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Quadell and Christina Aguilera

I just read the stuff you wrote on the Christina Aguilera talk page, and this guy Quadell seems like quite a nutbag to me, even after you've given him the sources of the quotes, he still says it's unsourced! I posted a note on that page myself. It seems like all he does all day is go over pages making sure they strictly ahere to wikipedia's policies, and that everything has a source, which he'll never complete, I've never seen a stricter admin. The snare 22:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Adoption

I liked the way you explained it to me on the Talk:Zac Efron The other guys comments were kinda not nearly as clear.. ive read youe info and i joined the LGBT Project because i know what u guys do and its important especially on a place like Wikipedia with lots of bias.. If you would adopt me i would be quite happy... im pretty active but school is about to start. _____.:!Ninja!:._____ 01:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Transgender Core Topics

Hi. I've added transsexualism and drag king to Core topics. The first is important in its own right. The 2nd is necessary if drag queen is there (otherwise we might get accused of discrimination). :) --AliceJMarkham 13:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Harvey Milk

I won't be putting up another article for FA status. The Tompkins Park article was taken off my watchlist awhile ago. I didn't really care for the process. There were either irrelevant comments, opposes with no comments, or minutia put forth to deny it that, instead of wasting the keystrokes to tell me to de-wikify something, the write could have just de-wikified it. My Wikipedia edits are getting less and less; I watched User:IvoShandor's RfA fail over one (self-admitted) lapse in his editing (out of 20,000 edits, new articles, brilliant collaboration, etc.) sink his RfA. The gleeful judgmentalism was disheartening. It reminded me of a Senate confirmation for the U.S. Supreme Court. Generally, I find Wikipedia more of a frustration than a joy. I'm working on other projects now, and I think Wikipedia's community has become more suited to teenagers pantomiming adult American politicans than a community of good-natured intellectuals. It's just my opinion. I will probably still contribute photographs, but I've limited those contributions as I'm working on a book. In that regard, I'd be happy to obtain a few photographs of HMHS, which was the subject of a law school research paper I wrote. --David Shankbone 14:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

FAC FAQ

Hi Dev. I have the first draft of the FAC FAQ thing we talked about. It's ended up being more of a guidelines' essay than a FAQ section, to be honest. It's pretty long, and I've surely left a lot of important things out, but it's a starting point. ;-) I need to rope help from someone at our translation department here to translate it into English (I can't fathom doing it twice in two different languages), and if you guys give it a look and think it's worth something, we can keep tinkering with it and adding new points and sections. :-) So far at es:wiki an admin has liked it very much, but as I said, it's just a first draft and needs more eyes. Oh, before I forget, the images policy is different in both wikis, and I've included only es:wiki's stance on it. That section will have to be modified here. Well, I'll see if I can get someone to translate it, and I'll keep you posted. Cheers! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I have enlisted a translator already, so hopefully we'll have something relatively soon. As for the google translator, I can more or less figure out the literal translations about the librarians (that's how admins are called at es:wiki) and their notice board, but for the life of me I don't know where the hell the kitchen maid phrase comes from! ;-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 17:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Environmental Barnstar

		The Environmental Barnstar
		Congrats on working so hard to assess articles. I hope you will continue your work to help promote environmental awareness. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey Dev

Thanks! I didn't even realize it. I hate it when other people don't sign their posts, I guess normally I'm busy with something, and rush through my post. I'm sorry. I'll pay more attention now. Thanx. Bryse 18:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

You have mail

-- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dev 920:

sorry if I am doing this wrong, but I don't see anywhere that I can send you a message to. I did an update to the Jake Gyllenhaal page, and surprise surprise, all my work was taken down in one day! (From what I read in the notes, it was done by you I believe.) What is that all about? Who owns this Wiki anyway? the information I put up was correct, and I would like to know if I go to all the time and trouble to correct the changes, will my update be respected? what is going on? That was my second time updating Wiki, the first time was a year ago, to the Brokeback Mountain page, and there too, a whole whack of stuff (not mine, thank goodness!) was deleted. All kinds of good stuff was removed that time (and my one or two small edits as well).

Anyway, I made those corrections to the Jake Gyllenhaal page so that ppl that come here can get find the active fan sites. And why is the Yahoo Group still up and the other two websites taken down? I don't know one Jake fan, and I have been here over a year -- that has ever said a single word about Yahoo Group. ever. Yahoo Group!!??!!!!! NOBODY talks about them. Is it just a coincidence that the two commercial, corporately-owned mediocre miniscule sites for Jake (Yahoo Group and IMDb) get mentioned, and the two private Jake-intensive fan sites with infinite numbers of photos, videos, links, info, etc etc etc etc are treated so shabbily?? Like they don't even exist?!!! Is that what you want for Jake???? And what about IMDb? That's not a fan site. That's a movie database! That's like referring someone to the Yellow Pages!! Why do those two stay up, and the little guys get bumped? This is not right. Can you please reply to me, I guess I will give you my e-mail, no I don't want to put it here, it is too public, I think. I will check back for some kind of comment from you. Can you tell I am freaking out here? Thanks. Marie.

