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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

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WP:RGUIDE

The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history)

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WP:RHARMFUL

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

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You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
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- WP:RETURNTORED
If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

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However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

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WP:RNEUTRAL

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

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WP:RFDHOWTO

STEP I.

Tag the redirect(s).

Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

Does this look too complicated?
Try this semi-automated process instead: (note only confirmed users can use this)

Enable Twinkle in the Gadgets tab of your preferences.
Go back to the redirect page, and choose "XFD" from the new Twinkle menu.
Fill in the form and submit it.

Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
Save the page ("Publish changes").
If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination.
If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.

STEP II.

List the entry on RfD.

Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

Enter this text below the date heading:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}}

~~~~

For this template:
- Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
- Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
Please use an edit summary such as:
Nominating [[RedirectName]]
(replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}}

~~~~

If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.

STEP III.

Notify users.

It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

If this page has been recently modified, it may not reflect the most recent changes.
Please purge this page to view the most recent changes.

Current list

August 3

Artistic swimming at the 2028 Summer Olympics

Artistic swimming at the 2028 Summer Olympics → 2028 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Way too early for this. Probably not a search term either for a little while. Propose deleting for now. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

SO(32)

SO(32) → Orthogonal group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No content on this specific group at target. Could be retargeted to Heterotic string theory or similar articles related to the physical application. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 18:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:27, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

August 2

Iasst

Iasst → Institute of advanced Study in science and technology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is intended as an acronym, so it should be capitalized. However, the acronym IASST --> International Association for Safety and Survival Training. ~~The Institute of advanced Study in science and technology page is new, still unreviewed, potentially non-notable.~~ The current target for Iasst has been redirected, given a previous XfD closer. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

The OG of the OC

The OG of the OC → Vicki Gunvalson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect not mentioned on the target page, and searching "OG of the OC" on Google doesn't bring up Vicki (at least on mind end), but other things do Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

OG of the OC

OG of the OC → Vicki Gunvalson (talk ·links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect not mentioned on the target page, and searching "OG of the OC" on Google doesn't bring up Vicki (at least on mind end), but other things do. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I added the redirect because that was the nickname given to Vicki Gunvalson as she was the longest-serving original cast member of the The Real Housewives of Orange County. OG refers to her status as an original castmate; OC refers to the setting of the show. Capricornsgroove (talk) 22:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat)

Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat) → Characters of the Mortal Kombat series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Chosen warriors → Characters of the Mortal Kombat series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not sure what the best path forward is with these redirects. For one, the phrase "chosen warrior" is mentioned at least once in the target article, but not necessarily in a way that defines the term to better understand what potential subtopics the term excludes ... meaning readers will probably not find what they are looking for with these redirects. In addition, searching "chosen warrior(s)" on third party search engines returns results for potentially-notable topics that have no connection to the Mortal Kombat series. Also, the article Mortal Kombat does not mention "chosen warrior". Chosen Warrior does not exist, Chosen warrior existed but was apparently deleted in 2006 in a method that is now out-of-process and would be reverted (deleted due to being a double redirect) by an admin/editor who hasn't edited since 2009, and Chosen Warrior (Mortal Kombat) is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2006; the history of the article seems to hint that this subject refers to a group of protagonist-like characters in the Mortal Kombat series ... but no article seems to currently define the term in a way which could be helpful to readers ... Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Metallic taste

Metallic taste → Dysgeusia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Might also refer to Taste#Metallicness. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 21:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Travis Scott (The Sims character)

Travis Scott (The Sims character) → The Sims 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about the subject of this redirect with nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Brotherhood of Shadow

Brotherhood of Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brothers of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Brotherhood of the Shadow → Mortal Kombat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving readers attempting to find information about this topic with no information at this target. However, there are mentions of the phrase "Brotherhood of Shadow" in multiple articles about subtopics of the target, but since it is mentioned in "multiple", it's not clear why any alternative target is preferred over another. Also, Brotherhood of Shadow is a {{R with history}} due to being subject to a WP:BLAR in 2007. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

that's an apparently recurring name for a cult that... honestly, the only real pattern i can see in it is being led by quan chi. it's also the name of an unrelated game series that doesn't seem to have an article. i'd say delete, as pretty much no one cares about this name, and i doubt the games will have their own articles. not even sure ed cared about the cult at the time, since killing reptile took priority

as for which spelling is right? the list of mortal kombat characters directly mentions and uses... two of them. in passing. and the cult isn't mentioned on quan chi's section at all. i suppose killing reptile took priority over deciding on a name as well cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

