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While [[WP:DENY]] specifically mentions trolls, I think it applies as much (or more) to the subspecies known as attention whores. I'm sure he'll be back. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 23:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
While [[WP:DENY]] specifically mentions trolls, I think it applies as much (or more) to the subspecies known as attention whores. I'm sure he'll be back. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 23:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:glad we can work together. I appreciate him showing that it is possible for both of us to work together on something we both feel is important. cheers. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 01:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
:glad we can work together. I appreciate him showing that it is possible for both of us to work together on something we both feel is important. cheers. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 01:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Aritekl Rescue Squad ==

Thank you for your invitation. I would have joined but there are already too many members. How would you like to start up a newer, more aggressive, Squad of those squarely against this mass-deletionists. We can start it together. [[User:PeterbrownDancin|PeterbrownDancin]] ([[User talk:PeterbrownDancin|talk]]) 22:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

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You should make that edit while logged in as Ikip. Otherwise, it's hard to know that this account is controlled by Ikip. (I didn't look, Ikip may have stated as much elsewhere, but it is easier to keep track of when it's all in one place). -- Bfigura (talk) 17:32, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I just saw the ANI thread. You may want to put a permalink to where you got verified on your user page. Sorry about the password issue. -- Bfigura (talk) 17:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can have editors I e-mailed before with Ikip verify I am using the same email. Other than that, there is no way to access Ikip now.

"You may want to put a permalink to where you got verified on your user page?" Please explain...you mean that coding thing that editor have on their user pages, with all the scrambled letters? Okip (formerly Ikip) 18:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bfigura may mean the diff where Tbsdy lives confirmed your identity. If you're using the same email address, shouldn't you be able to use the E-mail new password button? Flatscan (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Flatscan, I thought I would use the E-mail new password too. I will try it again now.
See, i wanted to stay off wikipedia at work, so I had a complex way of making sure I did. Every night I would change my email address to my sons address, and then scramble the password. This went on for about two weeks. Then when I got home from work, I clicked the "mail a new password" to my sons account. He would then open his account, and I would take the password, updating with my new password. Well, I think on Monday (?) the e-mail to say confirm a new address somehow expired. I am sure I put the password in correctly. I stepped away from the computer and asked my son to press the first link, not the second, and based on the history of the webpage he did.
I was kind of wishing that this was it, that I would finally leave this nasty addiction. It was kind of nice to be off for a few days. But alas, here I am again. As you know I have left numerous times, I have used forced wiki-vacations, etc.
Terrible storm here, power may go out. I will send myself password to son's email again. Okip (formerly Ikip) 05:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've heard that some people can restore passwords in emergency situations with help from Wikipedia's developer team; I don't know the details of how it works but might be able to point you to someone who does and could help. Itd be a shame to just have to give up an account that youve been using for 4 years, not to mention the many many edits you've made with it that would all have to be redirected now. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 18:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Son just emailed into his account, no new email. Thanks for the suggestions soap and flatscan. Maybe I should just commit suicide once and for all and be done with it... :) Okip (formerly Ikip) 23:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if it doesnt bother you, then I'll let it be, but I'm just saying that in emergencies it's possible to regain control of an account even if you've lost access to the "email new password" for whatever reason. I've heard there's a limit on new password requests to prevent abuse; maybe you finally tripped the limit. -- Soap Talk/Contributions 15:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since you've indicated that you've switched accounts, and your trusted userrights (rollback) have now been transferred to your new account, I've linked the block logs of your new and old accounts per the blocking policy. Fran Rogers (talk) 05:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Web slices

Hello Ikip/Okip, I wanted to get your thoughts on web slices at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Webslices for the main page.Smallman12q (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your old talk page

Meanwhile, people are posting there, and the 'click here to leave a message' maybe should also take them here? Dougweller (talk) 15:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thanks, good idea. Okip (formerly Ikip) 17:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe just redirect the page? If a password has been e-mailed to somebody, somewhere, perhaps the Ikip account should be blocked as a preventative measure.   pablohablo. 23:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The only place the email could be sent to would be to my sons email account, or my own. If someone wants to block the account, that's fine though. Okip (formerly Ikip) 23:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking that you might possibly have mistyped the e-mail address; if so there's a chance that what you did type would be someone else's e-mail address. Outside chance though I suppose.   pablohablo. 09:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia

Hi Ikip, I posted this article on the page of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia with references, but I a getting a message that there are no references. Why is this? Please advise. Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 03:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In August 25, 1920, the First National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Bogotá, presided by Epifánio Montoya, Alfredo Vásquez Cobo and Don Tulio Ospina Vásquez. This congress laid the foundation for the successful organization and establishment of the Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia (English: National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia).[1]

