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Newcomer Writing His First Wiki Page

Hi,

This is my first time in the Teahouse. I've been thinking to write/correct some articles. I have this hesitation to not write anything. How did you overcome this problem in your early wikipedia days? Knowledgeelephant (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you really do get over that hesitation as you're always learning new stuff on Wikipedia, but there are things that will at least make you feel more confident. We don't often recommend making your first article as your 7th edit after all.

What we do recommend however is that you head over to the task hub, where you can find such things as citation hunting. Citation hunting will teach you how to do quite possibly the most important thing on Wikipedia, how to cite things and what to use as citations. WP:RS, WP:RSP and WP:CITE will come in handy for this.

Another thing that'll help you for when you're feeling ready to start an article is WP:BACKWARDS. This is why I suggest that you do citation hunting early into your career, so you know that working backwards is an absolutely terrible idea and will only result in hours of work getting canned. This is a very common trap for new editors.

As for thinking about correcting articles, first, citation hunting. Good stuff. Second, be bold. The worst that could happen is that your edits get reverted or you get trouted, so what? Most editors experience either of these things at least once, it's almost like a rite of passage.

Another thing you can do as the step between making corrections to articles and making your own articles is to find a WikiProject that you like the look of, then find their start or stub class articles. These are the lowest rungs on Wikipedia's ratings ladder, and are in need of a lovely editor such as yourself to fix them. Find yourself a start or a stub to adopt, then get to work improving it.

Just as an aside, Wikipedia also has a Discord server, so if you're looking for some quick help you can always head there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

These are encouraging words. Thank you! Knowledgeelephant (talk) 07:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Knowledgeelephant You may be interested in reading the "interviews" with experienced editors about their early experiences, now collected at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep I read. I have my own story related to this wiki journey. Thanks! Knowledgeelephant (talk) 07:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I reccomond using the Sandbox if this is your first time. But, you do need to get over your fear. If you do Make a mistake, rember, it is nót vandalism. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Table column width

I created a table on this page and am wondering if I can edit the columns Title and Star Wars Year so that the contents have more room. I looked at WP table how-to pages and haven't found them helpful, partly because I'm a wikitext novice. Wafflewombat (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Hi there! Per Help:Table/Width#CSS width on table header cell, I updated those columns of the table with different values of style=width: GoingBatty (talk) 01:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 02:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

One question, though: Can fixed widths for columns create display issues for some users? I think one of the help pages mentioned that. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: {{nowrap}} around selected text gives better control and can avoid wasted space. The table has a text-heavy column which can become very long (dozens of lines in some cells) on narrow screens like smartphones so I would avoid code which doesn't allow other columns to be narrow. You could still use nowrap for some things like Between {{nowrap|0 BBY}} and {{nowrap|3 ABY}}. This avoids line breaks in "0 BBY" and "3 ABY" but still allows a narrow column on narrow screens. If you use long titles like earlier then it could say {{nowrap|Star Wars}}: {{nowrap|Episode IV}} – {{nowrap|A New Hope}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I really appreciate the reply, but since I'm a wikitext novice, I don't understand most of what you said. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

If it's not too much trouble, could you make the edits you suggested, and then I can look at the result? I learn wikitext better when someone shows me by example rather than explaining how to do it. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Douban : question about User change

Hello everyone, i fixed errors and updated the template douban with their current valid website @https://m.douban.com/ since the old site @https://movie.douban.com are now mostly used as a redirect with no update. But it was unfortunately removed by User:Dabao qian with no better change instead leaving it with a limited update and some code errors. His edit summary was that: (mobile site can't be used), and yet I saw no different change that will make others to under the meaning of his edit summary and change. I haven't reverted it because I want to know the meaning of his edit summary in Wikipedia policy. Was his summary (mobile site can't be used) a Wikipedia policy?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 05:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The regulars at this page will not adjudicate. Please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Pigsonthewing Thanks for your reply.

I'm not much family with the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution but I have taken some necessary steps by discussing with the User on his talk page asking him to be more specific about the reasons for his change, and i also opened a new discussion on the Template Talk page. Does this count as Dispute resolution?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 18:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Thisasia: Yes, that sounds good. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

User is following me around to undo edits

There is a user who makes promotional changes to virtual exchnage wiki (Virtual exchange), which I have deleted a few times. It now appears that this user is following me around and undoing edits. This seems rather disruptive. What kind of action can I take to stop this behaviour? 12Zebras (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@12Zebras: It's been almost a month since that user's last edit and they appear to edit very infrequently (7 edits in the last 3 years). I would not worry about it. If it happens again, you should discuss with them on their talk page. Tollens (talk) 10:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You have been removing referenced content from Virtual exchange since October 2023 and more than one editor have reverted your deletions. You started an effort to have a discussion on the Talk page of the article but that has not yet initiated debate on consensus. That is the proper place to continue. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Separately, you and User:Marcuslim 88 have had an an exchange of what is correct capitalization at List of family name affixes. A good-faith disagreement is not "malicious". Take it up at that article's Talk page. I do see that at that list, all the prefixes are capitalized, with the exception now that you have de-capitalized the Dutch prefixes. David notMD (talk) 11:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The reversions on the Virtual exchange page are probably in good faith, I agree, I just thought it was strange they would reverse my changes on the capitalization of Dutch surnames. For an account that has hardly any activity this seemed out of place. I'll make sure to put it on the talk page in the future. As for the capitalization of Dutch prefixes, Dutch surnames do not have capitilized prefixes, see for instance the spelling of Carice van Houten's name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carice_van_Houten 12Zebras (talk) 19:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I suppose that's fair, just seemed a little out of place that they would revert a change on Dutch surnames, but I'll dicuss it on their talk page if it continues. 12Zebras (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How to move an article from my User sandbox to the main space

I've completed an article in my Sandbox with full links,citations, references but I don't have a "Move" tab to put it up - where have I gone wrong?

Preferences say I am auto confirmed and I've been registered since October 2022 and made 66 edits

Help please, thank you

Mornington Glory (talk) 11:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, pardon my previous message that was in error. The "move" button may be in a drop down menu, but even if you are technically able to move the draft yourself, unless you have experience with getting drafts accepted, it's a good idea(though not required) to use the submission process so that other eyes see it and can point out issues before the draft is formally part of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much - can't believe I thought I had checked all the drop down menus.

The article has been read by a couple of experienced Wiki editors and I did work on another submission which has stayed up Thanks Mornington Glory (talk) 12:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

User:Mornington Glory/sandbox now has a Submit option. Before doing so, remove the hyperlinks from the Lead. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sentences such as "There was no internet for people to find out their rights in those days." need to be excised. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks David - a bit puzzled by your request I delete the sentence "There was no internet for people to find out their rights in those days." Grass Roots closed in 1990, I think the internet at that stage was purely an academic /not open access system. If I added to the sentence something along the lines -" It was much more difficult to access information in those pre internet days would that work. I think the point about access to information is important. Mornington Glory (talk) 12:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It is original research, we can't use comments like that unless they are attributed to a reliable source.Theroadislong (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, what I meant about the sentence is that it is/was your personal observation, not attributed to any reference. Review all of your content to remove your thoughts stated in Wikipedia's 'voice'. David notMD (talk) 04:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

How to create a table by combining other smaller tables?

Hello everyone

Hope you're enjoying tea.

I'm excited and happy to arrive at Teahouse.

There is a list of all municipal corporations in India. But the issue is, the tables are separated by states(there are 28 states in India). The issue here is, I can't sort all the tables to get insights on the country level. Like - which is the oldest municipal corp in India, which municipal corp has the largest area, population, etc.

What I want is to create a combined table, where all municipal corporations are added. I can easily do that by creating a table and copying it, but I don't think that's a good solution. As it would be hard to maintain them and information might diverge after a few edits. Basically, redundant information is hard to keep in sync.

What is the solution?

Is there any magic function to extract rows from individual table and use it in a separate table?

I've seen extracting the entire table itself to be use in different article(I guess it's called transclusion, example), but haven't seen any example for extracting rows.

Looking forward to your suggestions. Rollingkrishna (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

There could be a WP:TEMPLATE that contains the full actual table, but that takes a parameter to select a single state if desired. So {{Municipal corporations in India table}} gives the whole thing, and {{Municipal corporations in India table|Andhra Pradesh}} gives just the rows for that one. DMacks (talk) 14:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

So, there is not a ready to use for this? If yes, I'll look into, how to create a custom template. Thanks. Rollingkrishna (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops. I meant

So, there is not a ready to use solution for this? Rollingkrishna (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing how this way of presenting the information is going to be of value to Wikipedia, @Rollingkrishna. If it's information you want, it might be better just to extract all the information from the existing tables and process them outside Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Besides information, the sortable table also provides basic insights. I can process it outside, but it would be better if every reader can also do it. If by simple layout changes we can provide both - info and insights, I think that's a good thing, right.

Although for this article, this might not be of great value to Wikipedia, but this is a generic problem. I had this exactly same problem a few more time. Basically, it's just opposite of transclusion. In transclusion you fetch data from parent table, here, I was looking for the opposite.

Thanks anyway. I'd love to convert it into a large table some day. Rollingkrishna (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rollingkrishna: I have done it [1] at List of municipal corporations in India#Sortable table but we don't usually do this. It may be reverted, and it easily breaks if somebody changes something without checking the effect on the large table. The risk increases if it's on a separate page so I placed it on the same page where it's also easier to fix problems. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Woahh. Thanks for the demo. But yeah, it looks odd, even to me. There should be just one representation of data, not both. Also, it makes editing process complicated. Rollingkrishna (talk) 06:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

What is the equivalent of subreddits on Wikipedia?

