User talk:Mathsci

June songs

some flowers and music for you, - you were around when I created my first article, and we enjoyed new music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back!! Aza24 (talk) 04:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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My talk page

User:RandomCanadian: please stop making edits like this {bogus AN3 warning). Johnuniq can follow edits like this easily enough if need be. But why should John waste his time? This is the third bogus report you've made.

When I wrote, Please comment on content not editors on Talk:Napoleon, you did the exact opposite. It is, however, part of a standard wikipedia guideline as my edit-summary indicated.

On Talk:Napoleon, you wrote ad hominem comments directed at me. Those comments were completely unrelated to the Napoleon talk page so were hidden per WP:TPG. (The same has happened frequently on Talk:Frédéric Chopin.) You unhid them twice and then you decided to post a bogus WP:AN3 notice.

On the other hand you knew because of my edit summary, that I was having "health problems"—in fact emergency services contacted me yesterday just before 6 am. Why did that not register with you?

If you sincerely think I have been edit warring, make a post at WP:AN3/EdJohnston and supply the diffs. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Johnuniq, there has been too much unsolicited activity on my user talk page, none of it making any sense. I have the right to remove any messages once read and have done so. I have left only what I've written myself. WP:AN3 warnings were added and then immediately self-reverted by User:RandomCanadian. Mathsci (talk) 20:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Alex, I have briefly read what you've written and am deleting it (to clear the air). When I mentioned Bonaparte family today, I placed two of them on my watchlist, because you told me to WP:FIXIT. You then made this edit[1], where you wrote, I have muted you, to prevent any further excess. All a bit weird, but hey-hoh ...

Because you previously sent me wiki-emails, I have your yahoo contact details. Hoping that you get into a better mood, sometime I'll probably send you a festive message through my principal gmail account (clavieruebung). I have listened to two of your live organ recordings on Commons and can't work out whether your performing style is French or English. @+ Mathsci (talk) 22:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mathsci: You should know that revealing personal information about other editors is strictly prohibited. Do not gratuitously mention names/emails of other people. You might also contemplate whether feuding is good use of your time and energy. Johnuniq (talk) 23:48, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

On my "email this user", mathsci.wiki@gmail.com, I have received very few emails. One from a French group in Oxford University requesting a private interview about WP:ARBR&I: Maunus and Doug Weller are the experts fro SLPC, so I was a no show. Two other have been a mathematical editor and a retired musician. I know nothing at all about RC, except from his global edit history and that he edited as an IP.

Some have pushed for a sort of French Revolution, "guillotining categories". It has had a mixed response from editors and admins. Many are participating. Friction has resulted when the Great and the Good are examined. (I mentioned Germain Greer and Barry Humphries amongst writers and comedians without much effect.) There has been more heat than light.

My long scale edit plans continue, particularly related to Xmas music. When you pinged me, I was in the process of preparing audio files for BWV 248 II, the second part of the Christmas Oratorio. And I am contemplating partially completed sections on Advent/Christmas chorale preludes from the Orgelbüchlein, I still have a lot to write and hope that my energy levels are OK.

My feeling is that the discussion of Nicholas Wade and the Titanic caused multiple crossed wires. A seemingly innocuous topic, but ... Mathsci (talk) 02:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

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Study for the Madonna of the Cat

In this edit, you present a drawing as being located in New York. According to the sources I consulted, it would have been bought in New York (as indicated by the Bodmer Foundation) by the heirs of Arthur Pollen before joining their collection in London (see this BM link, in the "Curator's comments" section, search for "ii. London"). That's what I indicated in the article in French.

I may have misunderstood something, or if you have sources that contradict my postulate, I would be grateful if you could let me know.

Awaiting your response, thank you for your work on the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Braaark (talk • contribs) 20:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

@Braaark: Bonsoir ! Thank you very much for that information, particularly about the private owner. I'll add it. (I had worked out that Larry Feinberg had moved from CUNY in NYC to become director of the art museum in downtown Santa Barbara, California.) Lord Clark and others have written quite a lot about the cat drawings; your comments will encourage me to add that. BTW I've spent quite a lot of time in France; I lived in Aix-en-Provence between 1999 and 2013. Mathsci (talk) 20:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

It saddens me that I don't have much time left to devote to Wikipedia. I will study your contributions more carefully when I find the time; they could allow me to enrich the French article (which I was considering revamping).

