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Yeah, I bet you'd lose all that work but I bet a bot could do something as far as categorization on Commons. I have done a fair amount of cleanup in Commons:Category:Registered Historic Places in Illinois, though there is a ton to do, mostly because I was sloppy when I first started over there. But eventually each place will have its own category, which is in the broader city category etc. So it wouldn't be a total disaster. And you can probably still categorize the image pages here for images that come from commons. For instance, this image Image:Belvidere Il Pettit Chapel15.jpg is hosted on Commons but it has a page here, if you click on it in the article, even though the image is on Commons. Know what I am saying? IvoShandor 11:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


Roger that. Thanks for the notification. IvoShandor 15:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yes, and blessed be the watchlist for I noticed all of your changes. : )IvoShandor 15:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image question

Hmm... not sure about that. I have seen it happening before, but never really read about it being right or wrong. Not sure where you can ask for that, maybe at the Village pump? -- ReyBrujo 18:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Tornadoes

Thanks for the assessment.--Eva bd 14:15, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


Thanks letting me know about Category:Images of Chicago, Illinois. I guess in response I should add that you should add the following to the talk page:

{{WikiProject Illinois}} {{ChicagoWikiProject}} TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't think I have set up the category yet. I will get to it. You can tag images though. We had about 500 articles tagged with {{ChicagoWikiProject}} before we became an official enough project to have any categories. When the categories were created they were already populated. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


It's not a copyright violation. Check the template - it's public domain. Yes, it is a cut and paste, but virtually all the military articles have started out this way. Info came from an Air Force (.mil) site--Nobunaga24 01:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Thanks Kranar, I guess you know what I am interested in at this point. : ) I will take a look when I get a shot. IvoShandor 05:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the luck

And that's exactly why I brought it up before anyone else could. Thanks for the support. IvoShandor 06:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Stephen S. Chang

I reverted your edit on Stephen S. Chang. He lived in Illinois while earning his doctorate from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign in the early 1950s. Please read the article and the category. Chris 01:46, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Chang live in either Urbana or Champaign, Illinois from around 1946 to when he earned his PhD in 1952. Anyone going to graduate school in a particular state would have to be consider a resident there in order to receive in-state tuition. Chris 01:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


I am not in the Land of Lincoln, but I am from there, thus the screwup. I have changed it as you suggested. Thanks. Mark Vaoverland 02:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

A bit on images

I don't know where you are as far as Illinois images or how much you have learned since I last talked to you about it, as I am far from an image expert (though I do have some knowledge round these parts). But I was browsing Category:Frank Lloyd Wright buildings (which I have recently added a lot to) and I noticed that of the 24 images categorized there that many were hosted on commons, they appear as any other image does that is uploaded to En only. Just thought you might want to know. Oh, and thanks for defending me at that circus over at RfA. IvoShandor 16:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

WP:WPChi Top importance votes

You did not get your votes in at WP:CHIASSESS. Do you want to be considered before the next promotion? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot and WP:Chicago

Hi, Kranar! I haven't yet figured out how to regexp the banner shells, so I don't know how to add the project into them. Since I helped create the {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, it's on my mind and I'm working on it. Sorry for that! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That's crappy

Yeah, that is too bad. You know where that information would belong, unless the building itself gets an article (its notability is borderline imo but I think an effective argument could be made for its inclusion) would be the Freeport article, under a Cityscape section, description of the downtown is perfect for that and if someone has info on Springfield that could fill out that section there as well.

The offline release version project I am only passingly familiar with but I will look into it, thanks for the link. I am getting to the Rockford discussion now too. IvoShandor 11:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

So is this but . . .

Thanks for your support and defense in my recent, unsuccessful RfA. It's much appreciated. IvoShandor 15:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey hey

Sounds good about the offline release stuff, I have several articles that will probably be up to GA soon, some FLW stuff some other historic places stuff, maybe some architects, John S. Van Bergen is looking pretty decent, needs a bit more expansion though.

The reason for my message in the first place is to let you know I did some pretty extensive photography Tuesday and Wednesday, though I haven't yet uploaded my photos. I shot White Pines Forest State Park, to include Pine Creek (Illinois) - (which needs an article). I got some really good shots of the fords in the park, including shots of a truck crossing over them. I also shot Castle Rock State Park along the Rock River and, as requested Kishwaukee River State Fish and Wildlife Area. : ) I will alert you when the pics are posted and add gallery links to Commons to the articles. IvoShandor 18:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, if you are shooting Byron, get the Soldiers Monument in the middle of the street, my pictures of that weren't good, it was too dark. IvoShandor 11:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)r
Saw your Byron images, good stuff despite the storm. I find it funny that your picture of the Soldier's Monument looks almost exactly the same as mine. : ) We'll get a good one eventually, I am sure. I'll probably be going to either Lee County or Charles Mound tomorrow, depends on how long and far I feel like driving. And the next time I am in Ogle County maybe the sun will be shining and I can get a good image of the Soldier's Monument thing, keep your eyes peeled for a crazy person in the middle of the road. IvoShandor 17:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hamlet (not the play)?

Hi Kranar, how about "hamlet"? In Pennsylvania there are incorporated cities, boroughs, one or two towns, and townships. The state Department of Transportation puts signs up for villages (but they are unincorporated and technically part of townships). Even smaller settlements are not given village signs and I have called them hamlets. I see Illinois has official villages, so would Hamlet work? The other idea I had was "populated place" which is what the USGS GNIS calles Chana. See here. Hope this helps, I am adding more dots next. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Glad to be of help - sorry the dots are going so slow. I will keep working on them, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Merging

Hi there, sorry for the delay, I have been away lately. Merge done (although I only saved one version, this one). I put that info in the leading of the article, so check for inconsistencies (in example, the city was founded on 1722 or 1720?). Cheers! -- ReyBrujo 18:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, as you may know I don't have English as main language, but if "raiders" is offensive, you can request a reference. If the police was doing a raid (like a dawn raid), then it looks like "raiders" is an appropriate term. -- ReyBrujo 18:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

People from Chicago

I am not sure what you are saying your intention is. Do other cities have such subcats? I think American Football players will show up in every team they played for and major college programs as well. In addition they may show up in People from cats. I am not sure how much a Football player from cat would add. Do other cities do this? TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Let me thank you for your tremendous hard work. I see that you are trying to sort Category: People from Chicago by specialties. When yo[[u add new cats you have to add them to Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Bot Category List, which is where the bot looks. Also, add them in one place at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Categories. I did not have a problem with the category as it was, but it is more clear the way you have done it. The category that I have been unable to get straightened out is Category:Second City alumni. Most of the people are from the Chicago branch but as the other branches develop a tradition they will have wiki-notable members. Do you think you might have a chance to sort out that category by city so that Mike Myers is not in a cat dominated by Chicago actors. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry. The problem is that the category is in the bot list. So everyone in the cat gets {{ChicagoWikiProject}} added to it. It was originally a Chicago comedy troup. Now they have branches in other cities. Mike was in the Toronto troup I believe. What I need are sub cats by city (E.g. Category:Second City Chicago alumni). One would be Chicago. Thus, actors from other cities would not get the Chi tag. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. Sorry but categories cannot be renamed. You usually create the new category, move all the articles to the new category, and add a {{category redirect}} in the old one. You may need to suggest the change at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, not sure. -- ReyBrujo 03:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but I think Rey is wrong on this one. Check it, Category:Sycamore Historic District structures was deleted and renamed to Category:Buildings and structures in Sycamore Historic District. I think renamings happen a lot, especially at WP:CFSD and probably at WP:CFD too. IvoShandor 08:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The first line at WP:CFD seems to concur with me: On this page, deletion, merging, and renaming of categories (pages in the Category namespace) is discussed
IvoShandor 08:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Your right, I have started the process for two of the subcats to be renamed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 19. This just means the names will change to my proposals if it passes. This is a five day process, so I figured I would post these up and work on that other category in the meantime. Also, Ivo if you see this, if you can go there and give your opinion or any other Ill/Chicago members. Thanks guys!--Kranar drogin 11:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Winnebago County War Memorial