I would like to ask what the equivalent of subreddits are on Wikipedia. I know that on Reddit, there are different communities depending on what you want to discuss and was wondering what the most similar thing you have to it on Wikipedia. The reason why I am asking this is because I would like to get a consensus on what to do with subpages of New York (state) and New York City. I'm not concerned about the main articles' titles as they have been settled by consensus. I am concerned about subpages like Geography of New York (state) and Geography of New York City and what to do with the page of Geography of New York. Should it say a dab page or redirect somewhere. I realize that there is a lot of articles on Wikipedia related to these two places and I am looking for a place to discuss multiple articles of same or similar topics. Look forward to your responses. Interstellarity (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:WikiProjects. WikiProjects are specialized groups of like-minded editors who contribute to various topics such as video games, elections, etc. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I guess WikiProjects are sort of like subreddits, they're smaller communities focused on a particular subject. WikiProject America would be attached in some way to those topics. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

There are dedicated WikiProjects for New York State and New York City. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi, @CommissarDoggo, I have posted on the US WikiProject since it seems to be the most active one related to the topic on hand. I wanted to post somewhere where I would likely get a response because I know in some WikiProjects, you may never get a response. One more question for you, is there a list of the biggest WikiProjects on Wikipedia whether it's by page views or something else? Interstellarity (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's one sorted by size, but I use this bot-maintaned list and this directory to find active WikiProjects. Hope that helps. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

On that I'm not sure, but I can all but guarantee that two of the most active would be WikiProject Military History and WikiProject Video Games. The WikiProject FAQ says that WikiProject Biography is the largest. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

god please no, i dont want power tripping "mods" permabanning everyone that they hate like what they did with me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow, is this comment in the wrong topic? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

im saying i dont want subreddits on wikipedia, or at least no mods on said subs. power hungry mods on reddit ruined my life. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiProjects aren't exactly the same as subreddits. There's always the option of editing without participating in a WikiProject. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Why my page was rejected?

Why my page was rejected? I know there is another draft that I started previously with another login (@limanarui33). what happend is that the password is ALWAYS given error. I tried to talk to someone but it´s really difficult to understand how. For that reason I created a new login (@limanarui33.1982) and restarted. At this point I can say the innitially page can be deleted but I cannot understyand how. I also cannot edit the title to remove Professor. I also cannot add the photo. Can you help me? Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Limanarui33.1982 Hello and welcome. Your draft was declined, not rejected. "Rejected" has a specific meaning in the draft submission process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. "Declined" means that it may be resubmitted.

Photos are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. You don't need to worry about images until the draft is accepted into the encyclopedia. New accounts cannot upload images to this Wikipedia locally. If you took the photo yourself, or it was released under a license that is compatible with Wikipedia's(allowing for reuse by anyone for any purpose with attribution), you may upload it to Commons; see WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 16:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Limanarui33.1982 There is Draft:Changzhi Li and Draft:Changzhi Li, Professor. Decide which one you are going to try to improve and ignore the other. Don't worry about the title while in Draft, that can be fixed if and when accepted. At present, you are a long way off reaching the necessary standard. See WP:BLP and H:YFA for more guidance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello:

I want to keep the Draft:Changzhi Li, Professor.

I used other personal pages as examples that dont even have any reference. I´m not understandig what should I change exacly.

If may say so, there is too much information in the guidance and it turns out to be confusing.

I´ll try. Thank you for your support.

Mana Rui Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 08:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. As you have found, there is a lot to learn. It is usually recommended that newer users first gain experience and knowledge by first editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I copy the model of existing on line pages. For that reason I can not understand why my page is not accepeted. Limanarui33.1982 (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Is this song eligible for an article?

I want to write an article for "Someday" by OneRepublic from Human, but I don't know if there are a sufficient amount of sources or charts to constitute an article. Are there? It charted better than "Better Days" on the Adult Contemporary and Adult Pop Airplay and that song got an article. Rockboy1009 (talk) 18:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rockboy1009, and welcome to the Teahouse. Charts don't help: you might add citations to them as primary sources after you've got an article, but you need to start with places where people wholly unconnected with the band have chosen to write at some length about the song. Each source that you find should meet the criteria in golden rule, and if you can't find at least three such, then I'm afraid that it probably doesn't satisfy the criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 19:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rockboy1009: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can see that someone started an article at this Old revision of Someday (OneRepublic song), but it's now a redirect. Could some of the references at Human (OneRepublic album) and/or Better Days (OneRepublic song) be also used for an article for "Someday"? GoingBatty (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Why does wikipedia make me so upset?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closing this discussion since it's moving quickly beyond of the scope of the Teahouse and starting to feel a bit like there's some trolling going on; in addition, Wikipedia is not and has never been intended to be a form of therapy and Wikipedia Teahouse Hosts aren't really intended to be life coaches. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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I swear going on this site is like a landmine. There's so many things that get me upset and I spiral and feel horrible afterwards. I'm aware of the warning site-wide but I have nowhere else to go. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Stick to topics you know are safe? Zaathras (talk) 20:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I try to but even there people talk about things that make me upset. A LOT of things make me upset. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 00:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Try Reddit. Zaathras (talk) 01:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow: Hi there! Looking at your contributions, I don't see that you've edited any articles or drafts, and only engaged in one conversation last summer. You're the only one who will be able to answer your question. When I get upset with Wikipedia, I turn off the computer and go do something else. GoingBatty (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t have anything else to do. I just lay in bed all day every day and be on my phone, but I don’t have anywhere to go on my phone WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 00:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow Hi! Welcome to the Teahouse! I have two answers to your question, 1. take a wikibreak, that is what I would do when I'm getting upset about Wikipedia, 2. I'm agreeing to what @GoingBatty said, just take some time off and maybe go do something else. Thanks for letting me answer your question! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 21:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I don’t have anywhere else to go and nothing else to do. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wikimood

How do you get the template Wikimood on your user page? I tried many options and still have not found a solution. I have seen the Wikimood thing on other userpages, I was thinking maybe I can put that on my userpage. I have tried looking for it, and I always get the no result, so can someone to help? Thanks! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Starixxgamerrix, welcome to the Teahouse. Here - {{WM}} - is a link to the template documentation, which explains what to place on your user page and what all the parameters mean, with an example setup. Does that help at all? 57.140.16.57 (talk) 22:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, ty Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

What template to be use in case of COI

If an editor acknowledged that he/she has a connection to the article (BLP), what kind of template should be put on header? I know we have Template:Connected contributor for talk pages. What about article itself? Sincerely, Aredoros87 (talk) 22:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm... Can I see the article, so I can determine whether it a connected contributor or something? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, here's the talk page of that article. You can see (on top) that the editor disclosed his/her connection already Aredoros87 (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

here is the evidence

I saw the talk page and the article, I saw this one comment on it from years ago, and it said much dubious content. I guess that this user commented on the talk page saying that the article itself is misinformented. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Aredoros87, welcome to the Teahouse. It's not required to add any sort of template to the article itself. If and only if there are identifiable problems with the article which you cannot quickly fix yourself, you can add {{COI}}, but you should then go and make a post on the talk page pointing out the specific problems. See the template documentation for detailed instructions. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

new Wikipedia listing

Ho do I submit a subject/info for Wikipedia? Sweetlaura (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Sweetlaura, welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to attempt writing an article yourself, you should carefully review and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article (going through the Tutorials might also be very helpful, just to get a basic idea of how Wikipedia editing works). If you simply want to leave a suggestion, we have WP:RA where you can follow the instructions to leave a post, but there's no guarantee anyone will ever pick up on it. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

My article has been placed under a speedy deletion tag. I really do not know what I did wrong

User:Jaejuddyboogie Jaejuddyboogie (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jaejuddyboogie. I can't see the deleted page, as I am not an admin; but please see WP:UP for what you may and may not put on your user page.

If you were attempted to create a draft of a Wikipedia article, then your User page is not a suitable location. Please see your first article. ColinFine (talk) 22:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, hurry up and become an admin, already! -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hoary, why would I want to the keys to the mop cupboard? ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! i understand now. Jaejuddyboogie (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. According to the deletion log for User:Jaejuddyboogie, it was deleted under the speedy deletion criterion of U5: misuse of Wikipedia as a web host. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Jaejuddyboogie, I'm surprised that Fastily deleted the page with this reason. It seems to me to be straightforwardly a misplaced article draft (about a fellow named Kunle Falayi). As such, it has its faults; but then virtually all drafts (and of course a large percentage of articles) have faults. Perhaps Fastily -- who of course might just have been tired and inattentive at the time (as I have, at various times) -- would consider resurrecting and moving this draft. -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Jaejuddyboogie, I've moved the draft to User:Jaejuddyboogie/sandbox, because it looks like a draft, it's not overtly promotional, and Fastily neither beat me to it nor objected. (No complaints here about Fastily, of course: people can and do disappear from Wikipedia for weeks, let alone hours.) Good luck working on the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 02:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Jaejuddyboogie (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Replacing old crowns with new Tudor Crown in British logos

Many articles on Wikipedia are using old crowns on logos which have since adopted the tudor crown. British Armed Forces and Army Cadet Force to name just two. However, some have adopted the new crown such as Gov.uk. As I understand it the OGL does not tend to cover logos but somehow the old versions of these logos ended up on wiki commons. Does this mean we can replace them with the new logos? AWN08 (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@AWN08: Welcome to the Teahouse! I hope comparing the copyright information at commons:File:MinistryofDefence.svg to the copyright notices in the current logos will help to answer your question. If not, commons:Commons:Help desk will be able to answer your question about what can and cannot be uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Proper Citation Styling for images in the Wikimedia Commons