The Second National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Medellín in 1927. Two sons of Don Tulio Ospina Vásquez, Rafael Ospina Pérez and Mariano Ospina Pérez, were among the delegates of the province of Antioquia. Rafael Ospina Pérez presided over this Congress, which created the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia.[1]

In 1928, after the Second National Congress of Coffee Growers had created the Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, the first regional committee was established as the “Comité de Cafeteros de Antioquia”. Mariano Ospina Pérez was its first President, and the first registered member of the association.[2]

The first Board of Directors of the newly organized Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia assembled in Bogotá, in August 3, 1929. Its first members were Mariano Ospina Vásquez, Alberto Camilo Suárez, Gabriel Ortiz Williamson, Carlos Caballero, Jesús del Corral and Mariano Ospina Pérez, the greatest dignitary in the History of the Federation, for whom the organization of the national coffee industry was one of his most serious and ambitious concerns. [3]

The first Board of Directors of the newly organized Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia assembled in Bogotá, in August 3, 1929. Its first members were Mariano Ospina Vásquez, Alberto Camilo Suárez, Gabriel Ortiz Williamson, Carlos Caballero, Jesús del Corral and Mariano Ospina Pérez, the greatest dignitary in the History of the Federation, for whom the organization of the national coffee industry was one of his most serious and ambitious concerns.[4]

In December of 1930, the Fourth National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Bogotá. Due to the vast knowledge and experience in the coffee industry, acquired running his own coffee business, Mariano Ospina Pérez was summoned by the Minister of Industry, Francisco J. Chaux, and by President Rafael Olaya Herrera to preside over this Congress. Ospina Pérez was elected President of this Fourth Congress. At the adjournment of this Congress, Ospina Pérez was elected, by the unanimous vote of the delegates, as “Gerente de la Federación” (General Director). He served in this position for four years, until 1934.[5][6]

In the election of members of the Board of Directors in 1954, Mariano Ospina Pérez, who served as President of the Republic from 1946 to 1950, was installed as President of the Board of Directors (of the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia). His return to the Federation marked the reappearance of one of Colombia's greatest coffee names in an active role in the industry.[7] [8]

Under Mariano Ospina Pérez' aegis, the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia successfully consolidated the nation's coffee industry and promoted it in the world markets to great effect. Colombia became the largest producer of prime Coffea arabica coffee in the world. He laid a very solid corporative foundation, and today, the Colombian Coffee Federation congregates and supports over 500,000 independent coffee growers and small farmers.

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Your oppose gives me the impression that you think that this would apply to existing articles. It would not. Would you care to clarify your statement to make it clear whether you are indeed opposed to CSD of new unsourced BLPs? Jclemens (talk) 04:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ANI link request

I can't find the link to the referenced ANI discussion as to why you changed your user name. Flowanda | Talk 07:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Simpsons couch jokes

You'll be autoconfirmed tomorrow, and will be able to edit the list then. Mjroots (talk) 07:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

thank you. Lord your talk page is confusing, the most confusing i have seen, and it probably discourages editors from commenting. Okip (formerly Ikip) 07:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Confusing? It's organised! As the instructions say, bottom of the page is fine. Mjroots (talk) 17:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re

Truth be told, your prior message made me reconsider Je(etc.)'s proposal and I re-!voted as Neutral. --Cybercobra (talk) 08:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, felt they were finished. I archive without hesitation. I used to just delete, until this incident (see later part about blanking). --Cybercobra (talk) 09:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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+Rollbacker

You haven't strictly speaking asked me for this permission, but it was part of the user rights table on your old account, so I see no reason why you shouldn't be trusted with it. If you'd rather it were removed, please let me know. Fritzpoll (talk) 12:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Stop making COI edits now

You have a stated conflict of interest, over 700 edits in the two months you've been an editor and numerous requests to numerous editors soliciting support for your edits and point of view. You have been around long enough to know your edits clearly violate WP:COI. Flowanda | Talk 08:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Ikipi, What does this mean? How do I respond to this accusation? Does it mean I am disqualified to write about the subject matters that I know best and which I am the most qualified authority? To whom do I appeal this charge? Would it be possible to find a Task Force to review this case from an independent and neutral point of view? Please tell me how to further this appeal to a higher body. Thanks for your help, advise and cooperation. Best, --Grancafé (talk) 16:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let's Have a Proper Forum discuss these Issues