Article Sucks

Yup, that does sound a lot better lol. I'll write to u for advice the next time I find a poorly written article. In any case, nominating something for afd saying it "sucks" is the fastest way to get someone to pay attention to it and fix it when I'm too lazy to do it myself. ;-)

Well either that or the article gets deleted, which in the case of an article like that is no big loss believe me.

BTW hope ur exams went well! :-)

Qwertyca 17:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Future projects

Were the 'articles I am interested in' general information or suggestions of collaboration? If the latter, I am interested in helping with the Stephen Fry article. What does GA stand for? And how do I graduate? Thanks for all your help!

Preferably Moonsky - I'm still so embarrassed about that typo! And would that serve reciprocally to "Dev"? Moonksy29 22:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I will do that once my exams are finished finally. My main problem is formatting shortcuts and I can't for the life of me find on my keyboard that line thingy that you put between the link and the display link - it drives me mad! Maybe thursday. But not now, I am going to bed! :) Moonksy29 22:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Arlene Ackerman prod

Arlene Ackerman has actually previously survived prod[1]. You might try AfD instead. NickelShoe (Talk) 03:06, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you...

use any of these? [2]? I'm pretty sure she's a lesbian, but I can't find anything that says so outright. Grr... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiLove

Jet123 (Talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Jet123 (Talk) 05:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Fluffball70

Hi there! I'm still here. Just taking a little time out, but I will be back soon with a vengance. I already have more ideas for Gay and Lesbian articles. I've given up on the FA thing, because I don't understand the rules.

But I'm a Cheerleader/peer review

Hi, I've tried to clean up the citations a bit on this article, per your suggestion, but I'm struggling a bit. Would be grateful if you could have another look. Thanks --Belovedfreak 14:03, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no problems. I've archived the peer review since it's now a GA (yay!). Will probably put it in for another peer review soon hoping to get it to FA, after I've tweaked it a bit more. Enjoy your holiday! --Belovedfreak 11:52, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA. It was successful, and I am now, may God have mercy on us all, an administrator. Look at all the new buttons! I had heard about 'protect,' 'block user,' and 'delete,' but no one told me about 'kill,' 'eject,' and 'purée.' I appreciate the trust the community has in me, and I'll try hard not to delete the main page or block Jimbo. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

LGB list

Hey, that's ok. I like lists! I do admire your optimism in hoping to reduce it to 0 so soon, it still looks like a very big list to me! I will keep plugging away though, I'm learning about all sorts of people I'd never heard of. --Belovedfreak 11:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

I've sent you E-mail, but you didn't respond to my E-mail. Thanks, Jet123 (talk) 23:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Good to have you back

Just felt like saying it. Hope your exams went well - when do you know, August 16th? Cheers, Moreschi ^Talk 13:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

HMHS

No problem - I have another one of the entire building (I don't think they occupy much of it) that I need to upload; it might be a nicer photo. --David Shankbone 14:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

LGBT WikiProject Newsletter

Delivered on 16:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC).

Dare ya

To a Jumpaclass contest. :-) I know you're on holidays right now, so I'll be a sport and wait until you say you're ready (and have unlimited access to a computer). I'll pick one of those Spanish LGBT stubs (haven't decided exactly which one yet), and we'll see who's able to improve more an article in one week. :-) Doubledare ya! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, feeling sure of ourselves, are we? ;-) July 29th sounds good, it'll give me plenty of time to finish an article I'm working on anyway. Then I can perhaps teach you a lesson in manners or two. ;-D See ya! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 15:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Articles

List the articles that you consider so bad that Wikipedia shouldn't keep them. It would help out the project! - ~VNinja~

Talk page - ~VNinja~ 17:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Re Blida airport

I thank you for your expansion. It is worth keeping now. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome Dev. You too. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 23:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Dev, when you have some time, could you please try rewording "jumped with his trout rod strapped to his leg"? The reference uses the same wording. Thanks in advance. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 01:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary

I made a mistake when giving a last warning someone for spamming. I didn't enter an edit summary and think that messes a mess. Do you think that is fine?

Regards,

Jet123 (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S.

I sent you E-mail.

A star for you

For making me laugh on User talk:Jimbo. :) —  $PЯIПGrαgђ  20:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

"I guess a more relevant question is not 'Why does Wikipedia host porn?' but 'Why am I so obsessed with porn I feel the need to "take a stand" against encylopedically written articles on it?'" I guess it just sounds too much like me to not be funny. :) —  $PЯIПGrαgђ  20:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Poppy Z. Brite

Oh, Sorry! I did not notice that there was a separate list. I'll not do that in the future! Thanks for letting me know.  :) Aleta 11:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

I sent you E-mail. Jet123 (talk) 03:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

ALA info

Any way you can get ahold of:

• American Library Association Gay and Lesbian Task Force. Famous or Distinguished Gays, Lesbians and Bisexuals: A List of Names, July 1992.