Hi, new editor here. Is any additional styling on a Wikipedia article necessary for image attribution regarding an image that is licensed as Creative Commons ShareAlike in Wikimedia Commons besides the link in the image (do I need to include an attribution in the photos caption on the Wikipedia article?) Thank you. Deterministics (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Deterministics: Hi there! The attribution goes with the file on Wikimedia Commons, not in the Wikipedia article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Why do my posts keep getting archived and removed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closing this down for pretty much the same reasons as given above in WP:THQ#Why does wikipedia make me so upset?, especially now that they've been indefinitely blocked per WP:NOTHERE. Uber kudos to all those who tried to engage and help this user in good faith because you're good Wikipedians; however, at some point you just have to apply WP:DENY when you come across stuff like this because otherwise it will never stop. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Please I’m not doing anything wrong. I HATE being shut down so much. Please just leave my godforsaken edits alone please. Stop silencing me. There’s also a certain editor who’s on their high horse and told ME not to talk on their talk page anymore while continuing to silence me like a stupid hypocrite. Everyone here hates me, just like everywhere else. Too bad, you can’t get rid of me and I’m here to stay. I’m so angry at how I’m being treated like crap on here. WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

WhereverWeAreNow, I note the message on your user page. As was said in response to your slightly earlier post (above), consider taking a break from Wikipedia until you feel better. There are many other things to do on your computer or phone (let alone all things to do away from a computer or phone). -- Hoary (talk) 06:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I never feel better ever, I’m depressed and angry and stressed all the time and I have no life so I can’t even get off my phone. I’m so apathetic and tired all the time and any hobbies just make me feel worse. I hate therapy so don’t tell me to “get help” WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 06:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If "Please just leave my godforsaken edits alone please." is what you want, a wiki is a very poor choice of website. Write a blog. Then you can write stuff like [2][3] without someone else removing it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

No one reads blogs anymore, no one will care about anything i write. i was suspended from reddit and now i have nowhere else to go. a blog is just journaling and i hate journaling, i want people to see and respond to what i say. you think anyone cares about how i think psychiatry is quackery and how my favorite game gets 0 attention? NO, they make fun of me for it and ban me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 07:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

And Wikipedia is an attempt to make an encyclopedia, so that's not a place to get attention for your favorite game either. Keep looking. If this guy [4] can get 2 million subscribers, maybe you can get some to. If attention is what you're after, WP sucks for that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well no one cares about me irl and the only times i even feel anything is when i make everything about myself and get people to argue with me, yes I know I know but I can’t control myself and everyone hates me for it, its a terrible habit i have and i cant stop WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 07:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I completely understand where you're coming from. If I were in your position I would absolutely be equally frustrated. Unfortunately, though, I don't think there's much that any of us here can do to help. I don't believe anyone here is trying to make fun of you, and I am 100% certain that nobody here hates you. The issue is simply that Wikipedia is not the place you're looking for – if you imagine that each talk page on Wikipedia is like an office in the building of a publishing company, you may be able to better understand the responses you've received from others. I'm sure that there are plenty of editors here who agree with you and share your interests in video games, but this is just not the right place. Tollens (talk) 07:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Then where is the right place? I’m not allowed to be on discord, I’m suspended from Reddit, social media makes me anxious and stressed and I can’t talk to people irl. You guys keep telling me about WP:NOTFORUM and then not telling me where else to go and it’s making me upset WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 08:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

To be quite honest – I don't know, and if I had to guess, the reason nobody has provided an alternative is that they don't really know either. I really am sorry, that sounds rough. I'd be happy to just chat if you're interested. If you have an email connected to your Wikipedia account you can email me using Special:EmailUser/Tollens. If you're not interested, I totally get that, no obligation whatsoever, but I'm happy to talk about basically whatever if that's what you need. Tollens (talk) 08:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. I sent an email. That’s all I want, for people to talk to me and be nice to me WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 08:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Smurfs

Could someone take a look at my edit request here: Talk:The Smurfs#Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024. Another editor doesn't seem to understand the issue and has closed the request without fixing the error in the article. Thanks. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 05:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has been done. Tollens (talk) 06:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

you can reactivate this on that talk page.how-to-do= you can see on that talk page that you must have to input a parameter like this-|answered=no.where-to-do= on that section of talk page, click EDIT and the top template sign {{}}you can put that.--KEmel49 (talk) 23:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

As I said, this has already been done. They did exactly that. Tollens (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You can change that by changing that template.--KEmel49 (talk) 04:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you understand. There is no issue anymore. They already reactivated their request, and it was already answered. Tollens (talk) 04:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Nan Nan / Naminan - Cynometra cauliflora - fruit

Dear Readers Cannot find any information on benefits of Nan Nan / Naminan - Cynometra cauliflora - fruit. Hope, our Wiki readers forum can assist in providing some information of this fruit. We consume this fruit in Sri Lanka but I was unable to get its benefits.

Thank you readers for your attention on the above. Trevor Trevor Dole (talk) 07:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

​Hi Trevor, it looks like there is an article on this plant, see Cynometra cauliflora. I'm not certain what you mean by 'benefits', do you mean you are looking for nutritional information, or something else entirely? Tollens (talk) 07:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Trevor Dole,

I guess you are looking for benefits of eating that plant or something like that.wikipedia is not a place for that,you rather search that in search engines.--KEmel49 (talk) 09:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Trevor Dole, you can try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Many plant parts and extracts have claimed health benefits. (See Red yeast rice, Garlic, Ginseng...). What is required are references that are review articles published in reputable science journals. The article Cynometra cauliflora has two references which suggest there may be research on health benefits, but not very informative. The place to search is Pubmed at https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ David notMD (talk) 10:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

4chan raiding on the history of chairs

4chan's /pol/ has begin raiding the history of chairs removing information about chairs in africa saying they didn't have any. Is their any way I can stop this or a mod can ? also They keep spamming the talks with racism is there any way to stop this too?

this is proof of them doing it https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/462833613/#462834615 Developed it entirely (talk) 10:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm watching the talk page and have already blocked two editors; I'd suggest raising this issue at WP:ANI, this board is more geared towards helping new users edit, not reporting issues. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Page numbers

In Emancipation Proclamation, under the heading "Political impact," there were recently several attached to footnote numbers. They were all to citations to the book Copperheads, by Jennifer Weber. I have a copy of the book and tried to put in the page numbers correctly, but I have spent more time on this than I am willing to devote to it. The problem is in the multiple footnote 110s. The last three footnote 110s under "Political impact" now are followed by page 69, which is correct. But within them they also say page 64, and I don't know how to get rid of "page 64" in those three footnote 110s. Previous footnote 110s correctly have "page 64," so I can't take it out of them. Would someone please fix this. I am too exhausted with it to want to learn how. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You need to create two different citations or, if you'd rather not bother, add "64 and 69" to the pages parameter. I've struggled with this before so I know how frustrating it is. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

By "add '64 and 69' to the pages parameter," do you mean to remove "page 64" from the footnote 110s where it is correct and replace it with ":64" on the outside, as I put ":69" on the outside of the three last footnote 110s? If that's what you mean, then I should have thought of it myself. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know whether you use the visual editor or the source editor, but on the visual editor you can go into the citation and decide what you want to be in there. One of the parameters is "Page(s)" and another is "Page". What I've done on the page currently is turn the citation into two separate ones by copy/pasting all of the information from the 110 citation and putting it into a new citation, 112. The only change between the two is using the the "Page" parameter and setting each to 64 and 69 on each.

It's a little extra work than what Tenryuu suggested, but it's what I do personally. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: Welcome to the Teahouse. I find it easier to just remove the pages parameter from the reference and use {{rp}} after each citation to denote which pages are used instead. For example, —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll give it a try. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

111 is, I thought at least, a separate citation. If that's not the case then I'll sort it now. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks great. Thank you very much. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I won't give it a try, because CommissarDoggo has fixed it, except that there is a problem with his or her footnote 111s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice Magnus (talk • contribs) 12:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Changing a photo on a page

Hi. I would like to change the photograph on the Wikipedia page that is about me (Sharon Marcus at Columbia University). I have many photographs more current and in better focus than the current one. I've clicked on the current photograph and don't see how to replace it, so I'm asking here. Thank you. ProfSharonMarcus (talk) 13:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

To upload a photo on Wikipedia, you'll need to upload it to Wikimedia Commons (found in a google search) where you click the upload button on the top right. Before doing that it's important to note that you should have full copyright rights on the image and posting it requires you give them up to the public domain.

