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How do you know?[edit]

"They were the first humans to climb above 8,000 metres (26,000 ft) on a mountain." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.138.47.192 (talk) 07:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

earlier comments[edit]

I suggest to move this article to

"Timeline of climbing Mount Everest"

and to categorize it into

Category:Regional timelines

Category:Mountaineering

Category:Summiters of Mount Everest

Please vote. CeeGee 22:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This seems OK to me. Viewfinder 22:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. CeeGee 23:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Style standardization[edit]

Timelines are commonly written in present tense, but large chunks of this are past tense documentation. For ease of reading and standardization, I have converted all of it to past tense, IOW: "James Smith became the first left-handed person from a landlocked Midwestern American state to summit," not "becomes." (No, the sarcasm isn't intended to be derogatory. I was just having fun.:)) I recommend sticking to past tense for consistency.Mzmadmike (talk) 08:08, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable climbing[edit]

First, generally it is suggested to link other articles only once per article or section (if the article is long). Here we link the various days/years many times. Is there any reason for that?
Secondly, it seems to me that this list is quite a mess. For instance, I do not see why Romi Garduce should be here (beeing the third of his own country to climb Everest is not that interesting). --gala.martin (what?) 02:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right. I merely copied and pasted the material from Mount Everest to stop the indiscriminate growth of a page that was already too long. Go ahead and make any edits you think are appropriate. Viewfinder 18:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable climbing 2[edit]

I think that in this list we should report only notable ascents. If you want to add an ascent, you should say why it is remarkable, why it should be on wikipedia. Everest has been climbed by thousand of people, even many tourists, I do not think that an encyclopedia should list all the people climbing Everest. Otherwise, first or then we will add a list of people going on vacation to the Carribean island an so on! Therefore, I delete (again) some items in the list.--gala.martin (what?) 13:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is really ridicilous to compare summiting Mt. Everest with going on vacation to the Carribean island. Please note that the edits I made are for summiters, and not for people who tried to climb. These are two different events. It has to be also shown that "thousands of people" have summited and not only climbed without reaching the top. It is worth of mentioning the names of people who have been at the top of the highest mountain of the world in an encyclopedia, because on the other hand so many people tried it but failed or paid it with thier lives.

As I told you before, the summiting of the Turkish expedition team is noteworthy, because all ten members, among them four women, reached the top, an event occured not so often in the past.

I will give my best to keep my additions present. CeeGee 14:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not want to start edit wars or something, so I just will give my best to avoid that. And invite you to be open to discussions, as I am (so, hopefully you will give your best to keep your additions as long as you are convinced that they are the best for wp). From the main article:

As of the end of the 2003 climbing season, 1,919 people had reached the summit (829 of them since 1998)

that is: thousands of people summited, it is shown. Moreover, in the last two summers I expect that many other climbers did it (nowadays, whoever has enough money to afford a good guide and a suitable physical training can climb Everest -of course it is not risk free, but still possible). Moreover, note that in the last years large groups of people reaching the summit are not that rare anymore. --gala.martin (what?) 14:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I agree in listing all the climbers who succeded before the 90s. At present, the new goal for professional climbers is to climb Everest and Lhotse together (without going back to the base camp), even with no use of oxygen. So, climbing Everest is certainly a wonderful and excting experience (surely better than Carribean Island!), but IMHO not that interesting to be here. --gala.martin (what?) 15:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your additional info and your understanding. CeeGee 19:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it an OK, let's clen up! or not? gala.martin (what?) 17:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are a funny guy. I meant I appreciate your agreement for leaving my edits and additions as they are. No clean up, nothing! Hands away! CeeGee 18:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in the light of what I wrote, tell me one good reason to leave in the timeline people who was the fifth of his/her country to summit Everest. If I do not edit the article, it does not mean that I agree with it. It just means that I do not edit if there are some points to discuss about it. gala.martin (what?) 21:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have been on wp in the last day. Therefore, since I did not receive any reason from you (or whoever) to keep the disputed items, I delete them. I invite you to be as respectful as I am, and -in the unprobable case in which you do not accept my edits :)- do not revert them without further discussions (NO EDIT WARS!). gala.martin (what?) 19:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had already given the reason and explained that I will insist on my insertion. See 14:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC). Sorry, I find no time to discuss same things ever and ever.CeeGee 08:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lets just see 2000: "On May 17 Nazir Sabir from Pakistan became the first Pakistani to climb Everest. He climbed from the Nepali side at 7:32 a.m local time.