?? I found a ref to it on "The Out List". Maybe they have an updated list with refs? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sarcasm

Hi. I would like to know from you whether your comment on Jimbo's talk page was really sarcastic. Bielle said on my talk page that it was. You can see the thread here. A.Z. 01:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Brian Sewell

I'm sorry to get the impression that you are annoyed by my questioning whether Brian Sewell is gay. I have now read the c.9,000-word article by Andrew Barrow, 'A full life: nothing if not critical', The Independent on Sunday, 28.ix.2003, which makes a few of references to his suspected homosexuality (forgive me if you find the term objectionable). I can only reiterate that the meagre evidence available had previously seemed to suggest the opposite. I know that other people who saw his Naked Pilgrim and Grand Tour series reached the same conclusion as me.--Oxonian2006 21:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Bradford

I'm up for trying to start it, but not sure if theirs enough interest Wikiproject Yorkshire seems quiet most of the time. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 12:56, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Will give it a try when I have time @ work right now. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 13:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

No it's not

I helped write it in Spanish, and will do the same in English. Hee hee. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 18:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I think mine is pretty borderline, but if you wanna tag it as Start I won't complain. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 14:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Tsk tsk. You're gonna have more days than me to improve the article, just so you know, because I'm leaving for Switzerland the 2nd of August. So quit whining! ;-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd appreciate that. :-) You can finish before me and I'll use up those extra days I miss later? I think I know now how to set up a temporary irc channel, btw. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 21:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You sure? I'll be back the 15th, that's a long time. I might get ahold of a computer at some point during my holidays, but I'm not counting too much on it. About the irc channel... it's terribly temporary, as in, if I'm not online it ceases to exist. :-P We have to register it so it becomes official I've been told. I'm thinking, #LGBTproject sounds good for a name? Cheers and welcome back from wherever you went on vacation. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! ;-) Let the show begin! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 23:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Just keep sweetening the pot, why don't ya? ;-) Btw, kudos from the Spanish wiki irc channel for your 'statement'! They wanted me to nominate you for RfA just because of it, interested? ;-) Some of them were pretty enraged about that user saying those things without consequences. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 00:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

It is kinda weird that he can say such things so freely and without getting some sort of admin warning. And you know, your last RfA was *ages* ago, you should start thinking about just biting the bullet and going for it again. :-) There's no way those 'Muslim'-related and Tory-project opposes are still relevant, right? But I kinda understand, opposes do hit one kinda hard, no matter how mild... :-P Nonetheless, I think your chances would be pretty good. Btw, you're sooooo gonna lose the jumpaclass contest, sleepyhead! X-D Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:30, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna see how I should set up the RfA before you change your mind! :-P Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, Dev, Jet123's nom doesn't really count as your second one, right? I can overwrite it? Raystorm (¿Sí?) 10:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Email. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 11:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:John Waters

You should take a look at your own counterexample, Angelina Jolie - the only picture that is truly non-unique is the one at the Washington D.C. photo op, and I would say that it doesn't belong in the article. The rest of the photos are from different TV and movie appearances. Just providing a counterexample, even if it were valid, doesn't make for a cogent argument anyway.--DLand^TALK 18:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I would. :) My point was that precedent doesn't make it right - see WP:WAX for a similar point in the context of deletion discussion. Either way, I don't care enough about this whole issue to make a big stink about it - or to risk any bad feelings between us editors, for that matter - but I still stand by my position.--DLand^TALK 19:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Eva Attling

Hi there,

http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/9902/04/eva.html

Aftonbladet is a popular Swedish tabloid (The Mirror is the closest thing we have here) and this article talks about their marriage and relationship. Do you need it translating? I am off to Sweden in the next couple of days so it might be a week or so before I can get it done. Hope this is ok Intesvensk 00:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Pedophilia brigade continue to work their magic on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Positive_friendships_between_men_and_boys_in_literature_and_film
--David Shankbone 00:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments on But I'm a Cheerleader

Ah thanks! I have been looking through a load of FA films and FA nominations, including some of yours, and I must say I'm pretty overwhelmed by the idea of getting an article to FA class. Hopefully I will get there eventually... --Belovedfreak 11:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Requests for Adminship/Dev920 (2nd nom)

Please accept the nomination and answer the questions at the RfA page at your leisure. :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:02, 29 July 2007 (UTC) Still having trouble with Jet123's previous nom.

