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Transcendental Meditation® program[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transcendental Meditation® program → Transcendental Meditation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Transcendental Meditation(r) program → Transcendental Meditation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No evidence that any use of a registered trademark applies to the target. In addition, the version of these redirects without the registered trademark designation, Transcendental Meditation program, is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Inclusion of registration symbols in titles implies endorsement by Wikipedia of claims to intellectual property rights that are beyond our scope. BD2412 T 20:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm no expert in this area-although I have edited on TM articles in the past. I do know Transcendental Meditation is trademarked, and my understanding, and this is from many years ago, was that we had to include the trademark symbol when using the words Transcendental Meditation. Whether that matters to Wikipedia or in this instance, I don't know but this is what I remember, for what that's worth. Littleolive oil (talk) 03:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The problem, to me, is with "is trademarked". Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia. Is the phrase trademarked everywhere in the world? Will it always be? Trademarks expire after a time. It's not our job to police trademarks claimed by others. BD2412 T 04:51, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BD2412 and MOS:®, which says "Do not use the ™ and ® symbols, or similar, in either article text or citations, unless unavoidably necessary for context." The terms also seem potentially promotional, trying to use Wikipedia to promote a claim of protection of these terms. Lots of terms used on Wikipedia are claimed as trademarks, and we shouldn't encourage a proliferation of such redirects. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Transcendental Meditation is trademarked worldwide and has been for decades nor is it promotional to simply use such a legitimate trademark. Those arguments are spurious. However, if Wikipedia has a guideline that prohibits trademarks, however legitimate, than I can understand a deletion. However, please do the research as to the legitimacy of the trademark before supporting a deletion, based on inaccurate claims. Because I don't see, at this point, legitimate arguments for deletion I am now going to vote Keep although, I had no intention of bothering with this. I thought there was something legitimate here, but I don't see that, at this point. Littleolive oil (talk) 18:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transcendental Meditation®/TM® are registered or common law trademarks, licensed to Maharishi Foundation USA, a 501(c)(3) non-profit educational organization.
This is merely a reference to registration in the United States. There are scores of countries with trademark registration systems. Is it registered in China? In South Africa? In New Zealand? BD2412 T 21:24, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would assume so since the Maharishi Foundation is a world-wide org, but I'm no expert in this area. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be. I don't care one way or the other whether this is deleted or not, but I wouldn't mind if the information on the reason to delete was accurate and so far so one has contributed anything more than opinions? I guess because of that I'd just leave it the way it is now, but not attached. Littleolive oil (talk) 23:37, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. For the record, "assume" is the "mother of all screwups" (according to a semi-public figure I admire deeply, a paraphrase, I'll grant; my father used quite a different phrase). Based on MOS, we don't include service marks. That's not an opinion. That's a guideline which we are required to follow. Wikipedia doesn't endorse trademarks, although we do take such copyright quite seriously. We are not a platform for defending service marks of any kind. That's a matter for the holders' legal advisors. BusterD (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. This is a leftover from a 2003-era page move carried out explicitly to remove the (R) symbol from a page title, and is no longer needed. — The Anome (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My comment was in reference to the several assumptions made here. I have no concerns with deleting based on Wikipedia guides. Littleolive oil (talk) 15:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A similar discussion, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 2#Redirects indicating "®" status, was recently closed to "delete". Steel1943 (talk) 05:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus[edit]

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TheTekkitRealm[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:21, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TheTekkitRealm → Me at the zoo#COM-TEST (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at the target, nor is the target mentioned at the linked draft, Draft:TheTekkitRealm. Delete unless a justification can be provided. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is obviously a semi-hoax about a non-notable subject, but totally irrelevant to the target. It's just WP:FANCRUFT from a now blocked user and should have been a speedy delete. — Smuckola (talk) 20:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Smuckola. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As much as I love TekkitRealm, he is completely unrelated to "Me at the zoo" and he's still not notable either. Gerald WL 02:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Rickrolling#Ongoing usage There doesn't seem to be any reliable source covering his videos about COM-TEST or Me at the zoo, however, given the secondary sources in the draft, I believe the YouTuber can be mentioned in the Rickrolling article, and this redirect can point there. TheTekkitRealm rickrolling Guiness World Records staff and creating an ad with the original music video could be worth noticing. ObserveOwl (talk) 08:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as misleading. Veverve (talk) 01:11, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Droid \(font\)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Droid \(font\) → Droid fonts (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely/WP:COSTLY redirect due to the implausible use of regex escape characters for the parentheses for the disambiguator. The version without regex escape characters, Droid (font), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Also, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 24#Khaled \(musician\) for further reference. Steel1943 (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Note that I have unilaterally moved the target article to Droid (typeface) to match other articles about typefaces. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:45, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Junk food vegan[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Junk food vegan → Veganism#Vegan nutrition (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Junk food" is not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear what this redirect is meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is a distinct concept of diets that are technically vegan but still unhealthy due to excessive junk food content. That is probably something that should be covered somewhere in the encyclopedia. BD2412 T 22:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Fastest NFL Player[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:17, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fastest NFL Player → Tyreek Hill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

According to the target article, Tyreek Hill set a speed record for the 2016 season, but I don't see any indication that he is considered the fastest in the timeless way suggested by this search term. I also don't see any speed records at List of National Football League records (individual), leading me to think that deletion is the best option. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:52, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, this isn't Guinness World Records or similar. This article says that John Ross is the current holder of this speed record he set for 2017, but even his page wouldn't be the best target for this thing, as the record holder is subject to change throughout the years. Also, people have varying opinions as to who's the fastest player in the NFL, and there are a bunch of different areas in which one can hold that title. Regards, SONIC678 20:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't think there's a suitable target for this. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 20:16, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, Hill is known by some (myself included) as the fastest NFL player, and has gained some coverage for it, see [1], [2], [3], though I'm not sure this should be a redirect page. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to 40-yard dash#Records. This seems to be a better target where people can see the fastest NFL players by the most frequently used metric—their 40-yard dash time. — Mhawk10 (talk) 20:06, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per above and WP:UNHELPFUL - also fails WP:V. eviolite (talk) 12:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – While he is considered to be the fastest player in the NFL, this is not a page that should be a redirect. It should be left red or properly flushed out. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fastest at what? Unless there's some official way sources use this phrase, it's vague and also due to have its target become outdated at some point. To much vagueness and maintenance. Steel1943 (talk) 18:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Salad vegetable[edit]

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Shabji[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Sabzi#Culinary uses. MBisanz ^talk 19:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shabji → Vegetable (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete per WP:FORRED. This redirect seems to be in the Bengali language, which the target article's subject does not have affinity. Steel1943 (talk) 13:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Per WP:FORRED: non-English title is in common use. I have takeaway menus for two separate UK restaurants. My options include (1) Shabji Bhajee £3.25 (Fresh mixed vegetables) & Shabji Sag £3.25 (Fresh mixed vegetables cooked with spinach).(2) Shabji Paneer £3.50 (no translation). Hazardous to Health (talk) 16:52, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- ...And what type of cuisine do these restaurants represent? Seems like a cuisine type that uses a foreign language. The menu items you listed may be okay to have on this Wikipedia per WP:FORRED due to not having a proper English translation and/or being more commonly known in English by their foreign-language term/phrases, but the individual words themselves should be deleted per WP:FORRED since the subject of the word itself does not have affinity to the language which it is in. (In other words, "delete per WP:FORRED" should be valid for the nominated redirect.