Indeed it is. Added to the National Register of Historic Places on 1976-01-31, useful database from the National Park Service, allows queries to the National Register by location and name among other parameters, just in case you wanted to know. I will take a look at what looks like a pretty comprehensive article when I get a chance. It could use {{Infobox nrhp}}. IvoShandor 08:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


In the future, you can add CfDs here, which puts it in a section of the WP:WPChi but saves the history as its own section. If you want to edit the section you will see where you need to go to make the edits when you try to do so. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Bot tagging

I am not so sure bot tagging would work the same at the state level. You would have to come to a consensus on how to selectively develop a list. E.g. whereas it is at least moderately relevant to include every alumni of every local univeristy with such an alumni category at the city level, it would be useless at the state level. For starters, You have fewer than 5000 articles at WP:Illinois, we already have over 10,000 at WP:WPChi. If you use a tag for everything under Category:Illinois you could have 50 or 100k articles. However, if you are interested you can get started at WP:BOTREQ. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Esmond, Illinois

I created this one awhile back (when I did Ashelford Hall), but I think I thought it was a village at the time, may need a minor tweak or two. IvoShandor 05:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

It seems Fairdale, Illinois also exists. As for the discussion I am not sure how to approach it and I am not sure if there is a difference in the two designations, but we should probably go with the most commonly used term as opposed to official and I would say that is unincorporated community, settlement, place with people living there, whatever. CDP is pretty heavy handed and bureaucratic in my opinion. IvoShandor 11:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
The dot on the Esmond map is in the wrong spot too, its latitude is about right but it should be over by the Ogle County border, darn it. Just FYI, in case you felt like fixing it. IvoShandor 11:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

deleted article

You recently deleted an entry I had written on Maralee Gordon. I would like to disagree with you on the point that she is insignificant- Rabbi Gordon has been an important leader in her own Jewish community and has had an influential role on expanding the boundaries of women within Judaism and incorporating theories of feminism into Jewish practice. If you visit the Jewish Women's Archive website, you will see that she is featured as one of a number of important Jewish women to the feminist movement. I would really appreciate it if you undeleted that entry, and I know there are many others who would strongly agree with my opinion. Thank you.Mrudnick87 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Cook County Communities

I am not sure what you mean by unincorporated. Have you seen Community areas of Chicago?

Creation of Illinois township articles

I ran across your new Madison County township articles. Keep it up! I filled out the list of Ohio townships some months ago, but only with really basic articles — you're doing much better to have a much bigger article than "___ Township is a township in ___ County, Illinois" :-) Hopefully you can get a lot more done soon. Nyttend 03:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of townships I included Flagg Township in a suggested Did You Know hook for City and Town Hall, maybe a little main page exposure will search out a potential expander. IvoShandor 09:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, no time to do that. Go to List of Ohio townships and click on various townships: you'll see that some are in a much more developed state than others. If you want, however, I'd be willing to create one county's worth of township articles, but in a really basic format, more basic than yours. Nyttend 13:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I use a template as well, but it's a lot smaller than yours; about the only benefit that you'd gain from my work, I think, is the changing of red links into blue links. As far as the wikiproject: I know that it could be done, but I'm happy to let others do it :-) I myself find it useful to have the discussion tab remain red if it's not been talked on. I've lately been working on adding county templates to Kansas articles, but I found it confusing at first because Kansas has been a lot more diligent than Ohio has at adding state wikiproject notes. Ah well, I'm sure it will get done sometime, but I have the feeling that not many Ohio people care about the townships. Thanks for the chat! Nyttend 13:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Top Candidates

I was hoping to get some feedback on prospective top candidates before we get to 10500 articles and then take our next top candidates vote when we get to around 11000. Your feedback would be appreciated. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:William C. Gilbreath

Actually, the ND Blue Book I have (1911) only says that he moved to Illinois in the brief biography that is given. He served in his position for 8 years though, so he would also appear in Blue Book 1913, 1909, 1907, and 1905. I will check those books when I get them and see if any more details into where he lived in Illinois are given. Weatherman90 15:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

WPChi falling on its face?

I hope you have been following along at Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates#List_of_Chicago_Landmarks. If you have, then you may have noticed that the only drawback that seems to have emerged is the number of redlinks in the list. If you check in at WP:WIAFL this should not be a surprise. There is nothing much else really to complain about, IMO. I have said from the initial CHICOTW nomination. Unfortunately, once we worked on the page we found preponderant redlinks. I have always known this would be a problem and asked for help creating stubs. You may recall I encouraged us to spend an [Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/COTW/History/CLstubification entire extra week creating stubs]. This still fell short of getting the majority of articles linked. I continued to suggest that we attempt to create stubs. This whole effort six weeks ago seems to have brought down WP:CHICOTW. Since this attempt to get people to create redlinks for a budding WP:FL people have stopped participating in the CHICOTW. This week marks the fifth week in a row that there has been no significant editorial contribution during the CHICOTW. I would say I am afraid to lose CHIICOTW support by mentioning this, but since NO ONE has come by to help this week, it could not get any worse. If anyone cares about getting an FL at CHICOTW for our past efforts it might be a good idea to express such concern by creating 5 or so stubs from among the redlinks at List_of_Chicago_Landmarks. Since I have already created about 3 dozen I have mentioned on the discussion that I am standing pat with my contribution to this concern. However, if any of you cares, feel free to make some stubs. The 20 minute stub instructions are still available. If you create any such stubs list them at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago#Newly_Created_Chicago_Related_Pages so that everyone can help you to clean it up. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Any new Chicago page added to the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago#Newly_Created_Chicago_Related_Pages list will get my attention. I hope to see some new pages there. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
No look at some of Ivo's work on the new pages section. He probably has a couple that are not NRHPs. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Here is the link to the NHL database, [1], it appears that All Saints Rectory is not on that list, nor is it on the list for the National Register of Historic Places [2]. I will try to take a look and weed out any that aren't NHLs or registered, as I have told others, those databases are sometimes wrong but if you can't find it anywhere like that it probably isn't nationally recognized. IvoShandor 12:09, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I made some small changes to your first stub. Make sure to denote the community area with a piped link. Also, I have just discovered that categories are suppose to be listed alphabetically. I have also started making Chicago and Illinois separately linked, which is a personal preference. On a talk page like this you may or may not want to add {{Architecture}}, I usually do, but it is not necessary. Any help is good help though. Keep up the good work. Note that the external links section is not necessary if it is the same as the link in the notes section. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
P.S. thanks for asking me to look at your stub. I have now changed the stub instructions to reflect what I have learned recently about stubs. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

{EC)(undent)-Response copied to TTT's talk page too-Just a few comments, because this discussion is one that I feel like commenting on :-)

  • I too have had some conflicts with the Architecture Project (I am a member) about talk page tags and have come across varying opinions. I even brought it up on the talk page of the project after I saw the comment about it on TTT's page. The discussion is currently ongoing amongst architects and architecture buffs. For now, at least with places listed as Registered Historic Places or Chicago Landmarks just go by why they were designated landmarks or listed on the Register. If its for their architectural significance or merit include the Architecture Project tag on the talk page, if that isn't one of the reasons don't include it.
  • Alphabetical cats: I have also known this for sometime but prefer to let someone else or a bot do that stuff (bots do come along sometimes and do it).
  • I am very wishy washy how I link place names (though I try to be consistent). Sometimes I link a place like this: Oak Park, Illinois and other times like so: Oak Park, Illinois. I don't know if the MOS says anything about it, perhaps I will look it up.

