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After reading your recent statement at WikiProject Football talk page, I just wanted to let you know that I am still here at Wikipedia, though on a limited basis as I mostly just revert vandalism and update French football news and player statistics. If you need any assistance with the creating of some articles within French football, just give me a shout. Also, congrats on Niort becoming professional again. Maybe in two to three years, the club can reach Ligue 1. — JS^{Rant Away} 01:16, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Camelford F.C.

Hi, I have deprod'd Camelford F.C. as potentially controversial given the club meets the apparently usual standard of having played in a English Step 6 league. I understand you disagree with that standard, but given that it was referred to as arguments in multiple AFD only recently, let's take this to WP:AFD for community discussion rather than through PROD if you believe it should be deleted. KTC (talk) 20:04, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of John Andrews (footballer born 1978)

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DYK for John Andrews (footballer born 1978)

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Sam Warhurst

Thanks for the note - I'll see what I can add although it might not be for a day or two. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 04:19, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I've added a little to the article. Much of the details of his career in Southampton already in the article (sourced from "Nelson FC in the Football League") is almost word-for-word what is said in his bio in "The Alphabet of the Saints", so I guess one book was the source for the other. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:03, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mortimer Grimshaw

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Arsène Wenger

Hello BigDom, given that you have had a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Arsène Wenger/archive2, would you say that this is now ready for a crack at FAC or would it still need much fine tuning? Lemonade51 (talk) 15:26, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 July newsletter

We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees Cwmhiraeth (submissions) as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article Bivalvia, and Pool B sees Grapple X (submissions) in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees Muboshgu (submissions) in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's Ruby2010 (submissions) follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film Pride & Prejudice. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

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Victor Demba Bindia

Hi there. Seeing this edit, I'm curious: Do you have a source that Senegal replaced Victor Demba Bindia after his injury? My Norwegian sources tells me that he is still in the Olympic squad. :p Mentoz86 (talk) 14:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I updated the whole template for the Senegal Olympic team because it didn't match with the squad shown on the London 2012 website. As you can see, Bindia isn't on there either so I guess he must have been replaced (although I couldn't say who by). Cheers, BigDom 16:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, okei. Thanks for the reply! Mentoz86 (talk) 13:34, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Malkin Tower

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Malkin Tower

Just wanted to say what a pleasant relief it is to work with someone who actually knows what they're doing. Malleus Fatuorum 13:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, looking forward to working with you as well. BigDom (talk) 14:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind if we added Trappedinburnley to the DYK nomination? Malleus Fatuorum 18:12, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

PS. I have a nagging feeling that we may have fallen out over something or other in the past, but I'm dreadful with names even in real life. Malleus Fatuorum 18:14, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Course not, just had a look at what he added, the article's starting to look really good now. The only time I can think of that we've crossed paths is when you helped me out when I had 1920–21 Burnley F.C. season at its unsuccessful FAC. Can't remember any fall out though. BigDom (talk) 21:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I was thinking of you, not him. Anyway, it's all looking good. I'm still astounded by what we've managed to do with this article. Malleus Fatuorum 22:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I neglected to check the article history before I removed all of the publisher locations from the Bibliography. I don't find them at all useful and they're not required even at FA, but if you'd prefer to restore them I won't argue. Malleus Fatuorum 22:13, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not bothered about them either, like you say they don't add anything. BigDom (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been out all day and haven't really looked at the GA review yet (too busy arguing the toss on the Moors murders talk page since I got back), but there doesn't seem to be anything too serious there? Malleus Fatuorum 22:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah it all looks fairly minor, shifting commas and things like that. Think I'm going to go off the computer now but will sort out any remaining changes in the morning if need be. BigDom (talk) 22:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Footy

I see you’ve been quite active on the GA front. Congrats on Arthur Bell (footballer) and the others I’ve just noticed. I have a couple of footy ideas I’d like to run past you:

• I’ve noticed a number of old Burnley player bios that are orphans and for a while I’ve been wondering about creating some Burnley players of the (insert a decade) templates. I figure these would tie-in with your Burnley seasons articles.
• Have you ever thought of creating a Burnley Hospital Cup article? I remember a news story from a few years ago that claimed it was the oldest amateur football competition in the world. I can find almost nothing online, so that’s about as far as I ever got with it.