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - (1) "Indian & Bangladeshi" (2) "Indian Cuisine" [[WP:FORRED] in a nutshell: Redirects from other languages should generally be avoided unless a well-grounded rationale can be provided for their inclusion. I do not live in a city and yet both these restaurants are within walking distance of me. I believe you are from North America, so I suspect, from your persective, the inclusion has little use. But in the UK Indian and Anglo-Indian cuisine is so pervasive that the last link is actually a sub-section of "English cuisine"! Hazardous to Health (talk) 07:12, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Your comment didn't address my point in the least, and the point you are mentioning again is menu items (phrases which include the word) rather than the individual word itself. Please reread my comment if necessary and, if needed, address what I was stating rather than, I'm assuming unintentionally, WP:BLUDGEON-ing your stance. Steel1943 (talk) 15:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - WP:Redirects are cheap...I answered your question and explained why the redirect is useful (not essential - useful). Hazardous to Health (talk) 06:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination and nom's arguments that while the cuisine would have made sense, this word by itself doesn't, unless we have a better target. Jay (talk) 09:40, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Jay. Retarget Sabzi as second choice (I'm not entirely sure but I think shabji is the same thing as In Indian cuisine, a vegetable cooked in gravy, also spelled sabji, based on a bit of Googling, so it could also be a valid transliteration of the other terms?). eviolite (talk) 12:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Re-Redirect as addditional context has been unearthed. See my Comment above - now amended. Shabji (Prev >> Vegetable) is an alternate spelling for Sabji (Prev >> Curry). I have redirected both to Sabzi#Culinary uses and thus a well-grounded rationale can be provided for their inclusion Hazardous to Health (talk) 11:16, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I've reverted the edit on Shabji since the RFD has not closed yet, so changing its target can be considered disruptive. However, at the present time, I have no opinion in the matter regarding this proposed option for the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 17:48, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I've listed Sabji for discussion. See WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 31#Sabji. Jay (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I also have struck off your previous keep vote, to avoid the confusion of a double vote. Jay (talk) 20:35, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sabzi#Culinary uses, as that does appear to be a helpful target. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:47, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Fruit vegetable[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 4#Fruit vegetable

Mammoth tank[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Panzer VIII Maus#Development. Jay (talk) 07:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mammoth tank → Command & Conquer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete - not mentioned in main article and fictional cruft. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 11:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Very kick ass unit but has no significant bearing in real life and in the game's lore--Lenticel ^(talk) 00:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Panzer VIII Maus, a real-life tank that had the codename Mammoth, per our article -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Panzer VIII Maus#Development where this name is mentioned, rather than just the article, then bolding the name per MOS:BOLDREDIRECT. A7V2 (talk) 00:10, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would be more inclined to disambiguate, but have no objection to the proposed retargeting. BD2412 T 00:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Aside from the WWII panzer, what would be the potential targets? -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Any exceptionally large tank, I suppose. Or, a tank in which one keeps a reconstituted woolly mammoth as a specimen. BD2412 T 17:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Those (military armored vehicles) are called superheavy tanks, which could be indicated with a hatnote at the Maus article if needed -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:S[edit]

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.日本国[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay (talk) 07:15, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

.日本国 → .jp (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

deletion, .日本国 is not a real domain and (unlike the proposed .日本) is not mentioned anywhere on the page, so there's no reason to redirect it to that page. Epicpkmn11 (talk) 06:37, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Charles Gerard Conn[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Charles G. Conn. Jay (talk) 07:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Gerard Conn → C.G. Conn (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is there a reason that this points to the company founded by Charles G. Conn, rather than pointing to the person? BD2412 T 02:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nom. The companny doesn't seem to ever be referred to as the founder's full name so I think WP:ASTONISH applies. eviolite (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget per nom. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Consanguinity (in Canon Law)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. However, there is implicit support for the creation of the disambiguation with a properly titled Consanguinity (canon law). Jay (talk) 06:57, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consanguinity (in Canon Law) → Consanguinity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I think it should be turned into a DAB with Consanguinity#Christianity and Affinity (Catholic canon law). However, the capitalisation of the redirect is clearly wrong (it should be "Consanguinity (canon law)", see Canon law). What do you think? Veverve (talk) 13:06, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If such a DAB is created, it would be reasonable to retarget this there. If this RfD is considering whether to keep or delete, then I'd lean delete. "in" + "Canon Law" is a doubly nonstandard disambiguator. On the other hand, it's been around 16 years and does decent pageviews, so I could also see the case for keeping. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, actually, per my comment at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 19 § Bigamy (in Civil Law). -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 17:37, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as badly capitalised, and unnecessary disambiguation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Stevens grips[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay (talk) 06:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stevens grips → Stevens grip (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I made this redirect by accident during a page move. As the CSD was not formally met, I want to open up a discussion to delete this redirect. I doubt my typo is actually helpful. Why? I Ask (talk) 22:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Default to ~~keep~~ comment since the nominator's rationale is invalid per this diff; the title existed as a redirect prior to the nominator overwriting it. Steel1943 (talk) 23:01, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That was Stevens grip, not Steven grips. An error was made during the page move. Stevens grip and Stevens technique are the pages in question and aren't nominated for deletion. Why? I Ask (talk) 23:14, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I see that now after noticing the WP:ROUNDROBIN moves that DrVogel performed in the edit history. Steel1943 (talk) 02:15, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IMO this ought to have qualified for G7 or G6, but since it's been sent here, and this doesn't seem to be a countable noun, sure, delete. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 18:16, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is the subject not plurable? If I see a group of people each using the Stevens grip, can I not say they are using Stevens grips? BD2412 T 22:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could say that people use many types of grips and Stevens grip is one of them, but "Stevens grip" itself is not a countable noun. It would be like saying "the banjoists played in Keith styles" or "they were fakings". It doesn't make much sense. Why? I Ask (talk) 00:48, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, in that case. BD2412 T 17:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Tamzin and nom. eviolite (talk) 12:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Seems to be an honest mistake. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:05, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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-This redirect has arisen due to a recent effort to assign a [[WP:POV]] title to [[Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus]]. It is well-established by scholars that the situation was nothing like a "genocide". ([[Sumantra Bose]] points out that 32 Hindus were apparently killed, in targeted assassinations.) There is currently an avalanche of edit requests at [[Talk:Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus]] asking for the page to mention a supposed "genocide". The POV title was also used during [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Kashmir_Files&diff=prev&oldid=997363753 the editing] of the page on ''[[The Kashmir Files]]'', and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Kashmir_Files&diff=prev&oldid=1076661061 redirect linked from it]. I think this redirect is too prejudicial and should be deleted. [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 15:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC) <small>Another diff added. [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 17:03, 13 March 2022 (UTC) </small>
-:<small>As this redirect is fully protected, I've filed an edit request to tag it. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 16:50, 13 March 2022 (UTC)</small>
-::<small>Taken care of</small> <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' Delete pursuant to nomination. All scholars use either "exodus" or "migration" or "internal displacement" to describe the condemnable events. [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 17:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete absent mention'''. If a large number of people feel, even incorrectly, that this was a genocide, then that should be discussed in the article (with [[WP:DUE|due weight]]). Footnotes 21 and 34, both citing page 23 of  "A departure from history: Kashmiri Pandits, 1990–2001" by Alexander Evans, support the idea that this is a noteworthy if incorrect perspective. However, so long as the article does ''not'' discuss this perspective at any length, there should not be a [[WP:RNEUTRAL|non-neutral redirect]] of this sort, as, absent context clarifying such redirects' non-neutrality, they risk putting misstatements in the encyclopedia's voice. See also {{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_5#Gaza_genocide}} and {{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_20#Gaza_Holocaust}}. If the article does come to cover this perspective, this should be recreated, probably refined to an appropriate section within the article. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 18:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' Wikipedia is beholden to reliable sources, and in controversial subject areas scholarly tertiary sources (See [[WP:SOURCETYPES]] and [[WP:TERTIARY]]). The most widely-used scholarly textbook on modern Indian history is: [[Barbara D. Metcalf]] and [[Thomas R. Metcalf]]'s ''A Concise History of Modern India'', Cambridge, 2006. says, "The Hindu Pandits, a small but influential elite community who had secured a favorable position, first under the maharajas and then under the successive Congress governments, ... felt under siege as the uprising gathered force. Upwards of 100,000 of approximately 140,000 left the state during the early 1990s; their cause was quickly taken up by the Hindu right. As the government sought to locate ‘suspects’ and weed out Pakistani ‘infiltrators’, the entire population was subjected to a fierce repression. By the end of the 1990s, the Indian military presence had escalated to approximately one soldier or paramilitary policeman for every five Kashmiris, and some 30,000 people had died in the conflict." It does not mention any genocide of Hindus, only the deaths of 30,000 Muslims at the hands of the Indian security forces. {{re|Tamzin}} has misunderstood due weight.  