That is all for now folks. IvoShandor 14:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

More help needed

If you have been following along at WP:FLC#List_of_Chicago_Landmarks you know we need help creating stubs for the List to make it a more useful list and help it achieve WP:FLC status. Since I reminded people of this 7 stubs have been created. We need about 40 more to be safe although we may have a successful candidacy with the article as it stands.

Some of you may also be following the success of WP:CHICOTW at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/COTW/Good Articles. For the last 4 weeks no one has been very active. Thus, I am fearful that Historic Michigan Boulevard District, Harold Washington Cultural Center, Crown Fountain, & Art Institute of Chicago Building will all fail at WP:GAC when their turns come up. Also, Magnificent Mile did not experience the collaborative spirit. Our reputation as a successful collaboration is at stake. In addition to making stubs for the FLC we need your contribution to our collaborations. I am sorry to pull you away from whatever other wikipleasures you may be experiencing, but we need your help. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I hope some others join in. I see the objector has withdrawn his objection at WP:FLC. I also see that you seem to have used the {{Infobox nrhp}} tool. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
No apologies are necessary. Your help is very solid. Thanks so much. Everyone has slightly different styles. I am just trying to unify them. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I am very grateful for your assistance. You are a machine with these stubs. You just pick a topic and blow them out. I have to create some more templates. I think I will creates a Chicago Landmark Houses template, and maybe ones for places of Worship, schools, and theatres. When I do the stubs, I get too concerned about looking for articles that I like enough to want to say I created that. I never get in a rhythm of a dozen on the same topic. I can not promise the help of the WP:CHICOTW because they have not been a productive group of collaborators. I.e, it has mostly been me by myself. You can see at Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/COTW/Good Articles that for the last 4 weeks no one else has come by to help. Even with the stub request only one person other than you has created stubs this week (a total of 6). What I can promise is a barnstar, a userbox, a thanks and that you will be able to freely nominate the articles you think have the best shot at getting the attention of our group at WP:CHICOTW. I will support your nomination. I will put my effort into the article for the week. I can not speak for the rest of the loosely affiliated group. You may want to make a few edits to the article so that when you get your userbox (like I have on my user page) for helping to promote you will show up on the edit count.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
You have done plenty already. You don't need to do any more. Thanks for your help. Others have chipped in with about 5 or so apiece. We are set. I am just considering a formatting change for the List that will make it more appealing. I think it will be promoted as is however. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Historic districts in Chicago

Are you sure that historic districts such as Calumet/Giles Prairie District, Burling Row House District, Astor Street District, and others are listed on the National Register of Historic Places? I was going to add an infobox for one of them (I think Astor Street), but I couldn't find it on the National Register database. It's possible that they have other names on the National Register, or that the National Register includes subsets of the Chicago Landmarks. In any case, you might want to check. I have a copy of the National Register database downloaded, which you can query at this link - just enter Chicago for the city name. (Or any other city, come to think of it.) --Elkman (Elkspeak) 23:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think TonyTheTiger has gone back over the historic districts you've created, and he's removed Category:Registered Historic Places in Chicago, Illinois from those articles that shouldn't be in the category. So, everything is cool now, as far as I can tell. Let me know if you have any questions about National Register properties, or check out Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


Yep, FLW buildings indeed. I gots 'em. IvoShandor 07:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Chicago Landmark Houses

Thanks for all the help. I just created Template:Chicago Landmark houses and slapped it on all your new houses. I will work on one for places of worship soon. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


You should set your prefs to enable email, I need to ask your opinion off wiki. IvoShandor 22:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Email sent, nothing too serious, just want to know what you think. IvoShandor 19:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

County Templates

First of all, the WP:WPChi is only effectively administering Cook County, Illinois articles. At least right now that is all that that we are tagging with {{ChicagoWikiProject}}. I think you and User:Abog have a good dialog going. However, I support uniformity myself. If you need any other specific opinion I will give one, but I don't think this is my bailiwick. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


What? There's another place to upload? Speciate 01:56, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll pause for the evening. You can snag these nifty photos from the Cook County Assessor's office. Just type the address into their search page at Speciate 01:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
I am unsure if the images from the Cook County Assessor's office are free to use on Wikipedia, so for the moment I am going to stop uploading them. A strict reading of the rules says only US Federal gov't work is ok. Also, If the architect died less than 70 years ago then maybe not free use. However, I think that these rules are too paranoid, because I seem to recall seeing, for example, photos of the Sears Tower on Wikipedia. Images taken of the exteriors of buildings in Cook County, on behalf of the taxpayers of Cook County are, in my mind, the property of the public. As an architech, one does not have an expectation that the exterior of a building one designs is for private consumption, nor does people taking photos of it diminish your profits. What do you think? Speciate 21:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Mazon Township, Grundy County, Illinois

We already have a page for that place: Mazon, Illinois. However, you seem to have information that that article doesn't have. Since the later is the standard way we name articles, would it be okay to merge what you have over there and turn this into a redirect? -WarthogDemon 03:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, gotcha. I guess I wasn't aware of the distinction. Earlier I even moved Moccasin Township, Effingham County, Illinois thinking it was just Moccasin, Illinois. I'll undo the move. -WarthogDemon 03:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem. :D I just hope I didn't mess up anything too badly. I had to but CSDG1 (page made by mistake) on the pages I moved them too. (For some reason I couldn't undo my move. I could swear I've seen such an option before. Durn it.) Well, happy editing. :) -WarthogDemon 04:00, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

William W. Powers State Recreation Area

I have nominated William W. Powers State Recreation Area for the July 11th WP:CHICOTW. I have not researched it and do not know how much info is available. Hopefully, we can boost the article. That seems to be the only protected area in Cook County, Illinois. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:35, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

We are still voting on July 4th. You will have to come back and recast your vote next week. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
You can vote now. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 13:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Template organization

Given your experience in thinking out templates, I would value your opinion of Template:Chicago Landmark templates and its sub templates. More importantly, can you suggest further templates that would represent logical groupings of the remainder of the List of Chicago Landmarks. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 05:57, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

List of Chicago Landmarks FL promotion

Thanks for being among the core group of individual wikipedians who helped List of Chicago Landmarks achieve WP:FL status. You may with to add the following userbox to your userpage