On replacing the image itself, others here will be more experienced than me. You'll probably have to post an edit request on your page's talk page. Dionysius Miller^talk 13:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

ProfSharonMarcus The easiest way to provide an image is for you to take a selfie; then you possess the copyright as the photographer. Using an image that someone else took(say, your official university photo) is possible but harder as then you need to determine the copyright of the image. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

ProfSharonMarcus Please see the guide at Wikipedia:A picture of you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I need help creating a wikipedia page ASAP

I am looking for someone who can help me build a professional Wikipedia page? I tried and got blocked indefinitely. Now im back on here as a guest trying to do things even better than before. I have creditable sources I have everything to make the wiki page but I need some help or all help on the wording thanks so much for your cooperation and looking at this hope to hear from someone soon! Professional1984 (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, that sounds terrible, what was your old account called? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

OP blocked for block evasion. 331dot (talk) 14:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

In 7 minutes. That was quick. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, there are... 9,430 people watching this page according to XTools, I'd imagine at least a couple of them hold mops. 331 is somewhat of a regular here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I know, but still, this is the quickest sock block I've ever seen. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I was wondering why they admitted to it so easily. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:21, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Stupidity is a constant. David notMD (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

New draft article - John Paul (scientist) question

Hi. I created an article as a beginner, which was intended to reflect the history and achievements of someone who lived at the end of last century. As a beginner, I didn't expect it to be without faults and have tried to correct these. More recently I posted a request for advice on a Talk page of someone who had suggested that some of the citations weren't reliable sources. This was to clarify which citations were of concern and how I might correct this. A couple of minutes later another contributor recommended the whole article for speedy deletion. This article represents months of effort to try and find research which backs up the claims. No-one stands to gain in any way from this article. Please can you help advise on how I navigate this minefield and prevent all my efforts from being deleted! Thank you. Gcwcd (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:John Paul (scientist). I have to say I am surprised this was tagged for speedy deletion. Theroadislong (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ahh I see it was a copyright violation. Theroadislong (talk) 16:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft recreated at same title without the copyright violation content. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I have added some more references, please feel free to add more Gcwcd. Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The article which was there was deleted and the article which now appears there isn't the original article. It lacks citations, and most of the article. How can I retrieve the article just before it was deleted and find out what it was that was a copyright violation and why I had about 2 minutes to try to correct this before deletion? It has been reviewed several times and I didn't realise there was a copyright violation. I still don't know what it was. Really looking for some help on how to retrieve all my hard work at the point at which it was deleted rather than the article which now appears. Gcwcd (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gcwcd: In short, you can't as it contained copyright-infringing material. The admin who deleted it, Drmies, has described something on your talk page that infringed copyright and restored portions that looked like it wasn't copied. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

OK thanks and understood. Happy with just retrieving the code before deletion so I've raised this with Administration. Gcwcd (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy with retrieving just the coded up text so that I can work on it offline, and so that I can remove the part that was considered a violation before putting back intoi the Wikipedia space (once I know what it was). Gcwcd (talk) 17:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I copied quotations from texts for which I had specifically sought Copyright permission, from both the author and the University which had approved it. Gcwcd (talk) 17:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Time to WP:DROPTHESTICK it is NOT going to be restored I have added more content and references I suggest you do the same. Theroadislong (talk) 17:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I'm told it was because I quoted from the Independent. I didn't quote anything from the Independent. I cited and article in the Independent at the end of the article. Gcwcd (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok I get that it isn't going to be restored as a draft and thank you to everyone who is trying to retrieve parts of it. Is there any way I can retrieve the coded up wording (just me directly, not as a draft article) so that I don't have to start again or is this also not going to happen? It was an awful lot of work to have to redo. It was deleted before I had a chance to do anything really. Gcwcd (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If you copied content from copyright-protected sources it is on you to know where you copied from. David notMD (talk) 19:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Original poster blocked and has appealed block. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

On the available evidence, this does not seem to be a good block. Where is the "spam/ promotion"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

331dot, Bbb23, just pinging so you're aware of this Teahouse thread. Yes, it does seem rather inappropriate that (1) this editor has been blocked for advertising/promotion when there's no obvious sign that they've promoted or advertised (they could have been blocked for copyright infringement, but weren't), and (2) their question on their talk page "what did you consider advertising and promotion about what was being said?" wasn't answered. In the spirit of the Teahouse (does tea contain spirits?) this doesn't seem a super-helpful approach to an apparently new editor. Elemimele (talk) 15:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The block log has copyright violations added to the reason given in the template. 331dot (talk) 15:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

331dot, that makes sense; it's a pity copyright violation isn't the reason displayed on the user's talk page. I've added a note to their talk page suggesting that they might have inadvertently received the wrong block message, and therefore failed to address the issue in their unblock request. Elemimele (talk) 16:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Article Declined

I do not understand why my article got declined? I provided many articles in which Nat Zilkha was mentioned and is often times either the main subject and/or quoted in the article multiple times. Based off wikipedia's definition of a person of significance, I feel like Nat is a perfect fit! "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."

Thank you in advance for your help here! Keebs10 (talk) 16:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Nat Zilkha. David notMD (talk) 16:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

All of the citation needed templates that I've just added to the page should give some indication as to why it was declined. It also has issues relating to WP:PROSELINE. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Keebs10 Your draft has not met the policy at WP:BLP, because it does not have inline citations for many pieces of information. In addition, merely confirming that he holds various jobs by linking to the websites of each organisation is not enough: these employers are not WP:Independent Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll add that half the refs are to a litany of his non-profit/philanthropy actions, which do not contribute to establishing his notability. (Ditto the music career.) David notMD (talk) 16:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback! Some of the areas in which they are requesting citations for are from many years ago and/or do not have an article to support the information. For example, some of the personal information, like who his father is and that he graduated cum laude. How am I supposed to cite these? I assume LinkedIn won't work? Keebs10 (talk) 17:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd say use them as a last resort to be honest, as long as they're authenticated in some way.

If information cannot be verified, it cannot be in the article. See to it that unverified information is removed. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Best general topic to write a new article about

Greetings! I once tried to make an article for a local magazine but it was denied saying that it was an advert, but that's not why I am here. I am here to seek advise from experienced Wikipedia editors on what is the best topic to write about? Obviously, I won't be touching company articles :) SouthPole5423 (talk) 16:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@SouthPole5423 The best topic to write about is a topic you're interested in without getting too much into conflict of interest. I hope you find future successes in writing articles and always remember general notability guidelines. Cheers! Kline • talk • contribs 17:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ardenza Enormous image

I have just created this draft, but the image is highly oversized. I have tried both default image size and then 250px manual. What's the problem? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 18:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre See [5]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism and Edit warring

Hello, i need help on this article Djong (ship), where this user @Nitekuzee keep reverting my edits based on his own unsourced beliefs about the article, i don't know how to deal with this, and the edits were definitely vandalism, the user didn't want to argue and provide any evidence on the talk page but keep stating their own biased belief on the revert section over and over again, the user's talk page has warnings of them making disruptive edits. Thank you! Merzostin (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin, please read WP:3RR. Neither of you should be reverting each other's edits past the third revert, and should instead be discussing this on the talk page. If they continue edit warring, then you may file a report at WP:AN/3, though you should discuss with the user on the talk page first.
Remember that a page can always be restored to an earlier version, and it is not imperative that your preferred revision is always reverted to. – Isochrone (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

i understand, but i thought it's fine to revert obvious Vandalism, this users reverts were based on their own beliefs alone with no source or reference and they didn't engage in the talk page, where i already provided my evidence for the problematic quote (they used description of Chinese ships and passed it off as Javanese ships) Merzostin (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin as mentioned below, a difference of opinions does not constitute vandalism. As you will see on the above page, only obvious vandalism can be reverted as many times as needed. Here, both of you must stop reverting as there have been more than three reverts. On the talk page, you should ping the user with {{ping}} so they are notified of the discussion. – Isochrone (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

okay, i will try that, although from their comments and lack of response to many warnings on their talk page, what should i do next if they didn't respond or engage, may i restore the article? Merzostin (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin you should follow the steps at WP:Edit warring#Handling of edit-warring behaviors, and if all else fails, report the user on the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring board. Please note that if you do so, your edits will also be looked at. – Isochrone (talk) 21:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood, thank you for your assistance, one more thing

i read about third person opinion, where they can review the evidence and reach consensus, how do i do that or can i just tag someone from this page? Merzostin (talk) 21:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Third opinion. – Isochrone (talk) 21:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Long story short, i tried to have argument in Talk:Djong (ship)#Zhou Qufei, Lingwai Daida. i've already provided all evidence while Nitekuzee might not be sane, you can see his replies which didn't even correlate to our topic, and he continue to comment the same irrelevant thing over and over again, while providing 0 credible evidence, making clearer than his reverts were always obvious vandalism.

i don't know why it's so hard to remove this obvious misinformation, i've already applied for third opinion, but denied because there is more than 2 participants, even though the other one only left one comments i applied for dispute resolution, but i doubt Nitekuzee would even participate, so again another road end.. if you can assist me in this matter, i would appreciate it Merzostin (talk) 07:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Merzostin, you may want to opt to use the dispute resolution board, but please note it requires the active participation of both parties. You might also want to leave {{Please see}} messages on the talk pages of relevant wiki projects to solicit more views, so more people can participate in the discussion. As a last resort, you may request a WP:RFC for the discussion. I note that your replies are getting a bit heated. Remember that there is no deadline, and you might want to take a step back from a dispute for a bit and return later. – Isochrone (talk) 09:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

ok thank you, i think yes i'm a bit heated because how can anyone want to defend clear misinformation and it's really hard to take down obvious misinformation, i find that the process could allow more of this things happenings (Nitekuzee really told me to open youtube comments as his evidence, how can i not be heated lol) Merzostin (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Merzostin, Nitekuzee: "vandalism" does not mean "expressing an opinion that I disagree with". Please both see WP:VANDAL for how the word should be used here on Wikipedia. If you continue edit-warring, you both risk being banned from editing. Instead you should discuss the issues on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Printing only a section of a topic rather than the whole topic?

To save paper and toner (ink) I would like to print just a section of a topic rather than the whole topic.

How is this done?

Perhaps there should be an extra button to the right of the "Edit" and "Edit source" buttons. ----MountVic127 (talk) 21:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi MountVic127. If you mark a section, e.g. by dragging your mouse over it, and go directly to your browser's print menu then it probably has an option to only print the selected text. If you cannot find a way to do this then what is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

how do I write an article

im not sure how to publish my own findings 2600:8807:C98A:C110:6CF9:D9F:79B3:DC24 (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

You can go there to get info about starting a new article.however it's highly recommended to not to start writing about something you know from mind but you have to know that through references available on internet.

Before writing new article you can start by editing other articles.

