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Historical and cultural omissions[edit]

This article has two main problems.

1) There is a glaring omission of Native American history from this entire entry. It reflects a clear bias. Below are articles with information to begin to correct the problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squanto http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1650bradford.asp#Treaty%20with%20the%20Indians http://americanindiansource.com/mourningday.html floyd maywheater es joto, tambien los candidatos a presidentes y federico tambien 2) Rather than define Thanksgiving in the specific context of the national US holiday, the article includes irrelevant and distracting factoids about other harvest festivals and uses of the term thanksgiving in different contexts. If these must remain on the same page, they should be separated out by category to clarify the US national holiday and its particular mythologies/histories.

I agree with the above poster, many mentions of Thanksgiving as a group of holidays from pre-Columbian and certainly pre-Mayflower native Americans links to this article. The history section is laughable coming from these articles, and could be corrected with a short paragraph on pre-Mayflower thanksgivings (in addition to the above posters links, the Indians on Hispanola were brutally slaughtered by the Spanish for having the gall to have a Thanksgiving celebration. And even THAT article says, "Although the festival ended up as a massacre, it is regarded as the first Thanksgiving of the New World."

Which is complete nonsense! Maybe, "the first Thanksgiving witnessed by a European, that we have records for." 71.255.38.213 (talk) 09:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)Chezzo Osman

Indian festivals similar to Thanksgiving[edit]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_harvest_festivals

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2014[edit]

United Kingdom[edit]

This section is highly misleading. I don't know anybody in Britain apart from American expats who celebrates American style Thanksgiving complete with a family gathering, turkey dinner etc. There is a tradition of harvest festivals in churches in Autumn but these are never referred to as thanksgiving celebrations, and only involve a tiny proportion of the population anyway, as Britain is a largely secular society. The 'all the world's America' tone of articles covering US culture is infuriating sometimes. --Ef80 (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I would like to know why thanksgiving is not on Thursday, November 25, 2016, OR CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE CALENDER for the next year be decided and by whom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1305:E143:11C:63F8:46A5:1D44 (talk) 20:59, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

"United States and Canada were it is a national holiday" should read "United States and Canada where it is a national holiday" - note that 'were' must be changed to 'where'. Whirlsword (talk) 15:32, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

To the person above asking why Thanksgiving is not on November 25 2016. February 29th 2016 is why, 2016 is a leap year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.144.189 (talk) 17:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

There is no way 1 in 6 Brits celebrate Thanksgiving. That's some insane marketing fantasy twisted out of a poll whose methodology, sample size and questions have not been published. --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 08:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Completely agree with --Ef80 and --Walnuts go kapow comments: Most people in the UK have at least an outline idea of the American holiday dates, significance, and that it involves eating turkey. Beyond that no-one knows or cares. I can offer no evidence for that other than my own observation that I've never been to, been invited to, or heard of a Thanksgiving party or dinner in 34 years of life in the UK; or the fact that none of the 8 statutory Bank Holidays in England are designated for Thanksgiving (although they cover important national events such as Christmas, Easter (no-one is religous here, mind) and another four reserved for, um, getting pissed (drunk).

But the British celebration of Harvest Festival alluded to is certainly *not* cognate with American Thanksgiving; firstly it is rarely observed these days, secondly takes place in late September (as mentioned, never October let alone November) and thirdly is explicitly a pagan-derived celebration of agricultural fertility. *If* this Thanksgiving article encompasses a 'general' harvest festival of the UK type (as opposed to US Thanksgiving, explicitly tied to commemoration of a historical event, etc) then it might as well merge back into Harvest festival. Alternatively, if it's important the United States' national Harvest Festival has a separate page, other nations' or cultures' national harvest festivals should have their own pages too, but certainly not be considered in some way derivative or narratively linked to Thanksgiving. Is the Thanksgiving article going to cover e.g. Flores_de_Mayo or Oktoberfest, too?!

Finally the Telegraph article is highly suspect, I agree. No source given for the 'study' which as mentioned jars with experience. Turkey Marketing Board Of Norfolk, perhaps? For instance a 95% uplift in turkey sales sounds impressive - until you realise that whole turkeys in the UK are rarely eaten, except for Christmas (they're the centrepiece of the dinner for exactly that reason).

So: some US expats and their families may well celebrate Thanksgiving in the UK (to the extent that they might in any other country, of course...) but no-one in Britain takes any notice. Certainly not 1 in 6 britons (that is, 10 million people)... Put another way, I've heard of, and been to, events for Diwali which is actively observed by Britain's million or so Hindus - a tenth as many people. Comrade jo (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Daily Telegraph article claiming that 1 in 6 Britons celebrate Thanksgiving[edit]

What utter nonsense! (1) "One in six British people now celebrates Thanksgiving, according to a new survey." The cited article gives no link to that "survey". (2) "Coventry is, apparently, the epicentre of this outpouring of American love." Total bullshit! I have lived in Coventry since 1973 and have never - but never heard of anyone celebrating American-style Thanksgiving in that city. Narky Blert (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

There's a discussion about this further up the page. I have found a press release from Waitrose which is the source for this churnalism (http://waitrose.pressarea.com/pressrelease/details/78/PRODUCT%20NEWS_12/3613) but as previously noted the methodology, sample size and questions have not been published. I don't think it could be considered a reliable source. --Walnuts go kapow (talk) 08:39, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I think we now have an emerging consensus that the Telegraph reference is just PR bollocks, so it would seem appropriate to modify the article accordingly unless somebody comes up with a real WP:RS stating that 10 million Brits sat down to pumpkin pie and turkey last Thursday. I'll do the deed in a couple of weeks if nobody objects. --Ef80 (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes - there is complete agreement and consensus. The article should be corrected and the unreliable sources removed. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 13:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
Dubious statements with weak refs removed. --Ef80 (talk) 18:55, 18 December 2015 (UTC)