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:08, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Chicago WikiProject Barnstar Award

Barnstar Chicago.png The Chicago WikiProject Barnstar
For exemplary service to the Chicago WikiProject (most notably standout performance exemplified during tireless creation of stubs for redlinked articles in List of Chicago Landmarks during its final days of its WP:FL push) please allow me to present the Chicago Barnstar award to you? -- TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:18, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Note that I have corrected the date here and on your user page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Moccasin, Illinois

I created the redirect after reviewing the history of edits by User:WarthogDemon, who requested speedy deletion of Moccasin, Illinois after mistakenly moving the content over from Moccasin Township, Effingham County, Illinois. I was not aware of the fact that two distinct locations share the Moccasin name, so I thought it was only logical to redirect to the Township. Thanks for explaining the situation, I'll undo the redirect. If you think that the revision history of Moccasin, Illinois should be merged to Moccasin Township, Effingham County, Illinois, I'll gladly perform a histmerge. To clear things up a bit, shouldn't Moccasin, Illinois ultimately become a disambiguation page? ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense. I've fixed WarthogDemon's cut and paste move, so Moccasin, Illinois should now be a redlink without any necessary revision history. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Nope, all relevant history is now under Moccasin Township, Effingham County, Illinois. Good luck with the new article! ˉˉanetode╦╩ 16:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I. R. S. (Illinois Relocation Screwup)

Seems it got fixed in time. :) Seems that editor made the same mistake as I did, but even if you hadn't been able to get him to fix things, it wouldn't have been a complete mess: it would've just meant that one of us would've had to make a town page right quick before more confusing arose. Once again, sorry for the entire mess up. ^_^; -WarthogDemon 22:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Nice pic

Thanks for the pic for Banditti of the Prairie, where is that marker along 2? Was there a brown sign pointing toward it off the highway, because I seem to remember seeing a sign that said "Historical Marker" along 2 the last time I was out that way.

What areas of the county need shot still? I probably have a slew of stuff already and can shoot more. I was in Lee County last week and am planning a return trip soon, I could hit some places in Ogle County along the way as well. It seems, from what I have read and studied that settlement in both areas happened along the same timelines, for instance the Banditti terrorized areas of both counties and other counties as well, just as an unrelated note. IvoShandor 21:35, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Ogle County

Are you familiar with Featured topics, if we can bring Ogle County to FA, maybe a couple current GAs to FA and several other articles, let's include some cities (prominently Rochelle (being the largest in Ogle County) and Oregon (being the county seat) and then we could shoot for featured topic, getting several other GAs and FAs along the way. I will begin going over those articles already marked by you (and really I thought so too--minus some minor tweaks) as ready for GA and then nominate them. IvoShandor 04:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I like the idea my friend. However, I am not sure all of the places on that page will meet notability requirements, in particular I was concerned about some of the parks and cemeteries. IvoShandor 04:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Also List of Historic sites is kind of ambiguous and non-descript. The towns list might be a good candidate. I was thinking of doing some improvements of Oregon Commercial Historic District with a List of properties (Oregon Commercial Historic District) modeled after what I did with List of properties (Central Park West Historic District). I want to get the district article to follow what I did with the merging of many small stubs and short articles at the revamped Sycamore Historic District, which I am thinking of trying for FT eventually with that stuff too. IvoShandor 04:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Another comment, and I have just been notified of your new comment (haven't read) I recently expanded City and Town Hall, planning on an Ogle County marathon eventually, that one was featured in DYK with a photo from yours truly. IvoShandor 04:29, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been wanting to expand that one for awhile, I have researched nuclear power in my spare time quite a bit, and have more than a few sources compiled around here somewhere. IvoShandor 04:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Off to work soon, we'll just think of it as a division of the Illinois project, a collaboration or article improvement drive or whatever. I figure, we have two GAs, if we get a few more historic sites to GA (John Deere House, and City and Town Hall), two cities to GA (Oregon and Rochelle), two hard (would like to see three), American history articles associated with Ogle County to GA (Banditti, Battle of Stillman's Run and a third if you want Joseph Ogle) and maybe a featured list and then the whammy, Ogle County to FA. Whadda think? IvoShandor 04:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah and Byron and anything else you think we should include, personally I would like to get all Registered Historic Places in Ogle County to GA eventually. IvoShandor 04:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

(undent)Cool. Take your time. I am working on some stuff for our collaboration. I added a bit to John Deere House and Shop and am adding to White Pines Forest State Park right now. I have requested the National Register nomination forms for the several Registered Historic Places in Ogle County that don't have their forms avaiable from the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency's HAARGIS Database. If you would like I can compile a list of articles that would likely need the assitance of the Historical Society and some really old books. IvoShandor 02:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I will try to get to it tonight but maybe not til morining, cool? The Battle of Stillman's Run nom form is one I requested, should be a decent source. IvoShandor 02:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I never use it but I just signed on. I will email you my name and you will laugh, better yet I will just IM you. IvoShandor 03:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I usually do early life, career, and late or later life, sometimes a family section sometimes a death section, it depends on the person. I am off work, I am. IvoShandor 11:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I blew up on White Pines Forest State Park, I think a copy edit or two and a bit of an expansion on the activities section and we might have a GA? Can you think of anything else to add? IvoShandor 13:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
John Deere House and Shop has been copy edited, probably a GA, I will nom asap, I am tired now. That leaves Banditti, needing a copy editing, see if anyone will help out, I work again at 6 pm. If it gets copy edited, the first section needs a new title btw, while I am at work, then when I get home at midnight I will nominate it, and John Deere. Then I will expand City and Town Hall, Oregon Public Library and see where we are with White Pines, after that those will be ready for GA too. IvoShandor 13:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Would it be cool if this discussion took place at User talk:Kranar drogin/Ogle County? See my comments there. IvoShandor 07:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I gave a rather sarcastic response when you asked what got me interested in Ogle. Really I followed the architecture and history there. I found out about Oregon and the courthouse, then Black Hawk Statue, and decided to pretty much check it all out. I have visited all of the Registered Historic Places in Ogle County as well as all of the state parks (though I want to go back to Castle Rock). I have taken enough photos of Ogle County now that I still have some I haven't uploaded. Of course, being from further south I have traveled 39 alot and those impending towers on the horizon have always captured my imagination a bit. My next big thing is wind farms, I just did Mendota Hills Wind Farm, that's over by Paw Paw, now I plan to visit the Twin Groves Wind Farm in McLean County, something like 267 wind turbines there, so watch for that eventually. IvoShandor 08:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Kranar, I see the maps is up on Commons. I will create the individual township maps today and tomorrow. VerruckteDan 12:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Clark County, Illinois

Kranar, thank you for your work on Illinois counties. However, I have two issues to discuss:

  • In the township boxes for Clark County, Illinois, you list "Settled November 7, 1854" for all but Auburn Township. In fact, most townships had settlers by the 1820s. I have deeds and land warrants that show my own ancestors were in Anderson, Marshall, Parker and Dolson townships well before 1854. The date you have listed is, I believe, the date that the current township organization took effect (except for Auburn, which was carved out later for supposedly political reasons).
  • You changed the wording on Dennison, Illinois and Clarksville, Illinois from "unincorporated village" to "unincorporated settlement". I know that your reason was that words like village, town and city connote a formal legal structure. However, I think that using the modifier "unincorporated" overrides any connotation and makes it clear that there is no formal structure. I draw your attention to the relevant definitions from Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary (I left out the clearly inapplicable portions of the definitions):
  • settlement - a. occupation by settlers b. a place or region newly settled c. a small village
  • village - a. a settlement usually larger than a hamlet and smaller than a town b. an incorporated minor municipality
  • town - a. a compactly settled area as distinguished from surrounding rural territory b. a compactly settled area usually larger than a village but smaller than a city
  • city - a. an inhabited place of greater size, population, or importance than a town or village d. a usually large or important municipality in the United States governed under a charter granted by the state
By these definitions, I think that there is ample justification for describing the places as I have done and much less justification to describe them as a "settlement" (which to me implies the first two definitions of settlement, not the third). Also, using the same word to describe all the unincorporated "settlements" fails to paint a realistic picture. For example, West Union, Illinois (which you did not change) is very clearly a town. It has a post office, stores, several restaurants, parallel and intersecting streets and a city park. To describe it as a "settlement" in the same way that Dennison is described would be misleading. (Moonshine, Illinois (population 2) on the other hand cannot even be accurately described as a settlement. And some places on the map are not even ghost towns, they are simply cornfields (and sometimes a church or cemetery) that used to be a settlement and still have a name. Let's not use a shoehorn to get them to fit within some common term than may be convenient but is simply wrong. -- DS1953 talk 04:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. By the way, I want to repeat that I think you have done a great job and don't intend to make these "nits" sound like complaints. They are just my own thoughts.
1) The word "community" is certainly much better than "settlement". I am a lawyer and appreciate the use of terms with precise meanings, but to me the words "unincorporated village" convey a somewhat different picture than "unincorporated community". There are some "communities" in east central Illinois that are entirely rural and bear no resemblance to a "town", "village" or even a "hamlet". However, I don't really have an issue with using the word community, particularly if we have no personal knowledge of the "community" to go on.
2) From a technical perspective, the word used to describe the date a township came into existence is "organized" rather than "founded". Would it screw up the potential bot if I changed the Clark County infoboxes? I am not so bothered that I feel compelled to change it by hand if it will be changed in due course.
Have a great 4th of July. -- DS1953 talk 15:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Myrna Williams (politician)

When was she a Chicago politician? Categories should be obvious from the article. If she was not notability active in politics there, the category should be left as people from Chicago. Vegaswikian 23:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Big Bluestem

Big Bluestem is Illinois' official grass. It's on the Illinois page in an infobox. (Scroll down a ways). Speciate 03:45, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Julie Cellini

  • Re: your note on my Talk page. I'd like to help narrow down where she's from but I put as much as I know about her (which is not much) into her stub. sorry Canuckle 16:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Moving to Commons

I'm not sure about that. With each image that I move to commons, I mark it as {{ncd}}. I believe that another administrator will come along and make sure that everything is kosher - I've never been able to understand exactly what makes a move kosher or not - and will likely delete the image, description page (with category), and talk page (with project tag). I'm not sure what the best way would be to ask that they not delete everything, but a note on the talk pages might work. As far as I know, there is no firm policy against adding those pages back over the commons image if they do get deleted.

I started by moving images that were orphaned by the new fancy infobox locater (or just plain orphaned - which I reattached to their articles). I noticed that some of them were useful on pages on the other language wikipedias, so the ones that I was moving this afternoon were ones that would be useful on other projects.

I would probably be willing to move some images over to commons for you, but it would be easier for you to just mark them with {{move to commons}} or to add the CH2 to your monobook and do it yourself. ~ BigrTex 02:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any strong advise for you. I came across the orphaned ones patrolling Special:Unusedimages. I think that most orphaned-image patrollers would go with the 'move to commons' instead of 'nominate for delete' side of the coin. I haven't spent enough time working on moving images to know what the best process is, but tagging them sure can't hurt.
I would be willing to move any that you orphan if you'd like to list them on my talk page. If you could include the county with the image link, that would be helpful. I'm placing them in both the county category (i.e., commons:Category:Marshall County, Illinois and commons:Category:Maps of Illinois. ~ BigrTex 17:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
At some point this afternoon I noticed the new categories (and couldn't decide if they were really new or if I'd missed them yesterday. I went through and moved all of the maps from the counties I'd touched to the new categories. ~ BigrTex 22:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Parks questions

Hi Kranar, could you look at the map and see if the blue dots for State Fish & Wildlife Areas are distinguishable from the purple dots? Also, it seems to me that the Fish and Wildlife Area article names should be consistent - at least two use an ampersand, like Anderson Lake State Fish & Wildlife Area, while others spell out the "and", like Carlyle Lake State Fish and Wildlife Area. I see the official DNR pages use an ampersand, but the USGS GNIS has it as "Anderson Lake State Conservation Area" [3], so I am confused. If you decide on a name, let me know and I will change the map links to avoid redirects. Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kranar, I never heard back on the above question and got into a map making groove (100 North Carolina counties and 64 Louisiana parishes), so I have not added dots for a while. I will work on them now - there are about 64 dots to add, if I can count right (never a good assumption). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
No problemo, I think going with the official IL DNR names is fine, but really just think the name should be consistent (all "&" or all "and"). Glad the colors are distiguishable. To be honest, I have been less than diligent about the dots lately, but will make them my top Wiki priority until they are done. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for making all of those moves - I fixed the links in {{Protected Areas of Illinois}} and will fix the map dot links next, then work on adding new dots. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kranar, the map is done and here it is. For the Tunnel Hill Trail and Trail of Tears I just added dots where there was room for them as there were no real coordinates (and no IL locator maps on the National Trail article). Let me know of any errors. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the barnstar - I am quite honored. Lincoln is my favorite president, so it is nice to have him on my user page now. I am not sure what other advice to give on making the parks list a Featured List. Pennsylvania has very nice and quite detailed county maps, which helped us with the water bodies immensely. User:Dincher did an immense amount of work on the 120 PA parks articles, so the interesting feature part was usually just looking at the article carefully and picking out the best hook (although we tried to make sure some were consistent throughout - US Army Corps of Engineeers Dams, for example). The other bit of luck was that there was a nice official history of the park system, which provided much of the past parks information. Hope this helps, I am going to work on some creeks as I am able (getting busier in real life). Thanks again for the barnstar, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


Are you are aware that the boundaries for Cook County townships have changed? I uploaded the map from the Cook County Assessor. Speciate 02:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

New Category

I want to create a category to put all the various charities, clubs, groups, associations, non-profits etc that are based in Chicago into. But when I looked at NYC and LA, I can't figure out which is the most broad; Organizations based in Chicago or Associations in Chicago. What is the standard? Speciate 04:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


I stumbled on this discussion, recently started at WP:Protected areas. Thought you might be interested. IvoShandor 09:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Municipality Infobox

Who has the info to do this type of thing to East Hazel Crest, Illinois?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Your request

Hi Kranar. Please have a look at Battle of Stillman's Run request or Ogle County, Illinois. -- FayssalF - Wiki me up® 11:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


See WP:WIAFL. No requirements like those at WP:WIAFT.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