Regards--KEmel49 (talk) 22:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

If by "my own findings" you mean facts from your own research on a topic or your opinions, don't. Wikipedia does not allow 'original research'. David notMD (talk) 02:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I want to add information

Hello, I want to add entrepreneur and artist Eser Sariyar to the article on Turks living in Denmark, but I am warned that there must be a wikipedia page first. Can you help me? I'm new to creating wikipedia pages. Kind regards AndMex (talk) 22:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear AndMex,

Remember that before writing a new article you must have to edit some existing articles and than you will learn automatically how to write new one.about creating new article here are some info.

As you have created your account just today and not even completed a single day, I want to recommend you to be an experienced one first.

Regards--KEmel49 (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear KEmel49,

First of all, thank you very much for your quick response. Also, have a blessed Ramadan! I have previously updated a few pages on Wikipedia without registering to the system, and these have been approved and are live. However, I have not created a new page before and I need support on this. Can you help me create the page? I can edit the template for additional information and resources. Thank you very much again and I wish you a good day.

Kind regards AndMex (talk) 22:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Dear AndMex,

If you really want to create page on something or someone you think that it/they deserve to be on an article than you have to gather information about them on vast internet.than you can use a tool named article wizard.Remember to put references and citation to get your article approved and also add appropriate Wikiproject to the article before submission.

All info about that can be found here.

Regards--KEmel49 (talk) 23:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Cite web reference problems

No matter how much I try I can't seem to get a citation to format properly. I'm trying to insert this: <ref>"Health Care for Transgender and Gender Diverse Individuals". 18 February 2021. Retrieved 9 April 2024.<ref> as a citation but clearly my formatting is wrong. Could anybody let me know where I'm making a mistake? I typed it out all manually twice only to encounter the same thing. XeCyranium (talk) 23:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh I think I see the problem now :P XeCyranium (talk) 23:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how I managed to mistype that every time. XeCyranium (talk) 23:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

help me reply to this new editor about SYNTH

hello my lovely teaspeople

So, this new editor just opened this Talk:LiveJasmin#RfC on whether #Latest proposed "Controversy" section improved after a number of suggestions from the community should be included in the page. A critical issue with the porposal is that it's a blatant violation of SYNTH, but I'm having a bit of trouble explaining why. Could one of you HR experts help? Thanks in advance! Aaron Liu (talk) 01:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

It is fine to ask for a second opinion in the Teahouse, but if you do, please keep it neutral. In this case, something like this would do: An editor and I are having a disagreement about what SYNTH is and I'd welcome a second opinion. When you phrase it the way you've done here (basically already concluding that they're wrong) it can be considered canvassing. I wouldn't say what you wrote here is egregious since the user has been warned multiple times for SYNTH but it is still worth mentioning for next time. Mokadoshi (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Rewriting an article entirely

Hello! You may have heard from me before, but I am trying to make the List of the Legend of Zelda characters page better. The conclusion I have reached is that we should rewrite the article entirely. I think that if we organized the characters into their own races, the article would be way less long and confusing. For example, put Link into the Hylian category, and Ganon in the Gerudo category. I hope to work with all of you to make this article better. Thank you for your time and consideration. 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for wanting to improve the encyclopedia. You should discuss your idea on the article's talk page, where other interested editors can provide their input. RudolfRed (talk) 02:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4. As RudolfRed posted above, you should probably be WP:CAUTIOUS here and propose how you think the article should be improved on the article's talk and seek feedback from others. If after a reasonable amount of time nobody responds, you might want to try posts on the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. Trying to completely rewrite an article is almost always fraught with peril unless it's clearly a case of WP:TNT (i.e. 9 out 10 Wikipedians would agree with that assessment) or there is so little content (i.e. a one or two-sentence WP:STUB) that any policy/guideline compliant expansion would be an improvement over what's there. Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be perfect, and many are indeed in need of improvement; however, Wikipedia is a collaborative editing project and often the best approach is to build on what others have already done instead of just tossing their work to the side and doing something totally different. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying to me Marchjuly. When I say I want to rewtrite the article, I mean that I want to fix it. I don't know if there is a way to take all the information that is already there and just reorganize it. All the information present in that article is amazing, and I do not want to just toss away someone's work. I just want to make their work more helpful by organizing things better. 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 18:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

adding to the above comments, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games is another great spot to ask about this. happy editing! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

List of the Legend of Zelda characters dates back to at least 2006, has had more than 5,000 edits and had 147 editors who have it on their personal Watch list, meaning that every time they log on they see recent changes. I am not saying that the article needs improvement (there are dated tags to that effect at the top). but there will be tremendous resistance to any masssive reorganization. I strongly agree that you should describe your proposed changes on the Talk page of the article, to find out if there is a consensus. David notMD (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I see that you have already raised the question on the Talk page. Good luck. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

If wikipedia is not a forum then where else do I go?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closing this down for pretty much the same reasons as given above in WP:THQ#Why does wikipedia make me so upset? and WP:THQ#Why do my posts keep getting archived and removed, especially now that they've been indefinitely blocked per WP:NOTHERE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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No one is telling me a specific place and it's very frustrating... WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe Reddit or another online forum. We can only help you with using Wikipedia, not other sites. RudolfRed (talk) 03:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

im suspended from reddit and everyone hates me there WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You will have to find that out yourself. The general purpose of the non-article pages of Wikipedia are for improving the articles, Wikipedia itself or its processes, if you're not here for that then you are welcome to just read (instead of editing).*edit: not happy with how I phrased this, I'll just leave the other half.

Also perhaps going from website to website complaining until you get banned as you seem to be claiming you are being is not the best use of your time. – 2804:F14:8090:C501:91A8:3DF5:5140:363F (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC) *edited 03:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

i hate getting banned so much but i NEED an outlet for my anger and worries WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried writing a blog? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

no one reads blogs anymore, and i want people to respond to me not just do stupid online journaling. I HATE journaling WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Consider reading this list of mental health resources. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

here's my thoughts on said ""resources"". scroll to the bottom WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

also [6] this WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi again – as with yesterday, I am more than happy to chat, you have my email. We really can't help you much here, unfortunately – asking again is unlikely to change the answers you get (as evidenced by all the above). I see you posted again on an article talk page – please don't. If you continue to post on those pages you'll likely be blocked, which I know would not help the situation. Wikipedia is not well-equipped to help, which is a shame, but I just don't know what more we can do for you. Tollens (talk) 03:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow I do apologize that Wikipedia cannot be more of help. Just because we are removing your messages, it doesn't mean that we don't care or recognize what you bring up. Even though you might have not had a good time in the past, I can't stress more the importance of reaching out. There are those in your personal life who I promise can help, much better than we can. I hope you find a way to discuss these issues outside of Wikipedia. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 03:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

im not telling anyone crap i dont need "help". WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But you need an outlet for your anger and worries? I'm not seeing the difference EvergreenFir (talk) 03:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

i had one but i was suspended from the site i would post on. now i have nowhere and im scrambling for somewhere to vent so im just posting anywhere at this point. i hate anything having to do with therapy or meds because i think it's quackery WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 03:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@WhereverWeAreNow I genuinely do hope you find some way to live more happily, but Wikipedia is not a place for you to vent. As you say, you want to have a place you can be a part of. If you are here to edit and want to contribute that way, please do. Otherwise, you are really running the risk of getting handed a WP:NOTHERE block. There is nothing else we can do to help at this point. I wish you the best. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 03:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

everyone always tells me that but i just get worse overtime. i really really dont want to get blocked, ESPICIALLY indefinetely because i get furious over those WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I've been on an SSRI for 27 years and am back in therapy. They're tools too manage a chronic health issue, like physical therapy. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. @WhereverWeAreNow, while you might have negative views towards them, SSRIs and therapy are extremely helpful for many people, including myself. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 04:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

whats next, are you going to tell me that my LIVED EXPERIENCES are "extremely dangerous pseudoscience" and that I'm "killing people"? cause ive been told that MANY times WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

at least physical therapy actually works. psychiatry is the only field of "medicine" where literally everything is a gamble and and you have to subject yourself to years and years of false promises by tens of "professionals" saying they can help you when they just make you worse. and have you heard of Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD)? that has actually ruined people's lives including mine (i cant feel anything in my body when i take those poison pills and i had to fight my mom when she forced me to take them once) yet ignored by all psychs saying it's the "sAfEsT mEd" WhereverWeAreNow (talk) 04:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How do I make an article?

If you had a topic of my own. Just click the template button to begin. Greatman67 (talk) 03:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

hello! Help:Your first article has lots of tips on how to write an article if you've never done it before. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 03:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Greatman67, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem with that suggestion is that it's like "Click this button to start building a house" or "Click this button to enter Wimbledon", or "Click this button to give a concert at Carnegie Hall". There's no point in providing a quick way to start doing these things, because if you haven't first spent time learning how to do them, and practising, it's a waste of your time and everybody else's: you're probably not even going to understand whatever feedback you get.

I always advise a new editor to spend a few months making improvements to some of our six million existing articles, and learning how Wikipedia works, before they even think of trying to create a new article. Once they have an understanding of fundamental concepts like verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, that is the time to go to your first article and give it a go. ColinFine (talk) 10:10, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Difference bt "patrol" and "review"

Hi there, when learning wiki rules, it confused me that some pages are "marked as reviewed" and some are "marked as patrolled". I found this but it didn't solve my question. MaximilienLuc (talk) 03:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll clarify I don't know either, but I found this: Wikipedia:New pages patrol#Technical details (the 'Patrol versus review' item).

