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If you came here to alert me to DS for post-1932 American Politics (AP2), climate change, BLP, GMO, or anything else included in the WP:Arbitration enforcement log, please be aware that I am PERMANENTLY AWARE - awareness is tatooed on my - so there is no need to post another DS alert.

Point to this notice to CYA.
CHEERS!

Archives for It Will Soon Pass

Do not disturb. I'm in the middle of important research.

Autocorrect has become my worst enema.

On a sign at a restaurant in Texas:
Treat your Mom to a Margarita! You're probably the reason she drinks.

Research reveals that people who drink heavily are much more likely to experience retrospective memory loss.
Isn't that why we drink?

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Check the Label

Make sure your Viagra prescription says Made In the USA
You don't want Russia meddling in your erections.

The Wisest Man Who Ever Lived

Dr. Rick Rigsby’s commencement address. I hope you will listen to it before you comment here.

When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. All the pain is felt by others.
Same thing happens when you're stupid.

People who confuse the words "burro" and "burrow" don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

How do I know?

I don’t know how much I don’t know because there’s no way to gage how much I don’t know when I don’t know what it is I don’t know, so stop telling me I should've known.
There has to be some merit to “ignorance is bliss" ^{Atsme✍🏻📧}

And there comes a time when you finally realize that you don't know shit. 11:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Snake in the bullpen

"I come from an environment where, if you see a snake, you kill it. At GM, if you see a snake, the first thing you do is go hire a consultant on snakes. Then you get a committee on snakes, and then you discuss it for a couple of years. The most likely course of action is -- nothing. You figure, the snake hasn't bitten anybody yet, so you just let him crawl around on the factory floor. We need to build an environment where the first guy who sees the snake kills it." ~Ross Perot

You look like rookies

"I'm sorry, but you two appear to be: treating each other civilly accepting the possibility that your own actions might not have been correct trying to work out the best thing to do for the project without concern for you[r] own egos. I don't know where you people think you are, but you definitely don't understand how WP:AN is supposed to work. Where's the disrespect? The attacking of each other's characters and motives? The entertaining temper tantrums? Please immediately review other threads on this noticeboard, so you can better participate in WP:AN. Right now you look like rookies. I don't do AFD, so I have no opinion on whether to relist or not (couldn't hurt, tho, right?), but that's a good example of what should be going on here; useless babble without any helpful outcome. --barneca (talk) 9:57 pm, 16 September 2008, Tuesday (10 years, 8 months, 12 days ago) (UTC−5)[1]

Carrots may be good for your eyes, but booze will double your vision.

To say it in WikiVoice, or not??

While this list of sources is really good and does establish "commonly used by reliable sources" I think we should additionally ask ourselves - what added benefit is there to Wikipedia saying it "in our own voice" as against simply reporting in a neutral manner that it is common for his comments to be described as racist.

As of this moment, we are engaging in what I think is admirable short-term restraint. We say in the lede "He has a history of making controversial [weasel words] comments." That's fine as far as it goes, because 'controversial comments' is true, and is neither positive nor negative as an evaluation. Sometimes controversial comments are good, sometimes they are bad. Fine. But we are at the same time here being too cautious, I think, in that we fail to inform the reader as to why the comments are controversial. Is he saying things that might be controversial in Iowa like "Gay marriage should be legal" or "Marijuana prohibition has done more harm than good"? No, actually. So I think we should cautiously say something like "He has a history of making comments that have commonly been referred to as racist.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]" Well, maybe 9 footnotes is excessive, but you see my point. We have more than enough to make the point that the reader needs to know, and I think the point is stronger than if we simply say, in our own voice, that he has a history of making racist comments. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 9:57 am, 19 June 2018, Tuesday (19 days ago) (UTC−5)

To include it in a BLP, or not??

