User talk:Moosh88/Archive 1

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Welcome!

Hi Moosh88, and a warm welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you have enjoyed editing as much as I did so far and decide to stay. Unfamiliar with the features and workings of Wikipedia? Don't fret! Be Bold! Here's some good links for your reference and that'll get you started in no time!

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Oh yes, don't forget to sign when you write on talk pages, simply type four tildes, like this: ~~~~. This will automatically add your name and the time after your comments. And finally, if you have any questions or doubts, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Once again, welcome! =)

- Mailer Diablo 15:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Zvart.jpg

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed you Image:Zvart.jpg to Zvartnots Airport. However, you might not be aware of Wikipedia:Copyrights? If the image can be placed on Wikipedia, please indicate that the image page. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Burgundavia 05:51, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Armenian names

Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base. So a short article saying "Vigen is a moderately popular Armenian name" or something similar is not really very helpful. --Henrygb 23:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Armenia on Template:Europe

Why do you keep putting Armenia on the template??? You are warned several times. Please DO respect the poll on the discussion page. Maartenvdbent 09:13, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Moosh88. I believe we may disagree with you on many issues regarding politics and history. But on one thing our interests and viewpoints match, and that is Armenia's inclusion in Europe template. As you probably noticed, I have voted in favor of Armenia's inclusion in the template, along with Georgia. I believe that these two countries *should* be listed along with Azerbaijan in the list of the European countries and their omission is an unfortunate error.
However, I would call you to avoid reverting, because, I believe this hurts your own position and most importantly, it may cause counter-reaction on part of other editors who would just resist Armenia's (and possibly Georgia's) inclusion in the template just because they do not like your actions.
I would suggest you to start a new topic in Template talk:Europe and convince people that Armenia should be listed in the template, just like Azerbaijan, Turkey, and Cyprus. You should try to convince them that it should be listed not because "it is unfair not to list Armenia while listing Azerbaijan" (very simplistic and unconvincing argument), but because Armenia, just like Azerbaijan, and pretty much like Turkey and Cyprus are *European* both in terms of its contemporary political affiliation and culture. If you initiate such a discussion, I am prepared to support you as much as I can. --Tabib 09:40, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
I completely agree with Tabib. I am also in favour of the inclusion of Armenia, together with Georgia, but we must do it with the right procedure. What also is frustrating is that you keep putting Armenia on the template and you don't do that with Georgia, which is arguably more European in some grounds. Maartenvdbent 17:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
This is full and complete nonsense: no one can vote to change the geography. Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, etc. are not located in Europe and, for this very reason, these countries cannot be viewed as European countries, no matter how many people will vote for this.65.148.145.22 00:28, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That is not true. Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey have some of there territory in Europe. Turkey has so according to ALL sources (Britannica, CIA et cetera), Georgia and Azerbaijan according to some of those reliable sources. Cyprus is not European according to geography, but it is considered to be because it has a culture more similar to Europe than to Asia and it is a member of the European Union. I agree that Armenia has no territory in Europe, but it is considered Europe often. See Europe article. Maartenvdbent 11:17, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Be nice

I saw the comment you left on User talk:Coolcat. That wasn't particularly nice. Even if you don't like what another person is editing, please avoid making personal attacks like that. →Raul654 18:19, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Your Knowledge of History is Limited

Just as the title says, from what I've seen you say it seems like you know very little. So I'm asking you to please stay out of historical discussions which you know very little about. Putting things which you found on a google search doesn't impress anyone, except mental midgets. - Unisgned Moosh88

On wikipedia you cannot ask people to leave out of discussions. Your knowlege of Wikipedia:Wikiquette is non existant. History is open for interpretations. There are always at least two different versions. Thats one solid thing in History science. Cat chi? 22:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vilen and Armenia

Alright, two quick things to address here:

First, the issue of Vilen, incase you didn't see my comment on the talk page, there was a consensus reached on the issue of whether to include Vilen at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Vilen and you even wrote a comment. Hence, the article should be removed as per community consensus.

Second, I agree with you on the fact that Armenia should be considered a part of Europe. However, your excessive rudeness is not needed. Remember, we're trying to be a community here, not a bunch of squibling idiots who need to hurl insults at each other just to get an opinion accross. Just remember the golden rule (yes, i know its cliche, but work with me).