More-is-less paradox

More-is-less paradox → Monotonicity criterion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention at the target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Now mentioned at target – without a source yet, but one exists. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Less-is-more paradox

Less-is-more paradox → Monotonicity criterion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Target is another redirect; neither redirect is named at the second target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Named at target. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 19:34, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

I bypassed the double redirect which the nominated redirect had, and updated the target in the nomination. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Keep. "Less is more" is nearly synonymous with "more is less", and it's easy to misremember one as the other. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
I also found a source that describes both "more is less" and "less is more". jlwoodwa (talk) 23:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Iconoclasm in the United Kingdom during the George Floyd protests

Iconoclasm in the United Kingdom during the George Floyd protests → Actions against memorials in Great Britain during the George Floyd protests (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Even though that's what this article used to be called, the destruction of likenesses typically isn't called iconoclasm unless such attacks are religiously motivated. This redirect may leave curious readers who type "iconoclasm" into the search bar with the unsubstantiated impression that the attacks carried out against secular memorials (on behalf of secular causes like Black Lives Matter) may be religious in nature. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep Article was created June 12, 2020 and moved from this title June 13, 2020, so no strong argument to keep it for specifically historical reasons. On the other hand, the comparison to iconoclasm has been made repeatedly, e.g. UChicago divinity school article, Maxwell Museum of Anthropology issue, De Grutyer blog (my search). Overall, the usage exists and we aren't originating it, and I don't think it's actually incorrect - our article has it defined as "most frequently for religious or political reasons", and this is definitely a political reason. On the other hand, this exact phrase seems like an unlikely search term and I don't think there's a particularly strong benefit to having it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Iconoclasm can be for political reasons. We have an article titled French Revolution Iconoclasm, which would be better titled "Iconoclasm in the French Revolution" – in which case another example of political iconoclasm would appear when one types "iconoclasm" into the search bar. It's unfortunate that the "Actions against memorials..." article was moved from its original, more WP:CONCISE title. Ham II (talk) 08:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep both as a {{R from move}} and for being an accurate description of the article contents. Thryduulf (talk) 10:48, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Helstinky

Helstinky → Helsinki (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

this doesn't seem like a joke common enough to warrant a redirect (even after pyrocynical's cruelty squad video), and neither does "hellstinky". funny, but not exactly plausible cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete. The top hit for me on google is actually a ferret. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Multiply transitive

Multiply transitive → Mathieu group#Multiply transitive groups (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Multiply transitive group action appears to be the more general concept. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this is a clear case for changing the target. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Template:AFC infobox

Template:AFC infobox → Template:Aberdeen F.C. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The title of this redirect is extremely ambigous and should be deleted. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 15:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong delete seing as its a navbox, not an infobox Mach61 17:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Weak retarget to Template:AfC submission as a plausible target for new editors who are trying to submit their first article via WP:AFC and don't know the difference between the proposed retarget and an infobox. (I'm "weak" though since Template:AfC submission is not an infobox, meaning retargeting to Template:AfC submission may throw off seasoned editors.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Caine (video game character)

Caine (video game character) → Final Fight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

with all due respect, who? he's not mentioned in the target, and it doesn't seem like there are any other caines from video games that i should know about either, and this seems to be used as its own name more often than as an alternative spelling of "cain", so what to do? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

(video game character)

May (video game character) → Final Fight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Dave (video game character) → Final Fight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Drake (video game character) → Final Fight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Freddie (video game character) → Final Fight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Hugo (video game character) → Street Fighter III#Introduced in 2nd Impact (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

those are names. common ones, too. what happens if, say, pokémon has a may and drake (in the same games, no less), off has a hugo, fnaf has a freddy (yeah, wikipedia just clumps those two spellings together), and there are at least more daves than i can count with one finger? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

on second thought, why did i even nominate those, i could have just retargeted them myself like i did with makoto (video game character) 4 minutes before getting started on this. is this a good time for a speedy keep/retarget? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Turbo HD

Turbo HD → Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

vague term, apparently mostly used for cameras cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

should also mention hd remix, a seemingly vague term, which ssf2thdr seems to be the primary topic of by... a lot. not nominating it though cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Super Turbo

Super Turbo → Super Street Fighter II Turbo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

a vague term with no clear primary topic (or at least not one that has an article), and doesn't seem to be a common abbreviation for ssf2t outside of street fighter discussions cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