I urge them to read [[WP:TERTIARY]].  Alexander Evans is not a tertiary source.  ''We'' don't determine consensus or the lack thereof and then attempt in our own way to quantify it; only scholarly tertiary sources do that. [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 20:05, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:My view is simply that, if there's a fringe view popular enough that many people are coming to Wikipedia to promote it, it probably should be mentioned somewhere. Part of our encyclopedic mission is documenting misconceptions. <span class="nowrap"> <span style="font-family:courier">-- [[User:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">Tamzin</span>]]</span><sup>[''[[User talk:Tamzin|<span style="color:deeppink;">cetacean needed</span>]]'']</sup> (she/they)</span> 15:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*::Thanks for clarifying.  True, but it would still be better if the ''tertiary sources'' say that or something to that effect; e.g. if the Metcalfs had said, "their cause was quickly taken up by the Hindu right which characterized the exodus to be a genocide," or somesuch.  There probably ''are'' such sources.  Will look later. [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 17:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*::I think something like this from "Narratives from exile: Kashmiri Pandits and their constructions of the past," which is [[Mridu Rai]]'s chapter in ''Kashmir and the Future of South Asia'' edited by [[Sugata Bose]] and [[Ayesha Jalal]], Routledge, 2020: {{tq|Among those who stayed on is Sanjay Tickoo who heads the Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti (Committee for the Kashmiri Pandits’ Struggle). He had experienced the same threats as the Pandits who left. Yet, though admitting ‘intimidation and violence’ directed at Pandits and four massacres since 1990, he rejects as ‘propaganda’ stories of genocide or mass murder that Pandit organizations outside the Valley have circulated. For all that, Tickoo does not peddle myths of some utopia of communal harmony between Muslims and Pandits existing now or before 1989. He speaks of a distinct embittering of relations between the two communities when the insurgency began. ‘And these shifting sentiments’, he says, ‘were used by politicians on both sides, helping to stoke fear among the Hindu minority’.}} [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 17:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*An Exodus with the hallmark events of a Genocide and Holocaust like events, victims and witnesses of which are still alive needs to be called our as a genocide. [[User:Nayan576|Nayan576]] ([[User talk:Nayan576|talk]]) 10:06, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:{{user|Nayan576}} Welcome to Wikipedia!  I hope your stay will be enjoyable. How many Kashmiri Pandits were there in the valley and how many were killed by Muslim separatist groups?  In [[The Holocaust|the real Holocaust]] 6 million Jews were murdered; in the [[Romani genocide]] of the Gypsy/Roma people (who had originally migrated to Europe from India) 130,000 to 500,000 were murdered; in the [[Armenian genocide]] up to 1.5 million; and in the [[Cambodian genocide]] between 1.5 million and 2 million. So again: how many Kashmir pandits were there in the [[Kashmir valley]] and how many were murdered by the Muslims?  Unless you have watertight scholarly tertiary sources supporting your view, you are using the word "holocaust" lightly, and the inclusion of the edits you propose will be violating WP policy. This is because using "Holocaust" lightly is a form of [[Holocaust denial]]. [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 12:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:@[[User:Nayan576|Nayan576]] Out of 1724 killing by militants during past 3 decades 89 were KP's. [https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/in-3-decades-militants-killed-1724-in-jk-89-of-them-are-kashmiri-pandits-rti-reply-7673497/ Ref] <small><sub>signed، </sub></small>[[User:511KeV|<span style="font-family:sans-serif; color:#FF1100; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''511KeV'''</span>]] [[User_talk:511KeV|<sup>''(talk)''</sup>]] 13:40, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' – inappropriate per [[WP:RNEUTRAL]], as a non-neutral unestablished name (see point #3 and exceptions). [[User:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#6F0000;">Jr8825</span>]] • [[User Talk:Jr8825|<span style="font-family:'Trebuchet MS'; color:#4682B4;">Talk</span>]] 12:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nom & [[WP:RNEUTRAL]]. <small><sub>signed، </sub></small>[[User:511KeV|<span style="font-family:sans-serif; color:#FF1100; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''511KeV'''</span>]] [[User_talk:511KeV|<sup>''(talk)''</sup>]] 14:48, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' appears to be part of a NPOV push. There doesn't appear to be reliable sources for its use. LCU [[User:ActivelyDisinterested|ActivelyDisinterested]] '''∆[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|transmission]]∆''' °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|co-ords]]° 15:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' - The word genocide has been used for this event by at least two reliable sources that I can find, [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jammu/time-to-institute-special-crimes-tribunal-to-probe-genocide-against-kashmiri-pandits-ashwani-kumar-chrungoo/articleshow/90205544.cms ''The Times of India''] and [https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/the-kashmir-files-movie-review-a-disturbing-take-which-grips-and-gripes-in-turns/article65223787.ece ''The Hindu'']. It is a very likely search term from many people looking for this article.--''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 18:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' This redirect should be KEPT because multiple recent Reliable Sources such as Hindustan Times have referred to this as Genocide instead of Exodus. Please find few sources below. Old Scholarly hegemony cannot be used as perpetual consensus on Wiki, which must reflect recent reliable sources, as per WP:RS<ref>{{Cite news|date=2020-01-18|title=Kashmiri Pandits recreate "exodus" through Jan 19 exhibition|newspaper=The Hindustan Times|url=https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/kashmiri-pandits-recreate-exodus-through-jan-19-exhibition/story-sMjKC0ZSPLoxqnGkJpH2KL.html|access-date=2020-01-19}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|date=2016-01-19|title=When will we finally return home, ask displaced Kashmiri Pandits|url=https://www.firstpost.com/india/when-will-we-finally-return-home-ask-displaced-kashmiri-pandits-2590640.html|url-status=live|access-date=2021-06-08|website=Firstpost}}</ref>