Otherwise, I hope to see you as a great contributing member of Wikipedia someday! Just remember to try to keep the emotions/passions on the low down. Sasquatch′TalkContributions 03:49, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)


Re: Vilen

Well, first, the other given names deal with a specific movie/album or something, or contain complex etymologies, or provide a list of famous people with that name. Pokemon, though annoying, have a degree of notability to them as the names are unique to Pokemon and may have origins or at least can be expanded on much more than just a given name. Also, having given names would allow for an ginormous amount of articles (think of the Chinese given names, or Indian given names, or Russian given names). All given name articles need to establish notability in the world. Also, could you sign your comments with four tildes (~) see WP:Sig. It just helps people to identify whose posting these comments without having to go back to search histories. Thanks. Sasquatch′TalkContributions 04:02, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)


Re:Re:Vilen

Well, i would suggest trying to add to the History of Armenia as it seems that's a topic your intrested in. Overall, whenever i learn something new or get bored, i just surf around and find things i know about and add to them. And remember, nobody's perfect so it's okay to make bad edits once in a while. Some users have even yelled at me! lol. But yea, stay cheery, follow the community rules and just enjoy Wikipedia! If you have any further questions, go ahead and ask me (although i'm pretty new at this too :-S)Sasquatch′TalkContributions

More Vilen

The question still remains do we really need a Vilen article? Although it is a common armenian surname, perhaps it belongs more on the armenian wikipedia as it does not meet the English wikipedia requirements for notability... I know it must kind of sucks in your opinion, but we all have to comprimise sometimes. HOWEVER, if a Vilen becomes notable enough (say an emerging artist, actor, politician, etc.) to deserve his own article, then the creation of a Vilen given name page could be useful as a redirect toward that. But for now, just work on other things that need more attention. Sound good to you? Sasquatch′TalkContributions P.S. Basically, the current names act as disambiguation pages, while Vilen does not.. yet... however, if it can act as a disambig page someday, please make it so!

Disambiguations

See Wikipedia:Disambiguation, basically, a page that directs users to other pages that would fit it.. for example, see Bob as a almost perfect example. So if anybody/thing comes to be known as just "Vilen" as a nickname or somethng, that would justify a disambig page, or a sort-of-redirect page like Rick. Sasquatch′TalkContributions

And your also right, people do argue over trivial things and start edit wars. As a reponsible member of Wikipedia, we try to avoid such things. One arguement i got into recently was at Talk:R2-D2 over wheter he was male or not :-S anyways, the purpose of wikipedia is to reach a consenus opinion, a compromise agreeable to both sides (as i eventually did in the R2-D2 case...) but yea, so basically, make logical arguments when your making your case, don't be rude to people, don't revert another person's edit without first discussing it in talk and remember, the administrators are here to help as a final solution. Sasquatch′TalkContributions

How to add article to a category

I have responded to your question on how to add an article to a category, see Category talk:Ancient peoples. Hope that helps. Cheers. --cjllw | TALK 04:31, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

I'm going for admin!

Hello my Wikifriend! just wanted to tell you that I have been nominated for Adminship at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Sasquatch. Any votes would be appreciated! Thanks =). Sasquatch′TalkContributions 07:00, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Please put comments on talk pages.

I'm glad your're going to add your sources to Teishebaini. But please add discussion on my Talk page, not my user page. And the name is Jesse(account: JesseW => real name: Jesse). JesseW

On the article

In response to [1]

For a while, I've been trying to figure out what I actually think of the article, so I could reply, but my thoughts came out empty. This is probably because it's difficult to take the article seriously. It's easy for a person to theorise about the motivations of governments and about the type and sphere of influence of various lobbies. In reality, things are a lot more complicated and there are a lot of factors in any government action that may not be obvious, and some can be illogical or random. A non-journalistic opinion piece that presupposes its conclusions and does not give arguments contrary to its stance is dangerous to believe in any case. In any case, however, I think the recognition of the genocide is one of the smaller problems of our nation, given the corruption, emigration, quality of life, economic recess, Nagorno-Karabakh, income inequality, state of infrastructure, and other issues faced by Armenia. --Aramգուտանգ 12:39, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Greetings Moosh88

Anshousht Hay em. Karogh es inds het kapnvel ays hasceov: --Eupator 03:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks I got your e-mail, I took it off so others couldn't see it.--Moosh88 03:55, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

History of Azerbaijan lead and new content

Hi, Moosh88. I am afraid that the lead for the aboevmentioned entry is far too lengthy. Would you be able to better distribute its content throughout the article so we can arrive at a propper lead? Also, please review the uncited additions of 207.200.116.68, which I have reverted, and evaluate their merit and/or reintegrate them into the body of the article. Thank you in advance. El_C 03:08, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

More help sought

Hi again, thanks for all your help, and I need more of it, if you can spare the time. Can I have a your opinion on Hamshenis. Many thanks. El_C 10:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Starship Troopers