On October 7 Davo Karničar from Slovenia accomplished an uninterrupted ski descent from the top to the base camp in four and a 1/2 hours."

Oh, someone from Pakistan climbed Everest. Wooohooo...big deal. I know it's great thing for any nation to climb Everest, but this is WORLD encyclopedia, not Pakistani nor any other nation's. And, frankly, people don't care if some Pakistani (I don't have anything against Pakistan, I'm just using this as an example) made totally normal, everyday ascent. It's only BIG ASS major accomplishments that should be noted (e.g. skiing from the summit to BC). To lazy to log in, I'm z0r04st3r —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.80.55 (talk) 20:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC) --00:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)72.221.72.180 (talk)Angela Bell 7:56 i heat u casey mcandrew!!<3[reply]

And a follow up: nor is this Turkish encyclopedia, so turkish expedition IMO has no place here. If I remember correct there were days when more then 100 people summited, so 10 people from Turkey (or whereever) is no big deal. And you yourself said that same things happened before, so why list it, it's just another ascent in the line. Z0r04st3r (talk) 20:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop the edit warring[edit]

I created this list to make more space, so I don't like this edit warring over who should be included. Please agree or go to arbitration. In my opinion, it should include, or be linked to, everyone who has summitted Everest, but I know of no copyright free source of this information. Viewfinder 20:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I do not like edit wars as well. Indeed I think the discussion was going quietly enough. Unfortunately, I will not have much time to spend on wikipedia in the next month, and I prefer to use it in a more profitable way. By the way, it hurts the fact that the one who does not give his reasons will get it. --gala.martin (what?) 15:18, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How many climbed each year?[edit]

This would be the useful thing to know: how many people made it to the top each year? This actually came up in a quiz recently, and I'm not satisfied with the answer (given as "more than 500 each year"). It'd be nice to have "2003: xxx summits". Stevage 10:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The "lion story" - a fake?[edit]

1952 New Zealand Eugene Aarons-cooke becomes the first woman to perish by means of an animal on Mount Everest. She was mauled by a lion at the base camp, and her body was not discovered until 3 years later in a cave A lion above 13.000 ft?? ... Please verify. 217.189.99.15

Application for External Link to full list of ascents[edit]

The link is here. The lists are not mine, but they are on my site, so I should not add these links myself. Viewfinder 14:03, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-Mallory Asian expeditions[edit]

Is it reasonable to assume that people from the Asian continent ascended the mountain before the first expedition recorded here? Is there any documented evidence of pre-Mallory expeditions? Black-Velvet 10:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Europeans often regarded mountains such as Everest as 'sacred' and, apart from the taboo aspect, didn't see any reasons in climbing the mountains in the first place. Mountain climbing originated as a sport in the UK and Europe, and their colonial related cultures, and it was therefore often these nationalities that made many first ascents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.40.254.10 (talk) 16:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is not reasonable to assume "that people from the Asian continent ascended the mountain before the first expedition recorded here?" The comment about mountain climbing growing as a sport in Europe is spot on. (Though what "colonial related culture" has to do with anything under discussion is a mystery to me). There is no evidence documented or otherwise that anyone tried to climb Everest before the British. --Paul (talk) 16:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Latest climbing[edit]

Why is this article missing the May 16, 2007 ascent of the three Filipino women? -chris^_^ 00:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ANYONE?! -chris^_^ 10:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why aren't Rob Gauntlett(19) and James Hooper(19) on this list the youngest Britons to climb Mount Everest.

I'm guessing you'll need no answer other then: Why aren't there the youngest Germans, Austrians, Swiss, Italians, Poles, French, Spanish, Americans, Canadians, Mexicans, Indians, Slovenians, ...., San Marinoans and Vaticanians to climb Mt Everest? Why aren't there the oldest of each nation in the world? First woman of each nation in the world? The oldest and youngest women of each nation? etcetcetc... IMO, only SPECIAL climbs of world interest should be noted. Exceptions are pre 1990 ascents 'cuz those were true climbers, mountaineers and pioneers, unlike these tourists today :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.80.55 (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maurice Wilson[edit]

