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For keeping a long-term lid on music articles to stop erroneous additions, particularly the difficult Djent. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 14:06, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you!--¿3family6 contribs 18:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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Christian Music Zine and other sites

If you want to use Christian Music Zine, New Release Tuesday or Indie Vision Music, heck even Jesus Freak Hideout you need to go to here and discuss the matter with this editor, who seems to know nothing about the Christian Music genre.HotHat (talk) 02:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Websites

I have started the discussion, so lets talk if you want.HotHat (talk) 07:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Got the websites linked to the editorial team, and gave a brief synopsis on the rating methodologies used by each website.HotHat (talk) 05:04, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks. Usually I just use the edit source option. That edit summary was done last night when I was quite tired, so it's a bit exaggerated. I've been trying to use the editor to identify problems, as the editor does look promising.--¿3family6 contribs 20:30, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Extol (album)

I'm just notifying you that your DYK nomination has an issue. 12:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Done

I went ahead and got it done with Music review sources, if you would like to edit go ahead and be my guest.HotHat (talk) 07:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Nice! If you don't mind, I'll move the self-published sources to their own source, plus merge in some book sources. I'm at work today, so I'm not sure how long some of this will take.--¿3family6 contribs 12:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Great job, I put in the ratings systems.HotHat (talk) 03:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
By the way, if you want some more Extol reviews go to Cornerstone link that is part of the new resource.HotHat (talk) 04:35, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks!--¿3family6 contribs 12:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Got it fixed.HotHat (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Extol (album)

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

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3family6, could you please stop by and clarify which of the hooks you approved, or if it was both, then clarify that, and then restate your approval tick? I just looked at it for possible promotion to a prep area, but couldn't tell which one "the hook" was that you were approving. Many thanks, and sorry to bother you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:38, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Suggestions

I have got another started New Publications.HotHat (talk) 03:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

By the way, we need to add RELEVANT to the Christian Sources page.HotHat (talk) 06:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Very, very nice! Excellent work!--¿3family6 contribs 12:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
So, who wants to add them to the list? I went and looked thru Metacritic sources and found a treasure trove again.HotHat (talk) 16:14, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Let's wait for a different editor to take a look. The two of us have worked pretty close together on finding sources, I don't want issues with collusion.--¿3family6 contribs 22:37, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I am done adding publications for now.HotHat (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I will only wait utill Tuesday at the latest, utill I start updating the article.HotHat (talk) 22:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I went thru the list and put the Editorial Team link next to those some editors may look as being suspect. I think we are fine to progress with most of them, but if you want to wait, we can because "discreation is the best part of valor".HotHat (talk) 00:41, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
I would suggest waiting, though the papers can probably go through, as they are all highly reputable.--¿3family6 contribs 00:42, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Artwork for Albums Required

Please consider uploading the album artwork for [The Good Fight (Bizzle Album)|The Good Fight] & Tough, Love & Parables (the page title is incorrect). Other than this consider working on articles for HOG MOB artist Sevin if possible as well as rappers Suzy Rock, Thi'sl & Swoope. They should all be well known figures in Christian Hip Hop worldwide.

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Policy development

You are more than welcome to comment on Ground rules.HotHat (talk) 07:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Just tell me, when you want to move forward with updating the article.HotHat (talk) 07:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this in regard to the proposed source list additions, or the policy update? No one has challenged the sources, so I would go ahead and add them. With the policy proposal, I don't think anything really needs to be done, as the proposal simply provides specific examples under the basic guidelines.--¿3family6 contribs 20:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about is adding them to this list, but if you want me to do it just ask.HotHat (talk) 03:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Reach Records

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

New article

I think you might be interest in The Same Love.HotHat (talk) 05:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Extol