BLPs wherein a subject's work, beliefs or ideologies are perhaps more controversial than the actual subject, should not become focused on bolstering and subsequently refuting the subject's views or theories rather than actually defining the subject. In many cases this may in fact be due to the subject trying to push their own ideas, while others work diligently to refute them, but many such cases involve editors who have no affiliation with the subject other than a personal belief/disbelief in their work. A person's biography is not a good place to debate scientific theory or ideological beliefs; such debates belong in the articles that focus on those topics. For BLPs, it is enough to simply state what their views are and link to the articles which expand on those views.
(quote by Zaereth edited for brevity; Jimbo Wales agreed with Zaereth’s explanation.)

Politics, presidents and NPOV

I'd like to add that I don't mind a little bit of personal chit-chat here about politics, I'd like to always seek to tie it back to Wikipedia. We have chosen a very tough job: NPOV. Dislike for the President, fear about things that are happening in the world, may make it emotionally harder to remain neutral, but remain neutral we must. I happen to personally think that given the decline in quality of the media across the board (there are still fantastic journalists out there, but overall the landscape isn't great) the best way for us to help the world heal is neutrality.--[2] Jimbo Wales (talk)] 3:12 pm, 8 January 2019, Tuesday (UTC−6)

Writing for the opponent

"Writing for the opponent is an important trait of good editors. They must be able to divorce themselves from their own POV so much that they can bend over backwards to aid in the writing of content which documents views they do not like. They must never block the inclusion of content which opposes their own POV or political positions. If they cannot do this, they should recuse themselves from the topic and edit in other areas. Editors who are unwilling or unable to write for the opponent are incapable of truly understanding or abiding by the NPOV policy. As such they will always cause problems." (see WP:NPOV means neutral editors, not neutral content)

What Am I Doing Here...

Did you ever stop to consider that being equal may hold you back?
Do you want to make money from Wikipedia? It's easy! Log out and go to work!
For a lesson in the proper English application of the F-word see: this video
Is "group think" the academic version of "mob mentality"? Conformity!
Wikipedia: where anyone can edit and enjoy the benefits of income equality.
Pile-ons can be painful and unattractive, especially at noticeboards.
At the end of every rainbow is a capitalist with a pot of gold.

Back in my day, when athletes took a knee, they took a knee.

RfA archives

Sharing health tips with a friend:

• For better digestion, I drink beer.
• For appetite loss, I drink white wine.
• If my blood pressure is too low, I drink red wine.
• For high blood pressure, I drink scotch.
• When I have a cold, I drink schnapps.”
  

My friend asked, “When do you drink water?”

I replied, “I’ve never been that sick.”

My medical entrance exam:

When I was young, I decided to enroll in medical school.
On the entrance exam, we were asked to unscramble the letters...

PNEIS

...to form the name of an important human body part that is most useful when erect. The students who answered SPINE are doctors today, and the rest of us are editing Wikipedia.

Four Worms

Four worms were placed in 4 separate test tubes:

• 1st in beer
• 2nd in wine
• 3rd in whiskey
• 4th in mineral water
  

The next day, the teacher shows the results:

• The 1st worm in beer - dead.
• The 2nd in wine - dead.
• The 3rd in whiskey - dead.
• The 4th in mineral water - alive and in good health.
  

The teacher asks the class:

• What did you learn from this experience?
  

A student responds:

• Whoever drinks beer, wine and whiskey does not have worms.

If only...

• ...sarcasm burned calories.
• ...you knew, you would know.
• ...closed minds came with closed mouths.
• ...mosquitos sucked fat instead of blood.
• ...the good died young, we'd be here forever.
• ...my teeth were as white as my legs.
• ...more people were fluent in silence.

When A Grizzly Attacks

Hiker to park ranger, "Ranger, how does one survive a bear attack?"

Ranger replies, Easy...remove the "f" from the word "way".

Hiker responds, "There's no "f" in "way".

Ranger replies, "Exactly."

Thought Grenades...

