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• Why did you change the spelling on Sarobi District to Surobi District? The official seems to be Sarobi? --Bejnar (talk) 07:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Wuluswālī-ye Sarōbī

The non-English official version of the name seems to be "Wuluswālī-ye Sarōbī", English Sarobi District. Would you have any objection to changing it back? --Bejnar (talk) 07:58, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I will not have objection. سروبي is transliterated in various ways in different sources, most commonly "Surobi", "Sarobi", "Sorubi" etc. but in Surobi District (Kabul) (same name) we were using "Surobi" already. Either of the names can be used here. Khestwol (talk) 11:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for joining! You may also be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan, Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan or Wikipedia:WikiProject Khyber Pakhtunkhwa since you edit articles related to these areas. Happy editing, Mar4d (talk) 05:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation! Khestwol (talk) 18:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Kushan Empire

Why are you removing some of the other religions from the Kushan Empire article? You don't trust Abdul Hai Habibi? Why are you putting Peshawar first when the first capital they built was near Kabul in Bagram, Afghanistan, at a time when they did not even visit Peshwar? They did not conquer territory from the east to the west but arrived from the north and conquered what is present-day Pakistan and then India.--Nasir Ghobar (talk) 17:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

You're right sir and I agree with you, however the empire reached its zenith during Kanishka's rule. According to Reddy's "General Studies History 4 Upsc", page A-62: "Kanishka's territory evidently included Afghanistan and the adjoining parts of Central Asia. According to Hiuen Tsang, Kanishka ruled his vast empire from his capital Purushapura or Peshawar." I think, being the primary capital, Peshawar should stay on top of the capital list like it did before your edits to the artice.

I'm adding Abdul Hai Habibi's source to the article. "Worship of Sun" is actually worship of Surya as Abdul Hai Habibi states, I'm linking it to its own article.. Khestwol (talk) 00:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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thank you for this edit, [1].-- altetendekrabbe  20:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Pathans in Bengal

Do you know much about Pashtuns who settled in Bengal i.e. are there communities of Pathan ancestry in Bengal? Just to clarify, I went through a recent edit of yours at Taj Khan Karrani and it struck me whether there should be an article on the historical presence of Pashtuns in Bengal. After all, we have many articles on Pashtun communities in the Indian subcontinent eg. Pathans of Punjab, Pathans of Uttar Pradesh, Pathans of Bihar, Pathans of Gujarat etc. An article on the Pathans of Bengal would make a very interesting topic that I may possibly contribute to. I'll plead ignorance though while I'm writing this, since I do not have much background knowledge of this area, just an interest. If you know anything, I'd be interested in feedback. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 13:33, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Sure, there should be new articles on Pathans of Bengal, Pathans of Bangladesh, and the Karrani dynasty. Regards, Khestwol (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Language Map of Khyber Pukhtukhwa

Hello,I see you are a member of Pashtun projects. If you know about the subject, you should also know that the maps you keep re-instating is completely wrong. As i stated earlier in multiple talk pages, the map is showing majority pashto speaking areas such as Karak District, Shangla District, Battaggram District, Toorghar District and Buner District as Hindko Speaking, while Tank District is being shown as Saraiki Speaking. The map is of a very bad quality and extemely in accurate, so one wonders why was it allowed to be used in the first place. Also if you are a member of Pashtun project you should yourself be aware that the map being used is inaccurate amd should be removed or replaced. Tigerkhan007 (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2013 (UTC) File:Map of Languages of Kyber Pakhtunkha Province.jpg

Marrakech

I disagree with your spelling, Berber and French is Marrakech and its spelled like that in a lot of English sources too. Google book searching either title came up with 3 times more results for Marrakech than Marrakesh. Anyway I'll commence work on it tonight, by the end of the week should be looking a lot better!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

OK, I asked user:Al Ameer son for input. (Marrakech is French spelling, not Berber.) Khestwol (talk) 20:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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Your input is needed

I noticed that you did, at one point, post some comments on Template talk:Infobox Muslim scholar. I'd like to hammer things out a bit to make the template clearer for readers. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

Did you mean Parallel universe or Parallel world? There is no mention of world on the talk page. See WP:RM#Technical requests. Apteva (talk) 05:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Never mind. Apteva (talk) 05:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Converted to RM to allow discussion at Talk:Parallel universe (fiction)#Article name. Apteva (talk) 05:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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Evening Prayer