--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

So you finally found my page! Thanks, it's always enjoyable writing about old Burnley players but I don't know how Bell managed to get a GA when I never bothered for many others. That first point is an interesting idea, never seen it done before but it would help to get rid of the orphan problem. I always intended to create better articles for all the Burnley players and seasons, but lost my Clarets Chronicles book before I got round to it unfortunately. On the second point, I've never considered it but I have also heard that it's the oldest football competition so maybe it will be one of my next projects if I can find enough to write an article. I reckon there must be loads in old newspaper archives. BigDom (talk) 22:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Clarke Carlisle

Was going to drop you a message on how well researched and balanced the article is; once he's retired I think a FA push would certainly be possible. Once he's fully match fit and into the swing of things I don't see why he won't be up there as a top centre-half at this level. Well, that's providing his media and political commitments don't prove a hindrance (not that they should, being a footballer it's not as if he's short of spare time). Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 18:10, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 August newsletter

The final is upon us! We are down to our final 8. A massive 573 was our lowest qualifying score; this is higher than the 150 points needed last year and the 430 needed in 2010. Even in 2009, when points were acquired for mainspace edit count in addition to audited content, 417 points secured a place. That leaves this year's WikiCup, by one measure at least, our most competitive ever. Our finalists, ordered by round 4 score, are:

1. Grapple X (submissions) once again finishes the round in first place, leading Pool B. Grapple X writes articles about television, and especially The X-Files and Millenium, with good articles making up the bulk of the score.
2. Miyagawa (submissions) led Pool A this round. Fourth-place finalist last year, Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, and has reached the final primarily off the back of his massive number of did you knows.
3. Ruby2010 (submissions) was second in Pool B. Ruby2010 writes primarily on television and film, and scores primarily from good articles.
4. Casliber (submissions) finished third in Pool B. Casliber is something of a WikiCup veteran, having finished sixth in 2011 and fourth in 2010. Casliber writes on the natural sciences, including ornithology, botany and astronomy. Over half of Casliber's points this round were bonus points from the high-importance articles he has worked on.
5. Cwmhiraeth (submissions) came second in Pool A. Also writing on biology, especially marine biology, Cwmhiraeth received 390 points for one featured article (Bivalvia) and one good article (pelican), topping up with a large number of did you knows.
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Using an outdate infobox template

You are using outdate parameters in the {{Infobox football biography}} template. For example, dateofbirth is now birth_date and cityofbirth is now birth_place. Could you please start using the updated parameters. Bgwhite (talk) 07:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, what's the difference? I hadn't realised they changed because the template still works but if it's better to use the new ones then I will. Also, good work adding all the persondata (although I still don't really see why it's needed.) Cheers, BigDom (talk) 08:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Difference is the old parameters will eventually be removed. This will cause editors/bots to go thru and fix things up. There were several different variations of the birth parameter and "they" want to get it down to one. In theory, the Wikidata project will really force the issue. Persondata is best used in articles with no infoboxes. It allows computers (aka DBpedia)) to parse things easily. Wikidata may cause the demise of persondata. WikiData is supposed to go live around the first of the year. On thing about Wikipedia you can count on, the rules change. Could be worse, my wife makes up the rules for me as she goes along, usually to my detriment. Bgwhite (talk) 08:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah OK, thanks for letting me know about the parameters and clearing up about Persondata. I've heard of this new WikiData but it seems like it's more for computers and programmers to show off than to actually make editing easier for anyone. True about the rule changes, I can never keep up – just keep doing what I always do and let the change happen around me. And well, that's what a wife's for! BigDom (talk) 08:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Malkin Tower