• It is much easier to ride a horse in the direction it is going. ~Abraham Lincoln

• It gets late early out there. ~Yogi Bera

• There comes a time on Wikipedia when it's important to know when to stop arguing with editors, and simply let them be wrong. ^{Atsme📞📧}

• Nodding the head does not row the boat. — Irish Proverb

• Make haste slowly. —Kikkoman

• Be who you are, say what you mean, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind. — Bernard Baruch

• Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want." —Randy Pausch

• I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. ~ Blaise Pascal

• Knowledge should be fun so don't take the fun out of fundamental.

• Patience is a virtue. Give karma a chance.

• I may not be young enough to know everything, but I'm old enough to not believe everything.

• What border? Oh, that one. Nah...not a problem - open borders.

• A tip for longevity: Never believe the impossible can't happen to you.

• “It is well known that human choices are affected by the way in which a question is phrased.” ~ Benedetto de Martino

Dear Karma,
I have a list of people you missed.
Don't sweat it!
Karma's only a bitch if you're one first.

Who punched the spike?

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Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Adityavagarwal submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

It is my immense pleasure to nominate Atsme, a highly prolific veteran editor and one of the best contributors to Wikipedia. She is an editor who totally deserves this award and, in fact, it was very astounding that she has not received it yet. She has created 43 articles and provided 84 Images to enhance WikiPedia. She is a proud member of the WP Response Team, the Guild of Copy Editors and Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing. There are countless reasons to nominate her, but the best reason would be: "Writing or significantly expanding articles on a regular basis". A visit to her talk page is filled with humor and enjoyably fun. She has immensely contributed to a wide array of animal species in addition to other articles on monuments (American paddlefish, Faisalabad, bowfin, loham, and the Taj Mahal as well as several others). I would therefore strongly advocate that she be adorned with this award!

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

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Good Karma

Atsme

Editor of the Week for the week beginning February 17, 2019

One of the best contributors to Wikipedia, she has created 43 articles and provided 84 Images. A member of WP Response Team, the Guild of Copy Editors and Wikipedia:WikiProject Horse racing. A talk page filled with humor and enjoyably fun.

Recognized for

writing or significantly expanding articles on a regular basis

Notable work(s)

American paddlefish, Faisalabad, Taj Mahal

Submit a nomination

Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 15:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

... this is such an honor ... I am humbled over the recognition, and feel blessed with the good fortune of having collaborated with some extraordinary past recipients of this memorable award. Such recognition is very much appreciated - thank you Adityavagarwal, Buster7 and Emir of Wikipedia - but I must admit that I feel a bit guilty over being rewarded for something I truly love doing...uhm, but not guilty enough to not display it on my user page. ^Atsme 📣 📧 16:34, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Well done, Atsme. It's not just your Talk page that's "filled with humor and enjoyably fun". You have a great sense of humor and that's really appreciated. Great article work too, of course! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Congrats from me too! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:12, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Martin and Tryp...without your comedic minds and contributing wit, I would have no humor. Quite frankly, I was taken aback when I first saw the award - I had recently read this Op-ed by Kudz - but then I recognized the names involved here and with a big sigh of relief, I started running a marathon. It was a great way to start the day! In fact, Happy Hour came much earlier than usual as a result, and it's showing promise as an all-nighter. 🥂 🍾 😜 ^Atsme 📣 📧 22:07, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I somehow missed the entire mess described in that op-ed, but now that I've seen it, I could use a drink myself. Not good. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:24, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Tryp - exactly, and the reason for the link I added to "marathon". 😊 ^Atsme 📣 📧 14:34, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I am of the crowd that says I would have thought you had received this honor already. Well then, justice is now served as I can think of no one who deserves it more at this time. Congratulations! It is from a handful of editors that include you from which I have improved my editing skills since I got here a bit over two years ago. Very well deserved indeed. dawnleelynn^(talk) 00:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

dawnleelynn ❤️ ^Atsme 📣 📧 00:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Very well deserved! A little late, but congrats!! Horsegeek^(talk) 02:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Horsegeek