France can be a beautiful place to live for a lover of the fine arts, but like everywhere else, artistic culture tends to be concealed in favor of capitalist culture.

Thank you for responding to me so quickly and kindly. I will follow developments in the English article with interest.--Braaark (talk) 20:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

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Double group

Thank you for your contributions. I am a little concerned about the list applications. As far as I know the only one is in magnetochemistry. If you know of any others, please add them to the article or let me know on my talk page. Once the deletion tag is removed I intend to to fill out the article with details from the books by Cotton and Tsukerblat. Petergans (talk) 10:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

@Petergans: I am not sure about your questions. Do you still have access to online university [library] facilities though a proxy? On mathscinet, a mathematics resource, it's easy to find articles and books on the topic. Also, using online book resources (search for "bookos" on google), it's easy to download pdf/djvu books. Bethe's work on character tables of the 32 crystallographic groups dates back to 1929; he translated it into English in his selected works; it covers the whole of double groups. Cotton writes,

The beginning of all three theories can be traced to the year 1929, when Hans Bethe published his classic paper entitled "Splitting of Terms in Crystals." There are really two completely separate parts to Bethe's paper. The first is concerned purely with the qualitative consequences of the symmetry of the surroundings of a cation in a crystal lattice. In this part, Bethe showed that, in general, the states arising from a particular electronic configuration of an ion which are degenerate when the ion is free of perturbing influences must break up into two or more nonequivalent states when the ion is intro-introduced into a lattice. He showed how it is possible, using the methods of group theory, to determine just what states will result when an ion of any given electronic configuration is introduced into a crystalline environment of definite symmetry.

The books on "Group theory & applications" all cover double groups mathematically, as well as their applications using keywords from different scientific domains (including chemistry and physics). Mathsci (talk) 11:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Calabi lectures

Hi! I wanted to let you know that the 1994 lectures of Calabi at UPenn (the links to which you removed from Riemannian connection on a surface on 18 January 2022), from what I can tell, are still available at the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine: [2]. I currently don't yet know enough about the subject to justify re-adding them with the archive links, but since you have made substantial contributions to that article, I figured I should let you know about it here. Thank you, ReGuess (talk) 03:53, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. Thank you for sharing your profound knowledge of Bach's music! I decorated my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with Bach's works and his No. 1 especially today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Could you please use the added sources (at least once each), for BWV 56? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: please could you add references for the discography yourself, as it is not urgent? I had a 24 hour ambulatory blood pressure monitor administered for March 31/ April 1 (readings every 30 minutes), so had no sleep and am completely exhausted. Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Understand, and all the best for your health which comes first. - No, what I meant wasn't the recordings but that several references are unused (Whittaker) and marked as such, and just one use of each would look better. But do that when you are up to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the additions to the music! - I'll turn to the recordings now, first in the dedicated article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Can you please help to what "Antike Dichtung" is in English? My translator gives me "Antique poetry", but there's no such thing on Wikipedia, and "poetry of ancient Greece and ancient Rome" sounds clumsy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

That guy's nuts

See [3]. Thanks for your help. Raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Concern about an editor going through articles changing Jewish to Israelite. Doug Weller talk 07:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Comment

My comment on 0xDeadbeef's talk was only a passing remark on warning vandals (and opining on templating the regulars) — I'm a little confused by the opening of your reply though.. did you mean that you recognise my username from my vote? If you have any questions or concerns though, you are always more than welcome to ask on my talk page or email me — TNT (talk • she/her) 13:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

I was following SPI matters and knew about Tamzin's clerking; I mentioned that on User talk:Tamzin#Puzzled, where Tamzin mistook me for Mathglot. I followed the trolling/socking on the RfA page. On the evening of Sunday Bank Holiday I was asleep, so was surprised at what happened when the RfA was formally being closed; there was no reason for me to comment then (so "my lips were sealed"). As with Masterchef 2022, I was happy that the right person triumphed. Mathsci (talk) 14:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

"Suffering"

Hello, Mathsci,

Given this recent MOS discussion, it looks like Smasongarrison is correct in changing the word "suffering" to a word less emotionally fraught. It also looks like their changes are also supported by Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles#Careful language.

