularity for the songs, as seen on Loreen_discography for this to be well known to be the primary topic to be honest, which includes the UK where just one entry charted to date. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 12:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The singer seems to be the prevalent topic. --Brunnaiz (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait I feel this should be closed without prejudice, to be reopened when the documented spike in popularity is over. The name is obscure and the singer is clearly the most notable person with it (and, to be sure, who is known exclusively by it; see Shakira), but whether this discussion is influenced by RECENT or not, we won't know until after the fact, so waiting seems best. Kingsif (talk) 14:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. "Loreen is a name" is not an argument. All the other name-holders get 20-50 page views a month, which is extremely low. —Xezbeth (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - certain primary topic. Tad bit RECENT but I doubt that there's enough recentism here to change any !votes. estar8806 (talk) ★ 15:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is similar to my thinking. Yes, there is an obvious RECENTISM boost here, but the other BLPs all not being mononyms (therefore being NATURALly disambiguated via their additional names), the singer having a large amount of cited sources, and Loreen (name) being a redlink all added up to tip it for me to accept the singer as the primary topic per WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC) And obviously we would place a hatnote on the singer's article directing people interested in the other Loreens to the DAB page. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The disambig should suffice. There are several other WP articles on women with that first name. No need to single this one out just because she chooses not to use her surname. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - winning Eurovision in 2012 might not have been enough to make her the primary topic, but winning it for the second time?Turini2 (talk) 19:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As per reasons above, and the article absolutely meets the criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, particularly as Loreen (name) is a redlink. Cinccino 💬 hethey 20:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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