Thank you, Horsegeek - ❤️ ^Atsme 📣 📧 02:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Every week for fuck knows how long you have been a colleague, you have been editor of the week, with your wit, gentle toughness (don't fuck with Atsme) and enormous body of contributions. Lurve your style, lurve you for being you. Honest and gutsy, with your own compass. Oh and being a confident and strong woman, without needing any 'ism' or 'ist' label. You are you. Respect Simon Adler (talk) 05:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Wow, Simon! My TP edit banner must be doing its job. I was awestruck reading your words..admittedly with a momentary pause at "enormous body" thinking maybe a punchline was forthcoming. (sidenote: the words on the back of my t-shirt when touring astride the Suzi: "Does this bike make my ass look fast?") Anyway, humor aside, the real me was blushing. I'm delighted that our interactions have always been with mutual respect and admiration. ❤️ ^Atsme 📣 📧 14:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

• Congratulations ! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
• Congratulations, and interesting, with the karma embellishment. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sturgeon

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sturgeon you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:40, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Y - thank you, Chiswick Chap. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:13, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

In a spare moment I've blitzed the article to implement a good portion of my comments. Brilliant user/talk pages, btw. It's Easter shortly (happy bunnies, etc) - what is your timetable for this GAN? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, CC - wow! That's one blitz that really helped. Now that I've finished Cherry juice, I'll get on top of the GA. Should have it finished by today. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sturgeon

The article Sturgeon you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sturgeon for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the wonderful job you did, CC. As always, it was a pleasure working with you. It is now a DYK nom. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Likewise. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:44, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Congrats! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

(Any caviar on the menu? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC))

Ahhh...caviar!! Back when I did the field production for "The Paddlefish: An American Treasure" (FF to about 5:04), I worked closely with Missouri Dept. of Conservation biologists, a few game wardens, and 2 USF&WS special agents who had worked undercover in a sting operation to bust a ring of poachers who were illegally using gill nets to catch paddlefish in the Missouri River (they received prison sentences). Paddlefish roe closely resembles the roe of sevruga sturgeon, 2nd only to beluga which sells for about $129/oz. They helped me reenact the bust, and also helped setup the scene to demonstrate how poachers made caviar in a garage or wherever, and then sold the tins fraudulently labeled "Sevruga caviar" into the black market. For the sake of brevity, I'll summarize by saying that after what I witnessed firsthand while shooting the caviar segment, I will never eat caviar again. On a slightly different topic, Virginia Tech contacted me to co-produce an educational outreach program with them about crayfish, "America's Crayfish: Crawling In Troubled Waters". During field production, I survived the smell of the raw sorting/processing segment without issue, but I will never, never eat crayfish tails, sliced, diced or in-tact. The tails do not taste like lobster tails - but that isn't the worst part - whenever I see boiled crawfish, I get flashbacks - not of the vividly colored, beautifully arranged dishes steaming with the savory smells of sweet corn and spicey Cajun food - no, all I can remember is my New Orleans born production assistant sucking the juice out of the heads of boiled crawfish. 🤢🤮 Bon appétit!!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:27, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

"a ring of poachers": I didn't know that poaching eggs was, uh, like an actual occupation. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:53, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, and they have a Lord of the Rings. 😊 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:57, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Well, if you caint eat caviar or crawfish, there's always frog's legs.. tastes just like chicken! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes indeed!! I've spent many a night spearing bullfrogs for dinner but I will not clean them - someone else has to do that part. It's also a bit unnerving when the legs jump out of the frying pan. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a hoppin' good time. Better hop to it! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm a little slow tonight NA1K - good thing poaching eggs only takes 3 minutes - maybe by Sunday I'll be hoppin'. I hear that's a good day for it. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 01:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

What's hoppenin? You know those legs are fresh when they're still hoppin' at you in the pan. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:06, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