I appreciate you seeking to uphold the quality of content on the project but I don't think you need to be double-checking their contributions so closely and making unnecessary reversions over differences in terminology where you might hold a different opinion. There are so many more serious and problematic issues with articles to get into an edit-war over a word here and there and I'd hate to see things end up on WP:ANEW because of differing interpretations over the use of "suffering". You are both long-time editors and I'd like to see you continue to contribute, unhindered by conflict with each other. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Empathy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

@Liz: the edits to this article show that Smg was edit-warring with three reverts (click to check). The link[4] on Smg's talk page has the quote "The Acute Stroke Unit and the Lewin Rehabilitation Unit combine to make the Stroke Unit, caring for patients who have suffered a stroke." Somebody with empathy would have twigged that I had suffered from a stroke in that NHS Acute Stroke Unit (it happened while I was editing WP:RSN at around 20:30, 29 December 2017); the use of the word "suffer" is standard in that medical context and here [for brain injuries], despite Smg's claims, which have no medical basis.

There are many cases where Smg is making edits in a bot-like way, comparable to User:Δ's edits. The edit summaries have an alphabet soup flavour, and, since they are run on some macro script, no thought has been applied. Taking self-esteem as an example, Smg decided to censor "suffer". However, in that place it appears as an WP:RS [5] with the title, "Does High Self-Esteem Cause Better Performance, Interpersonal Success, Happiness, or Healthier Lifestyles?". There are ten places in the journal article where "suffer" or a variant appears; there is no reason to tamper with phrases like, "The fact that most people score toward the high end of self-esteem measures casts serious doubt on the notion that American society is suffering from widespread low self-esteem." Indeed in this case Smg has not bothered reading the source or checking it. Their over-rapid editing shows that this is the rule, not the exception; and that they feel justified in making superficial edits without reading the WP:RSs. In their recent edits to Sleep deprivation, Sleep apnea is listed and the word "suffer" is used in a medical way without any negative connotations.

I have verified that Smg has not made any substantial content edits anywhere on wikipedia after just under 40,000 edits. That is surprising but true; since new articles kept appearing, in alphabetical order, it was easy to check. The edits all seem to be based on macro scripts which often result in errors. Random diffs show why this method of script-driven rewriting is unhelpful[6] "Social connectedness also plays a large part in overcoming mental afflictions such as drug, alcohol, or substance abuse." --> "Social connectedness also plays a large part in overcoming certain conditions such as drug, alcohol, or substance abuse." The change makes not sense as the word "mental health" is used often.[7] Smg has not checked the source. In addition Smg has now edited Race and intelligence so will receive the standard WP:ARBR&I notice (that has already been previously explained on Smg's talk page, but Smg has taken no notice). Mathsci (talk) 08:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Nonetheless, we even have WP:SUFFER to the Medrs section that says to avoid using it. Johnbod (talk) 13:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Yep. The people to ask would be real medics like MastCell, Jfdwolff, etc, who are all less active than before. Mathsci (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think there's much doubt that medical opinion is to avoid it. Try finding it on the big medical sites - NHS, CRUK, Mayo etc. Johnbod (talk) 14:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

For the Royal Papworth Hospital next to Addenbrooke's there's an NHS guide[8] which uses the word "suffer" of its variants 8 times. And here's another pamphlet from the Royal Papworth[9] which states, "Designed by clinicians with patients in mind, the new hospital building will support Royal Papworth staff to deliver excellent care to patients suffering from heart and lung disease." Mathsci (talk) 15:28, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Here's another report from UCL Hospital[10] using "suffer". I was treated there in 2012 (I edited from inside The Heart Hospital on 4 October 2012). Mathsci (talk) 15:37, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