SSFII

SSFII → Super Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

super smash flash 2 is a game that also exists and has ssf2 as a redirect to it. leave as is (give or take a hatnote) since super Streets™ 2 is "a little more popular" than super smash flash 2, dabify, or retarget this to super smash flash 2 since it seems the acronym is more commonly used to refer to it? i'm kind of leaning towards the first option because of the roman numeral, but eh cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Turbo Edition

Turbo Edition → Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

was going to retarget to sf2 turbo, but then i remembered... other things have turbo editions as well. some motorola phones, racing game remasters, cars, etc. now i'm torn between deleting and dabifying cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Perfect victory

Perfect victory → Street Fighter II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

a term used for winning a round without being hit, used in pretty much every fighting game that doesn't call it "flawless" instead. surprisingly, though, there seems to be an actual primary topic for this term. more surprisngly, that primary topic seems to be light yagami. not sure if it should be retargeted to him or to fighting game (and adding a mention) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Topic not mentioned in any of the possible pages, and I don't think it would be particularly due weight to include it. Rusalkii (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete. While Light Yagami is the most common result in my searches, it doesn't rise to the level of primary topic. Looking for where it is mentioned on Wikipedia we get Kanzen Shouri Daiteioh (partial title match for the literal translation of the title), the middle of a long quote at Søren Kierkegaard#Journals, Samurai Deeper Kyo'#Episodes (title of episode 16), Sucker Punch (2011 film)#Plot, Darren Manning#International career, none of which are more than passing mentions, and titles of sources at Paul Collingwood, Sayo Hayakawa and Manchester United F.C. 9–0 Ipswich Town F.C.. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Virginia & truckee 11, reno

Virginia & truckee 11, reno → Virginia and Truckee 11 Reno (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely capitalization & punctuation combination Rusalkii (talk) 05:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

delete. the capitalization is fine, who cares, but i have no idea what that comma is doing there cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep since it's not ambiguous, but it is a bit unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep per Steel. It's unlikely but not completely implausible for this to be copied from a construction like "the virginia & truckee 11, reno, was...". Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Girl Toad

Girl Toad → List of Mario franchise characters#Toadette (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target. This term is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia either. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep as plausible {{R from incorrect name}}. Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
"Girl Toad" is more likely to refer to a female toad than a fictional Mario character. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
"Girl" is an anthropomorphic word, so not likely. Steel1943 (talk) 20:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
No more likely to refer to the Mario franchise Toads than real toads. Mia Mahey (talk) 21:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
The "Toad" characters in the Mario franchise are anthropomorphic; actual toads are not. Steel1943 (talk) 21:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep: reasonable search term. C F A 💬 20:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
The only mentions of "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia are those related to this discussion, suggesting that this is not a reasonable search term. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:03, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
That doesn't really matter. It could still be a reasonable search term even if it isn't mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Someone could type "Girl Toad" into the search bar. It has received 700 page views throughout its history, suggesting it has been used at least a few times. Regardless, redirects are cheap. No reason this should be deleted. C F A 💬 23:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Unless a mention on the target can be added with a reliable source, this redirect should be deleted, as there is currently no information about "Girl Toad" on Wikipedia. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
It is still a reasonable search term, whether or not it is mentioned in the target article. C F A 💬 23:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Please provide a reliable source that uses "Girl Toad" referring to Toadette. Otherwise, this redirect is WP:OR and should be deleted. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Sure, it may be synthesis to a certain extent, but redirects are not required to be "correct" or neutral. If you google "girl toad", the first result is Toadette, indicating it is the correct target and a plausible search term. C F A 💬 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
The Google Search results for "girl toad" are not from reliable sources. Half of them are unrelated to Toadette. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
I didn't say they were, but it still shows that it is a plausible search term. If you really think this is an issue, I would also support a disambiguation page with Toadette and Toad (frog). C F A 💬 23:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

the redirect seems vague. there are other distinctly female toads, mostly in the rpgs. it's like if "female human" redirected to hillary clinton or something. for now, i'd say return to red until zess t. is covered cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Weak keep I think it's plausible search term for those who forgot the name Toadette. The title is capitalized (WP:DIFFCAPS), indicating a proper noun, and "girl" is an anthromorphic term. Wikipedia has no article on any fictional female toads. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment Google results seems split about 50/50 between various real-life female frogs and Toadette. We also don't have any content of female toads in particular, the cloests is Frog#Reproduction. Rusalkii (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Toad Town

Toad Town → Mario (franchise) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target. Mia Mahey (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep: appears to be used frequently and is pointed to the appropriate target. C F A 💬 20:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirecting terms to articles where the term is not mentioned is confusing to readers. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

to my knowledge, it only really ever pops up with this exact name in the rpgs (and the movie), and seems more closely associated with paper mario than mario & luigi. not sure if that warrants keeping, but i'll go with an overwhelmingly strong eh cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