Their new album was reviewed in Metal Hammer August edition on the newsstands, if you want to go and get the review out of the magazine. I have to warn you that they gave it a 6 out of ten.HotHat (talk) 05:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see if I can get it somehow. I don't care what review they gave it, that's their business.--¿3family6 contribs 13:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
If you can't get it let me know then I will have to drive a ways to read the review again, plus if I am not mistaken they reviewed the new August Burns Red album and rated it an 8 in the same issue.HotHat (talk) 21:46, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
By the way, Outburn magazine will be having reviews of Extol and Rescue & Restore in their new August/September issue No. 70, which should be on the newsstands in a week or two. Oh, I was the one that created their magazine article on Wikipedia, which I am utterly amazed how a magazine with noted writers did not have an article on here 14 years after their founding, but I fixed that for good. You have a great day.HotHat (talk) 21:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't think I'm going to sink the money into getting just one edition for the Extol review. I'm not that devoted to Wikipedia I'm afraid. Don't feel like you need to go through all that just for me, but if you really want to get that review into the Extol article, go ahead. By the way, you are amazing at getting source material. How do you do it?--¿3family6 contribs 23:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I have subscriptions to Alternative Press really cheap, Q and Mojo somewhat affordable/expensive. I go to a local bookstore, where they carry all the other music magazines. I take my computer to the store and edit away. I just did not have it when I went recently. But, I will be going back in a couple days, so I will get that review on here at that time. See, FYE carries some, Barnes & Noble carries even more, and greater than those is Books-a-Million. I will be getting in the not to distant future subscriptions to Outburn, Revolver, and Decibel, but don't hold me to it right now, which I know you won't. When I can afford it I will get Metal Hammer (9/10), Classic Rock (9/10 red cubes) like Cross Rhythms, Classic Pop (five spins/cd's) like Fact and CBN, Uncut (9/10), Kerrang! (five stars) really expensive, Rock Sound, and maybe NME really expensive, but not in any particular order. I also get Magnet now. Substream does not give ratings nor does Relix they only give a review like the The New York Times. I now know more about music publications than probably 90 percent of editors that deal with music articles on Wikipedia.HotHat (talk) 03:23, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
See if you go to Magazine Price Search you can see what I PAID for my four year subscription to AltPress, just mere change.HotHat (talk) 03:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
If you need any reviews just ask, and I will tell you if I can get them. I don't pay newsstand prices at all! My standard is if I get two or three at the newsstand the next must be via subscription, or else I will not get anymore.HotHat (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
I actually have that issue if you want me to scan in the pages for both reviews and putting them somewhere like flikr? It's no issue. Jonjonjohny (talk) 08:51, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
That would be nice, but see how 3family6 wants you to do it for him/her.HotHat (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

@Jonjonjohny: That's a great idea! @HotHat: For the record, I'm a guy :)--¿3family6 contribs 16:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Rescue and Restore and it's citation,[1] and Extol and it's citation.[2] Jonjonjohny (talk) 09:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say excellent job, and thank you for the contributions.HotHat (talk) 01:40, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
I put your link in the url in the citation, so that people can verify the information with respect to Rescue & Restore.HotHat (talk) 03:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

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Well, if I took the apt amount of time to read these policies and guidelines on Infoboxes, Tables and Text, then I may not have included breaking marks in them because it is not kosher to users/editors with access issues. So, I am deeply and regrettably sorry for the mistakes that I have perpetuated on these people and this encyclopedia. This is mostly in reference to Jesus Freak Hideout and New Release Tuesday in critical reception sections. Both are to be utilized, but not with a break, and both ratings must be reported. May God forgive me!HotHat (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I think we are going to have to go back to using two box sections for Jesus Freak Hideout and New Release Tuesday, and less frequently for Christian Music Zine and The Phantom Tollbooth. This is all that I can come up with because if we don't use both we are giving an WP:UNDUE precedence to one over the other, and that is clearly not allowed.HotHat (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Hear Ye Him reviews

As far as i'm concerned Wade-O-Radio and StupidDope are non notable review sites they are nowhere to be found on the reliable source page you keep linking and that MTV Hive source is not really even a review. In the next coming days i'm sure more notable reviews will be available so lets just hold off for now. Koala15 (talk) 21:35, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You already broke the 3 revert rule so please hold off on it. Koala15 (talk) 21:37, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to how many reverts that I'd made. My latest edit was to preserve the formatting and reference related edits that I'd made when I restored the reviews. As to the sources - Wade-O Radio and DaSouth are both on the Christian music source list (which I provided a link to in one of my edit summaries). I understand that you might not know about these sources, as they are part of the Christian scene and not as well known, but as No Malice has embraced Christianity and is now a part of the Christian hip hop scene, these sources are useful. And yes, StupidDope has not yet been listed on reliable source list, but that list is not exhaustive. StupidDope has a full editorial team, is part of Complexs online media network, and several years ago was listed on XXL's top 100 best hip hop sites (sorry, I don't have the link readily available), so I don't see why it would be unreliable (keeping in mind here that reliability and notability are different things). As for the MTV source, critical reception extends beyond just "reviews" (though why you don't consider that source a review, I don't know).--¿3family6 contribs 21:53, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Well usually we prefer using reviews from sites that have Wikipedia articles if not sites that are notable enough. I'm not really familiar with Christian hip hop web sites so i don't really know, but considering the album was just released today i think we will be getting more reviews from notable sites in the coming days. Koala15 (talk) 22:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand that, here's my thoughts: Wade-O Radio probably will end up being displaced by other reviews, so I guess that one could be left out. DaSouth.com is the most popular CHH site apart from Rapzilla, so that one should definitely get a mention. If several Christian sources emerge (Rapzilla almost certainly will, and maybe Christianity Today), then it might need to get trimmed. MTV Hive should stay, as even if it isn't quite a review (though again, I don't see why not), MTV is a massive organization who controls a great deal of cultural clout. I'll leave StupidDope to your discretion, though from my admittedly very limited experience it is a highly popular site.--¿3family6 contribs 22:13, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Add the MTV one back since that one is the most notable. Koala15 (talk) 22:51, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if this changes things or not, but Paul Martinez, the DaSouth.com reviewer, also writes for Hip Hop DX (example).--¿3family6 contribs 15:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hear Ye Him singles

