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There is no such thing. A state exists, or it doesn't exist. This one did. It is irrelevant whether (for example) a corrupt talking shop such as the UN happened to dislike it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- You are not correct; when a group of people proclaim a new state to exist in a geographic area, the recognition of their attempt by other states, and by the people in the geographic area, are key to whether it will come into existence and remain in existence. The American Colonies declared independence, then fought a war and won, then the confederate "states" declared their independence and fought a war and lost. Israel declared a state and fought a series of wars. Eritrea proclaimed a state... I could go on. Your claim that those states existed or did not exist at each point in time is not a reflection of reality, there are grey areas and there are birthing pains. Long after the fact you can look back and say "well it happened on this day", but you might be celebrating as statehood what other people call a beer hall putsch. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Not entirely comfortable with this approach:
- What's the guideline - is this article too long?
- We are losing and awful lot of material here. If removal is appropriate then the material removed should be put into the relevant articles History of Zimbabwe etc., rather than just deleting.
- Some material is removed as unsourced. This is wrong - it should be tagged so editors can run around and find the sources and only removed if no-one finds a source after the tag is in place for a reasonable period of time.
- The article is longish. See WP:SIZERULE; the current prose size is 61kb, anything over 60 kB falls under "probably should be divided". The pre-cuts version was 71 kB.
- There is already a lot of unsourced material at History of Zimbabwe, especially about the recent history, which was all I summarised (the pre-1980 years were untouched), so adding more would not improve either article.
- WP:V says it pretty clearly - any unsourced material may be removed. If you look at History of Zimbabwe, there are 'citation needed' tags going back to 2007, and keeping a country-level article in those conditions for so long is inappropriate in my opinion.
The map in the sidebar showing Zimbabwe's location in Africa versus its location in the African Union has got to be one of the stupidest Wikipedifications that I've seen in a looong time. Did some turkey go off and do this to every African country? ... off to investigate, shaking head sadly. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- What's stupid about it? --Katangais (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Just tell where it is in Africa. The separate fact that there is an African Union which is most of Africa except Morocco withdrew from it and Central African Republic has been suspended is entirely unrelated to every other African country. It's pedantic and distracting. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Zimbabwean Bond Coins.
The Life Expectancy Figure for Zimbabwe is outdated
Under the demographics section on the Zimbabwe article, it says
"According to the United Nations World Health Organisation, the life expectancy for men was 37 years and the life expectancy for women was 34 years of age, the lowest in the world in 2006."
I am not disputing that this was true in 2006, but now it is 2015 and many new life expectancy estimates have been made, but the 2006 figure still remains. On the List of countries by life expectancy article, there are 4 different life expectancy estimates from the years 2009-2012; the figures on this page are updated but life expectancy figure on the main page on Zimbabwe remains the same. All of the four estimates have a higher life expectancy and some are a considerable increase from 2006; is this not enough to at least update the life expectancy figure?
In 2012 the WHO's life expectancy estimate for Zimbabweans from birth was 56 years for males and 60 years for females.
In 2012 the World Bank had a life expectancy estimate of 58 years (it didn't specify whether it was male or female so it can be assumed to be an average for males and females).
I don't know who will, but someone does need to update the life expectancy figure on the Zimbabwe page as it is outdated.
Where is Canaan Banana?
Isn't it strange that Canaan Banana (the first president of Zimbabwe, 1980-1987) is not mentioned anywhere in this article? Does anyone know what's up with this? Michellecornelison (talk) 03:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)