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MAGA tourist

MAGA tourist → January 6 United States Capitol attack#Participants and response (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between this specific phrase and the target unclear. Though MAGA is a rather known phrase, the use of the phrasing of the redirect on third party engines doesn't return results for "MAGA", but rather returns results for tourism in cities named "Maga". Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep. This term is used to help categorize people involved in the events of January 6, 2021 at the U.S. Capitol. For example, see Lucas, Ryan. “Where the Jan. 6 insurrection investigation stands, one year later”, NPR (6 Jan 2022): “In the past year, the FBI and the public have learned a lot about who the rioters were and what motivated them, and they fall into three general categories. The first are the so-called MAGA tourists. These are Trump supporters who entered the Capitol but didn't engage in violence or destroy property.” If there are other significant uses of this term, then I’d recommend a disambiguation page. Anythingyouwant (talk) 08:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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Theoretical high pixel count images

Yottapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Yottapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Zettapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Zettapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Exapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Exapixel → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Petapixel image → Gigapixel image (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target, and contents of the gigapixel article doesn't contain any technical relevance that would be applicable to peta-, exa-, zetta-, or yottapixel images. The size difference between a gigapixel image and a yottapixel image is huge - printed at 300dpi (standard magazine quality print), a gigapixel image would be about the size of a kingsize bed, while a yottapixel image would have about the same surface area as Neptune, and (if stored at 24bits/pixel) would require 6000x the storage capacity of all of AWS to store it as a png.

Note: Petapixel was recently listed at RFD and deleted, but that had different circumstances because of the existence of the unrelated article PetaPixel. BugGhost 🦗👻 15:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

These seem like plausible search terms; someone may be curious to see if these higher designations exist or are used for anything. jp×g 🗯️ 00:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep - I still feel the same way I felt about the previous RfD. Basically, if some sci-fi or otherwise speculative writer mentions an absurdly large SI-prefix referring to the size of an image, then the reader should be able to look up the concept of "absurdly large image" on wikipedia, even if the exact level of "absurdly large" is not specifically mentioned. Fieari (talk) 00:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. I find Fieari's argument convincing. Thryduulf (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Delete Per WP:PANDORA and the fact that these aren't common things to exist right now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
I implore you to read lunamann's essay. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 16:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:PANDORA is misleading nonsense that contradicts WP:OTHERSTUFF and causes far more harm than the redirects it advocates deleting. How common these images are is irrelevant - what matters is that people who want to read about them can find the relevant article. Thryduulf (talk) 20:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

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Delete (but keep Petapixel) with a potential exception for Petapixel image if well-sourced information about petapixel (e.g. 40M x 25M) images in particular can be found anywhere within the mainspace. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Tracel

Tracel → Parenteral nutrition#minerals (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Useless redirect. The redirect points to a non-existent paragraph. That could be corrected. However, the target string 'tracel' is nowhere found on the page, and there is no obvious reference to a drug trade name. Recommend Deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Zelda Games in Development

Zelda Games in Development → The Legend of Zelda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No such list at the target. In addition, the existence of the redirect could potentially lead readers to believe that at least one Zelda game is in development at all times, which cannot be guaranteed to be true. Steel1943 (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Cock (slang)

Cock (slang) → Dick (slang) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This should be deleted. An {{r from synonym}} in this instance is misleading, as the target is a WP:WORDISSUBJECT article that doesn’t mention this title at all, and cock has a separate etymology from "dick". I do not think a retarget to penis is desirable; "cock" may well be a notable word itself. Mach61 00:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Create a Cock (slang) article. This seems to be common sense, as it is fairly universally known, and like Dick (slang), has a number of related senses that can be explored. The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English alone has five full pages on it. I have drafted a few lines on the page. BD2412 T 02:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC) BD2412 T 02:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Windproof umbrella

Windproof umbrella → Umbrella (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "windproof" is mentioned nowhere in the target article. That, and without context, such a topic seems difficult to define since the target is meant to protect the user from various elements, including wind ... which means the umbrella itself isn't windproof ... it just blocks wind ... and even then, without proper harnesses, it may fly away. Steel1943 (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Windproof umbrellas are designed to resist being destroyed by high winds. Refine to Umbrella#Modern use, which describes some of those efforts. - Eureka Lott 21:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep A well-known and heavily used form of umbrella. If there is no information on it in the article, that's a gross omission that should be fixed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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