I just merged the Maurice Wilson article into here, and so as to avoid deletion of information I left the second paragraph on this page. It reads like fairly wild speculation, but I dont know enough about the subject to decide. If someone who knows about it has a look, remove it if its the speculation isn't widely held? Jdcooper (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've recreated the article on Wilson with more information and better sourcing - he was a fascinating character, and there's more than enough on him for a good article. The idea that he reached the summit is very much a minority view - I'm not sure if anyone other than Noy believes it. I've given it a bit of discussion in the main article (possibly too much), but I agree it doesn't belong in the summary here. I'm removing it. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 00:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1996[edit]

Is there a reason for ignoring 1996, which included the worst disaster on the mountain, as well as the the first IMAX footage from its summit? MMetro (talk) 13:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of regional, national, and ethnic records??[edit]

I think the line On 13 May Dave Rodney became the first Canadian born in Saskatchewan to summit Mt. Everest, and also the 12th Canadian to summit Mt. Everest is a bit redundant, there has already been a "first Canadian" to reach the summit, so what the point in this? I hardly think that being from Saskatchewan merits notice in the article. Any opposition to my removal of this? Taifar ious1 06:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

year 1982[edit]

Although the 1982 British expedition to climb the unclimbed North-East ridge, with a climbing team of Chris Bonington, Peter Boardman, Joe Tasker and Dick Renshaw was ultimately unsuccessful, I think it is worth a mention if only because of the loss of Boardman and Tasker, two of the most accomplished mountaineers of their era. If you think it appropriate would you please edit the entry for 1982 to include info of this attempt.Sandyshaw100 (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're right - it's a significant omission, and I've added a section to fill it. Thanks. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 19:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about natives?[edit]

Did any Himalayan natives ever attempt to make the ascent? This article only presents the western view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.137.29 (talk) 00:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should I or shouldn't I bite? Why not read the artcile on Sherpa Tenzing? 90.193.97.18 (talk) 16:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that the Tenzing Norgay article addresses the question on point, but I don't believe that any serious researcher believes that there were any such serious attempts. If you have a reliable source to the contrary, please add them, or if you don't feel comfortable doing that, please point me to them and I will.--SPhilbrick T 17:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Most entries, while they may be true, are devoid of any verification by an inline citation. This should be improved and any remaining unsourced entries removed as not being notable enough for the list. If the person is not notable enough to have their own article, in most instances, they are not notable enough to be listed here either. Who can help? ww2censor (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why no NZ flag?[edit]

Why does the the entry for 1953 have the UK and Nepal flags, but no NZ flag? As a Brit expedition, the Brit flag alone should be shown? If the intention is to recognise the nationalities of the climbers, then both should be displayed? Moriori (talk) 02:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because the RGS was extremely "sensitive" to the fact that it should be a true Englishman who reached the summit first. George Finch, who reached the highest point in 1922 (and was arguably the best mountaineer the English had), was not allowed because he was A) divorced, B) gained financially by lecurting with the expedition photos and C)--most important--was not English! Thus, they downplayed Hillary's nationality. TH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.46.91 (talk) 3:04 pm, 27 July 2011, Wednesday (1 year, 9 months, 14 days ago) (UTC+2)

It now does.82.38.193.11 (talk) 19:55, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

1st person to get to the top of mt everest[edit]

02:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)24.56.51.126 (talk) hi my name is madelynn who was the first person to get to the top of mt everest? Madelynn — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madelynn00 (talk • contribs) 02:18, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the article you would know that Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay have that honour. ww2censor (talk) 03:48, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian Expedition: Succeed[edit]