Thank you very much for all your advice, guidance, help, efforts and recommendations. I do NOT wish to have any sort of altercation or confrontation. I have tried to make my contributions based on historical facts and information available in the public domain. I have not posted my own words, thoughts or opinions. They are mere historical and undeniable facts, taken from reliable and accessible sources, mainly History books and industry publications. I know that most of these sources are in Spanish, and thus, I have offered to present copies or pdfs of the same for review. Nevertheless, there are some pretty good and reliable sources in English as well. I may not have quoted or referenced them perfectly, but they are there, accessible, reliable and easy to find and read. I have also requested several individual editors, groups and task forces to review and proof-read the article. I am not insisting or pushing for biased thoughts, ideas or opinions. I am only interested in facts and neutral and truthful information. This is precisely why I have insistently asked for help and invited contributions and editors to participate in the discussion and project. What I do not appreciate is the unfounded and unjustified mutilation of the article. I welcome, invite and ask for independent, neutral and experienced editing help, specifically from those from academia, historians and well versed editors. I apologize if my level of writing, contribution and editing is not at your same level. I would like to take these issues to the proper forum for discussion and resolution. Thank you very much. --Grancafé (talk) 00:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The Big Picture

I am trying to convey that there are two ways to view an idea or concept, the myopic and narrow view and the broad and wide angle. I am proposing to reintroduce into the main article the entire section (here above) entitled “Impact on the Colombian Coffee Industry”, to reveal how Ospina Coffee has influenced and impacted both, the national coffee industry and theNational Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia.

You are not getting the idea. I gave you the example of Harvard University and its alumni. You responded saying that those are to separate issues. I don’t agree with your opinion, but I admit that it was not a very good example. So let me try again. Please go to the webpage of Harvard University (http://www.harvard.edu/), then go to their page called Harvard and the Community (http://www.community.harvard.edu/), and then go to their section on Economic Impact (http://www.community.harvard.edu/economic_impact.php). There you will find an in-depth, comprehensive and exhaustive article covering this most important and relevant matter.

Now, you tell me why Ospina Coffee is forbidden and disqualified to present its socio-economic impact on Colombia’s coffee industry and in particular in regards to the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia? I truly believe that we must invite community members from academia, scholars, historians, economist and sociologist to participate in this discussion. Perhaps I am not the person most qualified to write this article due to my language and encyclopedic limitations, but the historical and socio-economic facts of the matter are undeniable, most relevant and fundamental. This is why I have insistently invited other well versed and trained editors to participate in this project. Don’t you agree? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 01:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Wikipedia Dispute Resolution

The content and notability of this article needs to be reviewed and edited as the majority of this article was written and edited by an editor with a stated conflict of interest.

This is what the article looked like when it was nominated for deletion. This is what it looked like when the AfD was withdrawn. The majority of editing before and after by User: Grancafe shows no deviation from his stated conflict of interest. Flowanda | Talk 10:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Wikipedia Dispute Resolution

There is no conflict of interest here. That is your misguided opinion. My utmost interest is the truth and the undisputed, undeniable and well referenced historical facts. The interest of Wikipedia, academia end the community are above your interest or mine. This is why I have insistently invited other well versed and trained editors to participate in this project. I truly believe that we must invite community members from academia, scholars, historians, economist and sociologist to participate in this discussion. Do you think it is time to take this matter to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution? Thanks, --Grancafé (talk) 12:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing BLPs

I/Okip, Thanks for your comments on my ideas. It basically consists of two parts:1) a 50,000 long list is unworkable - break it up into workable parts and it's solvable. (more on that later) 2) Whilst it is possible for us mere mortal editors to use the various cat scan/list compare tools to do the breaking up, it takes time (more than 20 minutes for me to load fresh lists into WP:AWB and effort (effort away from actually referencing articles) to do so. Therefore, if this is a major problem according to Jimbo and Arbcom, then they must make some sort of automated system to do the splitting up of the lists into workable lists - by topic, not by date that they were tagged! I hope people don't think I want automated tagging - I only want automated list making.