IPs and edit summaries

Attempting to connect a user to an IP, especially when it contains additional geographical information, is a form of harassment and is not appropriate. Please do not do it again. Primefac (talk) 05:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@Primefac: Hi. From 2016 onwards, as shown in the edit-history of Orgelbüchlein and in Talk:Orgelbüchlein/Archive 1 and Talk:Orgelbüchlein/Archive_2, there have been edits from one fixed IP targeted at my edits: in Archive 1, they acted to close discussions; and in Archive 2, User:Johnuniq and User:Softlavender gave direct advice to them. Through edits to Bach cantatas and Lutheran hymns (sometimes using direct lilypond coding), the transition to registered account has been known on Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Music; it was indicated publicly on 20 June 2020. In early 2021, I received unsolicited emails from this editor on my wiki "email this user" account; I normally do not use that account, having previously used my real name gmail account, which I still use for regular editors, administrators and [former] arbitrators (Doug Weller, Drmies). Independently, without my knowledge, a mathematical BLP was created on me in 2018 (that year I was admitted to hospital 13 times for stroke-related problems in Addenbrooke's Hospital, following a stroke while editing wikipedia on 29 December 2017). That BLP has links to the University of Cambridge; and also to my relative in Glasgow, who might have taught you at some early stage. I have no idea why these edits about UK elections are being made; I knew the Cambridge MP Anne Campbell because her husband Archie was a fellow fellow in my college. As far as Nobel Laureates are concerned, Cambridge is a small place so contacts with laureates, their relatives and friends are not infrequent (Todd, Meade, Perutz, Salam, Ramakrishnan, Josephson, Penrose); likewise in Aix (Kastler). Mathsci (talk) 08:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think Primefac was looking for an explanation. Instead, I believe the point of their message was that regardless of the background, whatever was in the edit summary that I haven't seen should not be repeated. Johnuniq (talk) 09:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: Yes and thanks as always for being so direct and helpful (e.g. 13 December 2021 here on this page). Regards, Mathsci (talk) 10:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Britain First edit

I think there may have been some misunderstanding regarding this edit. I changed "The British Prime Minister, Theresa May ..." to "Then British Prime Minister, Theresa May ..." because at the time the sentence is describing (2018) she was the Prime Minister, but she isn't anymore. Simply stating "The" Prime minister could confuse people not in the know into thinking she is still the current UK PM, when she isn't. Therefore its correct to say "then" PM. Helper201 (talk) 18:12, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Please use Talk:Britain First, not my user talk page. In the whole article, "the prime minister" (Cameron, May, Johnson) is used with a definite article. The section Britain First#Facebook account refers to 2018. In the first paragraph, starting "In March 2018," it is clear that "the prime minister" was May and "the mayor" was Kahn, hence two definite articles. Mathsci (talk) 19:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56 discography

On 4 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56 discography, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the first recording of Bach's Kreuzstab cantata was a 1939 Dutch live broadcast sung by Mack Harrell, 25 years before the 1964 German recording by his protégé Barry McDaniel? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56 discography. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56 discography), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Notice of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor_Mathsci_deleting_my_comment. Thank you. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 11:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

• Not my thread, to be clear; posting on behalf of filer, who is not autoconfirmed. And who is now indeffed, for that matter. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 11:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

UK

Hi Mathsci, I'm happy to wait for the outcome of the CfD before continuing the conversation about adding the UK article to the category - I won't argue with you in edit summaries! But would be good to discuss on the UK talk page if the community decides to keep the category. If consensus is to delete then the point is moot :) SamWilson989 (talk) 10:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I am completely neutral about this. In the past and more recently I've heard or watched BBC reports on the sheep farming community in Patagonia, which were fascinating. I have also posted two sheep-related images. Mathsci (talk) 11:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Lol I'm glad to hear it - I'm not fussed either, just wanted to give it its fair hearing. Ta, SamWilson989 (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Notification

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. D.Lazard (talk) 11:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Including you in Wikipedia:Notable people who have edited Wikipedia

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I was planning on adding you to that page given your statements on ANI (I haven't done it yet). But since well, it was ANI of all places where you said that, I feel like I need to ask you if you're okay with being listed on WP:WWA. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:28, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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Site ban

Per the consensus from the Wikipedia community, you are site banned from Wikipedia. The banning policy explains how to appeal a ban; however given the strength of those calling for it, I would suggest it is unlikely that any appeal would be successful for a considerable period of time, if at all. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Bon courage

Hi, Mathsci. I've been sorry to see things unfold at AN/I. I didn't feel I had anything helpful to add, in either direction, as someone who's only interacted with you briefly; but our interactions have been pleasant, and, without attempting to critique that discussion's outcome, I'll miss seeing you around. One thing I learned, through the AN/I thread, is that you and I were once neighbors. Well, maybe that's a slight exaggeration, but I lived in Aix as a child, '04–'05 school year, and it was one of the happiest years of my life. If you were in town that year (as your biography suggests you were), we may well have walked past each other on the street without any sense that we'd later meet on a project that, at that point, had only just been transferred away from Bomis. So I feel a certain Aquisextain kinship.

I wish you the best in life away from this wiki, whatever may come. Good luck and bon courage. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 09:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

May I echo what Tamzin has said. Doug Weller talk 19:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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