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-:[[User:Jhy.rjwk|Jhy.rjwk]] ([[User talk:Jhy.rjwk|talk]]) 16:43, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[[Special:Contributions/Jhy.rjwk|contribs]]) 23:52, 14 March 2022 (UTC)</span> (<small>Relocated to chronologically correct place ([[Special:Diff/1077186590|new comments]] at bottom when added) — [[User:DaxServer|DaxServer]] ([[User talk:DaxServer|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/DaxServerOnMobile|m]] · [[Special:Contributions/DaxServer|c]]) 15:17, 19 March 2022 (UTC)</small>)
-::I wouldn't say they are reliable sources. India's press ranks extremely low when it comes to the Press Freedom Index, suggesting there is significant government interference. [https://rsf.org/en/ranking# It ranks 142 out of 180 countries]. [[User:NarSakSasLee|NarSakSasLee]] ([[User talk:NarSakSasLee|talk]]) 12:54, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-:::''The Hindu'' is perfectly fine per [[WP:RSPSS]].--''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 13:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-::::Have you read the ''The Hindu'' article? It isn't calling it a genocide, its a film review which says that {{xt|"[t]he film ... presents the tragic exodus as a full-scale genocide, akin to the Holocaust"}}, a film that the review itself describes as a {{xt|"revisionist docudrama"}} and states the following, {{xt|"[e]mploying some facts, some half-truths, and plenty of distortions, it propels an alternative view about the Kashmir issue"}}. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">[[User:Tayi Arajakate|<span style="color:#660000">'''Tayi Arajakate'''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Tayi Arajakate|<span style="color:#660000">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sub></span> 16:52, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-:::::It is critical of the film but does make a mention of the event as an alleged genocide. I can see it as a potential search term for readers of pieces like this.--''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 17:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-:::::Let's not treat film criticism as authentic fact. [[User:Dsnb07|Dsnb07]] ([[User talk:Dsnb07|talk]]) 23:09, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' and salt. The existence of the term used by a minority of RS does not justify the timesink that this redirect is; already, the full protection is being evaded by ethnonationalists redirecting [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1077340031&oldid=779505296&title=Ethnic_cleansing_of_Kashmiri_Hindus to this redirect] *facepalm* We do not need this, people.  [[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">SN54129</span>]] 21:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' Valid term backed by multiple reliable scholarly sources.[https://books.google.com/books?id=_PtNEAAAQBAJ&pg=PT246#v=onepage&q&f=false][https://books.google.com/books?id=ZOf1DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT8][https://books.google.com/books?id=ZqiaDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT172]  and not to forget how many media sources have used the same term so far. Whether the term is more authentic than "exodus" or "displacement" is not supposed to be discussed here.'''<i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><span style="color:#AC9F06">❯❯❯</span>[[User:Pravega|<span style="color:#F93B12">Pra</span><span style="color:#098922">vega</span>]]<sup>&nbsp;[[User talk:Pravega|g=9.8]]</sup></i>''' 06:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' as per Kautilya3. The death toll doesn't amount to anything even resembling a genocide, and it is rather insulting to even compare it to events such as the Holocaust, Armenian genocide and Srebrenica. It would be more appropriate to use the term refugee crisis or exodus. This redirect is a clear violation of [[WP:NPOV]]. [[User:NarSakSasLee|NarSakSasLee]] ([[User talk:NarSakSasLee|talk]]) 12:49, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' Reasonable redirect and the term has appeared in vast number of WP:RS. [[User:Shrikanthv|Shrikanthv]] ([[User talk:Shrikanthv|talk]]) 16:16, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' till there is a mention in the article (if it's found to have [[WP:DUE|due weight]]) per Tamzin (I couldn't have worded it better). The article at present doesn't cover the perspective at all, and as such without any context, the redirect presents a fringe inflammatory designation in the encyclopedia's voice. <span style="background-color:#B2BEB5;padding:2px 12px 2px 12px;font-size:10px">[[User:Tayi Arajakate|<span style="color:#660000">'''Tayi Arajakate'''</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Tayi Arajakate|<span style="color:#660000">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sub></span> 16:53, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
-* '''Keep''' : As per [[United Nations]] [[Genocide Convention]] there are five acts which are treated as [[Genocide]]. <small>(Source - wiki [[Genocide]] and [https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide source])</small> and in the case '''[[Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus]]''' first three applies.