Could you be more careful with your edits? The evening prayer (without any capital letters) in Islam is called Maghrib and has an article under that name, correctly titled, and with no redirect. So it is not the primary meaning of "Evening Prayer" (with two capital letters) which happens to be the established name of an Anglican church service. You cannot force a translated word as the primary meaning, when the name is in most specific use. It is culturally rude. I have restored the name Maghrib, along with the other terms used by other non-Anglicans.Amandajm (talk) 01:33, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Murghab River

Hello Khestwol. I did the technical move of Morghab River (Afghanistan) to Murghab River as you requested, but there was an existing page also called Murghab River. It is now at Murghab River (disambiguation). Can you please take a look and see if the DAB is reasonable? If you believe it's unnecessary it can be made into a link to Murghab River, but it shouldn't be deleted because its history needs to be kept. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello EdJohnston. I copyedited both the disambiguation pages Murghab River (disambiguation) and Murghab, and also added a link to Murghab in the see also section of Murghab River (disambiguation). Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 07:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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What picture is appropriate for the "Afghan" article?

I noticed your recent edit to the Afghan article. Please feel free to weigh in on the discussion at Afghan#What picture is appropriate?. --Bejnar (talk) 20:18, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Pages "Pashtun People" and "Pashtun diaspora" being trivialized

Hello, just wanted to involve you in unsubstantiated information being introduced into the pages "Pashtun people" and "Pashtun diaspora". Numbers that are being fabricated to raise the population of Pashtun in India to over 11 million without any such information in the Indian census. Also comments such as: "Yes the two Indian women are not Pathan but the point in this is that nearly all Pashtuns (especially Pashtun/Pathan) women are so much in love with Bollywood films and they see Indian female celebrities something as role models.)" and "Pashtuns, especially their females, love watching Indian films and dramas."

Ill leave it to your discretion to fix this. Tired of getting into an edit battle with a couple of users.184.175.27.29 (talk) 20:27, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

See discussion at User talk:Jackmcbarn#Why are you warning me? regarding this. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Brother, please watch user: Nasirakram1440 He continues to deface the "Pashtun People" page with misinformation adding that the Pashtun are "Iranian" Also attempting to remove the sited information: "Pashtuns are considered a warrior or Martial race" (which can be easily sourced with one Google search). These people are all envious of our great history.

And your reliable sources for " The Pashtun are from a mixed Hebrew and or/ Greek background depending on tribe" are? Dougweller (talk) 05:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Fall of Granada article

Hello Khestwol. Are you planning on expanding the Fall of Granada article? If so, that's great, but as is, it doesn't say anything that isn't already at Granada War#Last_stand_at_Granada, so a merge seems pretty safe. Also, I'm not sure if I'd say "no consensus for the change" - if you look at the history of the article, you can see that others wanted to delete the article entirely. SnowFire (talk) 16:41, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey SnowFire. The Fall of Granada is an important event that according to some historians marked the end of the Islamic Golden Age. The article should not be deleted I think. I may help in expanding it. Khestwol (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not denying the importance, considering that I'm the one who wrote most of the Granada War article. It's just that the Granada War article is much more full-fledged and covers a lot more, while all the content in "Fall of Granada" is also at Granada War. If the article is expanded, it should probably be on the specific surrender that happened that date, but it's not clear there's even that much written about it. If it isn't expanded, well, it's just a duplicate article and should be merged back as a redirect. SnowFire (talk) 20:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing it's important. An article on a notable topic can never be deleted as per wp:Notability. Yes, the article should cover the surrender that happened in more detail, and the historical significance of the event for the downfall of Islamic power. So it will be expanded. Khestwol (talk) 20:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

You're conflating Wikipedia covering a topic with "has a separate article on the topic." There are lots of notable topics that are covered as sections of a larger article. When the amount of information on the subtopic gets too large, then a separate article is spun off. But if it's just a paragraph, it can be kept in the main article. For an example, Battle of Villalar has its own article with information specifically on it, but Battle of Torrelobatón redirects to a paragraph in the article on the relevant war itself. Both are notable, and both get coverage in Wikipedia, however.

