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I saw you were soliciting opinions on the roads fork and was wondering whether you're interested in mine. For context I am the "one person who is trying to destroy our entire side of Wikipedia just on the notability side" mentioned in the TikTok video. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back: I am incredibly interested in speaking to you (wasn't aware you were involved at all). I definitely want to speak to you about this! Do you do Discord? I'm in the Wikipedia server (near the top of the list). –MJL‐Talk‐☖01:47, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't messed around on Discord in years... Also kind of philosophically opposed to doing interviews about wiki off wiki, I take an Audrey Tang style radical transparency approach to wikipedia and for me in this semi-anonymous form that means conducting wiki business on wiki. The big takeaway for me from that TikTok video is that it seems like we've been talking past each other, I hope interviews and third party analysis can help us all understand what happened here, why it happened, why it was so acrimonious (the one thing we can all apparently agree on is that feelings on both sides have been hurt), and whether there is hope of reconciliation. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back: Given the nature of the questions I have for you, I'd struggle to conduct a meaningful interview on English Wikipedia. If you want a public and transparent interview, we can do one on a livestream (like Twitch). I would even be willing to release the resulting video under a free license and upload it to Commons (assuming filesize permits). –MJL‐Talk‐☖20:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The roads topic area is almost comically low stakes, but not all of the topic areas I edit are (Palestinian-Israeli conflict, North Korea, human rights in China, the Taiwan-China conflict, contemporary American politics, American policing, cybersecurity, gender and sexuality, celebrity sexual assault/allegations thereof, etc). Maybe some day I will make an account for such communication but unfortunately I don't feel comfortable doing that today and I've already received death threats due to my wiki editing so not taking any new risks at the moment. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, is there any background you want? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Horse Eye's Back: That's entirely fair! Privacy is pretty important, and I always respect that. I've scheduled an interview for tomorrow. Is there anything you believe is important for me to ask them about? Any messages you want shared with the folks on the other side? –MJL‐Talk‐☖21:33, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The question I'm most interested in is whether people see this as two issues like the person in the TikTok video (there seems to be the presumption in the newsletter that everybody knows who this is but I don't) does or whether they see it as one issue. In the TikTok video they say that there are two issued here, sourcing and notability... IMO the sourcing discussion is a subset of the notability one, the issue isn't that we aren't allowed to use primary sources and newspapers its that primary sources and passing mentions in newspapers (which is all some roads have) don't count towards notability. The other question would be whether they also feel that the single word "typically" in WP:GEOROAD was the core of the dispute (note that in the video this generally vs typically conflict becomes ironically extremely clear). As for a message to pass on it would be that I understand that for them this was not an abstract policy discussion, I would be pissed too if I'd invested so many years into something only to have someone else question its value and I understand why all this outside pressure over the years has felt like other editors/the community at large questioning the value of roads articles. Thinking the project should have consistency across its topic areas doesn't mean that I'm not incredibly grateful for the contributions of those in the past, we stand on the shoulders of giants here no matter what topic area we edit (which I would note must not be very comfortable for the giant). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey MJL, forgive me for asking you directly because I do see you've stepped away from the project here, but I'm having a hard time getting a clickable button to work with a URL link and an embedded image and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at what I've scrapped together so far. Also, this is entirely for personal use so I understand if this isn't a priority for you right now. Thanks! MicrobiologyMarcus(petri dish•cultures)19:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's no big deal! The question was rather simple to answer, and it provided some new insights for me. Mainly, I have no idea how I would finish the merge if asked again. It's edge cases like this which gave me so much anxiety at the time I was trying. I just am not cut out for template work... –MJL‐Talk‐☖02:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Yeah, sorry. I did see you weren't a fan, but I figured you could always suggest a later move to Mike Johnson (speaker) when the flames died down [which would be a lot easier/simpler from Mike Johnson (politician) than Mike Johnson (no parentheses)].
@Pbritti: I much appreciate the barnstar! I spent a lot of time on this close (not just reading the discussion but checking everyone's links). The close ones are always pretty tough, but hopefully most people will be fine with it (since I think it reflects consensus well enough). Thank you so much!! :D –MJL‐Talk‐☖20:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. With respect to your close on the Mike Johnson move, I understand your arguments, however, I do frankly disagree and was hoping to talk about it. For starters, you noted that "Enough people on both sides of the argument did state their prefered second choice was to move Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician) away from its current title into, at the very least, Mike Johnson (politician). Others suggested alternative disambiguations, but (politician) was easily the most prevalent."