Those songs are not singles, to make them singles they would have had to been released to iTunes or Amazon.com which none of them were so please stop adding them. Koala15 (talk) 18:37, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Why would they have to go on one of those sites to be considered singles, especially since most had official cover art and could be downloaded? Also, the sources call them singles.--¿3family6 contribs 18:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
They have to be released to retail to be considered singles. Koala15 (talk) 19:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Can you show me a link to that guideline? I've checked the album and singles infobox docs, and both WP:SONG and WP:ALBUM, and can't find anything. The single article doesn't really deal with songs released for free online, and neither does promotional recordings, which is also not very well sourced. I could see how songs released online for streaming could qualify as promos, but "June" was made available for actual download. As far as a I can see on Wikipedia, a guideline was never developed for how to treat official free downloads or streaming, and thus media treatment should be the fall-back.--¿3family6 contribs 20:01, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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I apologize, I wasn't aware that my actions could be seen as edit warring. I see how the reverts I performed yesterday would roll over into today. As I was providing sources for my content which was challenged, I thought that the burden would lie on other editors to prove that the sources are unreliable/not applicable. I will refrain from editing for now. Please see my above discussion with User:Koala15 for my rationale.--¿3family6 contribs 20:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Do not get me wrong, I agreed with you when it came to the critical reception changes as long as the sites were in the WP:CM/S page. However, for a song to be considered a single it must receive a retail sale release to iTunes/Amazon or have a radio rotation add-date. Just being premiered/leaked online does not make a song a single in the slightest. Even if it has a cover and a music video, if no official release as a single took place we cannot consider it one. Not to mention a few of the sources you cited were not even reliable sources per WP:ALBUMS/Sources. There have been countless discussions at WP:ALBUM about what is and is not a single, checking the archives should turn up something. STATic message me! 21:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Setting aside the reliability issue (I made sure that the sources I used meet Wikipedia guidelines), I think that guidelines must be developed to specify just what qualifies as a single for infobox listing, so other editors don't get into disputes like this one. Specifically, I think that we need guidelines for how to treat free downloads and streamed songs.--¿3family6 contribs 22:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
For the record, HipHopWired, 2DopeBoyz and Underthegunreview are all definitely not reliable sources and none of the sources you used outside of Pitchfork Media and Complex are listed on the sources page of WP:ALBUM. On the real issue, it is just common knowledge by editors of music articles and there have been quite a few discussions on what is considered a single. If you wanna start a thread at the WikiProject and have someone else tell you the same thing go ahead. Free downloads and streamed songs are just that, nothing special and definitely not singles. Maybe you could consider them promotional singles, but even those are not appropriate to list in the infobox. STATic message me! 23:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Now that the immediate conflict is resolved, I'll take my time on bringing up the source issue and the singles guidelines up for discussion. I apologize to you, @STATicVerseatide: and also to @Koala15:, for being so contrary in the consensus process. I've just come back from a week's vacation and dealing with a head cold, so I'm not in the best mood. Once I'm not so tired and sick, I'll start a discussion to develop a guideline.--¿3family6 contribs 23:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:38, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Inland

Listen here!HotHat (talk) 04:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll take a listen.--¿3family6 contribs 12:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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The Original Barnstar
Enjoyed reading your new article Mongol conquest of Western Xia. Thanks for your contribution! Zanhe (talk) 04:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!--¿3family6 contribs 13:31, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletions

Have your say?HotHat (talk) 13:12, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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We Live As Kings

Just wanted to let you know, you forgot about hip hop group W.L.A.K. because they are notable due to these charts.HotHat (talk) 05:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I didn't forget, I just have only so much time. Right now, I am the only person creating new Christian hip hop artist and album pages, as far as I can tell. I'm thinking about trying to start a temporary CHH task force. The least I can do is create a list of articles needing to be created.--¿3family6 contribs 12:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry, I should have said "you might have forgot".04:24, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

CCM Magazine

Well, I just want to inform you that the publication is going to try to go back to a printed version, and now they are back to doing PDF's, so go look at Overcomer, for the way to site them now. This makes me a little bit angry and somewhat perplexed.HotHat (talk) 04:31, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for September 5

Did you know?

You can search for images directly in VisualEditor. Click the media icon, which looks like this:

Then type a few keywords into the search box. VisualEditor will search Commons for images or other files whose titles or descriptions contain those words, and will display thumbnail pictures of them for your review. Click one time on the image you want to insert in the article.

For more details, read VisualEditor's user guide.

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013

Did you know?

You can edit a page's categories in VisualEditor. Click the "Page settings" button (next to Cancel/Save) in the toolbar to open the category tool. It will show you a list of the current categories for that page.

To add a category, type the name of the category you want to add in the search field. To remove an existing category, click on the category in the list and then, in the dialog that opens, click on the "Remove" icon (trash can). "Options" will allow you to set a default sorting key.

For more details, read VisualEditor's user guide.

VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl+1 up to Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

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