84.20.86.221 (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)I got this email two days ago and I was wondering about the climbings to Mount Everest and father-and-son successes and would like to share the recent information below: 25 MAY 2012 EVEREST EXPEDITION SUMMIT UPDATES A HISTORY IS MADE & SUCCESSFUL FIRST EVER ALBANIAN EXPEDITION TO EVEREST CONGRATULATION TO ALL THE SUCCESSFUL CLIMBING & GUIDES TO CONQUER THE EVEREST They are returning back to camp II at 7800 before it start to get windy and weather getting bad and we will get back with summit details later on. Proud to update the FIRST ALBANIAN EVEREST EXEPDITION TEAM of Mr GJERGJI BOJAXHI (38 year) Expedition team leader, XHIMI BEGEJA (47 years ) GERTI PISHTARI (25 years) , FATION PLAKU(36 years), ERLIN RUDHO (23 years) and MATEO BEGEJA (18 years, the youngest in team) reaching the EVEREST TOP at 0700 am ( + 5.45 GMT) this 25 MAY 2012 with support of MOUNTAIN MONARCH strong climbing guide Sherpa team of Tendi SHERPA, Dawa Finjo SHERPA, Aang Dawa SHERPA, Lakpa Nuru SHERPA, Pasang Kaji SHERPA and Phudorchi SHERPA. Mountain Monarch Adventure proudly took a responsibility to organize this first ever ALBANIAN EVEREST EXPEDITION on the very special year on the country’s 100th anniversary of independence with support from DAJTI ALPINO TOURISTIC ASSOCIATION. This morning DREAM COME TRUE. We would like to congratulate all the EVEREST EXPEDITION team members and ALBANIAN People and share the great historical moment of ALBANIAL FLAG FLUTTING ON THE TOP OF EVEREST and of course the first ever ALBANIAN TEAM to conquer the EVEREST in BIG WAY. The firsts to summit were Gerti Pishtari, Fation Plaku and Gjergj Bojaxhi. Thirty minutes later came Erlin Rrudho. The last two were Xhimi and Matheo Begeja, with a delay of ninety minutes. 84.20.86.221 (talk) 22:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First Belgian male climber climbing Mount Everest[edit]

I saw in this article in 'Timeline of regional, national and ethnic records' Ingrid Baeyens as the first Belgian woman who climbed Everest. (1992) That's true. But I saw nothing in this list of the first Belgian climber of Everest, the male climber Rudy Van Snick, who reached the summit on 10/05/1990. He was a member of the New Zealand International Everest Expedition in 1990 with leader Rob Hall. Also Peter Hillary (son of Edmund Hillary), Gary Ball and Mikael Reutersward were in the team.

I am a great fan of wikipedia. I just wanted to help and tell the list is not complete. You can find information about the Belgian climber Rudy Van Snick on the internet. I have also a book of him climbing Everest. (ISBN 90 209 1842 7) I hope this was helpfull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.83.72.131 (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic Flag[edit]

May 25 – Paul Keleher, 28, of United Kingdom takes the London 2012 Olympic Flag to the top of Mount Everest, becoming the first person to take an official Olympic Flag to the summit.[126]

C'mon no way is this "notable". Where is the line drawn? The first person to take an official Nokia sponsor logo to the summit?

While the "first" geographical records are just about valid, there is no way that this is and I propose this entry is removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.239.99 (talk) 16:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this is non-notable, but so are many of the other listings, it would be good if we could agree on what constitutes a notable ascent of a mountain. From a mountaineering perspective, nationality or flag carried is not notable, only the route you took and what limitations on technique were imposed, and perhaps the time taken. So first ascents of South col route, North col, Southwest face, etc would be notable. Also first non-oxygen ascent, first free-climbing (no pitons etc) and soloing (no support climbers) etc. Fastest ascent might also be notable. The only other thing would be to repeat this for first female to do such things since in most physical sports it is accepted that female and male participants can't be compared and should be treated separately.

One way of dealing with this would be to split the article into two sections, one for notable ascents from a mountaineering POV and the second section for the jingoistic stuff for the benefit of people who want to look up the first ascent by one of their countrymen or other category of person. Samatarou (talk) 21:13, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Romero-Lundgren expedition of 2010: The first family to make it?[edit]

I know that Jordan Romero is the youngest to reach the summit, but would he, his dad, and stepmom also be the first (non-Sherpa) family to do so together? thanks - knoodelhed (talk) 03:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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External links modified (January 2018)[edit]

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Conquest change to Timeline[edit]

I note a search for "Conquest of Everest" for the 1952 film concerning this "The Conquest of Everest" returns "Timeline of Mount Everest expeditions" it appears usual practice to not require "The" as a prefix by search engines. There must be a sensible directive to the correct page; that discussing the film. An expert better than I maybe could arrange this.

--LlamanTont0 (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Matthews[edit]

Shouldn’t Michael Matthews, who died on the mountain in 1999, be included? Jhurley85 (talk) 20:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jhurley85: Normally if a person is not notable enough to have an article about them, then they are not included in the list. This Michael Matthews does not show up here Michael Matthews (disambiguation). See WP:NSPORT. If there are enough suitable sources to verify his notability, you could create a draft article for review and once accepted, then you can add it to the list. ww2censor (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. Thank you. His death was pretty notable, and a documentary was made about him, but I don’t known if it warrants an article. I appreciate your prompt response. Jhurley85 (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]