-# Killing members of the group
-# Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group Article II(b)
-# Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction
-# Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
-# Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
-:[[User:Dsnb07|Dsnb07]] ([[User talk:Dsnb07|talk]]) 21:34, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
-* <s>'''Delete'''</s> per nom and Tamzin. There are a couple more - [[1990_Kashmiri_Pandit_genocide]] (since 2017) and [[Kashmiri Pandit genocide]] (created on March 14). Since they are essentially identical to this, is opening a new discussion for them necessary or can the result of this discussion be held applicable to them as well? [[User:Hemantha|Hemantha]] ([[User talk:Hemantha|talk]]) 10:22, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
-:Striking my vote on a closer read of RNEUTRAL and since the target now mentions genocide. [[User:Hemantha|Hemantha]] ([[User talk:Hemantha|talk]]) 09:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep'''  5000 people were killed which then lead to the exodus to 500000 people sources [https://www.jammukashmirnow.com/Encyc/2020/1/18/Killing-of-Telecom-Engineer-BK-Ganjoo-on-22nd-March-1990-by-terrorists-and-those-who-called-themselves-his-neighbours.html] , [https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/opinion-the-kashmir-files-is-just-tip-of-iceberg-genocide-in-pojk-is-far-worse-4883102.html], [https://medium.com/@aarti.tikoo/truth-of-kashmiri-hindu-exodus-e416dc2e7efe], [https://twitter.com/amaanbali/status/1287981027508416512],[https://ikashmir.net/atrocities/doc/atrocities.pdf]  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/122.179.43.63|122.179.43.63]] ([[User talk:122.179.43.63#top|talk]]) 14:56, 19 March 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <small>(Move to correct section — [[User:DaxServer|DaxServer]] ([[User talk:DaxServer|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/DaxServerOnMobile|m]] · [[Special:Contributions/DaxServer|c]]) 15:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC))</small>
-*'''Keep'''  per #5 at [[WP:R#KEEP]] and also per reliable sources provided by several editors above. I have also found a book titled "Genocide of Hindus in Kashmir".[https://books.google.com/books?id=oERuAAAAMAAJ] Those supporting deletion only deem the redirect to be representing the disputed title for the entire event but that is clearly not a valid criteria for deletion. [[User:Dhawangupta|Dhawangupta]] ([[User talk:Dhawangupta|talk]]) 17:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:The committee which authored/published the book you link, was set up by [http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/-pak-did-samjhauta...-probe-them-rahul-gandhi-digvijaya-/738849/3 RSS]. Hardly a reliable one, as are the others linked by the previous IP voter, which are blog posts and tweets. [[User:Hemantha|Hemantha]] ([[User talk:Hemantha|talk]]) 02:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
-:{{re|Dsnb07}} And yet we call them [[2002 Gujarat riots]] and [[2020 Delhi riots]]. What forked tongues we speak with when the Hindus do the killing [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 17:49, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' as per all such reasons given above. A [https://www.google.com/search?q=kashmir+genocide&rlz=1C1SQJL_enIN969IN969&oq=kashmir+genocide&aqs=chrome..69i57.3545j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 google search] for 'Kashmir genocide'also shows this as the top result. Also, to respond to [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gujarat_genocide&redirect=no Gujarat genocide] redirects to [[2002 Gujarat riots]]. [[User:Kpddg|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg</span>]] [[User talk:Kpddg|<span style="color:#228B22;text-shadow:skyblue 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>''(talk''</sup></span>]] <span style="color:#00008B"><sup>•</sup></span> [[Special:Contributions/Kpddg|<span style="color:#228B22;text-shadow:skyblue 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>''contribs)''</sup></span>]] 04:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:That is only *now* when the Hindu India of a Hindu majoritarian state is in all of a tizzy about being in a minority.  The Hindu nationalists might have forgotten this in their new found state of euphoric mourning, but WP has to also remember that many more Kashmiri Muslims have been killed by the Indian armed forces than Hindus by the Muslim insurgents, orders of magnitude more.  [[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 05:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