That said, I don't want to come off as too antagonistic here. Like I said before, if you can expand the article, that's great. SnowFire (talk) 23:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Please be more careful about using 'ce' in edit summaries

Looking through your edits recently after this edit[2] you are often using it while not actually copy editing as defined at WP:CE - any content change is not a copy edit. Even some of your spelling changes or removal of spellings isn't clearly copy editing. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 15:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm trying to write longer edit summaries now. Khestwol (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Unfounded accusations

Please do not accuse me of having biases which I don't possess. I'm not removing material from articles because they were are connected with Islam but because they are incorrect. Slovenia was never part of the Ottoman Empire - how could it be when the Ottomans never conquered even Croatia to the Southeast? As for the Siberian Khanate, there is no evidence that they reached as far the Arctic Sea. Why should (in violation of Wikipedia rules) a map without source be kept? Kostja (talk) 10:36, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The original version of the article Khanate of Sibir before your destructive edits clearly states "The Khanate of Sibir was the northernmost Muslim state in recorded history; its territories even included the northerly shores of the Arctic Ocean". This is true in my opinion and you are the only user who seems to want to remove it, so it is against any consensus. Please stop your changes and removal of content from articles without any consensus. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 11:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

This claim is not supported by a source, so it can't be used as a basis for making the map. Your opinion of course also doesn't matter if it isn't supported by a source and incidentally you're the only user who insists on keeping the map, so there's no consensus. In any case, unreferenced material can be removed at any time, regardless of any "consensus". Kostja (talk) 17:27, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Please do not remove or revert sourced information. For example, you have deleted sourced material based on this academic and well-respected source. Keeping this in mind, you calling my edits "unconstructive" (while deleting sourced material) is anything but WP:GF. --Lysozym (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Abrahamic religions

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Roman Pashto

Hey I also use "g" rather than "z" but Kara Pashto (Standard Pashto - recognised by the Academy of Peshawar and Kabul University) use "z". Therefore inline with Kara Pashto, it would be wrong to change it to "g" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adjutor101 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

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Please watch and protect Shahnameh. Attacked by a Pan-Turkist: [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]--188.158.72.218 (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Article move

Hi, you have just moved some articles to new titles such as Utmanzai (Wazir clan) on the grounds that we need to differentiate from other groups with the same name. What other groups? We have no articles for them and you've left quite a clean-up job behind you. - Sitush (talk) 20:31, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello. That article is about the Utmanzai clan of the Wazir tribe that lives in North Waziristan. However, other clans of other tribes by the SAME name of Utmanzai also exist. For example, there is one non-Wazir Utmanzai clain in Utmanzai, Charsadda. Khestwol (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Another one is the move to Ahmadzai (Wazir clan), with the specious claim that it is to differentiate from the Ghilji. Since the Ghilji appear not to be called Ahmadzai, there was no need for the move. Please revert these unnecessary changes. - Sitush (talk) 20:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

There is also an Ahmadzai Ghilji clan (to which the current president of Afghanistan, Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai belongs), which is also Pashtun but not Wazir. That is why the disambiguation. Thanks, Khestwol (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

In fact, having reviewed the massive number of page moves that you have done recently, I think you should stop entirely for now, go review the principles at WP:RM and make specific proposals. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 20:39, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I will slow down ok. Khestwol (talk) 20:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for replying at various places above. I'm not convinced, I'm afraid. As I said earlier, we have no articles for the communities that you mention. I'm sure that you mean well but the moves serve no purpose in an operational sense and never will unless articles turn up. Let's take an extreme example, which is that of someone being deliberately disruptive: they could do all sorts of moves like this using the basis that you have given when in fact they are just making up names for alternate groups that do not exist. It does go on! You are effectively engaging in original research. - Sitush (talk) 20:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

As for the Ahmadzai who are also Pashtun but not Wazir (hence the need for the move), here is a ref: [8]. I think we need an article for the Ghilji (non-Wazir) Ahmadzai because they are a notable tribe, and the current president of Afghanistan belongs to it. Khestwol (talk) 20:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying that these alternate communities do not exist, although there is scope for mischief if someone were less well-meaning than yourself. What I am saying is that you are pretty much putting the cart before the horse.

There is no need to disambiguate if we don't have two or more articles that share a similar name. It is like having a redlinked item is a "See also" section: how can someone "see" something that doesn't exist in the encyclopaedia? You need to create the alternate articles more or less immediately and source them well enough to pass WP:GNG, otherwise we end up in the same mess that we see with Indian caste articles. I suppose, at a pinch, you could just leave them as a redlink in a proper disambiguation page, provided that you give some indication of what/where/who they are ... but I really wouldn't advise it.