Still not super clear to me. – 2804:F14:8090:C501:91A8:3DF5:5140:363F (talk) 03:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@MaximilienLuc: In my experience, "review" normally means the WP:AFC process of reviewing a draft before it becomes an article. Patrol probably means WP:NPP where volunteers check on newly created pages to see that they conform to the encyclopedia's content policies (such as no advertising, etc). But, these are not the only usages of review and patrol. If you can provide more context to your question, that would help. RudolfRed (talk) 04:01, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Marking edits as patrolled is something built into MediaWiki for the reviewing/approval of new pages. Page Curation is an extension (not a part of MediaWiki) that adds the "Mark as reviewed" button, which allows pages to be reviewed as part of the new pages patrol process. Basically, they are two different ways that overall get at the same result (though technical details such as the logging of these actions differ). ~ Eejit43 (talk) 04:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Comprehensive article v reliable sources

Hi, I'm working on Leeds 13 an artist collective whose first two works proved controversial and newsworthy. They were both covered by newspapers so there are reliable primary sources. The first work has also been covered in books, documentaries, lectures etc so there are reliable secondary sources too.

The group's official website lists some later works but the only known source for those is that same website so self-published, not independent and unreliable.

Should I aim for a comprehensive article, using and identifying unreliable sources for the later works, or cut it back to cover only works that have reliable sources? Thanks. Arnhemcr (talk) 08:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Arnhemcr, cut it back to cover only works that have reliable sources. (If someone later finds reliable sources for other works, they can then add material about these, citing those sources.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, thanks for your sound advice (again!) I'll cut it back. Arnhemcr (talk) 10:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

When to remove the Orphan Template

I have expanded an article to un-orphan another article. Does one connection suffice to remove the orphan warning template at the top, or should more be established? The previously orphaned article in question is SAP Anywhere ElizabethIsAlive (talk) 10:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You can remove it if there is at least one link. By the way, you should probably add a citation to the addition you made to the other page just so the section and link don't get removed. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 11:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@ElizabethIsAlive - "Once it has an incoming link from at least one article or list, the orphan tag can be removed (disambiguation pages, redirects and draft articles do not count)." Quoted from banner on one the monthly backlog categories. More info at Wikipedia:Orphan. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Create a new page

I'm wanting to create a new page for a senior executive from a Nonprofit organization. Pol Pratik (talk) 11:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:YFA for information. Fair warning: your article will probably not be accepted because your conflict of interest effectively prevents writing a neutral article. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 11:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Is creating the page part of your job (or internship), Pol Pratik? -- Hoary (talk) 11:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You may find the information you're looking for at What to do when your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia. ---- D'n'B-t -- 13:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You correctly put the COI tag on your User page for your intention to create and submit a draft about Beena Ammanath, but if you are paid by the organization - even if not paid specifically to create this article - change that to a paid tag. David notMD (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

You will need references other than her website, Deloitte and Humans for AI (the non-profit org) to establish her notability. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting Feedback on First Article

Hello,

Perhaps this is not quite the right place to ask this, but I would really appreciate some feedback on my first article. More specifically, I am unsure about the quality of my sources. There is already an article on Japanese wikipedia for this individual, my article is a translation of this, with additional biographical information added. Both it and my draft are linked below.

Thank you in advance, esmb17

• Draft:Erika Kobayashi
• ja:小林エリカ

Esmb17 (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Esmb17 the draft will be reviewed eventually. Please be patient. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Just itching to get some feedback haha. Esmb17 (talk) 13:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

Hi, this is Jessica from Google DeepMind. As per Wikipedia’s policies, I recognise that I have a conflict of interest, so I would like to ask that the community review and consider a few minor changes to this page. My reason for requesting this is to highlight some factual inaccuracies and out-of-date information that I would suggest should now be edited for accuracy and to ensure this page remains up to date.

Please consider making the following edits:

Please check the consistency of the use of ‘Google DeepMind’ instead of ‘DeepMind” throughout the article.

If possible, remove personal information - name of husband and reference to twin daughters.

Image:

Please change image to this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/itupictures/53026900965 - it is far more recent and available for use under Creative Commons license.

In introductory section:

Remove ‘and a member of the UK AI Council’. Lila is no longer a member. Source: AI Council - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Add ‘President and Chief Operations Officer at Coursera.’ Source: Welcoming Lila Ibrahim to Coursera - Coursera Blog

In Early Life and education section:

Lila is no longer on the board of advisors at Purdue University. Please replace the word ‘remains’ with ‘served’.

In Career section:

Remove “She was a keynote speaker at the 2016 Pioneer Summit, and the 2017 South by Southwest conference in Austin” - we are requesting this change because, while factual, it feels outdated given that Lila has spoken at numerous prestigious events and conferences since 2017 which are more relevant and recent. We are happy to provide examples if you are happy to update with more recent speaking engagements.

Remove: “where she is responsible for managing the company's growth” And replace with “oversees operations, responsibility and governance, and external work.” Source: Lila Ibrahim: The 100 Most Influential People in AI 2023 | TIME

In Accolades section please add the following accolades:

“In 2021, she was named a Distinguished Engineering Alumnae by Purdue University” Source: 2021 Distinguished Engineering Alumni/Alumnae - Our People - Purdue Engineering

“Member of Council of Foreign Affairs” Source: Council on Foreign Relations (cfr.org)

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Thank you for reviewing our proposed edits. Bops184 (talk) 13:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bops184: the Flickr image you linked is not usable - although it has a Creative Commons license it uses the NonCommercial derivative which is not allowed: c:Commons:Licensing#Well-known_licenses. MKFI (talk) 13:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jessica, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for declaring your status as a paid editor; however you do not appear to have made the mandatory formal declaration on your user page yet (see that link).

You perhaps missed the reply when you posted almost exactly the same message on the Help Desk two days ago that said This request is best made on the article talk page, in the form of an edit request(click for instructions) - along with the explanation of why that image could not be used. ColinFine (talk) 14:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Meta subdomain, what's it mean

What's the "meta" subdomain mean in other MediaWiki websites like Miraheze's https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Meta, and Wikimedia's https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page page, why doesn't Wikipedia itself have one? Bzik2324 (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bzik. This is not really the kind of question that the Teahouse is for (rather, help with using and editing Wikipedia), but I'll try and answer you. Meta is one of those words which has become prevalent in the technological world, and whose meaning isn't always very clear; but it most often means "talking about how to do something or how something works, as opposed to doing the something". So on StackExchange, each site has a meta for discussing how that site works and how users interact with it. I don't know how it is used in Miraheze, but I imagine it's something similar.

Since Wikipedia is one of the Wikimedia family of sites, the meta:Main page that you point at mostly serves that function. Other areas which might be seen as "meta" for Wikipedia are many parts of the Wikipedia name-space (such as where we are now), and particularly the the Village pump; and, in a way, talk pages. ColinFine (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bzik - the Meta-Wiki here on Wikimedia (and on similar networks) functions as a coordinating project for global actions like requests for comment, global account changes/renames, and Wikimedia-wide governance or coordination discussions and documentation. Unlike the English Wikipedia it is not a content project. A good example of recent activity on Meta-Wiki is related to the proposed movement charter, a document that is currently being developed/ratified that will spell out the various roles and responsibilities for different groups of people in the Wikimedia movement. If you're curious to learn more, the Meta-Wiki about page can give you some more information. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Article translation help

Hello, I'm KB from Binance. A few months back, I submitted a draft article for Richard Teng, the company's CEO, at Articles for Creation. It was accepted and I found the process quite straightforward. After that, I started preparing translations of the article. I want to be respectful of my COI, so I've avoided directly creating the translations on other languages of Wikipedia. I've tried using the other language links from WP:AfC for a couple, and a WikiProject for another and had varying results. I'll admit, it's been confusing. I am hoping editors here might have some advice for how I should proceed.

• Portuguese: An editor responded and said the article looked good and offered to create it, but they haven't responded in over a month.
• Spanish: I tried WikiProject biographies and also posted a note on the Spanish Binance article Talk page but have not heard from anyone.
• French: On the French Wikipedia, I used the proofreading forum linked from AfC and received one reply seemingly reprimanding me for not posting in French, which has me weary of making further posts on other Wikipedias.

Does anyone here have experience with Wikipedia in these other languages? Is there somewhere else I should be seeking help instead? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks so much, KB at Binance (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KB at Binance. While there may happen to be people reading this page who have experience of using those other Wikipedias, I'm not aware of anywhere that gives help on this, beyond the general advice at translate us. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@KB at Binance: Hi there! At the top of this page is a dropdown that says "32 languages", which provides links to Teahouse-like pages at the Wikipedias in other languages. There's a similar dropdown at the top of Wikipedia:Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Requesting suggestions on whether the following proposed section (RfC) is suitable for inclusion to the LiveJasmin page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:LiveJasmin#RfC%20on%20whether%20#Latest%20proposed%20%22Legal%20Issues%22%20section%20improved%20after%20a%20number%20of%20suggestions%20from%20the%20community%20should%20be%20included%20in%20the%20page Alexfotios (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

This is already under discussion at WP:ANI. Please keep the discussion in one place. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Will do User:Shantavira Alexfotios (talk) 18:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Toba catastrophe page

Hello, I'm usually not editing, mainly correcting a few spelling mistakes here and there, obvious stuff mostly.

I have seen something on the Toba catastrophe theory page: A weird, possibly AI generated, description of the movie Jurassic World. It really doesn't belong there, please see for yourself.

I was bold, edited it out and within a few minutes my edit was reverted as it 'didn't appear to be constructive'. As I'm no expert, I'm not sure if the talkpage would be more suited for stuff like this, but I'm just wondering if I'm somehow in the 'wrong' here.