Orlady (talk) 00:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

More than 4000 page views in one day isn't at all bad,[1] and what's become apparent is that there are loads of peripheral articles that aren't up to snuff, such as the Honour of Clitheroe and manorial court; there's loads for Trappedinburnley still to do. :-) Even Pendle Forest itself might deserve an article. Malleus Fatuorum 08:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Not too bad at all, probably one of my highest ever. Ha yes they're definitely his kind of article. If there's any more articles you want to work on like Forest of Pendle, I'll try and help out again although in about three weeks I will be going back to Sheffield and won't be on Wikipedia anywhere near as much. BigDom (talk) 08:23, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I spent two years working in Sheffield, driving through the Woodhead Pass from Manchester every day it wasn't blocked by snow. Never again. I think we can rest on our laurels with Malkin Tower; I always suspected an article could be made of it, but never did I imagine anything like what the three of us have managed to achieve. Extraordinary really. Malleus Fatuorum 09:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I always take the Snake Pass when it's open, but I remember it once took me about 5 hours to get back when it was snowing and it was closed. I never thought we'd do such a good job on Malkin Tower either, like you say it's extraordinary when you think about it. BigDom (talk) 09:56, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah ha! I’d not been watching this page! I actually dropped in to talk about footy (will follow). I’d like to get the honour of Clitheroe article up to GA, just been learning (or trying anyway) to be a better editor before I revisited it. The only problem being that I wasn’t really the talent there, just wiki-babysitting a Cambridge don with an interest in Bowland. I’ve had a Forest of Blackburnshire (the administrative grouping of the forests of Pendle, Rossendale and Trawden) article on my ‘to do’ list for quite a while. I’ve also got 2 stalled projects on the go Whalley (ancient parish) and List of Scheduled Monuments in Lancashire, if you or anyone you know might want to get involved. Although I have an interest in local history my real mission here is an experiment in promoting Burnley through improved WP coverage. I only really got involved with these because nobody else seemed to be. One of these days I might have to visit the library, being involved with this has shown me how limiting online only sources can be!--Trappedinburnley (talk) 19:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever considered getting Burnley to GA? Are you thinking of the town or the football club? Malleus Fatuorum 23:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I know you're asking Trappedinburnley, but I definitely won't be trying to get the football club to GA any time soon, too many idiots edit that page and it wouldn't be worth the hassle. BigDom (talk) 13:22, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay I ran into a problem with a sock puppet and a church. I’ve thought about getting Burnley to GA, it would seem to be the logical thing. I’d be happy doing the work to get it there, but much like Dom, I don’t want to be stuck with defending it from vandals, amateurs and the ill informed. It seems to me that popular articles are not particularly suited to being good ones. How have you found looking after Manchester or the Trafford stuff? Queen Street Mill, Gawthorpe Hall or Towneley Park might be better suited?--Trappedinburnley (talk) 18:46, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Haven't found it much of a problem to be honest, and there's no reason why Burnley should be especially difficult in that regard either. I'll help with Burnley if you like, and perhaps BigDom will as well, so you won't be on your lonesome. Malleus Fatuorum 19:11, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd probably help out although I don't have many sources that could be used so more trips to the library might be in order! BigDom (talk) 19:15, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, you're a step ahead of me, as I have no sources that could help out. Malleus Fatuorum 19:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Haha, touché. BigDom (talk) 19:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Despite any misgivings I might have, I’d be a mug to say no really, wouldn’t I? I’ll apologise now for the poor quality of much of my previous work! I do own a copy of “Burnley “ by John Lowe (1985) but it’s a bit hit and miss. Some online sources I’ve previously come across: Thomas Dunham Whitaker, An History of the Original Parish of Whalley, and Honor of Clitheroe (1818); William Farrer, The Court Rolls of the Honor of Clitheroe in the County of Lancaster Vol 2 (1897); Farrer and Brownbill The Victoria History of the County of Lancaster Vol 6 (1911) (I prefer it to British History Online); The place-names of Lancashire (Ekwall); Lancashire Historic Town Survey - Burnley (LCC) (2005). And of course Roger Frost’s Peek in to the past column in the Burnley Express.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 20:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Do have a copy of Hall's Short History of Burnley? That's used pretty extensively in the History section, and I'm dubious that everything comes from page 40 of that book. Malleus Fatuorum 20:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

No, and as the 1st ref seems to be from P6 [2] your gonna be right. It shouldn't be that hard to find a copy, it seems to still be available.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 21:13, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, we'll have to sort that out later then. One thing you might like to start looking at straight away is reducing the number of images, and placing those that are relevant in an appropriate section. Malleus Fatuorum 21:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

And getting rid of all those inline external links and the list of every nightclub in Burnley. BigDom (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

... in short, there's a bloody great scythe required. Malleus Fatuorum 21:25, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I've never been comfortable with the list of retailers either - do you think they should be binned altogether or limited to ones I can find a source for maybe?--Trappedinburnley (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Bin them, unless they're major employers. Malleus Fatuorum 21:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Moved this conversation on a little on my talkpage (it might as well get used for something). I'm off for a week of sunshine in the Med, but it would be great if you have time to get involved!--Trappedinburnley (talk) 22:01, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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