• Nice work on the Sturgeon article.--MONGO (talk) 00:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, MONGO - it's a mere pebble of sand on the vast beach of your FAs and GAs which are an inspiration. My next project is to create a map showing the global distribution for all 27 species per CC's suggestion. That will keep me busy for a while. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Update: I haven't done chit as far as creating a global distribution map. I appeal to my diligent TP watchers to HELP. Complexities abound. Are you up to the task? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Sturgeon

On 18 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sturgeon, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that sturgeons are ancient fishes, widely sought after for caviar and more critically endangered than any other group of animal species? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sturgeon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sturgeon), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

President vs. president

I removed the first graphic to make room for the knew one. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC) It's amazing how many times a controversial issue can be resolved by a simple rewording. I think I'll add that to User:MelanieN#Things I've learned at Wikipedia. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:04, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

- I'll have to think of a kewl template for your revelation. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:08, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

I just added a few to my page that I just came across. How about this: "Wikipedia guidelines are like scripture: somewhere in the labyrinthine network of rules, you can find support for any position." -- MelanieN (talk) 22:23, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

😂 - We've got the start of something "knew". I'll just add a few WP graphics to complete it. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:21, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Knews by MelanieN

Labyrinthine network of rules

↑He found support for his position↑

Pillows are good support for any position

And they are fun no matter what position you're in!

"Wikipedia guidelines are like scripture: somewhere in the labyrinthine network of rules, you can find support for any position." ~Cribbed by MelanieN & properly attributed.

MelanieN - just for you! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 00:35, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I take no position on positions. (resisting the urge to make the obvious wikilink. 0;-D) And I didn't write that; I cribbed it. Like a good Wikipedian I put the attribution on my user page. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:38, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Especially when such a position requires pillow support. Wear your "oh my!" glasses if you search using those keywords together on Commons. Although the ones with the little kitties were cute. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 03:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

What's

the elusive constitution? Also, I am being quite patient. ∯WBG^converse 13:33, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

I know you're being patient, WGB. I don't know what the elusive "constitution" is, but Jimmy mentioned it outright, and a couple of editors said we were having a "constitutional crisis". ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

AQHA Hall of Fame links

Hi Atsme, I hope you're well. I just finished fixing all the broken links caused by the AQHA website redesign. Let me know if I changed anything you would not prefer, and I'll change it back. For example, I just recalled you like to use the Houston, TX type wikilinks instead of Houston, Texas links which I changed on Matlock Rose. I also changed some of the NCHA Hall of Fame links to be more specific as to Rider or Horse, etc. On another note, I've completed the phase of going through the bronc riding book and am going to start a new phase with a new sandbox where I'll be ready for you to be involved...on your own schedule of course. Like you said, that's what is nice about Wiki, no deadline. But as for me, I plan to focus on the bucking horse this week. More later. dawnleelynn^(talk) 22:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, DLL - ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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∯WBG^converse 14:13, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:CEN is now open!

To all interested parties: Now that it has a proper shortcut, the current events noticeboard has now officially opened for discussion!

WP:CEN came about as an idea I explored through a request for comment that closed last March. Recen research has re-opened the debate on Wikipedia's role in a changing faster-paced internet. Questions of WP:NOTNEWS and WP:Recentism are still floating around. That being said, there are still plenty of articles to write and hopefully this noticeboard can positively contribute to that critical process.

Thank you for your participation in the RFC, and I hope to see you at WP:CEN soon! –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, MJL - hope it works out. What I'd really like to see is removal of loopholes and ambiguity in some of our current PAGs, and maybe modify our noticeboards a bit to give them more teeth in upholding policy, such as making comments by uninvolved editors carry the most weight. Another consideration is to elect a team of 5 moderators which may also prove beneficial. It will take some of the pressure off our AE admins who are often forced to act unilaterally to end disruption. I'm of the mind the proposed tweaks and modifications may also help eliminate the rare incidents of admin bias, inadvertent or otherwise, when determining which editor is causing the disruption. It all boils down to one's perspective and ideology, which is why clarity of NPOV is essential - it is a core content policy that should unquestionably take priority in our debates.