This does not seem justified. By my count, only three people out of the more than 80 who responded voiced support for the title "Mike Johnson (politician)". It's not a vote, but that definitely doesn't strike me as consensus.
Additionally, in my view, you did not accurately represent the central arguments of the "Support" side. For instance, you pointed to one opposer's argument that the supporters based their arguments in WP:CRYSTALBALL. Obviously I'm biased as the nominator, but this does not seem accurate to me. The central argument of supporters was that he is already inherently notable by virtue of assuming this office. I know that that argument does not jibe with John Bell (Tennessee politician), but that article has received comparatively zero attention from editors, so this argument strikes me as WP:OTHERSTUFF.
Let me know your thoughts. I have not contested a close before so I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I do take issue with the result in this instance. Best, Cpotisch (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cpotisch: Sorry, fell asleep and forgot this when I woke up.
With respect to my statements regarding whether Mike Johnson (politician) was a fitting title, I probably could've done a better job clarifying that there wasn't a strong consensus for any specific disambiguator, so I just picked the one most people mentioned as their preference. 6 seperate people explicitly mentioned (politician) as their choice while one person (Gråbergs Gråa Sång) was explicitly opposed to it. Though, upon re-reading things, I may have misinterpreted Steel1943's comment For what it's worth, I also oppose any disambiguator changes to the title, considering all other disambiguators suggested so far violate WP:PRECISE against "Louisiana politician" since the phrase "Louisiana politician" is not ambiguous in this case. That might have changed the decision a bit. I can amend the close to make it clear the move is based off weak consensus for (politician) and a proper disambiguator can be discussed at a later date (if that would ease concerns).
The only reason I didn't go with (Speaker of the House) instead was the fact it had so many variations floating around. (Speaker of the House), (speaker), and (U.S. House Speaker) were all in contention; but it wasn't clear which format was most prefered. Again, I figured it the desire was there, another requested move could be placed.
As for the other concerns laid out by Cpotisch...
So one of the confusing things about Wikipedia is terms have awfully specific meanings here. I don't think you mean to refer to WP:Notability but instead WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Likewise, WP:OTHERSTUFF is an essay about whether we should delete something. It doesn't really makes sense to cite it here because some stuff exists for a reason.
The reason we refer to primary topics here is because the standards for what we consider primary topics are different than notability. The criteria for that include a topic's long-term significance (not just its current usage). If an argument is being made that a subject is primary with respect to long-term significance by virtue of the subject holding a given office, then a successful counterargument to that would be prior office holders who are not primary topics themselves. –MJL‐Talk‐☖18:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the thorough reply. You definitely make a valid point about my imprecision in referencing certain guidelines and essays. I don't believe I was the one who pointed to WP:Notability, but yeah I completely misremembered WP:OTHERSTUFF. I'll ponder on this for a bit, as I am still somewhat inclined to request a move review (you make valid points, but I also feel like my grasp on the nuances of this process is tenuous enough that I'd want more input). But yours is definitely not an inherently unreasonable conclusion. Cpotisch (talk) 18:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response. I do agree that the discussion was a bit messy ... but as you seem to mention, there might've been a case for some sort of precise disambiguator (a point which goes against my own "vote"), even if it wasn't the one I stated. I'm at a point right now where I probably will not be the one to start the review, but if the review occurs, I will probably participate. (By the way, do not take this as me being ungrateful that you closed the discussion; contentious discussions are difficult to close, and someone had to do it. Kudos to you on that.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:40, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, but come on. A total of seven people even acknowledged the existence of the (politician) option. Depending on how you judge their responses, between three and six of those actually supported it. This is out of more than eighty who participated and more than fifty who supported the "Mike Johnson" title. It's not a vote, but something that >90% of participants never even discussed can't seriously be considered the result of consensus. Cpotisch (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At that arbitration case an editor, who I won't immediately name here but they are not an Involved Party, has in my opinion engaged in battleground behavior that includes bad-faith assumptions and aspersions. I can certainly provide multiple diff, but prior to doing that, could you tell me if there is a formal, within-case mechanism (perhaps in addition to notifying the clerks on their Talk pages) for reporting those concerns? Alternatively, do you suggest that I simply remain silent and let the arbitration committee consider, or not consider, such posts as they see fit?