Could you please advise me on why it was reverted and how to be more constructive? 2003:CE:71D:18A2:716F:A8C:E600:6F5E (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Another editor has removed it again, without revert as of now.

Hopefully the topic is closed, thanks.

2003:CE:71D:18A2:716F:A8C:E600:6F5E (talk) 17:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that - yes, unfortunately vandalism patrollers do sometimes revert IP edits without checking carefully enough to see what's really going on. Typically a post on their talk page is enough to alert them to the mistake. (Wesoree, please be a bit more careful with Rollback in the future.) 57.140.16.57 (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

maintenance template

How do you improve an article that reads like an advertisement Neiabr (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

By removing the magical words to watch from it, and generally writing in Wikivoice. Do you have a particular article in mind? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Logo update

How do I change the logo on my business wiki? Susanevenson (talk) 18:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

What page does this relate to, is it Bison Transport? If you have a conflict of interest then you need to declare it on your userpage. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

As for the logo, you would need to upload a non-free version of the logo using the Wikipedia file upload wizard. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

But you should not edit Wikipedia's article about your business (which is not "your business wiki") because of your conflict of interest: instead,once you have made the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor), you should raise an edit request on the article's talk page. ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Order of an author's names in external links, etc.

In many articles with external links and/or bibliographies the order is Surname Given Name familiar from outside WP. Is there a WP Manual of Style section indicating that's WP style? Mcljlm (talk) 19:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Hi there! In Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout, see the "Further reading" and "External links" sections. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Useful sections GoingBatty but I don't the order of authors' names mentioned. Mcljlm (talk) 22:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: The Further reading section states "An optional bulleted list, usually alphabetized, ...formatted in the same citation style used by the rest of the article." Click the Wikipedia:Further reading link and you'll see the merits of chronological vs. alphabetized, and the statement "You may want to organize the items, either alphabetically, by date, or by some other criterion."

I don't see mention of authors in the "External links" section or Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#External links section or Wikipedia:External links. WP:ELORDER mentions putting the official website first and using simple links. GoingBatty (talk) 22:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Picture of a Book Cover

I'm creating the article for Experience and Nature and want to add a picture of the book's cover. How do people do this without violating copyright?

EDIT: I decided to upload a picture of the book under the non-free use criteria, thank you everyone!

Aaronlearns (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll add that I don't think I can do the picture of the cover off Amazon, because that's promotional material, and if I just take a picture of a copy of the book and try to upload to Wikimedia, I can't say that the work is "entirely my own" because it contains the design of the cover. Aaronlearns (talk) 20:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Upload it using the Wikipedia File Upload Wizard under an appropriate non-free use criteria. It's possible that you still won't be able to upload it under a valid criteria, but I haven't looked much into it personally. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this! Aaronlearns (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aaronlearns: I've downloaded several images of books and albums from Amazon and uploaded to the English Wikipedia under the non-free use criteria. Alternatively, you could also use an image from the publisher's web site. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:04, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Will definitely take the publisher's website into account from here on out! Aaronlearns (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aaronlearns: Works published before 1929 in the United States are in the public domain, so if you can find an image or scan of the first US edition, you can upload that to Wikimedia Commons. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The book was published in 1925, but the edition along with its unique cover was in 1958, it's the design of the cover I'm worried about. Aaronlearns (talk) 21:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Why not show the cover (or better, the title page) of the first edition? It's likely to be at archive.org. 126.157.199.91 (talk) 21:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aaronlearns: If you mean the b&w version here, see c:Com:TOO. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

That's where I went first, but if the image is from Amazon, that's technically promotional material, right? Aaronlearns (talk) 21:26, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

We don't like to link to promotional sites, but there's no reason why you can't take an image from one. Presuming Andy is right about C:Com:TOO, it is in the public domain, so you are not infringing Amazon's or anybody else's copyright by copying it. ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Greenville-Spartanburg Int'l Airport (GSP) table cleanup

 Courtesy link: Greenville–Spartanburg International Airport

Hello. Go to above article, scroll down to Annual passenger traffic table, please fix so decades are aligned, 1960's,1970s...etc so the columns align by decade. I cant figure how to troubleshoot, added 2021,2022, and 2023 pax data and threw it out of alignment. Thank you for your time and appreciate the help. Have a good evening.Theairportman33531 (talk) 21:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Why on earth is a table like that encyclopaedic? ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Revised table for easier expansion. Disregard my request. Disregard.Theairportman33531 (talk) 02:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I fix it?

Hey, I accidentally put 2 references with the same source on the Autopsy Torment article, How do I unite the two references? MJGTMKME123 (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello MJG etc, and welcome to the Teahouse. You do this by using named references. ColinFine (talk) 22:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

ok thanks MJGTMKME123 (talk) 22:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Photo

I have a photo that I would like to upload to a page, but Wikipedia will not allow it. How may I upload the image? Thank you. Rmavila2024 (talk) 00:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Rmavila2024 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot directly upload images to this Wikipedia locally. If you took the image yourself, it is already in the public domain(due to its age or being, for example, a work of the US federal government), or you can prove it has been released with a copyright allowing for reuse for any purpose with attribution, you may upload it to Commons. See WP:UPIMAGE for more information. 331dot (talk) 00:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Rmavila2024: you triggered an automated warning by trying to upload a small resolution image as a new user. As you have claimed this image as your own work (meaning that you held the camera and took the photograph) you probably have a higher resolution version from your camera which should work. MKFI (talk) 06:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

R cat shell question

Hullo friends. I was just wondering if the template {{Redirect category shell}} was required to be placed on redirect pages or not. Thanks! Antrotherkus 00:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not mandatory, but it is helpful. -- asilvering (talk) 00:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

{{Use American English}}

Is there a convention or MOS guide as to whether or not to tag this? I'm writing an article now in American English about something totally unrelated to the United States. Should I tag it to let other editors know to try to continue the style for cogency's sake? Or should I leave it without a tag at all because it's not related to the regional variety at all? Thanks in advance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@ThaesOfereode: I am not sure what that tag is normally used for, it seems to just add the page to a category. At MOS:RETAIN, the manual of style already says to continue using the variety of English that is already in the article. RudolfRed (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for taking the time to respond! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi ThaesOfereode. MOS:ENGVAR covers what you're asking about. Generally, others are asked to defer to the style of English established by the article's creator or the first major contributor, but a change can be made is achieved through consensus on the article's talk page. You can add something like {{American English}} to the article, but often such templates go unnoticed by others who might edit the article (particularly if they just open the edit window for a specific subsection of the article) or they're occasionally just ignored by those who feel all things Wikipedia should be either be one way or the other. You can hope others defer to the style you choose and revise things when they don't, but discussions about which national variety of English to use can sometimes become very time consuming and heated because some refuse budge from the position that their preferred national variety is the "only correct variety". So, try to be flexible in your approach. If similar articles are using a national variety of English that isn't the same as one you want to use, you might want to take that under consideration. Moreover, you might want to assess whether it's worth something fighting over if it really doesn't affect the reader's encyclopedic understanding of the article. As mentioned above, others are going to be expected to defer to the style you choose (absent a pretty obvious reason for changing to something else), but at some point you might need to reconsider whether this something worth fighting over to the point that it ends up being discussed and one of the administrator's noticeboard because one or more of those involved is unable to work things out per WP:DR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly. I will probably tag it with American English in case whoever edits it next cares/knows enough to look, but if consensus converts it to British English or something else, it's no bother to me. Thanks for the write up. I appreciate you taking the time! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

To summarize, ThaesOfereode, the content of some articles have a clear connection to an Emglish variation. For example, Los Angeles is written in American English and London is written in British English and Toronto is written in Canadian English. But articles about planets and galaxies and subatomic particles and mathematical concepts and oceans and weather and plate tectonics have no national connection. The original author then establishes the English variation. That being said, editors should strive for a universal style of English in such cases that does not express an idiosyncratic version of English. For the sake of discussion, let's say that there are three synonyms for some concept. One word is favored by British writers and another word is favored by American writers and the third word is commonly used and understood by English readers worldwide. Use the third word. Cullen328 (talk) 06:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

please help with referencing - i keep getting this sent back

i keep getting this sent back - that my referencing isnt adeqaute GeorgeBergerson (talk) 00:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeBergerson: Welcome to the Teahouse. Without commenting on the reliability of the sources, you don't have any inline citations in your draft at Draft:Annabelle Yates. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

how do I do that? GeorgeBergerson (talk) 01:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeBergerson: Check out the information at Help:Referencing_for_beginners and User:Nick_Moyes/Easier_Referencing_for_Beginners RudolfRed (talk) 01:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Rules about copying text?

I am editing this article Margherita Carosio

From previous experiences, i know i can copy text from one wikipedia article into another if i mention it in my edit summary. But this article uses a paragraph from a journalistic article (it is an obituary). i cited it as a reference, since the obituary was already cited in the article. should i mention something in an edit summary? isn't this plagiarism? Drew Stanley (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Drew Stanley: I'm not entirely clear on what you are asking. You should not copy from outside sources, but instead put the material into your own words and cite the source. RudolfRed (talk) 03:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like someone else copied from an outside source - see the paragraph "Latterly,..."Drew Stanley (talk) 03:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

in this case, i'd remove all of the copied material and rewrite it, citing the source at the end. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 04:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft resubmission

Hello,

I'm writing to request help with a draft I've been working on for the past two weeks. I recently added some requested changes and am awaiting feedback. Could you tell me what I need to do next? I hit publish so other reviewers should be able to get in touch. I was not able to reach my assigned reviewer.