While we're encouraged to use biased sources, they shouldn't be used improperly by biased editors who tend to defend their choices as being unbiased. In the dog world, when an owner can't see confirmational faults in their dog, it's called kennel-blind. Per WP:RECENTISM: ...articles should be written from a neutral point of view without editorial bias or article imbalance. There are instances when that isn't happening, and the probable cause is linked to editors either misinterpretating PAGs or purposely attempting to whitewash or create coatracks; the latter of which is supported in numerous dicussions at NPOV/N and BLP/N. We are all aware that social justice/POV warriors are here to promote their agenda, not to build an encyclopedia, and it should be dealt with expeditiously by neutral admins, especially when there's a preponderance of evidence that validates concern. Our job is to get the article right by presenting the material neutrally, dispassionately and accurately, which leaves no room for biased editing. j/s ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

[Thank you for the ping] You should totally put that out there at the noticeboard! This certainly is something that needs wider comment on (at least more than me). Also, I'm not old enough for your talk page according to your editnotice. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 15:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh my - then don't read any of the posts. I think it's only an 18+ rating now. Does that make it "unadulterated"? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations!

One of your amazing images is on the main page. I wasn't sure whether you knew that or not so I am stopping by to tell you that you may want to take a look. It is spectacular. I am going to give myself a treat and look for more of your photos to admire today. You deserve all the things that come with being such a great wikimedian. Best Regards, Barbara ✐✉ 13:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Awww...thank you, Barbara! I didn't know. What a treat and an honor. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

+1. What a gorgeous … and slightly creepy … image. --GRuban (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

+1 Congratulations. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:16, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

• Wow.--MONGO (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

• That puts eating calamari into a fresh perspective; will need a large one of these to force that down. Seriously, excellent work from an admirer in Cymru. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

It does my heart good to share the wonders of the underwater world with others. Thank you all for the kind words. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Spectacular! And the squid is cool too. petrarchan47คุก 19:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. Amid all the real ugliness that has been going around here in recent weeks, I think this is beautiful. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

The picture is professional quality. It's no wonder it is on the main page. More congrats are definitely in order and rightfully deserved. And it's not a one-off; you have many such photographs. dawnleelynn^(talk) 16:49, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Awww...thank you, Dawn - that is so sweet of you!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:22, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

To my trusty ^{( Buttinsky)}s

The voting for 2019 Geology Photo challenge has begun. If you're interested in seeing some pretty cool geological landscapes, rock formations, and the like - wander over there and cast your vote for 3 images. Their voting setup is a bit different from the way we voted for Picture of the Year, but if I can figure it out, I know you can. Happy voting!!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Porygon-Z474

I see you contacted me on my talk page although I cannot find what you wrote. Is there something you needed to talk to me about? Porygon-Z (talk) 21:04, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Porygon-Z474 - that's strange - usually AfC auto posts the info template on your TP - not sure what happened, so I'll post it manually. Sorry about that. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:27, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

It's alright. I did message you back about the article on my talk page. Porygon-Z (talk) 04:40, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Self-awareness DS Alerts

Awilley, JFG - it looks like ArbCom is going to approve my proposal or their modified version of it. The suggestion made by Fæ makes perfect sense, as JFG acknowledged. Question - when modifying the template that pops up when an editor attempts to add an alert, what is the best way to connect a customized DS Alert Notice at the top of a UTP? I am acknowledging that I am permanently aware of ALL DS per WP:Arbitration enforcement log (basically opting out of receiving further DS Alerts and taking full responsibility if I screw-up)? Also, please see the discussion I had with User_talk:GorillaWarfare#Request. Thank you all for your participation. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Galobtter to keep him apprised of the above. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:10, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

They must be crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!--MONGO (talk) 14:18, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

What are you talking about? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 15:36, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't know.--MONGO (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I believe it. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:51, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Staffordshire Bull Terrier

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Staffordshire Bull Terrier you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 01:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Staffie

To be clear I am very supportive of everything you have done to the article and apologise if you feel my last minute suggestions are derailing the GA review. I am also sorry that I have not beeen able to provide more support throughout the process, the recent arrival of a child has somewhat curtailed my wiki activities. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 22:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC).