The WP:Australia project had a list of over 2000 names just over 2 weeks ago. It's now under 900. 900 is still fairly unworkable, so we've split them up again into smaller topics. Other lists have popped up, Cricket, Rugby union, India and probably many more. This is all do-able, but it does take time, it does get a bit boring, it can be tempting for some editors to put the first google hit they see on it and remove the tag, but it can work. One other good thing about these lists, is that you can use the related changes link to see all edits to them... great to keep an eye on pages without clogging up your watchlist (almost like having multiple watchlists).The-Pope (talk) 16:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You will be happy to note the list has dropped by 7,000, from a high of 52,000 to just over 46,000 last I checked :)
I need suggestions of what I can do. I find waiting for someone else to do something usually never pans out.
I can ask the appropriate channels, but unless someone with the technical skills sees your vision, the way I have seen your vision, it will be a long slog :/ Okip (the new and improved Ikip) 17:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've had my say, and setup our project to get the job done. I want to keep out of the drama until at least the end of the month and then show everyone else what 20-30 committed editors (thats probably about how many we've had) can do in a month. If one project can reference 2000 articles in a month, then the entire project should be able to do 45316 in a few months.The-Pope (talk) 17:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
RE: Wikipedia:Bot requests#Unreferenced biography of living persons bot to get projects involved in referencing.
Okip, what would project Rugby union need to do. I'm willing to help, and so far have been the only person to try to reference the articles supplied by The Pope and I think I've only managed 80 out of the original 350. The project is presently more interested in fighting over a flag (please see the heavy discussion on the talk page), and you are shouting into a gale. But I'd be happy to monitor the pages thrown up by a bot if that's what is required. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 19:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You did everything you need to. all I need is an "okay" from an active member of the project.
Funny you should mention the flag, I about wrote, "in between your arguments over the color of the flag" but then thought best of it, and didn't write that...
I will let betacommand know your project wants a list, he can make it, then I will post it on your page. The daily bot will start hopefully soon. There is an unexpected problem with a past arbcom decision, which we will have to iron out first.
The pope had a contest idea, which I think is wonderful. I asked Durova who to ask about this. I would be willing to put $20 in the pot as a reward, I am sure other editors would too. Okip (formerly Ikip) 19:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments at Phase II

My comments weren't intended to oppose the proposal, I was simply pointing out that maintaining such a rate of referencing is not an easy task. The proposal is a lot better than most that have been proposed regarding this issue. Hut 8.5 23:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Bot

Hi I/Okip, the bot sounds like a good idea, feel free to have it tested on Wikipedia:WikiProject Metal/Unreferenced BLPs. Keep up the good work J04n(talk page) 11:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response to articles you are interested in referencing

"This first run there were only 3 editors who responded." this is what i love about wiki, thousands vote over how to automatically delete BLPwoR; 3 interested in editing & improving articles; conclusion, why waste time casting pearls before swine, get to work. Pohick2 (talk) 12:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

navel gazing is fine and all, but people are using BLP as an excuse to delete perfectly fine articles that merely need a little work. (is this a new cabal, no merely a new stratagem by the young deletionists, they find they have a backlog from the good old days before they went on the prowl.) Pohick2 (talk) 12:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciation

I have mixed feelings about barnstars but not about bouquets - thanks for yours :) You have done so much on article rescue issues - these flowers won't bloom till July, so pls accept this pic as a virtual bouquet and as an optimistic proxy for the future of WP. Sincerely, Novickas (talk) 23:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A pot of coffee

While WP:DENY specifically mentions trolls, I think it applies as much (or more) to the subspecies known as attention whores. I'm sure he'll be back.   pablohablo. 23:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

glad we can work together. I appreciate him showing that it is possible for both of us to work together on something we both feel is important. cheers. Okip (formerly Ikip) 01:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aritekl Rescue Squad

Thank you for your invitation. I would have joined but there are already too many members. How would you like to start up a newer, more aggressive, Squad of those squarely against this mass-deletionists. We can start it together. PeterbrownDancin (talk) 22:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 22, ISBN 958-33-1279-7
  2. ^ El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 28, ISBN 958-33-1279-7
  3. ^ El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 23, ISBN 958-33-1279-7
  4. ^ El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 23, ISBN 958-33-1279-7
  5. ^ Mariano Ospina Pérez, Un Hombre de Acción y de Principios, Miguel Angel Lozano, Fundación de Estudios Historicos, Misión Colombia, Funadación Mariano Ospina Pérez, Editorial El Globo SA, Bogotá, Colombia, November, 1991, page 61.
  6. ^ Informe del Gerente de La Federacion al Sexto Congreso Nacional de Cafeteros, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Junio de 1934, Colombia.
  7. ^ Brown Gold, The Amazing Story of Coffee, Andres Uribe C., Random House Inc., NY, 1954, Pg 113, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 55-5793.
  8. ^ El Café en la Ecrucijada, Evolución y Perspectivas, Diego Pizano, Editorial Alfaomega, Bogotá, August 2001, Page 31, ISBN 958-682-192-7
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