Thanks for your help. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 15:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thanks again for replying to my inquiry about this. I still feel that it would benefit from a move review, but thanks for closing it, nonetheless. Cpotisch (talk) 23:46, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Someone moved Mike Johnson (politician) back to Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician). I tried moving it back, but it said the page "Mike Johnson (politician)" was already in use. Since you were the one that did the move in the first place can you fix it? Thanks. Alexysun (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see. First, I thought a move request was more formal and involved more of the "Oppose" and "Support" responses. Second, I want the article to be moved, but I was just expressing that there was too much pushback against the move for no reason. Alexysun (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexysun: It's not the real move request. For contentious stuff, it's best to try and get a sense for where people are at before a move request happens (ie. What should the options be). When it does occur, I'll be sure to notify you (and everyone else involved in that thread) about it. –MJL‐Talk‐☖21:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
hi! i noticed that the page for the mixed access template seems to be the same as the open access template page. i left a message on the article's talk page a little while ago but i thought i would mention it here as well since you're the creator of it :] i just am not sure how to fix it myself, lol. thanks!
@Eatingbugs: I believe you're referring to the documentation page for {{Mixed access}}? I never bothered to create one since it works exactly like {{open access}}. I suppose I should really fix it so that family of templates have their own shared documentation, so I'll do that now to avoid confusion in the future. –MJL‐Talk‐☖18:51, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Ahecht has created a fork of SiBr4/TemplateSearch, which adds the "TP:" shortcut for "Template:" in the search box, and updated it to be compatible with Vector 2022.
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To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
Dragoniez/SuppressEnterInForm stops you from accidentally submitting anything due to pressing enter while in the smaller box, and works on almost anything... except the InputBox element itself, used in subscription lists and the Signpost Crossword! Oh, the humanity!
Doǵu/Adiutor(pictured) provides a nice, integrated interface to do some twinkley tasks such as copyvio detection, CSD tagging, and viewing the most recent diff.
Eejit43 has quite the aesthetically pleasing scripts, all made in TypeScript.
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/redirect-helper(pictured) adds a much better interface for editing and redirects, including categorization, for which valid categories are dictated by /redirect-helper.json.
/rmtr-helper helps process technical requested moves without being able to actually move them.
Guycn2/UserInfoPopup(pictured) adds a flyout after the watchlist star on userspace pages that displays the common information you might use about a user.
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Hilst/Scripts/sectionLinks converts all section links to use the § sign, which are known to be preferred over the ugly # by 99% of the devils I've met.
PrimeHunter/Category source.js adds portlet links to tell you where a category for an article comes from and supports those from template transclusions.
Dragoniez/ToollinkTweaks adds more and customizable links next to users in page history, logs, watchlist, recent changes, etc.
Firefly/more-block-info optimizes the display of rangeblocks in contribution pages. Doesn't work outside the English locale of any wiki, unfortunately.
NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/AjaxLoader makes paging links (e.g. older 50, 500, newest) load without refreshing and makes you realize how slow your internet actually is.
Ahecht/RedirectID adds the redirect target to all redirects. For all the WP:NAVPOPS haters. (Do these exist?)
Dragoniez/MarkBLockedGlobal: Remember the "strike blocked usernames" gadget? Now you can use a red, dotted line to highlight rangeblocks and global locks!
Jonesey/common(pictured) has some styles to overhaul your Vector 2022 experience. It reduces padding everywhere, and makes the top bar animation faster.
Aaron Liu/V22 is a fork that narrows the sidebars instead of upheaving them, reverts the January 2024 dropdown changes, and restores the old page-link color for links that don't go outside the current wiki.
Nardog: SmartDiff is a spiritual successor to Enterprisey/fancy-diffs. It makes the page title part of links in diffs clickable, along with template and parser function calls. Unnamed parameters can be configured per template to also be linked. All links are styled based on the normal CSS classes of rendered links.
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To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
An easily configurable script to add a link to the #p-vector-user-menu-overflow portlet with a name, target, and icon. This one should be a relatively easier one. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy rotting away on Celeste (video game).
After the ＲＩＩＪ update, Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin has a dismiss button that allows you to mark an item as read in one click and cycle to the next Watchlist item.
Lordseriouspig/StatusChangerImproved is just like Enterprisey's script, except you select your status from a dropdown instead of cycling through them with a button. The WMF operates out of car-centric infrastructure anyway. Shame!
Aaron Liu has created Duplinks from Evad37/duplinks-alt; his fork adds a config variable to automatically highlight duplicate links on the loading of any page where the portlet link would've appeared.
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there is a situation in another wiki project, which is quite similar to the Kubura situation, with a right-wing nutjob running amok and making arbitrary decisions in violation of rules and similar stuff. I've already messaged MJL via Mail about this, but since he seems to be inactive for a longer time, is there any place or person that can be contacted, which is likely to respond? Thanks. --Mighty Wire (talk) 18:33, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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