CONGRATULATIONS, Cavalryman!!! A Blessing has been bestowed upon you!! 🎉🥳 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:41, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Translate or decode?

The word "projjer" - I've seen it twice, but I'm thinking it may be the fault of OCR when the doc was scanned.

• The fish culturist today is a man of science, with a projjer amount of practical experience,....
• then been installed as that which is to be considered the projjer one for the breed.

I thought "proper" but if the program wasn't picking up "p" then the words might have been spelled jrojjer, or maybe not. Your thoughts watchers, Tryptofish, Megalibrarygirl? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 15:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

What a curious phenomenon. (more) I suppose the OCR decides that 'p' is more likely at the beginning of a word. (Though why it would assume that 'jj' is likely is a mystery to me.) Eman235/talk 18:03, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Indeed... ^Atsme _Talk 📧 18:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't know, although it does look like some kind of error to me, rather than a real word. And in further mysteries, the wonderful wiki software never sent me the ping (but of course I watch here anyway). --Tryptofish (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Your request at ARCA

As tempted as I am to phrase this as a DS alert, I'll refrain: Your request at ARCA has been archived and the resulting motion has been carried and enacted. Thanks for a very positive and constructive suggestion. GoldenRing (talk) 12:16, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, GoldenRing - it's the best DS alert I've ever received, and a most welcome one! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Here is a goat..not sure why you might need this but thought I'd try it out. MONGO (talk) 14:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

You have goat to be kidding!! Is there something symbolic here? Are you implying that I'm an old goat, or just a kid? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

No implications at all. Just trying to figure out why they have a selection of Goats available to send as forms of Wikilove...must be some sick mentally deranged folks that set that stiff up.--MONGO (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Goats are cute!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Every goat I ever encountered tried to eat me. A Mountain goat I ran into on a trail tried to push me off cliff...they are all murderous beasts!!!--MONGO (talk) 16:40, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

They're obviously afraid of 500 lb hairy gorrillas. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I milked goats growing up. They're super cute when they're babies. The adults are kind of annoying. ~Awilley (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

They smell really, really baaaaad...but stufato di capretto, muy muy bien!!! 🐑 🐐 🙀 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 13:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

That'll teach you not to tamper with the Holy MOS

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I was told not to watch the Holy Grail, but I watched it anyway! Now I'm really confused - why did that show up on my UTP? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 19:03, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

This was just testing, dahling… Be well. — JFG ^talk 19:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Ohhh, dahling, my dahling mentor...I do enjoy being tested as much as I enjoy learning - and I do hope you picked-up on my humor about Monty Python's Holy Grail. On a serious note, I was curious as to how you were able to replicate/paste that message on my UTP re:the long list it generated. Is it copyable? I attempted to follow your advice about duplicates on that list but encountered a problem. I counted 36 acronyms between the pipes or bars (that offered none of my favorite beverages) and some 38 topics that result. I have no clue why that is happening. Do you? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 20:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Those Zsa Zsa quotes made my day! I'll steal the one about calling people "darling" to mask not remembering their names. And "How many husbands have I had? You mean apart from my own???" She'd be a Twitter Goddess these days. — JFG ^talk 20:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Being almost eastern European, she would escape the wrath of Trump tweets though...I do wish he would shut up already.--MONGO (talk) 21:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