The requirement is a majority of blue links, the more the better, the status of included article is relevant to featured topics, not lists. Circeus 21:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Ask Circeus "The Godfather of Featured Lists" any questions about Featured lists. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I will remember that as Ivo and I attempt two here, I will bug you more Circeus with List of townships in Ogle County, Illinois and another.--Kranar drogin 21:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
The structure looks good to me. I'd recommend moving the image on the left (see e.g. List of recordings preserved in the United States National Recording Registry and Grade I listed buildings in Bristol) and reducing their number. Also, although civic buildings are a good illustration, they look... Well... Silly try finding appealing images (Image:Byron, IL Post Office 03.JPG or Image:Byron, IL Soldiers Monument 07.JPG are much better images for Byron township, for example). Also, remember that the list need a proper lead. Consider elaborating a bit about the status and organization of townships in Illinois in general, their number, and maybe adding a map. Also, make sure you link to List of townships in Illinois. Circeus 21:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
As a second thought, maybe the best idea is to make a List of townships in Illinois by county instead of separate lists for each county... Circeus 21:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it's a bit much indeed. It's just an idea. Circeus 21:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
You could always do a few counties and see how it turns out; there's always the possibility of merging the multiple lists afterward. It's no obligation at all, but a List of townships in Illinois by county would be useful. Maybe I'll make a basic one myself. (the list of precincts is organized by counties, but the alphabetical listing also has its use.)Circeus 22:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
While that seems like an obvious option, I do not like much the fact it would remove the headers, which do make the navigation of very long lists much easier. See for example List of London Underground stations. Circeus 22:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I can do it automatically, it's not very difficult. See? TextPad is nice for sorting big lists like that. And I think I balanced my idea with the "further details" part, which doesn't preclude the merging of the lists at a later date. Circeus 22:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
My idea goes: We add small summary data to the master list (counties with most/least townships etc.) and simply add links to further, more detailed list as I did for Ogle county. When (if ever) there are enough county lists or someone complains about the split, they can be merged to the master list. How does that sound? I'll see what I can do to improve the ToC. Circeus 23:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

BTW, since all the entries were practically copy-pasted from the alphabetic list, you might what to double-check that one too >.>;;; Circeus 03:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Copy-pasting it back?? Do you realize this require re-adding the county names? Assuming you want to keep the original format, that is. Circeus 03:28, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


I was wondering if you'd care to create a map for Hyde Park Township, Cook County, Illinois such as you made for the other Cook County townships. MisfitToys 22:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Quincy geobox

Actually I do not know how to make a geobox. I tried but it looked really complicated. (Tigerghost 23:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC))

I don't mean to butt in / wiki stalk, but refs can't be added to lines that are involved in calculations like the ones added in Quincy. I don't know where to put the refs, but they can't go there. --Dual Freq 00:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
GASP! I have a stalker! No worries man, I do it all the time to you when you are posting images...errr...Thanks for that bit of info. Prolly something that will have to be removed and put somewhere else in the article.--Kranar drogin 01:00, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


I have not seen you at this week's WP:CHICOTW. I thought you might be very active in this one.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


Whaddya think about that roller derby team listed under Rockford sports...I'm leaning towards non-notable. Granted I love watching scantily-clad women on roller skates, but you make the call. PeteJayhawk 15:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Powers Pics

I like the slide picture. I have to learn about Flickr image licensing. I am going to put in a query.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The page has the copyright symbol so I don't know if that is a copyright for flickr or for the photo.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
We can't use those pics as per Wikipedia:Help_desk#Image_licensing.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


Working Man's Barnstar.png Working Man's Barnstar
For your work on Wikiproject Illinois article assessment, a very difficult task assessing at least 1300 articles by hand, I hereby award you this Working Man's Barnstar. Keep up the good work! --Dual Freq 04:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Make that two.

Tireless Contributor Barnstar.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Tirelessly assessing and stubbing and assessing and stubbing and assessing and stubbing. You deserve this, even if it is from me. IvoShandor 10:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


Assessment help is appreciated. Just make sure you check out our project importance scale and calibrate to what Speciate and I have been doing. You are a workhorse.

What categories is Satyr using for you guys?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 06:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your assistance. I have and will continue return the favor when they are mutually tagged. My pace will be a little slower because I only tend to do priority assessments when someone shows enough interest in an article to change the quailty assessment. Speciate does most of our tagging. You should let him know what you are doing. I think he is on a short break from Wikipedia for a couple weeks right now though. I have probably done a couple dozen for you guys. I think the most notable was Otto Kerner, Jr.. I tagged him as high for you guys and mid for us. I think governors are more important to the state perspective than the city perspective.
I should remind you that your importance parameter is not working correctly (it does not show on the template right now).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 04:48, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I see you are using AWB to match classes. How does that work? I guess I better get my AWB installed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:Cook County, IL

Should Cities and Towns be separated for this template or should it be kept the same? I looked around at some of the other counties but I can't seem to find an example like this. McLean County is another location I had this occur. -Bl5585


Thanks for the County answer. Also, do you think we should have a Category:Defunct townships in Illinois like Category:Defunct townships in Ohio. Hyde park is the only defunct article page I know. Are there enough for a category?

Also, I parameterized {{WikiProject Illinois}} on a couple pages, but the importance parameter is not working. User:Elkman is my go to guy for that kind of stuff. I don't know who you use.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Kranar! I'm going to be away this weekend and won't have access to the internet. I'll be gone until Sunday night. There are three options available regarding the bot's current work on WP:Illinois.

  1. Do nothing. The bot will start at the same place each night (starting with Category:Chicago Cubs. It will have to work through categories until it finds new articles it hasn't done, so it will get less and less done over the next couple days, but it will still make progress.
  2. Turn the bot off. The bot won't get anything done for the next couple days.
  3. Have you edit the current project page to update what category the bot needs to start at.

If you're comfortable with the last option, here are the steps that would need to be followed:

  1. Visit the User:SatyrBot/Logs page and find where the last occurrence of "Finished Category:Blah Blah" is. Make a note of that category.
  2. Visit User:SatyrBot/Current project. Edit the page. There's a commented line that says:
<-- SatyrBot lastcatcat Category talk:Chicago Cubs -->
Replace "Chicago Cubs" with the new "last cat"

That should be it. How does that sound to you? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Illinois bot tagging

Do you really want all of the players who have played for the Chicago athletic teams. You guys are going to have 30000+ articles if you tag everything we tag and then use the same strategy throughout the state. I ask because some players that are of low importance to the Chicago project should be of almost no importance to the state projects. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

E.G., a player like Billy Hatcher (baseball) is of questionable value to the state, IMO. Do you guys want to tag all these players? A player may be important to the city. If the state tags all the articles that a city tags it will result in a lot of trivial tags. Then if a country tags all the articles each state tags you will have a mess. Then project earth if there is such a thing would have to tag all WP articles as part of their project. You probably should not copy all our categories, IMO. I have talked with WP:ILLINOIS members who have agreed with me on this topic in the past. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:43, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Since SatyrBot keeps a log it may be able to undo what has been done. You might be able to undo the new tags and then refine your list.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
What I am saying is that you should ask SatyrTN if he can undo what has been tagged and then start over with a proper list of categories. It would be minimal effort if the bot can systematically untag what has been tagged using the logs. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Geobox and Google Earth