Thank you, Divya Divyan87 (talk) 03:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:P.K. Narayana Pillai has been declined three times (and submitted a fourth). Reviewers have given reasons as part of the review, and also more detail on your Talk page. There is no such practice as an "assigned reviewer", although in the history of this draft, the same reviewer is responsible for the three Declined. David notMD (talk) 03:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Owen Jones British Journalist

I have some questions that relate to the Wikipedia entry for Owen Jones, the journalist, I am seeing political bias and POV, Also where the journalist this article is about has wrote articles that are used as a source about himself in the article, is that usual and permitted? I have edited assuming in effect self published work is not acceptable, am I correct? Pennine rambler (talk) 05:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

if you're concerned about NPOV, you can make a post over at the NPOV noticeboard. as for sources written by Jones, i'm only seeing one, which is cited to Jones is a former member of the Labour Party, having held membership of the party since the age of 15 and cancelling his membership in March 2024. as this is a self-description, it's fine to cite Jones himself for this. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 05:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Pennine rambler It's difficult to respond to the grievance "this is biased". Please use the talk page to detail the specific passages you find problematic, where sources are not being accurately summarized. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Jeff Elman page

edit dispute (2 other Editors simply remove my comments on Talk page, refusing to discuss)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Jeffrey Elman

Jeffrey Elman

What do you do when 2 other editors refuse to discuss on the Talk page why they have reverted back a fairly straightforward edit to the article page? Towards the end of this post, I discuss what I think my options are; I'd appreciate some feedback on the best approach. This page in question isn't a "hot" or contemporarily controversial topic. [Note: I created a wikipedia account so I could post this at the Teahouse; I believe all the edits on the article and Talk pages from Apr 9 & 10, 2024 that are unsigned are by me.] I'd appreciate any feedback, and thank you for reading and replying.

To summarize: I added a link to a source, a couple sentences (striving to be very neutral), and 2 quotes from that source to the page above. The source I added I believe was a very high quality source, and the sentences I added were written in an unbiased way. One editor (Nomoskedasticity) simply reverted, without discussion. I looked at that editor's talk page and found warnings on there about that editor reverting other editors' contributions.

I reinstalled my edit, but also went to the Talk page to try to engage in discussion. Fairly quickly (well under a day) my contributions to both the article page and the Talk page were removed, with no explanation. A 2nd editor (William F. Connelly) got involved. I pointed out on the Talk page that I was trying to follow the Wikipedia policy to discuss the issue on the Talk page. However, the 2 editors simply refuse to discuss or give any reason for their positions.

The editor did make a comment in the edit notes of the Talk page that was uninformative about why my contribution was removed, but expressed a very disdainful attitude towards me.

I once again tried to engage on the Talk page (only), and that contribution was again removed without discussion. The editor made a vague comment on the History page which referenced BLP. I read through the BLP policy page, and I cannot see how that would prevent the edits I made and the source I added. Indeed, some of what I added was mentioned in a newspaper article that is already linked to in the article. (The link to that newspaper article doesn't currently work. After having my edits deleted, I mentioned on the Talk page that there is a web archive version of the page available that should be used instead of the broken one - that has not yet been updated.) ==*** I've summarized here the situation fairly briefly; the details can be seen in the edits I made to the article page and the Talk page, and I'd be happy to provide more details as needed.

I wasn't intending to create a Wikipedia login or spend much time. I had just come across that page after looking up Jeff Elman. I did some digging on the internet, and came up with a link that allowed me to find the web archive version of the source I originally added to the article, and I thought it was an important source to include on that page. [I did spend a good amount of time trying to get the code correct to cite the source.]

I'm extremely troubled by what I'm seeing from these editors who refuse to follow Wikipedia policies and discuss on the Talk page. They also are simply very uncivil in the way they've treated me. I generally like to try to find positive intent, but I'm unable to in this case.

Unfortunately, I've now wasted quite a few hours trying to understand why these other 2 editors feel they can act this way. What I've concluded is that they're violating Wikipedia policies and they don't intend to explain their position.

On April 10, I also spent some time going back through the history of the Talk page and cannot see that there was ever in the past any discussion that led to a decision that my source was impermissible.

I started to read through the dispute resolution process. I'm not sure whether I should request a 3rd opinion (that page mentions you do that when there are only 2 editors involved; in this matter, there are now 3).

The alternative seems to go to a Noticeboard, and my question there is "Which one"? Since one of the other editors typed "BLP" in the edit comment, perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard is the place to go to.

The real unfortunate outcome of editors like these 2 is that others, who might have made valuable contributions to some number of articles over time, simply decide it's not worth the time. I also looked around the internet, and came across this article, which summarizes well what I've encountered. https://www.legalmorning.com/untouchable-unblockable-and-often-unbeatable-problematic-wikipedia-editors/ TiredofFiefdomEditing (talk) 05:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I have blocked this editor. Usernames that provoke arguments and attack other editors are not permitted. Cullen328 (talk) 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@TiredofFiefdomEditing: Your comment was not removed from the talk page; it was moved to the foot of the page, where it belongs (a duplicate copy was subsequently removed, for obvious reasons). And can still be seen there. A note was courteously left of the talk page for the IP you were using, linking to it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I have a hypothetical questions about Freedom Caucus?

What If Freedom Caucus was a hypothetical European political party? would it belong to Identity and Democracy Party or European Conservatives and Reformists? If so, why do you think it would belong to the party. I am willing to hear your opinion and explanation why. 97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! That's not really relevant to Wikipedia; we answer questions about Wikipedia here. If you have any questions relating to editing or other aspects of the project, that's the purpose of this page. Happy editing ... sawyer * he/they * talk 06:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

To be perfectly clear, speculation by editors is not permitted on Wikipedia. The role of Wikipedia editors is to summarize what reliable sources say. Nothing more and nothing less. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, If I was going off topic. I was curious to sees, but I promise to stay on topic and uses Teahouse properly.  97.97.98.76 (talk) 06:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

how to deal with possible copyright violation

Hi folks- I was fixing disambiguation links when I stumbled across NGC 2556. I followed one of the sources out of curiosity and noticed that the article copied a sentence word-for-word from the source in question (see this version, current as of earlier today and the very first version of the article, where there wasn't even a citation).

I did a quick rewrite to remove the offending sentence (though I don't feel 100% confident about whether I did that correctly), but wasn't sure if that was enough. I have sometimes seen revision deletion used in article histories, but I don't know if that is appropriate here (on the one hand, it's just one sentence, but on the other hand, it also was present in every single revision).

It's possible that it will all be a moot point, as there is a notability template up on the article, but I thought it might come up again, so I might as well figure out how to deal with it in the future. Cleancutkid (talk) 06:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Cleancutkid. Try taking a look at WP:COPYVIO and WP:CV101 because those pages provide some general guidance on what to do where you suspect something like this. If you have more specific questions after looking at those page, you can try WP:CP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft submission

 Courtesy link: Draft:Brunsviga

Hello, I am a Wikipedia contributor - on French pages. After having done the corrections which were asked, I have submitted a drafte on Brunsviga (in the Sandbox) - which I had wrote and submitted in French, then have had translated - since nearly 3 months. I am aware that there are so many drafts. Do you think it can still take a long while to review this draft ?

thank you very much for your answer. Best Regards Thémisté (talk) 08:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. We cannot help you with the French Wikipedia. Please ask at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Forum_des_nouveaux Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I believe that the OP was asking about the enwiki draft Draft:Brunsviga, to which the simple answer is that there are 3220 drafts awaiting review. David Biddulph (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks pretty sound to me, Thémisté, though I'm not a reviewer, so I think this will get reviewed sooner rather than later. I have made a number of minor typo corrections and copy edits, including some encyclopaedic and English style and vocabulary improvements, English rather than French punctuation, and placing references after punctuation as is the style on en.Wikipedia. Feel free to revert any you don't like!

I suspect the reviewer may want to modify some of your Section header wordings, as they seem a little OR and peacock, but I have not attempted to myself. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.145.123 (talk) 09:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Interesting topic and nice work. Just a little formality: if this is translated from the french article at fr:Brunsviga it needs to be attributed too; see Help:Translation. Lectonar (talk) 09:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Aidan White (journalist)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people § Aidan White (journalist)

Why was this page deleted? Aidanpwhite (talk) 08:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

@Aidanpwhite. Looks like it was deleted because Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aidan White (journalist) closed as delete. –Novem Linguae (talk) 09:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

It was a special case of deletion after an AfD, a soft delete; if you want it restored, make a request at WP:REFUND. Lectonar (talk) 09:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Errors on diagram at File:Pangaea_to_present.gif

File:Pangaea_to_present.gif

The caption "PERMIAN" should say "LATE TRIASSIC", The caption "TRIASSIC" should say "EARLY JURASSIC". The caption "JURASSIC" should say "LATE JURASSIC" The caption "CRETACEOUS 65 million years ago" should say "EARLY CRETACEOUS 66 million years ago" 115.64.115.23 (talk) 09:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Please make any suggestions for improvements or corrections to a specific article on that article's talk page, together with your reasons. Thay way, you will be in contact with editors who understand that subject better than volunteers at the Teahouse. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

How can i improve this article to be published live

Draft:Yusuph Kileo

I have all the information collected GMako6 (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I quote: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)." Where is the significant coverage? -- Hoary (talk) 12:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

English tutor

Good afternoon,

I am new in this world and I feel a bit lost. I have started writing an article in Spanish and I have a tutor in Wikipedia Spain who is being very nice to guide me. Unfortunately, in English Wikipedia I feel even more disoriented (as it is not the language I master the best). I was wondering if there would be the option of requesting a tutor to accompany me and to whom I could consult doubts as on the other platform?

I would be very grateful.

Thank you very much, Sara. SaraCoelho25 (talk) 11:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)