By the way, the fact that a prominent person is a member of a particular tribe is not going to make the tribe itself notable. You will need more than that. - Sitush (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

As of now we do have an article for Ahmadzai (Ghilji clan), hope to expand it and fix the link to it from other articles which refer to the Ghilji Ahmadzai, as opposed to the Wazir Ahmadzai the other article is about. Thank you. Khestwol (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that you had just created it now. Thanks for that. It needs more sources and I'm not too sure about some of what is said, eg: "confederacy" is not in the source and will need linking to something or another, I suspect. I'll do some digging tomorrow and see what turns up. - Sitush (talk) 21:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Have a good night/day. Khestwol (talk) 21:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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February 2015

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Indo-Aryan peoples. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:40, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Scalhotrod. I ask you to stop reverting my contributions 3 times in a row before even discussing the issue with me, or other users, on the article talk pages. Khestwol (talk) 17:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Then i really want to ask is shahrukh khan saif ali khan zarine khan a pashto speaker, can you please remove their images. At least jan sher khan younis khan are pashto speakers but no sign of them. Jansher khan imran khan and younis khan are at least bigger names than saif ali khan zarine khan. At least there should be some pakistani pashtuns too. This is a very biased article which is edited by afghan pashtuns to their taste. I would appreciate if you could follow your own statement by emoving non pashto speakers shahrukh khan saif ali khan and zarine khan. Shahrukh khan is fine but other too is just wrong as every khan is a pathan in india. Imran khan is no where in the article this is extremely wrong. thankyouSaladin1987 04:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I have removed madhubala as no reference mentions she spoke pashto, i assume that you are pakistani pashtun, at least you should have a look at the article, you have muhammad nabi, zarine khan etc but no imran khan at the bottom of the page. is this the article of afghan and indian pashtuns. Pakistan has the largest population of pashtuns and should have names like jan sher khan, imran khan , younis khan, but you only find malala yousafzai, shahid afridi and jehangir khan out of 30 million. if i am wrong please correct me. but younis khan deserves to be there as he is a pashto speaker and jan sher khan too if you could add him i would appreciate, he was a squash champion

Really it's ok if you mention Ayub Khan or Imran Khan in the body of the article because their ethnic background is Pashtun (although they identity themselves to be "Hindkowan" and "Punjabi" more because of their native languages), but inside the infobox we better add only Pashto-speaking Pashtuns. We can add only a limited number of images there anyway. As for Madhubala, her article says she spoke Pashto which has been supported with a ref. I agree more Pashtuns from Pakistan must be added to represent them better, like Jahangir Khan or Jansher Khan etc. However I could not find an image of Jansher Khan to add in the infobox unfortunately. Khestwol (talk) 06:49, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Bro i am not sure madhubala spoke pashto or not but a pashto speaker has a different accent which she doesnt seem to have in her movies, though shahid afridi lived in karachi most of his life still u can recognize he is pashtun if u dont even see him. Bro i will try to find image of jan sher khan , i am not sure how to add it, i will post the link to your page so that you may add it. at least younis khan is a well known pashtun cricketerSaladin1987 05:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I am really tired of the editor User:Krzyhorse22, he doesnt follow his policy of not adding non pashto speakers in infobox. he is continuing his policy of reverting my edits. Saleem khan is a non pashto speaker pashtun wannabe. According to salman his grandfather came from afghanistan but not even a single member of his family knows how to speak pashto or even dari as proved by kadir khan who by blood is pashtun and speaks pashto proudly. This user krazyhorse has an agenda to promote Afghan and indian pashtuns but to ignore Pakistan Pashtuns especially people like ayub khan, imran khan, Raheem Shah, hamayun khan etc. if he can add 5 indian non pashto speaker pashtuns then we can surely add atleast 2 pashto speaking pakistani pashtuns too. This is a pashtun people article not afghan or indian people article. I accepted the last edits of this user as he added imran khan in the article but this time he is adding saleem khan but ignoring the likes of Ayub khan , raheem shah, hamayun khan, jan sher khan(world squash champion), Maria toorpakai wazir(World squash champion). I would request you to plz make this article bias free. Thankyou

i added to talk page khilji

brother but source does not mention pashtunized, it could be elaborated but not be called pashtunized as they spoke persian or turkic language. they did not speak pashto or else that would have been mentioned, " "Khalji Dynasty". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved 2010-08-23. this dynasty, like the previous Slave dynasty, was of Turkic origin, though the Khiljī tribe had long been settled in what is now Afghanistan..."