Well, I think I found an answer to why the Wikipedia links are not showing up in Google Earth for the articles using Geobox. Google is apparently in the process of updating their system to parse data from articles using Template:Coord, which is the underlying template used for Geobox coordinates. Between the Google changes to incorporate this, and the time between data dumps from Wikipedia, its just a waiting game. See the discussion at Coord's talk page and this message from Google. VerruckteDan 14:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

County navbox

Hey, I wanted to get your thoughts on an issue that has come up several times as I've gone through the Illinois county navboxes. I've encountered several counties with only one city or sometimes one town. In those cases, I've had the left column state City or Town in the singular. But I've begun to reconsider that approach, perhaps all left column titles should be plural for consistency. I just changed to the singular on Template:Stephenson County, Illinois, but before I make any more changes one way or another I wanted to get some other views on it? Your thoughts? VerruckteDan 14:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright, all 102 templates have been converted to the US county nav box. VerruckteDan 15:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Better template

I am officially introducing you to {{commonscat}} thus the need for the word "Category" is alleviated. : ) IvoShandor 15:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, see usage at Eleroy, Illinois and that other one I fixed up for you. It eludes me at the moment which article it was. IvoShandor 15:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Illinois Project

Thank you. I will look into what yousuggested. I am not an expert on Wikipedia but I think I can figure it out. Thanks, Libertyville | Talk 15:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing

I will look at the township article as I get a chance, promise, might need to remind me if I forget though I get kinda caught up doing my thing around here, as you know. In the meantime I have this: User:IvoShandor/Black Hawk War. So let the expansions begin. These articles will be great when we are done with them. The toughest will be the referencing in a couple articles but Black Hawk War will be what we want to aim to FA and I think we can do it. The whole ball of wax would make a great FT and I think I can probably bring the battles up to GA, we shall see. IvoShandor 07:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

SatyrBot and WP:Illinois

Hi, Kranar! Looks like SatyrBot (finally) finished WP:Illinois tagging. Let me know if it looks good to you - and if there's anything else you need. I've got two other projects lined up, so I may not get to any additional things right away, but probably in a week. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Restarted FAC

Debate has been restarted at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Chicago Board of Trade Building and your voice has not been heard.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 06:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Caterpillar, Inc. Israel controversy deletions

Greetings fellow Wikipedian, would you care to discuss the matter at Talk:Caterpillar, Inc.? I do not consider this matter closed to discussion, and I would appreciate your engagement in the appropriate forum. Thank you, Eleland 03:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Ogle County Maps

Well, I finally finished and uploaded the Ogle County maps that highlight each township. Take a look, at the Commons. VerruckteDan 14:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Caterpillar, Inc.

Your comments on the issue of military conversions in Israel might be useful here. Eleland 20:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I unreservedly apologize for accidentally posting twice. Eleland 20:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 9 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Buffalo Grove, Ogle County, Illinois, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Circeus 14:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Image moving

I'm afraid I don't quite follow what you're asking - the only reason the categories and talk pages are still there for any images like the one you mentioned are because the images themselves haven't been deleted yet. What you're seeing when you look at the image is the version still uploaded here on the English Wikipedia, and not on the Commons. There's no way to be able to preserve the categories and talk pages, just as there really shouldn't be, because it's a link to an image that's not on these servers. Sorry to get your hopes up, but there's not much that can be done to help there. --fuzzy510 03:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Top Importance

Did you have any opinion on which articles should be nominated for consideration in the next set of Category:Top-importance Chicago articles at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Assessment? We will need to choose 3 or 4 more soon.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The voting has begun at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/Assessment#Current_Top-importance_Candidates.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Soldier's Monument

I actually remember hearing about the original lightning strike in the local news paper ("The Tempo"), shortly after the second strike. A later edition stated why they excluded the eagle from the latest replacement. Being as "The Tempo" is a small local paper lacking any sort of easily search-able archives, and I'm heading back to college on the 15th Aug, I wouldn't be able to find the article in question for some time.


Hey, regarding the place of birth and death, check out WP:MOSNUM, it recommends not to entangle it next to the name. IvoShandor 12:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Fort Blue Mounds

Hey, I meant to tell you to just follow the structure I used for Apple River Fort, don't worry too much about the writing/grammar, you know I'll be by to clean it up. Note that Fort Blue Mounds (the site anyway) is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. : ) IvoShandor 13:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


WikiThanks.png Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page. I'd no idea I was so popular ;-) Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:44, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

DYK (24 August)

Updated DYK query On 24 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Waddams Grove, Illinois, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Laïka 19:36, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

GA William W. Powers State Recreation Area

Thanks for creating the page and suggesting the WP:CHICOTW.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Reciprocal assessments

User:Speciate is the most active Chicago assessor. You and he should coordinate.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 06:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I have been remiss in putting WP:Illinois banners when I put WP:Chi banners, but I did it out of the hope that a bot could be devised to put one where the other is, at least for specified categories. Speciate 07:00, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, but please don't add articles to Category:Chicago, Illinois, there almost always is a better subcategory. I have spelled out the policy on Category talk:Chicago, Illinois. Speciate 05:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Chris Snopek

I think you may need to fix whatever regular expression you're using in AWB to do your reciprocal assessments. You broke Talk:Chris Snopek in this diff. Cheers. — madman bum and angel 15:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Black Hawk War

Hi Kranar, I am flattered and would be glad to work on a map for the article. I think it is best to think about everything that needs to be on the map in advance, as it can be a real pain to try to squeeze something in later. I would suggest you look at the work of User:Kevin Myers, particularly his featured articles Crawford expedition, Lochry's Defeat, and Pontiac's Rebellion. The articles are wonderfully written and his maps are very nice too. I would need to know what parts of IL and WI to include in the map, what battles and forts and settlements and rivers to include. It is also good to think about what not to include - most historic maps show the political boundaries as they were at the time of the war, so modern cities or county outlines (that postdate the war) are problematic. Often though, important modern places are present already (like Fort Detroit for Detroit on the maps in the FAs I mentioned above). I have not made a lot of historic maps, but you can look at the map in Big Runaway and its Image:Big Runaway Map.PNG for an idea of what I've done. I would also appreciate the link to the online map you referred to (of the war). Thanks, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kranar, first off I hope you came through the recent flooding in Illinois OK. Second of all, do you think that Black Hawk War articles / places are static enough to make the map? The engagements have gone from 12 to 14 since I made a test map, so I was not sure. I also know IvoShandor is taking a break from this topic for now, so should I wait on his return? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I will start on the map in earnest then, but it may take me a while. I don't have AIM, sorry. My email address is enabled, but it is not an account I check every day (or even every two or three days) normally. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 23:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


Have you coordinated with User:Speciate about tagging the articles?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 00:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


You are quite expert on Illinois municipalities. Do you know what is the best infobox for a defunct township such as Hyde Park Township, Cook County, Illinois?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

You watch my page, so I will respond here if you don't mind. I will look into it, I might think Township Geobox like the others would be the best to go with, but let me see.--Kranar drogin 02:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I hope that was what you were looking for Tony cause there really isn't a prescendent on them.--Kranar drogin 02:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Responding to your post

I hope to add more bands that have played at On the Waterfront in years past. Any photos you can add would be greatly appreciated, and would greatly enhance this article. I live in Loves Park, but unfortunately will not be attending the festival this year. I have also edited the article for Cherryvale mall, but so far have not added any pictures.IG-2000 03:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Young at Heart

I forgot to mention that I will be adding a Young at Heart (festival) article probably tonight. Any assistance with editing it would be helpful. IG-2000 03:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Geo box

Thanks for the geo box at Hyde Park Township, Cook County, Illinois. Do you know anything about creating images? We may need a user created image to replace the one at Community areas of Chicago (also used in South side (Chicago), Hyde Park Township, Cook County, Illinois, and 1700 East 56th Street). How could someone modify something like Image:US-IL-Chicago-CA41.GIF?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Marion Township, Ogle County, Illinois is a great example. Something like that with the three maps would be tremendous. One for each community area and then a general one would be great. Even just a general one would be of great assistance.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
P.S. You can follow along with our candidates at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago/COTW/Good_Articles. Next week, Chicago Marathon will be our first simultaneous WP:GAC and WP:FLC nominee. It may be too text heavy for list, but we will apply at both.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the infobox. We are probably going to need a new image for it. Hopefully, we can get some from next month's race.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Chicago community areas map

I have been directed to a commons community area map that I have readded at Hyde Park Township. I still liked the other one better. We are not as desparate for a new image now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit complete

Illinois Freedom Bell: copy edit done.

A few notes. It said "bell metal," I changed it to bronze, which is correct according to the infobox. I moved some stuff around, did some basic flow editing, reworded some awkward stuff, etc, general copy editing fixes. In addition, I cut the external links section because it was unnecessary considering the link is in the infobox, and references. I added a couple wikilinks, added some conversions for time and measurements, and removed most of the wikilinked years and decades, they are really unnecessary unless it provides good context. Generally you should link all full dates like so: July 4, 2098, that way, user preferences work. : )IvoShandor 11:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Appreciation of continued excellence

Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
Your continued excellent service to WP:Illinois and WP:CHICAGO are greatly appreciated. Both projects would sorely miss your absence. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Great Chicago Fire Images

They are almost certainly in the public domain. Scan, post and notify.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


I have requested assistance.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on a query for it. I'll try to get it done by tonight, but if not, then tomorrow night. I'm also working on processing some photos of the Hesper (shipwreck) that I took this weekend. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 01:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I have some query results for you at User:Elkman/Cook County NRHP. The raw query output is at this link -- it prints out the Wiki markup for your query. The results may not be perfect -- I'm just using the first significant year listed, and some of the building names are subject to spelling changes or the usual Wikipedia disambiguation. Still, it's a reasonable approximation. Let me know if this works or if you want me to tweak the script. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I did the query for Gallatin County, and the results are at User:Elkman/Cook County NRHP (which is now misnamed, but I'll leave it as-is). Does this format match the format you're using for your page? If not, let me know and I'll tweak it. If you need other counties, I can change the generator so it'll accept any county name and make the page based on it. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The rest of Illinois (Greene County through the end) has been done and can be found at User:Elkman/Cook County NRHP. I also tweaked the script so it would wikilink the years. One thing I noticed is that the script (and the underlying database, really) have ambiguous links, so it will be necessary to disambiguate them just like we need to do with the state lists. Henry County Courthouse pulls up the listing for Indiana, for example, while St. Mary's Church pulls up a rather lengthy disambig page. Oh, and the Stone Arch Bridge listed in Jersey County actually links to the Stone Arch Bridge in Minneapolis. (It's a nicely designed bridge and is now very popular with pedestrians. But I digress.)
As far as bulk-stubbing goes, Ebyabe did a bunch of bulk-stubbing on the Florida articles, and Paultyng did some stubbing with NrhpBot on a number of Ohio articles. I'm not sure I like the idea of bulk-stubbing, because it doesn't provide a lot of information beyond just the bare facts from the NRHP database. On the other hand, I have perhaps 20 or 30 NRHP properties in Minnesota for which I have pictures and some rudimentary information, but that I haven't started yet, so maybe stubbing them would help out in that area. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 02:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

New Cats

Thanks for all the new cats.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Illinois Freedom Bell

Updated DYK query On 11 September, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Illinois Freedom Bell, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--++Lar: t/c 23:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey hey

I fixed up that freedom bell article if you didn't notice, added several independent sources. Also have recently completed two IL NRHP article, Main Street Historic District (Tampico, Illinois) and Plano Stone Church. With those two on DYK I will have 98 total DYKs! Goin' for 100, tonight after work. Woohoo! IvoShandor 18:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, about the list, I am not sure county is the most useful information we could display, maybe something different. Have we considered separating the Cook County list, and going for a simultaneous FL listing with List of NRHP in Illinois and List of NRHP in Cook County IL, we could get with the Chicago Project (gasp) and see where it goes. They already have a couple FLs under their belt, so it may be beneficial. Anyway, just a few thoughts. Hope the changes I made in Freedom Bell are a-okay. IvoShandor 18:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank You!

Many thanks for the suggestion on working over the school pages. I will take a look over at the article you suggested, and try to keep things moving in a positive direction. LonelyBeacon 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: NRHP query

I'm going to reply on my talk page, since having it in two places is starting to get confusing. Feel free to watchlist my talk page. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 03:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


I tried to patch up the template a bit. Although Chicago does not have diagonal addresses, like Washington DC does, there are some streets that run on headings that are not on the north-south/east-west grid. We call these diagonals. How do you want to handle them? Speciate 10:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

What I really would like is one of those maps that actually lets people click on things and be taken to the article. I've been meaning to work on that for my next big project, but I have been snowed under at work. As for the template, I'll look at it again later; I'm up way too late. Speciate 10:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


Do you have a program that aids you in doing them? Tell me how you're doing it, seems to be in alphabetical order. Speciate 05:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't have admin priviledges at work to download AWB, and since I don't have a computer at home, there is no way I can use AWB. Sorry. Speciate 22:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


Thanks. I am going to set up Category:Chicago lists right now. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually I am going to close that category and go with Category:Chicago-related lists.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hyde Park Township GA

Thanks for your editorial assistance. You may want to place the following somewhere:

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Inactive template

I don't really do template writing. But I bet the folks at the Wikiproject Council can help ya. I'd go there and ask on the talk page. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 04:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Maps of McDonough County, Illinois

Hi Kranar,

I landed on the Tennessee Township McDonough page on a random wikipedia tour, so I took Image:Tennessee_Township_McDonough.PNG and made an svg version. Because I don't have access to the map that you used as your source, it is a bit rough in the middle. If and when you have time, you might like to download inkscape and fix it up a bit. It should also be easy to use it as a basis to svg-ify Maps of McDonough County, Illinois. --Slashme 09:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Citifront Plaza III

It seems the article has been WP:SDed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Award for you

Chief Black Hawk3.jpg Chief Black Hawk Certificate of Alliance
I IvoShandor bestow upon thee, Kranar drogin, this certificate of alliance in the name of Sauk Chief Black Hawk for your meticulous work on Black Hawk War related articles, towns such as Waddams Grove and Buffalo Grove owe their articles to you, your research assistance has been highly valued as well. Thank you. IvoShandor 11:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

IvoShandor 11:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Image categories

When you create an Category:Images of XXX, Illinois category be sure to make that category of both Category:Cook County, Illinois and Category:XXX, Illinois.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 14:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)