Jake's pig source

Jake Gyllenhaal was a featured article, and I'm not sure that one weird, casual comment on his part merits inclusion in the article. But if you're so sure, you could at least format the citation in accordance with the style of the page. Thank you. --Melty girl 19:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you owned the Jake Gyllenhaal article, and no engagement with others' opinions is required of you. I stand corrected. --Melty girl 02:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

You misunderstood me, so I will try again without sarcasm. I made two points to you, first, my opinion that something you added to Jake Gyllenhaal was trivial (therefore potentially against Wiki policy), second that you did not format a citation in accordance with the page's format. Your answer to me -- "I wrote the article, please don't try to tell me how to format its references" -- indicated that you feel that you can take or leave Wikipedia policy as you wish. Hence my sarcastic response above. If you want people to respond to you well, don't take this kind of high and mighty attitude. Your work on the article is commendable, but it's the article itself that's important, not you -- and you are not infallible. It may be a small issue, but you don't have a special right to ignore the citation format, and it's wrong for you to snap at other Wikipedians who bring potential errors to your attention. The article is everyone's, and you should be pleased that someone else cares about preserving its quality. --Melty girl 20:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I already cleaned up the citation (and the quote) yesterday. --Melty girl 22:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I've never talked to you before, but I was very surprised to see your RfA (I always assumed you were already an admin). Looking at your previous RfA, it seems you and I have much in common politically (I too am an active Conservative) and I just want to say that I definitely think you should be an admin, and I think the opposes on your current RfA are predominantly petty and poorly-supported. I hope your RfA passes, but if not, I would love to nominate you for a third attempt in a few months' time. Walton^One 20:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't sure if you received this message, as you haven't replied. Walton^One 17:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I know how you feel - in my second RfA I was opposed for referring to one MfD nomination as "ludicrous and pedantic". (Fortunately I still passed.) All of us who participate actively in discussions have made one or two comments from time to time that, taken out of context, could be seen as incivil; sadly, the nature of the RfA process is such that one age-old mistake can bring down otherwise great candidates, and people are likely to pay more attention to one bad diff than to years of productive editing. I've seen this kind of thing happen time and time again. Like I said, I hope you pass, but if not I'll nominate you next time round. Walton^One 14:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Walton^One has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
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Maggie Gyllenhaal!!

A random note (after opposing your adminship candidacy- sorry): You have met Maggie Gyllenhaal, and I am insanely jealous. -- Kicking222 01:15, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

"Leader of the gay cabal."

ROFLMAO!!! You GO, Dev! Hahaha. BTW, though I don't get to drop in on the LGBT Project as often as I'd like, I think you've done a helluva great job with it, and I'm proud to be a far-off associate of all your hard work. Shoot, I'd vote for you as Life President of the Cabal--or better yet, Queen? Where's the Nom form for that? lol  ;-) --Textorus 07:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right, an election would be quite out of order. It would be much more fitting to follow WP:CONS and simply declare you, in the time-honored phrase, "our undoubted Queen." I'll start working on an Accession Council right now, Maj.  :-D --Textorus 22:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Usurp

Hi Dev920. I'm going to usurp my username to Jet. Jet (talk) 00:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA

It is disheartening to watch the holier-than-thou clique at RfA ruin yet another good candidate's chance at helping the project because they still live in a world where everything is flowers and candy. Some of the opposes are utterly absurd, as if adminship were the Holy Grail of Wikipedia and somehow one must be perfect to be able to delete articles and wield a mop. They think you're incivil Dev, ha, the things I am thinking about saying (but won't) to the opposers on RfA are incivil, you're just opinionated and prefer not to gloss over that fact for the sake of someone's fragile psyche and self-esteem. I respect this even if people who edit Pokemon articles all day long can't. Your composure and civility during you're RfA prove you more the worthy of said designation. Good luck with everything else and happy editing. IvoShandor 14:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

File:Resilient-silver.png		The Resilient Barnstar
		I also want to bestow this upon you, considering your RfA, you've earned it. IvoShandor 14:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Aww. Thanks. That's nice of you. I meant what I said here and at your RfA. I had myself a similar experience so don't let it drag you down. You are a valued contributor indeed.  : ) IvoShandor 17:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd just like to add a 'me too' to everything IvoShandor said :) Civility is nice, but not the be all and end all, and I prefer administrators who say what they really think and aren't afraid to tell people when they're being stupid. Kamryn · Talk 22:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Will there be a Dev920 3?Proabivouac 08:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that, Dev, and I hope you reconsider. I didn't mean to turn on you, and hope you don't think I did…it was just so frustrating seeing you do exactly what they were nagging you about. You have a lot of admirers, you know.Proabivouac 08:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Might interest you to know

I've nominated an LGBT character article for FA status, here. Could you leave some input?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 23:48, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I did not get it

Thanks for the message, but I did not understand it. What is an FLC? Haiduc 00:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA was unsuccessful

I have closed your RfA. I am afraid there was no consensus to promote you. Please address the concerns, and feel free to reapply in the future. Good luck. --Deskana (banana) 17:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry it didn't work out, Dev. But do hang in there and apply again! You've worked tremendously hard and done lots of good wikithings; you'd be a fine admin.--Textorus 17:16, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand completely.--Textorus 17:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry your RFA failed. Politics rule 18:20, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear it. :( — $PЯINGεrαgђ 21:06, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I know this is the last thing you want to hear right now, but they do say third time's the charm... I don't doubt for a second you'll be an admin someday. Big hugs Raystorm (¿Sí?) 14:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to see they pooed on you again, honeybunch. Talk about casting your pearls before swine. I was away on vacation and just saw how it (didn't) work out. Fuck 'em, Dev. You don't need adminship to confirm to those of us who know you how much you've improved this damn place. With much love from your biggest fan, Jeffpw 20:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I concur with Jeff, those people are assholes. IvoShandor 21:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Reference desk

Hi Dev. I got this message from an Wikipedian that I violated some rules at the reference desk. Here the message;

Please don't post polemics disguised as questions, as you did here. The reference desk is not a soapbox. Friday (talk) 18:54, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you think I broke the rules? Jet (talk) 21:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I think your question was OK. A.Z. 22:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A gallery

Hehehe. I was afraid of that. I can tell you why I did it though: if you set your computer monitor to 800x600 pixels, that's how it displays on my computer and that is even less aesthetically pleasing than the gallery. I sometimes forget that the way I can see these buggers is not the way most people have it displaying on their computer. I did up the screen resolution to 1024x768 (only two choices on my computer!) to take a look at how you all are probably seeing it - that's actually really good the way it is. Sorry 'bout that. Hope the scrolling reflist helped, at least. ZueJay (talk) 00:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Article on the color Lavender

I would suggest you ought to get together a group of people to monitor the article I wrote on the color Lavender. Someone who is apparently homophobic keeps deleting the "politics", "romantic love", and "sexuality" subsections of the "lavender in human culture section" (the three subsections about gays). Since I can't monitor the article all the time, I would suggest some of you monitor the "lavender (color)" article every few days to make sure those three sections aren't deleted. Best wishes, Keraunos 06:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Last to dos on Austin Nichols

Hello Dev. Note that the Nichols article has been gone over by a couple of people. Some of the refs have been tagged; I think it's because where there are direct quotes, a precise url is needed rather than a general site link. There's also a couple of buried questions regarding what happened in what year. With this stuff done, the FA review can be closed. Best, Marskell 07:52, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Dev! It was really Marskell who wrapped it all up. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message

Thanks for the nice message; I am back. I think I need to learn better coping skills on here. --David Shankbone 13:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

E-mail

Hi Dev. You got mail. Jet (talk) 02:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:AN Discussion

Hey I saw your comments on the WP:CVU discussion. I don't think you're an edit warrior at all Dev. People just all have their opinions about these controversial Wikiprojects and the strenuous MFDs some of them have faced. No one is out to sully the name of any user in these discussions. I posted that notice on WP:AN because I was concerned that we were going to have a can of worms being opened very soon, once more and more Wikipedians notice the red links at pages like Wikipedia:Vandalism and Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism. Don't get too hurt by the criticisms people may make toward yourself or others on the goings on of that painful MFD. We all are eventually criticized for any move we make, whether it be here on Wikipedia or real life. Best just to take it openly or ignore it if it seems not at all true.¤~Persian Poet Gal ^(talk) 23:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Romaine Brooks

Not for a while, anyway. I have limited Wikipedia time right now and a lot of other articles I should be working on. —Celithemis 01:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

FLC Closing

In re: your question about closing the discussion on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people/A, the 10 days aren't up until 23:00 on the 11th, which leaves another day or so. Great list, BTW. Geraldk 19:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

From James Nightshade

Dev: Well, I did my two presentations at Wikimania. The first one on Friday, the panel discussion with four Taiwanese college students, went great. It was a good discussion and the audience was into it. The debate about the value of Wikipedia is going on in some circles of Taiwanese education, between students and teachers, and we made our little mark.

My presentation on Saturday, my "big" paper--"Bright Air, Brilliant Fire: The Mind of Wikipedia" did not go as well. It seems that most of the audience (of maybe 20) was in there to rest on a hot day, and not really to see my presentation. Oh well, you win some, you lose some. If you were interested (few seem to have been), the paper can be found on one of the Wikimania pages: http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Newimages&until=20070729171734

All the best, and talk to you later.

Mr Cheetah???

??? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 22:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

When you get a minute, take a look at W-Z and let me know if you think it's ready for FAC? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It just makes me mad

Or at least frustrated anyway. And in general that's a good way to describe a lot of the folks who consistently oppose from poorly constructed glass houses. That's all. Not that it's that big deal. Good luck in the future. IvoShandor 22:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Hail to the Chief

Yes, I watched the gay forum. Though I still support Hillary, I was impressed with both Kucinich and gravel. I might vote for Kucinich in the California primary--people say he's not electable, but if everybody voted for who s/he wanted to win, and not who s/he thought would win, we might have a different President in the White House today.

Don't let the bastards get you down, sweetie. Some of us here love you to pieces, and know what a valuable contribution you make to this Godforsaken place. Jeffpw 06:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I saw the highlights too in CNN. *Shakes head* Who was the guy who said it was a choice??? I loved Melissa there. *Grin* Only two were in favour of gay marriage, shucks. Anyway, I suscribe everything Jeff has said, including his great edit summary, hee hee. ;-) Love, Raystorm (¿Sí?) 09:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC) Remember we have a contest going on when I come back!

Nichols review

No problem helping with the review. Glad it was kept. It must be annoying knowing a link worked once upon a time only to find it dead. Cheers, Marskell 13:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Opinion?

Jacques Teyssier - notable? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Andrew

Trust me, it isn't a threat, it's a promise. The article thoroughly disgusts me that it managed to get FA status on the quality and comprehensiveness that it is. I saw the page that was when it was voted, and it wasn't any better. Fictional characters do not get write-ups like biographies, which is what this article does. Not only does the IU information outweigh the OOU information 2 to 1, maybe more, but the article doesn't even give information about how the character came to be, and is riddled with original research. I haven't had the time to actually sit down and log everything wrong with the article to do a proper FAR, and I was mentioning it to another editor who took the liberty of tagging the article themselves. But now that I see people actually believe an article should look like this an still be FA status, you can be assured that I will thoroughly read over the article with every criteria of being FA.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please don't be rude to other editors, as you were to Bignole on his talk page. I realise that you care about this character and that his history is important, but Bignole is right. Other FA fictional characters such as Jabba the Hutt and Padmé Amidala have concise "Appearances" section as opposed to long character histories. The Jack Harkness article, another LGBT television character with about three years of history who is being put up for FA, has also recently conformed to this example and is more accessible to non-fans as a result. You might want to look at my sandbox for the Buffy Summers character. While far from complete, I have managed to condense her history into a relatively brief "Television appearances" section, and she has four more years of far more detailed history than Andrew. The Andrew article looks fine to me with the exception of this section, and the OOU info is impressive for a minor television character. Just try not to get into fights with other editors. :) Paul730 22:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but telling him you hope he will become a better person was a little rude, you have to admit. I know Bignole can be a little blunt sometimes, but seriously, listen to what he had to say. At the end of the day, we're only editing Wikipedia, it's not life or death. The more we help each other, the better the article will be, so let's learn to play together, okay? That goes for you too, Bigs, if you're listening. :P Paul730 22:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Andrew

Andrew Van De Kamp has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

See honey? This is why I rarely edit here anymore. The dicks outweigh the collegial editors 10 to one here. It's not good for one's blood pressure or general frame of mind to contribute within this venomous nest of adders. That said, if you decide to cooperate with the Inquisition, you know you can count on me for support, both practical and moral. One more time: Don't let the bastards get you down. Jeffpw 09:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Hey Dev, good news. :-) We now have the IRC channel we talked about. More info on that here, but let me know when you'll log in so I can give you OP powers (as the coordinator of the project). :-) I'll be hanging around today at odd times, perhaps we'll meet there (I don't expect much people being today the first day it exist, although there are three people there now haha). I've found the IRC channels wickedly helpful in the past, so I hope this one works out too. Cheers Raystorm (¿Sí?) 12:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Would you...

take a look at Evan Adams? I can't find a source other than the movie mentioned (and I'm not going to try to rent an independent Canadian film!). Tks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Haha, yes!

/me does the big-point-won-in-tennis-match celebration: punch the air double-fisted and noisily shout "Come on!!" Well done, that's superb! Magnificent results! May I ask which institution of higher education (if any) you are planning to grace with your presence? Anyway, a resounding bravo! Cheers, Moreschi ^Talk 09:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Advice?

Thank you for agreeing to the adoption! I have (I think) joined the LGBT group and had a go at looking at the list of pages that had been picked up by the bot for having LGBT keywords.

However many of them are not related to LGBT and i was wondering if i should remove them from the list, and if so should i just do that by the standard page edit or do the individual pages need to be tagged/untagged in some way? Pi 13:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Peej

Thanks and best of luck! That would obviously be the best way to resolve this and I appreciate you taking the initiative to try to work with them. --ElKevbo 16:17, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

James Robert Baker

Well, you´re a born leader, honey! You took out the main image from this article last night/ early this morning, and I guess forgot to put it back. Shortly thereafter somebody followed your example, and deleted ALL the images. I have restored it to how it was before the evening´s festivities. Jeffpw 11:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Lanny Barby AFD

Your AFD on Lanny Barby is improperly. Do you wish to put her up for deletion? Or did you change your mind partway through? Tabercil 12:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Tatamkulu Afrika

Considering Tatamkulu Afrika...

• He doesn't claim to be heterosexual, though he doesn't claim being anything else, either.
• His writing (autobiography?) definitely includes LGBT themes, and even homosexuality.
• We don't seem to have any references from anyone else about his relationships.

I'm kinda inclined to leave him alone and not put him on the LGBT lists - at least until if/when another source claims something. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

With the exception of Nancy Adair (because one of us has *got* to have her book), I've placed Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Category unsourced on all the entries in our "very difficult to source" list. In a week (or two, or three) one of us should go through and review. I think that should do it, don't you? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 07:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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Jake Gyllenhaal lead edit war

If you care to weigh in, there is a minor edit war going on regarding the appropriateness of mentioning Jake's awards in the lead. 17Drew is being very persistent about removal, but I don't think his arguments support his position. Did this lead make it through the FAC process? --Melty girl 23:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

No, this is what it looked like. 17Drew 23:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations on Jake Gyllenhaal being featured on the front page today! I guess it realy is worthwhile when an article get's FA status. Amazing to think that your worlds are being seen on the frontpage by over 300,000 people :S. That's pretty damn amazing actualy, well done! (Pi 15:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC))

Text of WP:HARASS#Posting_of_personal_information

Posting another person's personal information (legal name, home or workplace address, telephone number, email address, or other contact information, regardless of whether or not the information is actually correct) is harassment, unless that editor voluntarily provides or links to such information himself or herself. This is because it places the other person at unjustified and uninvited risk of harm in "the real world" or other media. This applies whether or not the person whose personal information is being revealed is a Wikipedia editor. It also applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives.

Please don't criticize me simply because I wish to minimize the number of death threats and obscene emails and phone-calls I receive. Shankbone is misrepresenting my position: I have not asked for Michael Moore's website to be delinked permanently. I have simply asked for policy to be enforced evenly, and for on-wiki editors not to use my real name on-wiki. He has also misrepresented the facts in several other regards, but I won't bore you with the details. THF 20:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Your response seems to severely misunderstand my 20:31 comment. I am not talking about off-wiki links. I am talking about on-wiki violations of on-wiki policy by on-wiki users posting my personal information in talk-page comments and saying that it is okay because of the fact that other people know this information already. WP:HARASS is quite clear that the policy "applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives."THF 20:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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Movie

Went and saw Death at a Funeral and laughed a good bit. Maybe it was the film, or, sigh, maybe it was the night... --David Shankbone 04:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Would you consider leaving Hypnosadist a note on his talk page that you mentioned him at WP:AN/I? It would be a nice courtesy, and perhaps would tone down some of the bad blood that is going around.  :-) --Iamunknown 20:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it might be good if you removed the post. Other editors are suggesting he quit the histrionics, and we should wait for a while before another WP:AN/I imbroglio.  ;-) --Iamunknown 20:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your comment on the AFD of the Ted Frank article

Of everything that was posted pro or con, I thought that your concise comment was the clearest and most-well reasoned. I've watched a number of articles stripped of content, then nominated for deletion because of lack of content, then using that deletion as the primary reasoning for not allowing the article to exist in the future, even when more content is available. I'd hate to see the Frank article go in that direction. Thanks for cutting through the silly agendas! Ossified 20:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. You were brilliant. :) I'm not going to vote though, unless THF votes (unless policy prevents people from voting about their own articles, which I would unserstand). —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. That makes it hard to vote "[vote] per THF." ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

…which I do. Which is also why I'm not voting, since why would I vote saying, "I am not voting"? :P —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Ted Frank

Hi, I am working on three other projects today (see my contribs), but will get to that ASAP on Monday or Tuesday. Bearian 22:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I added myself. Now as I was saying... Bearian 22:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Dev920, just a note to say I replied to your concern on my talk (I didn't see your note at the top until after I already posted it. :-)). ATren 23:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

obesity litigation

N.B. The wikipedia format {{SSRN|926536}}, which appears as SSRN 926536, and provides a better link (as well as an abstract for a more accurate description of the article). THF 01:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

wikified

I wikified the article a bit. I do not see any major problems with it, which is why the nom for AfD is so weird. Anyway, I really want to add Pharmaceutical diversion to the "See also" list, but I'll never get the mop if I do that! ;-) 01:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

an/i apology

I apologize if my request was poorly phrased and that I misunderstood you, or I would have clarified sooner. I meant it as a request going forward, not as an accusation of wrongdoing. I was surprised to have my real name popping up on my watchlist on a thread that had nothing to do with me, and my perturbation perhaps came through too strongly in my wording. THF 04:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

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Oops

Hello Dev

I've been busy with work and school, so I have't been visiting wikipedia too often lately. :(

Anyways, yea I think I am ready to be unadopted lol, although I'd like to remain friends (is there something like that on WP?).

I see you're inactive for the moment, so best of luck to you for whatever you're doing, and I'll talk to you when your'e back.

Qwertyca 18:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Done! :-D Qwertyca 21:34, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Larry Craig

Since Jeffpw seems peeved at me, I figured I'd add my additional 2 cents here, assuming you don't mind. Another reason for the tag would be his vocal opinions about the rights (or lack thereof) of the LGBT community. Ben Hocking ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Brokeback Mountain

So I went and looked up any review from 2005. Here are three major reviews that pan the use of the phrase "gay cowboy" in BB, calling the use an over-simplification and a disservice to the love story involved: http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/6169704/brokeback_mountain http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051215/REVIEWS/51019006/1023 http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/09/review.brokeback/index.html

The media did not universally refer to the film this way, and in fact, neither of the characters defined themselves in this way. The phrase wasn't in use in the 1960s, the whole issue of the film wasn't what to call themselves, but how to deal with the relationship they had. No matter what the supposed orientation of the characters was, they were both involved in relationships with women and were struggling with societal norms at the time. That puts the issue into a much more complicated light than simply gay cowboy. This has been discussed at length in the talk section. The phrasing that replaced gay cowboy in the lead of this article was much more descriptive of the plight both of the characters were experiencing. Working in this phrase seems to me to be much more a political agenda than it is an interest in representing the core story of the film. What I wrote is more balanced and descriptive and has met from no other opposition in this other than in your reversion. Wildhartlivie 14:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I did not say that no media used that term, however I pointed you to an article which only used that phrase in the context of demonstrating how the media trivialized the story. You asserted that the media, as a whole, used it to describe the film. You don't be silly, the point in that article is that the film isn't about the issue of sexual orientation as much as it as about a love story, period. Again, this appears to be more of a political issue than an interest in portraying the film for what it is. In comment to the poster in the section below this, what was used in the 1960s is quite relevant, since the film depicts the culture of that time, not in 2005. Wildhartlivie 15:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

"Gay cowboy"

I had a Jake Gyllenhaal edit war that I recently lost on the "gay cowboy" issue -- did you get a chance to check out the talk page yet? Very frustrating. Sadly, it resulted in what you just (rightly) changed. And this new commenter: "The term 'gay' wasn't even used in the 1960s" -- this was a 2005 film! Hello?! --Melty girl 14:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The problem, of course, with the "scare quotes because someone wrote it" approach is that it explicitly prohibited by WP's MoS. See Wikipedia:Words to avoid for more information on writing according to WP standards. Please leave off sticking in some bad characterization because it "sounds cute" or whatever the rationale du jour is for poor writing. LotLE×talk 07:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Essjay controversy FAC

Well, having been one of the (far too many) editors who worked to develop a stable, more or less NPOV version of this article, I have to say I'm a bit flattered. On the other hand, I have to wonder what you see in the article that makes you feel it's one of the "best of the best." You've got a lot more experience in article development than do I, so I'd appreciate your insights. Thanks. Risker 19:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments, Questions, Notes

• How's "B" coming along? Almost ready for FLC?
• More women's pics for "T"?
• Let me know when the newsletter is ready and I'll send it out.
• I've been trying to catch you on IRC, but we haven't been on at the same time. I'm about to head out for a minute - will you be around in 1/2 an hour? I'll check in on the LGBT channel.
• I haven't read his article, but is Giorgio Armani's sexuality really disputed? It says so on the list.

TTYL -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 20:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you on now? Cuz I don't see you there... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

That Lotus guy

In my mind, he seems to have overshot the 3rr, after I warned him he was at his limit. Why don't you have a look at the edit he made, my warning, and his reply to see what action, if any, you want to make. Jeffpw 19:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

FAC and Essjay

FYI - I know you've been working on getting the Essjay article up to FA status. I archived it from the FAC early during my archiving/promoting tonight because I feel the current nomination has basically no chance of getting a consensus to promote. You've gotten lots of feedback about the article from which to make improvements. I don't normally leave these kinds of message, but this was an exceptional case and I didn't want you to feel discouraged Raul654 07:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Workshop.

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Will you mentor me?

Hello, I am a Gay activist member of Queer Nation and believe in outing. I am a social activist too who had a friend murdered by a CIA backed death squad in Latin America. I have had some problems here on Wiki for my beliefs and because English is not my first langauge, and other things. I have been called homophobic for believing in outing Larry Craig, Matt Drudge, Matt Sanchez, Merv Griffin and others and was in trouble just a few days ago for using the word Queer! Will you be my mentor? Thanks. •smedleyΔbutler• 22:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)