Bro when we mention persianized it means they had persian language etc, here the khilji had some pashtun customs no doubt but they followed turkic theory of kingship and its not possible to call it pashtunized rather we can elaborate it further by saying they had pashtun customs, but i will leave it to you, by pashtunized its being referred as pashtun dynasty which is not the case, ghilzais are maybe their future relatives which were lodhi, suri etcSaladin1987 16:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

The Turkic Khilji must not be confused with the Pastun Ghalzi tribe. Minhāju-s Sirāj (1881). Tabaḳāt-i-nāsiri: a general history of the Muhammadan dynastics of Asia, including Hindustān, from A.H. 194 (810 A.D.) to A.H. 658 (1260 A.D.) and the irruption of the infidel Mughals into Islām. Bibliotheca Indica #78 1. Calcutta, India: Royal Asiatic Society of Bengal (printed by Gilbert & Rivington). p. 548. (translated from the Persian by Henry George Raverty). Also minhaj siraj i guess mentions that too but maybe i am wrong, to the extent i know khiljis were turks but had some customs adopted and its the modern writers who have made that statement of afghanistan not the writers of that time, if i am wrong i would appreciate if someone could correct me

Pamir languages

Bro many pamiri wakhi live in gojal. i think we should add gojal gilgit baltistan as i did. Whatever you think suits, u can add it. Thankyou

Yes of course Gilgit has Pamir speakers. Also Chitral has Yidgha speakers. There number and area occupied is much less than Pamiris of Afghan and Tajik Badakhshan. Already added this info into the lede. Khestwol (talk) 10:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Bro actually number is huge, its just badkashan combined is the place of origin for wakhis and yidgas. At the moment wakhis are mostly pakistanis living in gojal and chitral north. Yidgs are less. I think we can add substantial numbers there. Saladin1987 07:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Can you please look at the talk page for concensus on madhubala or (younis khan or jan sher khan). Krazyhorse is just trying to push as many afghan and indian pashtuns/pathans as possible. There is no imran khan anywhere but there is saif ali khan zarine khan who claim to be pathans but who knows they are or not. People like jansher khan, younis khan are pashtuns. Imran khan is niazi so is a pashtun too though doesnt speak pashto. Same goes for saif ali khan, zarine khan. Pashtuns are most in Pakistan but i guess pakistani pashtuns are the least in this article even less than indian pathans which are not even pathans. I would appreciate if you could help me add some more Pakistani pashtuns like ayub khan, imran khan, younis khan, jan sher khan in the article and remove indian pathans like saif lai khan and zarine khan. This is just not right. Also most of the editors are afghan pashtuns or indians. Guess Pakistani pashtuns have no interest in wikipedia. I have started a discussion but krazyhorse keeps on reverting the edits. Lets please reach a concensus regarding more Pakistani pashtuns being represented in this article. I would really appreciate your helpSaladin1987 08:17, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Greater Khorasan

What's with this POV pushing? Do you have a reliable source that says Ghazni was part of Khorasan or are you just putting names of cities based on your theories?--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

The article corroborates it was. Greater Khorasan, as the lede says, extended even further eastwards than Ghazni. However, since Mahmud of Ghazni's time and until the Mongol invasions, Ghazni remained the most prominent city of the region, which warrants its inclusion. Khestwol (talk) 05:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

However, I don't think the inclusion of the minor city of Taloqan was warranted. We can, perhaps, remove that one. Khestwol (talk) 06:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Everything has to be sourced, when was Ghazni a part of Khurasan province? Did you verify the info? What you claim is contrary to what the cited sources say. They all say only Herat and Balkh were part of Khurasan province.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 16:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of what you mean by Khorasan province but the article is about "Greater Khorasan". The lede describes its boundaries. Do you want to shrink its boundaries per present day political entity of Iran and cities closer to it only? What's ur source for that? Khestwol (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Khorasan was a "province" of Persia (Iran) since the time it was first born. You think there was a country like Pakistan by the name of "Greater Khorasan"? Is that what they teach in Pakistani schools? I'm not the fool who is focusing on today's Iran's Khorasan province, we all know that's only a remnant of the historical Khorasan, which this article is referring to. My previous comment is asking you when was the country Ghazni (Ghazna) a part of the historical Khorasan province, not today's Iranian province? If you don't know just say I don't know, and don't add it again.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 13:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

It is simply illogical to assume that Ghazna was a part of the historical Khorasan because looking at it from a geographical perspective it could not have been since the Hindu Kush mountains form a natural border between the two. There is only one or two roads leading to each other. It would mean Kandahar had to be part of Khorasan before Ghazna could become also part of it. There is no clear historical reference, all the sources say Ghazna was an independent country ruled by Buddhist kings who constantly fought the Arabs until the Ghaznavids rose to power and invaded Persian territories and made them part of Ghazna.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Yep I have got your points thanks for explanation. Also i read recently Ghaznin and Gardez until 10th century were ruled by Loyakan until Mahmud of Ghazni overthrew their kingdom. Culturally the area was disconnected from the other side of the Hindukush. Khestwol (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Sorry for being edgy, many editors visit that article and add what their uneducated forefathers have told them. Of course this is only to make the land theirs. Ghazna which was called was inhabited by old Turkic tribes who practiced Buddhism like I said. This is well documented and the discoveries of Buddhist sites makes it more of a fact. These tribes eventually became known as Ghilzais. The Ghaznavids refers to a dynasty, they were also Turkic, but Khorasan province always was Zoroastrian, so yes it was culturally disconnected from that side just like it still is today.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist

Would you please watch some pages if I give you the list of them? They are related to your field of interest (Middle East, Central Asia, Persian and Iranic history/culture). They're under a new wave of disruptive changes. I can't watch & handle all of them. Interested? --Zyma (talk) 23:50, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes sure, I can. Khestwol (talk) 03:43, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Recent targeted articles: Persian mythology, Saka, Shahnameh, Tur (mythology), Turan. For a full list and more details, see: Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34. Add important articles as many as you can to your watchlist. It's not necessary to add all of them, just focus on vital ones. Every new edit/change on those articles, needs a serious verification (both IPs and registered users). Thanks. Regards. --Zyma (talk) 12:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Engage on the talk page

Hello Khestwol, I am posting here due to your edit here[9]. Please read the talk page[10] before deleting information from the lead. Regards. Mbcap (talk) 19:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I need to elaborate on my reversion of your edit...

...While you say that LightandDark2000 should seek consensus on the talk page, you do not explain why that edit is unconstructive, and I doubt a 2 year+ editor will appreciate having a template mostly intended for newbies slapped on his talk page like that. If you still feel you need to notify LightandDark2000 in some way, I would suggest creating an independent section on his talk page with a brief explanation. Dustin (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello. His edit was indeed against consensus that had formed on the template talk page. The consensus was to not add ISIL to the template. Khestwol (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Same as Dustin V. S. I was involved in the consensus forming process and the consensus was actually to not include Wahhabism. Thanks and I'll be reverting your edit to my talk page. Nulla Taciti (talk) 22:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Warning Notes

Editors are allowed to remove any warning or note from their talk pages as they please. Please read WP:BLANKING for more. WP:Removed warnings is a failed proposal and should not be cited as a guideline. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 19:02, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Per User:Nulla Taciti's request, I've boxed up your comment on the article talk page. To the extent we can, we prefer to confine article talk pages to questions of article content and not conduct interpersonal disputes there. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 03:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Durrani Empire Map

Thanks Khestwol, Durrani empire map, which is located in Durrani Empire page, does not have a reliable source. The borders, specially in southern areas are exactly the same as today's Pakistan which was created in 1948. There was no Pakistan at that time. Also, Mashhad was controlled by the Shahrukh Afshar, after Nader's death in 1747 and was controlled by him until Agha Mohammad Khan of Qajar dystany defeated Zand Kingdom and killed Shahrukh in 1796. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahrukh_Afshar The Durrani empire expansions to northwestern areas has no source and prove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix2535 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article (Shahrukh Afshar) cannot be considered a reliable source. There are various reliable secondary sources which seem to corroborate that the Durrani Empire extended to Mashhad ([11]). Khestwol (talk) 16:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is a better Durrani Empire map and note that it includes Mashhad as well. Khestwol (talk) 17:21, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi Khestwol, Thank you for introducing the sources, but as indicated in the sources, Ahmad Shah Durrani did not refuse the sovereignty of Shahrukh Afshar and Mashhad arae was under Shahrukh's control until Qajar. This is a new map I found:

File:DURRANI EMPIRE.png

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoenix2535 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Your map seems to be deleted. However Shahrukh Afshar, who had been blinded by his rivals, was ruling his territory as a tributary vassal state of the Durrani Empire during the peak of the Durrani Empire. That may explain why secondary sources mention the Afsharid capital of Mashhad as a Durrani city when the empire was at its peak. Khestwol (talk) 10:20, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Invite

Feel free to participate in the following discussion.[12]. Xtremedood (talk) 04:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)