-*::This is your point of view. The recent movie released has prompted people regarding this issue. As far as I remember, Hindus are not in a state of minority. People are now aware of the atrocities commited. I am not saying that there has been no violece against others as well, but it is essential to be fair to all groups. When [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gujarat_genocide&redirect=no Gujarat genocide] can redirect to [[2002 Gujarat riots]], why can't it be done here too, as per the many reasons mentioned above. [[User:Kpddg|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg</span>]] [[User talk:Kpddg|<span style="color:#228B22;text-shadow:skyblue 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>''(talk''</sup></span>]] <span style="color:#00008B"><sup>•</sup></span> [[Special:Contributions/Kpddg|<span style="color:#228B22;text-shadow:skyblue 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>''contribs)''</sup></span>]] 05:43, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Delete''' per nom. We need more global academic consensus and commentary about figures before the term genocide comes into play. At least that is the criteria held against all other conflicts. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]]) 08:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-*:There doesn't seem to be any consensus regarding [[Gujarat genocide]] and [[1984 Sikh genocide]] either.--''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 07:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-*<s>'''Delete'''</s> per Tamzin. [[MOS:LABEL]] states that contentious labels should only be used when they are in wide use externally, and it does not appear that 'genocide' in reference to this event has seen "wide use". The sourcing that has been brought to light in this discussion is flimsy, especially the sources in the context of a film review. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-**Striking my delete now that it's mentioned. I'm not sure if the mention will stick, but since a lot of this comes on the heels of the film, perhaps another option would be to retarget to [[The Kashmir Files#Political messaging and historical accuracy]] where it's explained within the context of the film. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 23:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' The movie/documentary, "[[The Kashmir Files]]" is a super hit and as the word genocide has been used in the movie, a lot of people are searching online for the, "Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus", so I request that either this redirect should be kept or a new article for the, "Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus", should be created here on wikipedia - reliable sources are available for the same as I can see in the discussion above. A google search for, "Kashmir genocide" also shows the Wikipedia article as the top result.-[[User:Y2edit?|Y2edit?]] ([[User talk:Y2edit?|talk]]) 04:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
-:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' I note that discussion of the classification of genocide has now been added to the target, where it is described as a fringe view. Pinging editors whose "delete" !votes were contingent on lack of mention (or per an argument along the same lines): {{u|Tamzin}}, {{u|Tayi Arajakate}}, {{u|Hemantha}}<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --></p>
-* '''Keep''': As stated by others, it is a common search term, mentioned in RS and discussed in the article. [[User:Wikihc|Wikihc]] ([[User talk:Wikihc|talk]]) 18:34, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' - Reading through this discussion, I see relatively weak arguments on both sides: a lot of the keep arguments indulge in original research, but the invocation of  [[WP:RNEUTRAL]] to call for deletion also seems misplaced: while RS focused on the subject and region do not call the event a genocide, there appear to be sufficient sources of varying reliability that do call it a genocide (and I would agree with delete !voters, polemically so), such that a non-neutral redirect is appropriate, particularly as there is now discussion of whether or not the "genocide" label applies at the target. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 18:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Keep''' per Rosguill and tag with {{tl|R from non-neutral name}}. The use of the label "genocide", even if flagrantly incorrect, has become widespread enough for readers to plausibly use it while searching. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 17:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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