~Cutter~

Nice to meet you~ You know I lived in Grapevine, Texas several years ago ~ around the time that this happened ~ 2000 Fort Worth tornado ~ and I am very familiar , or should I say very close to the article ~ I got your email ~ thanks ~ It will take me time before I really start to look at the links ~ but I am interested ~ especially ~ Boston ~ Atsme ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Mitch - it appears you're familiar with cutting horses? Glad to hear Boston has your interest. I think the WikiConference will be a good venue to get the ball rolling for us to form a group. Hopefully Lane will attend this year, (he also hails from Texas), and can introduce us to people who may be able to help. I have not yet heard back from Kevin. I actually mentioned starting a group at last year's conference in Columbus, OH but was distracted by the main reason I was in Columbus - my daughter was there showing horses at the Congress, a short 10 minutes away from the Conference. Boston will be different, and an event I'm looking forward to attending with a primary focus. This time around, I'll be taking notes, getting names of group organizers, and exchanging ideas with some of our most knowledgable veteran editors. 🥳 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I worked a few ~ here and there but mostly out at the McCall ranch in Bastrop ~ I'm will try to keep Boston as a meet and greet with other wiki people ~ and we will see where we go from there thanks ~mitch~ (talk) 17:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Atsme and hello Mitch! Mitch, I posted a message on your talk page. See you both at WikiConference North America in Boston, November 2019! Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks ~ I got it ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 20:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

You are indefinitely topic banned from Anti fascism, broadly construed.

You have been sanctioned for backsliding into behavior that led to your previous AP topic ban and that you said you were done with in your Feb 2019 appeal. Specifically you said, "...if I ever find myself participating in the AP2 topic area again I will stay on point, present my case with civility while keeping brevity in mind, will answer questions if asked and will maintain my customary polite demeaner at all times." (bolding in original) Despite your commitments to "LETITGO", when someone actually suggested that you "drop the stick" you accuse them of "gaslighting" you. [3] In fact it looks like you've accused at least 4 people of gaslighting you in the past couple of days. [4] [5] [6] [7] You take offense when others accuse you of CIVILPOV pushing, but you're quite liberal in doling out your own accusations of POV pushing [8]. And your behavior at Talk:Antifa_(United_States)#DUE,_BALANCE,_NPOV,_RS and in the following subsection and RfC is a good example of the overbearing approach that was a part of the rationale for the original ban, and that you promised to discontinue.

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. ~Awilley (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

I hope you will take this as a warning shot and recommit to keeping the pledges you made in your unban appeal for the rest of the AP topic area. ~Awilley (talk) 21:09, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

You can't be serious - this is a travesty!!!!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 21:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

And yet, another editor has apologized to Atsme. Seems a pretty fast escalation... some might even call it fascist to muzzle an editor when, as in this case, you've got editors apologizing to her for their behaviour rather than formally complaining about hers. petrarchan47คุก 01:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, and look at the top of my talk page for the full quote from one of the people Atsme was dealing with. "I think the Holocaust deaths may have very well been exaggerated by some...." Sir Joseph ^(talk) 02:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

I am totally innocent of the charges against me. It's either WP:POV railroad or there has been a misinterpretation. I prefer to believe the latter. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Who stated that about the Holocaust deaths were exaggerated?--MONGO (talk) 14:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

• This seems like a mistake. Especially given the context of the comments. It looks like she was not incorrect for the gas lighting comments. I will also note with your last diff, if you read the rest of the thread there they worked it out and apologized over the incident. Given the overall nature of the antifa talk page in general to single her out, even with the previous sanction, seems rather inappropriate given the inaction against anyone else involved. PackMecEng (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
• Awilley It was brought to my attention that my comment about your action was considered to be over the line, and a direct accusation that you are "fascist". I'm sorry if you were upset by my comment, and know that I won't be using the word again on this site with regard to fellow editors or those who have been given the mop. With sincere apologies, petrarchan47คุก 18:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Petrarchan47: No offense taken. I wouldn't have minded if you had called me a fascist directly. It would have made a good addition to User:Awilley#Controversy. ~Awilley (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

FASCIST! petrarchan47คุก 01:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

• This doesn't look quite right. I am rather surprised with this particular boilerplate, I must say. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC)