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List of medicinal herbs-lacks any references, and implies these drugs can help.Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Herbalism-same as above Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Homeopathy-ridiculous Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Attachment therapy-don't let your children go there Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) This has been rewritten since User:AWeidman (Dr Becker-Weidman) and his 6 socks were indef banned. Fainites barley 16:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC) Medicinal plants of the American West-more unsourced POV edits Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Alternative medicine-more of the same Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Naturopathic medicine-Actually not completely off the wall, but some parts are bad. Orangemarlin 00:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Er, Duesberg hypothesis and poppers could both use more work, and talk about endangering lives... especially the former. MastCell Talk 18:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC) I'd also add ephedra to the list... I did a lot of work cleaning it up and it's not so bad anymore (it actually references the serious harms and deaths associated with ephedra supplements in a way that goes beyond referring to the FDA as jackbooted thugs, now). But much of the same material is duplicated in ECA stack, which I haven't been as successful with, and which I fear gives an erroneous impression as to the safety record of ephedra-containing dietary supplements. MastCell Talk 19:20, 12 September 2007 (UTC) Arguably, Reflexology, though that's probably not actually dangerous, just ridiculously oversold. Adam Cuerden talk 00:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Vaccine controversy. Anti-vaxers are really dangerous. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Hulda Clark. A dangerous scam. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) This one has been stable in reasonable shape for awhile now. MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Gary Null. Advocates nonsense. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Working on this one. MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Joseph Mercola. Advocates nonsense and repeated run ins with the FTC. -- Fyslee / talk 08:27, 20 November 2007 (UTC) rebirthing, reparenting, Power therapies. Primal Scream therapy. I would treat Neurolinguistic Programming as the main hub for many of them though. Its a subject that seems to be the main pseudoscientific umbrella that is used by most of them to give the false impression of scientific appearance. Its incredibly widespread and extremely misleading to the less scientifically literate. Here is a good source; [1]. Phloem (talk) 05:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC) anyone who wants to work on this complex of article, I'll be glad to help. Time we got to the pseudo-psychology. DGG (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC) try Eisner in The death of psychotherapy, Chapter 3 "Cathartic Therapies:From Primal to est". A little out of date but .... Fainites barley 22:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC) coral calcium. I just put in some references, but there is a lot more that can be done. That someone would think that coral calcium can be used as a panacea for all types of cancer when in fact excess calcium can, in some cases, be detrimental to certain cancer treatments means that we should be very careful how the claims of the coral calcium fanatics are treated. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC) This is pretty much fixed, at least until the next SPA... MastCell Talk 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) Mannatech. An article about a company that purveys sugars, calling them health products (glyconutrients). Antelantalk 02:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC) I tried on this, & only very partially succeeded. DGG (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Magnet therapy and Alex Chiu. You've got to be kidding. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC) Prostate cancer#Ejaculation frequency I'm sorry, but this just cracked me up. I need to read the references, but my side hurts. Juvenile, I am. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 06:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC) The section in question seems okay to me, as it more or less just states the recent research and puts it in context. There might be something to it, might not. However, that study has bolstered support for these people, which is, erm, unfortunate... --Jaysweet (talk) 18:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Colon cleansing– After hearing radio commercials dozens of times for supplements, I had to do something. - RoyBoy 03:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC) New Thought. Some New Age medicine/religion attempting to hide it's snake-oil medicine by using religion. Intelligent design used the same method, and it didn't work there. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 06:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC) Bach flower remedies Like Homeopathy but without even the attempt at balance.LeadSongDog (talk) 05:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Samuel Hahnemann. Bio on seminal homeopath. Needs watching.LeadSongDog (talk) 18:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC) Elimination diet. Why do editors think they can add this crap to the project? OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 04:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Medical Articles Below are articles that I believe, along with any trusted science and medicine editors who may wish to contribute, meet the simple test of being well-written, do not give undue weight to fringe theories, and are either WP:GA or WP:FA: Alzheimer's Disease Rotavirus Helicobacter pylori Request for Arbitration If you are here to read about all of the Wiki-drama surrounding the secret hearings (so secret that no one on the ArbCom knew about them apparently), you can read it here. No editing allowed. One day this will be funny. I hope.

Six degrees of Wikipedia

I don't know how many of you played Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon during the early days of the internet, but I did. While watching the 2009 NHL Winter Classic, I was too lazy to use anything but mouse clicks to get to an article on Wikipedia. Then I wondered how hard it would be to get from one article to another completely unrelated one, without typing one thing. So, here's what I tried to do—European Parliament election, 2004 (Slovakia) to Sports Night. So the rules are, get from the first article to the last one in the least number of clicks, while never leaving Wikipedia. You need to list out how you did it of course, since someone will figure out some sneaky way to do this. What do you win? My lasting admiration and true respect on Wikipedia. Well, maybe not.

• 8 clicks. I'll tell you how later. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• 6 clicks. I'll tell you if you buy me a barusaki. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
  • What the hell is a barusaki. Didn't even show up on a google search.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• 4 clicks. But I want coffee and a donut. (It's cold and foggy up here in Santa Barbara. Need a hot drink.)  :) Antandrus (talk) 16:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
  • No good donuts in SB. But I'm trying to figure out 4 clicks.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
    • FYI it's a legitimate solution (no side bar, no "what links here") Antandrus (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• Can I use what links here? Article 1 -> what links here -> user talk:Orangemarlin -> article 2. Problem solved. ;) --B (talk) 16:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

LOL, didn't think of that. Darn it, I was looking forward to a donut or barusaki.

BTW there is a tool somewhere to calculate this automatically (I didn't use it -- now that would be cheating.)  :) Antandrus (talk) 17:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

That's sneaky. Not accepted as a real answer. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• One click: Random article. YMMV.LeadSongDog (talk) 17:18, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
• I hate all of you. Just on principle. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive comments.
If you continue to make personal attacks on other people, you will be blocked for disruption. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You don't have admin powers any more. Neener neener. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:33, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

• Since I already have your lasting respect and admiration, which you propose as a reward, participation in this exercise seems a bit pointless. MastCell ^Talk 04:14, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmmm. I'd like you to point out the diff where I have ever expressed any lasting respect to anyone. Sheesh. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 04:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean besides Jim Boeheim? MastCell ^Talk 05:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, beside Boeheim, who is just this side of Einstein on my respect scale. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 08:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

4 clicks, all in the mainspace. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

New Year's Gift

Take your pick. This seemed like your sort of thing. Happy 2009! Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

A gift that keeps on giving. Thanks you friggin' commie, pinko, tree-hugger.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 03:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure why people associate communism with tree-hugging. The environmental records of the Soviet Union and Communist China make ExxonMobil look like Greenpeace. Of course, since communism and environmentalism are both deeply un-American threats to our way of life, I suppose there is some common ground... MastCell ^Talk 04:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, Boris (nee' Ray Ray) IS a tree hugger. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 04:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I'm thinking about converting to Druidism. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Syracuse FAC

Orangemarlin -- I couldn't help but notice a glaring omission in the Syracuse University article. The article currently omits the closing of the Manley Field House, when, for the final basketball game at the old arena, the mighty Georgetown Hoyas battled back from a 14 point halftime deficit to humiliate Syracuse, its stupid fruit of a mascot, and its pumpkin patch impersonating fan section, with a 52-50 victory, ruining a 57 game home winning streak for the Orange, and prompting the legendary John Thompson to shame the balding loser Boeheim by declaring "Manley Field House is officially closed!" This information is not even mentioned, but I feel it belongs in the lead and probably the infobox too. --JayHenry (t) 03:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

tehehehe ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

And just to make sure Orange doesn't miss the edit summary: [2] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:57, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh-oh. This is going to be trouble. (Note to self: do not mention where I went to school.) Antandrus (talk) 04:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I was at that game in the spring of 1980. I'm still pissed about it. And wtf is a Hoya Saxa (guessing that Antandrus is a Georgetown grad). I refuse to put that in the article. I would rather iron Jimbo's shirts for a month. Blah. BTW, it's always nice to humor SG in her cocktail dresses. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 06:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Won't catch me ironing shirts, clean, dirty or otherwise. (PS: it's 1 am on a Monday night; what cocktail dress? I don't sleep in them, you know.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:26, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Ummmmmm. Well, there are just too many ways to respond to that. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 06:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

That was a thread-killing dud. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't possibly write what I wanted to!!!!! OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 06:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Aren't you both too old for this kind of talk? (ducks) Only joking, and happy new year! I wasn't even alive in 1980 :s Verbal chat 10:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone needs to kick your butt. Insolent brat. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 11:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Have pity on the young'un; at least he has the good manners to wish us octagenarians a Happy New Year. A good spanking should suffice. (Had your fiber today, Orange?) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:15, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

This morning's breakfast includes, two slices of dry double fiber wheat toast, one egg, a glass of V8, and two cups of coffee with cream and Splenda (with fiber). I will have an apple for a late morning snack. So, I'd say my fiber content is fine. Yum.  :) Now hold on while I get into my walker. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

If you let someone who "wasn't even alive in 1980 :s" turn every good University/sports/cocktail dress thread into octagenarian jokes, you're going to need that walker. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

That's Verbal's fault. I think he needs a spanking, with a 48 hour time-out. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

It depends a bit on when you define life as starting, but I don't really want to get into that... I just wanted to stop you talking about "football". Cocktail dresses are ok by me! Now, if you'd like to talk about cricket instead, I could tell you about the time I watched Marcus Trescothick make his International Test debut? Verbal chat 17:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cricket??????? You are really trying to hijack this thread. I can't take a sport where the game continues over a couple of days. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

(ec) @Orange. At least you could soundly rebuke him for making fun of a lady's Bedhead flannel pyjamas and calling her too old to be in a cocktail dress at 1 am. Back to basketball: I'm not sure which is a worse nickname, Hoyas or Orange, or which one of them ran down the court more times than the other, but basketball should never be allowed to interfere with baseball season. (Only three more months to go, and you still owe me a Yankees prediction.)

(ec) @Verbal. So now it's cricket? You're on thin ice, bud; your next post better be funny, or you get spanked. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

(double ec) Orange, I can't believe you said that you can't take a sport that continues for days to a kid who just called you old and insulted my fashion sense. This thread needs a quick recovery. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cricket on ice? That could be fun!!!LeadSongDog (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

SG, I have no problem with you, or anyone, wearing cocktail dresses or otherwise at 1am. I'm sure they look great, but probably wouldn't suit me. I'm more of a David Tennant type (maybe a young Gary Oldman for those of you across the pond). I might try cricket in snow later this week, but wearing whites could be confusing - especially for the French. I'm sorry to hear that OM can't last the full 5 days just for a draw any more ;) Verbal chat 18:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Orange, I think the ball is squarely in your court. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Square balls? Sounds positively Sicilian! Of course for playing Ice Cricket they'll have to be made of rubber, but should they be vulcanized to slide or India rubber to bounce?LeadSongDog (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Cocktail dress break

←Verbal. See I had a whole separate interpretation of the 1AM cocktail dress comment. Let's just say my imagination ran amok.  :) And we're mixing metaphors here. it should be the ball is in my pitch. LOL. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:12, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Orange, I'm shocked; ironing some shirts for pennance may put your mind right. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Me? Iron? I'd rather go with the wrinkled, rich preppy look.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

OM, did you arrange for the England Cricket team to completely explode as a punishment for me?? So cruel...Verbal chat 09:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Now that RSA are down an opener, maybe the ex.captain should return home? :-) Shot info (talk) 09:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You two are speaking in some foreign language that is completely unfamiliar to me. Black cocktail dresses are familiar to me (ummmmm as an object of observation not as a personal wardrobe item). "Down an opener" sounds like a euphemism for drunkenness. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You should ban these youngsters (who don't appreciate baseball or cocktail dresses) from our conversations !! (Red, Orange, Red, as in Cardinal and Red Sox.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I happen to love cocktails, but baseball is just a dull, simplistic, form of cricket. We call it rounders over here, and it's a game for small girls... Twenty20 is the future. (For more info see opening batsman and cricinfo for the whole sorry tale of England cricket team resignations, sackings, and stupidity). As for red cocktail dresses, it depends on the shoes (converse? very chic) Verbal chat 17:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

This is progress (a youngster who knows it's all in the shoes). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC) When I'm tired of shopping, I sit down and try on shoes.

Baseball is dull? At least most games are over in 3 hours give or take. You still haven't explained why I need several days to complete a test match? As for red cocktail dresses, I prefer them matched with 3" heels.  :) OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Arf !! Why do you want a perfectly good ballgame to be over in 3 hours? (You need to see more classic Red Sox games.) As for heels, I prefer to keep a foot firmly on them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Being a devout NL fan, I'm more used to 2.5 hour games. And as for your photo, I'm guessing that you're going to get a lot of offers here. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

(ec) OM, you may find Cricket terminology helpful. No doubt questions will be asked, so study up. I too used to puzzle over the length of test matches until I realized that golf was just as bad, but without any defence to make it interesting. SG, if I may inquire, will you be returning to your previous identity anytime soon? LeadSongDog (talk) 18:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

First on Cricket. Comparing it to golf is not helping me get interested. The only time I've watched a golf tournament is when I turn on Sportscenter and get the 35 second review. But more importantly, you have destroyed my image of SG now. My mind's eye had her looking like this.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Playing cricket has a lot in common with ballroom dancing, if that helps (I'm not keen on golf either - or ballroom dancing, actually). Verbal chat 19:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Ballroom dancing should not be done with converse. You're distracting me from completing my blog about Obama and healthcare insurance. I keep coming to Wikipedia for links, and I see the bright orange bar indicating I have a new message. Then I have to go find good Diane Lane links (yes, I'm infatuated with her).OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, now I'm supposed to live up to Diane Lane? Well, in that case, try keeping up with this. (I think all of your orange bar problems could be solved by putting a banner at the top of the page banning talk about cricket, basketball, golf, fiber, octagenarians, and don't forget bowling while we're on such exciting topics ...) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:14, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Bowling is nice, and a lot of puffers came from there! . dave souza, talk 21:01, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Just as long as you're not an octogenarian. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

This damn page. Keeper | 76 20:17, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Just so long as shuffleboard and tiddlywinks are still permitted... LeadSongDog (talk) 20:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

And Keeper76 shows up for some vandalism. If only Boris and MastCell come along, the day will be complete.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 20:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

So how do we get this on the main page? DYK? Or in the news section with photos? Verbal chat 21:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I think SG has some superpowers with respect to the main page. But I could be misguided. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:33, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

In spite of your impeccable taste, you are misguided on that score. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Well that's what happens when one shoves a pencil up his nose. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I read your page at least a couple of times a week, for the chuckles. I don't usually contribute anymore. The jokes are either entirely too sophisticated and therefore intimidating, or they're just too stupid to bother with. I'll let you decide how this thread is going. :-) By the way, MLB Network is very promising if you can get it on your cable service. Of course, with such a small fan base (12 people) for baseball down there, they may not even bother with it. Keeper | 76 02:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw this edit summary and thought Keeper was trying to talk up the SEC to which I would have responded that if Syracuse defected to the SEC it would at least improve the IQ of both conferences. --JayHenry (talk) 02:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Blackadder thread

Tddlywinks? Cricket?

Blackadder: Well, for God's sake, George, how long have you been in the army?
George: Oh, me? Oh, I joined up straight away, sir! August the 4th, 1914. God, what a day that was! Myself and the rest of the fellows, leapfrogging down to the Cambridge recruiting office and then, playing tiddlywinks in the queue. We'd hammered Oxford's tiddlywinkers only the week before and there we were, off to hammer the Boche! Crushingly superb bunch of blokes. Fine, clean-limbed… even their acne had a strange nobility about it.
Blackadder: Yes, and how are all the boys now?
George: Oh, uh, well… Jacko and the Badger bought it at the first Ypres, unfortunately. What a shock, there. I remember Bumfluff's house-master wrote and told me that Sticky'd been out for a duck, and the Gubber had snitched a parcel sausage-end and gone goose-over-stump frogside.
Blackadder: Meaning?

George: I don't know, sir, but I read in the Times that they'd both been killed.

SG: You left cocktail dresses off... Verbal chat 20:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, that last ought to get OM's imagination restarted.LeadSongDog (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I was forced to watch Blackadder when I lived in the Netherlands. Everyone in the office loved it, and it was in English (of some form that was totally unfamiliar to me). Of English humor TV, I'm more of a Monty Python fan. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:00, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Try sticking pencils up your nose. . dave souza, talk 21:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

That's how I stimulate my brain. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:05, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Great: I get this from Orange sticking pencils up his nose. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

See that's what I hate about Wikipedia. It perfectly remembers drunk editing. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Next time, hide the pencils before you drink. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Good advice. Or hide the drink before using pencils? OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Here you go, just add BoSox cap. Don't say I never gave you anything.LeadSongDog (talk) 21:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Still picturing Diane Lane = SG. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

You'd never catch me wearing this, this, this, this, or this. (She seems to go for the exaggerated shiny fabrics.) Nice earrings, though. Someone should introduce your Diane to the First Lady of Gowns. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I personally wouldn't complain about Diane Lane in any of your this's. Oh, wait a minute, that was Diane Lane in each this. However the purple dress with long slit would be my fav. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

ACC in the national title

There's an ACC team in the national title game! Sadly, it's the officiating crew. ;) --B (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

So, what's the prediction. I still have time to call the non-existent bookie. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 01:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

My prediction is at least 5 more horribly bad mistakes by the Fox crew calling the game. Here's what I have so far:

• "Tebow in trouble and he'll scramble for a gain of one. (a pause for about 5 seconds - I'm thinking, he sure looked like he got more than one) And he will get five more after that for a gain of six."
• When Oklahoma was on the goalline, they called 2nd down 3rd down, 3rd down 4th down, then when they still had the ball, they realized they were a down off. The commentator apologizes for not helping the play-by-play guy out there.
• On UF's TD, the receiver's rear end looked like it was down on the ground. They showed us 4 angles and paused it with the ball breaking the plane and still in his hand. Ok, fine, I believe you, it's not a fumble, but how about pausing it where his rear end hits the ground and seeing if the ball is over the line yet.

I sure don't remember Fox being this bad last year - they have just been awful this bowl season. --B (talk) 02:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Video

I thought with the work you've done with free energy and cold fusion recently you'd appreciate this video. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

ROFLMAO! But does the Turbo Encabulator also dice tomatoes? KillerChihuahua^?!? 17:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It's like the laws of cricket. It's obviously a fake because they mispronounced Zeitschrift für Physik. But does it blend? Verbal chat 17:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents/Bishonen-FT2

Smoky sez: ONLY YOU can prevent WikiDrama.

FYI in case you wanted to grab some popcorn. --B (talk) 22:50, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

This appears a multiple-bucket popcorn show. I'll also need to have a couple of sodas too. If only the Fox sports broadcasters would join in, then it would be perfect. I'm amused the one or two admins that are showing support for FT2. I saw my name showed up, thanks to MastCell. LOL. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 02:43, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey did the project go in to the Twilight Zone while I was sleeping?! Wikipolitics at its best, past the popcorn, no wait, can't eat that, anyone have some chocolate? :) --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure the snack counter will have anything you need. I'm hoping that they provide real butter for the popcorn. I hate that fake grease stuff. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry I commented at all. I completely ignored both of my Notes to Self.

I actually feel bad for FT2 - I sometimes forget how vicious this place can be. He doesn't get enough credit for the good work he's done - specifically, the Poetlister thing comes to mind. I can't get too worked up about the oversight thing, because at bottom I think he was just concerned about his privacy, and I could see myself acting similarly if I were in his position. But all he had to say was that he asked for help with privacy issues and then misspoke later because he'd forgotten the specifics. I think he Plaxicoed himself with the verbose stonewalling and buck-shifting. The problem is that Wikipedians tend to eschew a statement like "I lack confidence in FT2's judgement as an Arbitrator" in favor of statements like "FT2 is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself." I've subscribed to the former at least since a certain eponymous ArbCom case, while I think the latter is cruelly overblown.

By the way, did you notice that "tag team" is now defined as... no, I'm not going there. Nevermind. MastCell ^Talk 17:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I tried not to pick on you about that, but..... I just think you care about this place. I have a different opinion of FT2, of course. I laughed at Elonka's comments all around, but others have replied appropriately. Bish's response was perfect. And as for Elonka's definition of tag team...has she looked at the crowd who are adding comments? Many of them dislike each other. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:38, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Right (looks like I'm aligned with Slim and Geogre, two people who dislike me :-) I agree with just about everything MastCell wrote: my reasons for losing confidence in FT2 are different than everything else raised. IMO, the community wants arbs who are responsive to the community, aware that they "serve", and in touch, in the style of NYB or Kirill: FT2 is not any of that, and the arrogance isn't working. He should just step aside. I'm sporadically keeping up with the Elonka, Bish exchanges: even if Elonka argues (unconvincingly) that Bish was wrong and Elonka has not abused tools,[3] Bish has done as much to help Wiki as Elonka has done to harm it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Did you read Shot Info's response to Elonka? One of the better comments in this drama. Why did Elonka's RfA succeed? Oh, yeah, I remember. Something about voluntarily stepping down if good faith editors requested it. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:52, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

He isn't arrogant, it's just that His modesty knows no bounds, He is supremley modest, His modesty is noble even... Elonka would be funny if she wasn't an administrator. Verbal chat 17:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Elonka would be ignored if she wasn't an admin. Wait a minute, most of us ignore her now. The anti-Science crowd fete her constantly, so she thinks she's popular. Weird. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Elonka was controversial even before she became an admin. See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3. (By the way, this was one of the rare occasions I was right about something, see oppose #44.) Who didn't see problems coming here? Anyone ... anyone ... Bueller? — Preceding unsigned comment added by B (talk • contribs) 18:64, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

She actually placed a warning that she would block me for using Twinkle to revert some edit warring at some article today. I promptly deleted it, mainly because she hasn't a clue about anything that really matters at Wikipedia. She must have read our thread here, and decided that being the wimp that I am, I would quickly end this conversation, because she's the all-powerful admin. Yeah right. Anyways, she once sent me an email making some spurious and ridiculous comments about another editor, an email that was right on the verge of being slander. I noticed that she has done this before. Wow. Just wow. And when I forwarded the email to ArbCom, who should reply to me about it? FT2. No wonder she's supporting him--without FT2, maybe Elonka's comeuppance will be at hand.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 10:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

(triple ec) Not sure I saw Shot Info's response (where? my interest wanes). In addition to the AOR claim, it succeeded because Tim Vickers nommed her, when he was nomming lots of editors because a change to allow IPs to create articles was in the works. Without Tim's name, I doubt the candidacy would have succeeded. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This was a classic from Shot Info. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually I liked Bishonen's better, that Shot Info's was a reply to, because it said all that without actually saying any of it. I appreciate understatement, I guess.Woonpton (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Good point. But remember, there are readers who fail to understand well-written sarcasm, so Shot Info needed to go for the blunt sarcasm. Taken together, it's just about perfect. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 18:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This qualifies as one of the best pieces of sarcasm written on Wikipedia in a long time. I applaud it. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 19:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's okay but I like this one better. I guess I like Bish's satire better than Giano's, a little subtler. But these are fine distinctions.Woonpton (talk) 21:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, that takes the championship trophy. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, your point is well taken, and you said a mouthful there, about readers that don't understand sarcasm, or satire either. I find the prevalence of this disability in Wikipedia remarkable and alarming.Woonpton (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Some psychiatrists believe that frequent sarcasm is Passive aggressive. However, I believe that writing and understanding sarcasm requires a high level of intelligence.  :) Oh, and it's still probably passive aggressive. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 21:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well, "some psychiatrists" say a lot of weird (stuff) but I wouldn't put much stock in it. I'd say if the sarcasm is mean, then it's not all that passive, since the meanness in mean sarcasm is usually evident in the tone (in other words the aggression is fairly straightforward) and if it's not mean, then it's not aggressive. So I wouldn't say that fits very well. At any rate, this is one of the many diagnoses or behavioral descriptions that aren't well established or agreed upon. One of my graduate degrees is in psychology, and I would characterize passive-aggression as anger and hostility carefully hidden under a layer of superficial niceness (or civility, if you will). It's deceitful (although not always consciously so) and creepy, because it's so perverse (in the sense of not-straightforward). There's a lot of passive aggression in Wikipedia, but where I see it is in people who are always superficially civil but at the same time manipulative and obstructive and impossible to work with because they don't share the same values or the same goals, so they're always working against you with a great deal of cheerful civility, but at the same time a great deal of hidden animosity. That's the kind of people who keep me from working in Wikipedia. My 2 cents, if that. Woonpton (talk) 00:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

heads up

You have been mentioned here, albeit in a tangential way. FYI. Slrubenstein | Talk 16:41, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been watching all the threads. No need for me to comment, since I'd just come across as hateful. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 17:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I've learned something about WP

If you are going to make people mad at you here, make sure it's enough people to form a lynch mob, because everyone pities a lynching victim, whether he deserves it or not.

Problem with one = content dispute

Problem with ten = indef block

Problem with thirty = "Lay off, you big bunch of meanies braying for blood!!! Just chill out and have some fricken tea, why doncha??!?"

Aunt Entropy (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

You've learned much grasshopper. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

FAC revisited

Orangemarlin, I apologize about my previous suggestions on the Syracuse University FAC. You were correct that my comments were not made entirely in the spirit of WP:AGF. In the spirit of WikiLove, I sincerely apologize. (Please don't try to get me blocked.) I did a Google News search of Syracuse to see if there's any recent news stories that might be useful for you to use in the FAC. Amazingly, I found two very recent articles from high-quality sources that were not in the article. I enjoyed reading the following articles, and since you have an interest in Syracuse, you might too:

• Georgetown Throws Down Syracuse, 88-74
• Juiced-Up Hoyas Crush Orange; Georgetown Shoots 59 Percent, Never Trails Against Syracuse : Georgetown 88, Syracuse 74
• Of particular interest, I see that in his most recent game the one Syracuse guard hit four 3's but 0 women.

Hope this is useful. All the best. Your good friend and dedicated helper, --JayHenry (talk) 05:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

You are permanently on my list of evil Wikipedians. I hold you in utter contempt. I shall do everything to disrupt and harass you at every chance. And in honor of the passing of Khan, "revenge is a dish best served cold". Wikilove my ass...what the hell is a Hoya??????? OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 09:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I think an hoya is the feminine of an hoyo, which is a hole or a pit in Spanish. HTH, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

FT2

See User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Open_letter_from_FT2 Verbal chat 09:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, saw it. It qualifies under WP:TLDR. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 10:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I have an urge to shout "KHHHHHHHAAAAAAAN" for some reason. Verbal chat 10:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan was the best of the movies. By far. And remember, I'm an old fart, so I actually watched Space Seed on TV when it was on NBC in 1967. And there wasn't any 1080p high-def TV either. And I walked uphill in both directions in 10 feet of snow. Well, there was snow in Los Angeles, even back then before global warming. But I digress. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 10:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

So, I decided to read it a bit more (thereby, reducing my sleep tonight by a full hour). So, did he or did he not resign? I can't tell. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 10:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

He's stepped down, until a hearing (the design of which he outlines). I've asked for a clarification. He isn't contrite though. I have to agree, it is my favourite Trek film. Unrelated, I'm probably in trouble over at the List of pseudosciences talk page - I would consider that an abuse of admin tools. Verbal chat 10:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

She won't threaten you with a block, because you haven't contributed to the thread above about the current wiki-drama. As for FT2, this is a mockery of everything that should make a great Wikipedia.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 10:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

You might want to have a look at this piece of crud masquerading as a medical article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_intolerance

I'm not an expert, but it looks like there is a whole load of pseudoscience and not much fact. It seems to be mostly based on the pseudoscientific definition of food intolerance, rather than the actual definition. I can't even tell whether or it any of the stuff is actually backed up by the references because they're all stuck at the end. I just removed a few obvious bits of crap but I suspect it needs a lot more work. I don't have time to work on it right now anyway, but I'd be interested in seeing if you have any thoughts about it. --sciencewatcher (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It's a piece of crud, because it's badly referenced (so far, few of the references actually support the writing) and it is a long way from passing WP:MEDMOS. However, there is some evidence of IgE issues with certain foods. But, it is totally unbalanced. It's a POS right now, and I've tagged it as such. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 04:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Of all the templates we have deleted, this is the one I miss most ({{sucks}}:

This article sucks and is in need of attention. Please improve it in any way you see fit.

Alas poor Hoover; we know them well. Antandrus (talk) 04:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Jimmy Dyson to me. Dam that Hoover. . dave souza, talk 11:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I never saw that before. We can't use it? OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 04:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I was checking links. Elimination diet is worse by far. I checked out the history, and I wasn't shocked by the contributors. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 04:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Can we put them on it? Just asking...LeadSongDog (talk) 04:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, an elimination diet is actually a reasonable way to approach a potential food allergy or sensitivity. Our article could be better, I guess. This article (PMID 15864086) might be a good starting point. There are some iffy food-allergy tests out there (PMID 18489614), but elimination diets (combined with oral food challenges) are a reasonable part of the diagnostic algorithm (PMID 10678717). MastCell ^Talk 07:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

My concern with the article is that it is written in a manner that offends my sensibilities of what constitutes a well-written article, not that I think it's another form of colon cleansing. But I remain highly skeptical of any of this environmental allergen are the root of all medical issues POV. Some parts are written "ok". Some are cruft. And being a part of the "diagnostic algorithm" is quite different than what reads like the only diagnostic tool available for a whole host of diseases, like diabetes. My issue with Food intolerance article is not that I think it's BS (I don't), it's because it was written in a manner that makes a relatively intelligent reader think it's BS. And elimination diet, is an odd word. Again, it makes it appear that eliminate the right things, we cure cancer, diabetes, and ED. (I exaggerate for dramatic effect.) I think the two articles should be combined into one. I don't want to find that Oprah is on the new elimination diet that she found on Wikipedia.  :) And thanks for bringing logic to this discussion. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 08:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, A Cure for Cancer. . . . dave souza, talk 11:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm... I prefer No Cure for Cancer. MastCell ^Talk 19:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

When I got diagnosed with Crohn's disease my doctor had me do a diary with an dietician with an Elimination diet. I just read this article and it's nothing like what I expected it to read. If it stays in this state the article title should be merged to food allergies or something. This article is nothing like what I was taught about how to use the elimination diet. Just a thought, --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Holy crap I opened a can of worms. One problem with the article is that they seem to be lumping all sorts of food intolerance together. Maybe there should be a separate short section for each type of food intolerance, with links to the main articles for each. As I understand it (and I'm no expert), IgE is well established, as is lactose, gluten and certain chemicals such as sulphides. Others such as IgG are mostly unproven although there is some evidence that IgG might play a role in IBS (although it is not proven). The IgG is also the version of food intolerance that is used by all the quacks, and it appears to be the version that this article is mostly describing. Quackwatch also has a good article on dubious food intolerance tests. My own guess is that IgG does play a role in IBS, along with stress, but you probably need to actually do the test on the IgG from the gut itself, not using the blood which is how the ALCAT test does it. But that's irrelevant for the article. --sciencewatcher (talk) 16:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought IBS was what you have when they don't know, or are to lazy to find out, what you have. And shouldn't the IBS article say so? I've seen a specialist misdiagnose Spigelian hernia as IBS.Mccready (talk) 16:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I open cans of worms around here every day. That's what we're supposed to do. I restructured the article (with lots of unwritten sections) using WP:MEDMOS, which allows us to bring it together with legitimate research on what the disease is and is not. Using the elimination diet for diagnosis of Crohn's disease is perfectly legitimate, but that article makes me picture something altogether. MastCell is correct that it is an important diagnostic tool, but I disagree with him that it's not that bad of an article. It stinks in just the way CG says. And there is a lot of cruft in both articles. Lots. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 16:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

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Orangemarlin, I am very sorry to have had to take this step, but I am hereby formally notifying you of the potential of future ArbCom sanctions. Over the last few months, your actions have been disruptive within the topic area of pseudoscience. You use Twinkle to engage in revert wars without participating in substantive discussion at the talkpage,[4][5][6][7] sometimes even using Twinkle to revert other good faith editors as though they were vandals.[8] You have been making threats and false statements,[9][10] and you have ignored previous cautions.[11][12] Please consider this your last warning. If you continue to act in a disruptive manner, your editing privileges in this topic area may be restricted. Orangemarlin, you're normally a very good editor. You have done an enormous amount of excellent work on Wikipedia, and your efforts are appreciated. To avoid any possibility of sanctions, please, just follow a few simple rules: Stay very civil in your comments and edit summaries, avoid edit-warring, and do your best to engage in civil and collegial discussion over matters that are in dispute, by keeping comments focused on direct improvements to the related articles. These are good methods to approach dispute resolution, and will help to result in positive and long-lasting changes to Wikipedia. Thanks, --Elonka 19:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)