Hi. I saw your edit to Starship Troopers. I'm curious: who's the Armenian character? —JerryFriedman 00:27, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


I haven't read the book in ages, so I don't recall his name, but I think it was the guy who didn't get along with the turkish soldier.--Moosh88 06:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Hm. I reread it recently, and I don't recall any two soldiers not getting along. —JerryFriedman 15:26, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi there

I'm new here at Wikipedia and I'm Armenian as well. Gah, it posted my IP. I'm user:Milou ge. 24.205.14.16

Yet more help sought

Hi, Moosh88, I hope you are doing well. It dosen't appear this is a language you are fluent in, but I thought I try anyway to see whether you find the contributions of 69.149.37.75 to be legit. I'm at a loss, and probably oversuspicious. Alas, here goes! Thanks. Cordially & sincerely yours, El_C 02:33, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

History of Yerevan

It would be great if you could expand on Yerevan's history section. Milou ge 02:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

BCE/BC/CE/AD

I noticed your edit here, and thought I would point you to Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Eras, which states that "Both the BCE/CE era names and the BC/AD era names are acceptable". See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk#Principles, which states that "When either of two styles are acceptable it is inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change." See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Jguk#BCE-CE_Debate, which states that "An extended discussion was followed by a vote which was evenly divided leaving the existing policy, both styles are acceptable, unchanged." As such, I have reverted your edit to the Rome: Total War page. —Simetrical (talk) 00:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

R. Daneel Olivaw

IIRC, Daneel appears in F. Fear (as Demerzel), F. & Chaos and F. Triumph. Are you sure he appears only two books of the trilogy? --Perfecto 14:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

He doesn't appear in Foundation's Edge. So no he is not in all of the newer Foundation books, but he is in more than just two. So the article could say some like "he appears in all of the newer Foundation books, except for Foundation's Edge"--Moosh88 03:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

You're right he doesn't, but F. Edge is not part of Second Foundation Trilogy. Visit the article and see which book is part of which. :) --Perfecto 04:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Template:Philosophy topics RfC

We have a content dispute issue. Please comment on the talk page. This message is being sent out to everyone who didn't vote Delete in the last TfD of the template, ie: User:SimonP User:Jules.lt User:Pjacobi User:thames User:Michael User:Christopherparham User:FranksValli User:Silence User:Andymussell User:Moosh88 User:Rick Norwood User:Izehar

Urgent deletion issue

Hi, I created the Philosophy (navigation) template, and I voted for saving it too (as an IP). However, when I duplicated the template to adopt a new tag name, Infinity0 had a cow. We've been in an edit war since I started the template, and we escalated our battle to TfD, which was a big mistake, for now the whole project (both templates) is at risk because some people are voting to delete both. Meanwhile Infinity0 and I are voting to delete each other's TfD candidates, ironically pushing the delete votes for both templates into the majority. We need your help. Neither of us want both templates to die.

Here are the reasons to choose the "Philosophy Quick Topic Guide" tag:

  • Both templates are identical, as changes are ported after each round of disputes, to keep them that way. We've nearly come to a compromise on the few edits that we are still at odds over, but Infinity0 is one stubborn kid. Our competition has improved the template continuously, which is a good thing.
  • The conversion of the old tag to the new tag is complete.
    • The new tag has placement in Wikipedia articles. It is hooked in to the top level of the Philosophy hierarchy, and then some.
    • The old tag has virtually no placement in any Wikipedia articles. It's discussion page link sits on a bunch of users' talk pages, and that's about it. And since I placed most of the old tags, it didn't seem out of place for me to upgrade them.
  • Since the content of the templates are identical, and the fact that jousting will continue on whichever template wins, it makes sense to vote for the one that maintains the project's presence on Wikipedia.

Please vote to save the template: click here. For further discussions click here

Go for it! 04:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Re: Urartu

"Even more" is unsubstantiated. The analogy is there to make the article simple. If it was "even more" I wouldn't have added it in the first place. The analogy is also applicable because in all three cases A is IE, B is non-IE.--Eupator 21:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I know why you added it. I don't think it's appropriate. We cannnot say it's one and the same, we can only speculate.--Eupator 04:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand your question. We can only speculate because we have no contemporary sources regarding the ethnic makeup of the region. Not even one. All we know is what language was used to write in cuneiform, a language related to Hurrian (perhaps its derivative) and that's not Armenian or even Indo-European nor were their names for the most part. See Argishtis I of Urartu for a possible IE etymology though. --Eupator 21:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Your response had absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote :)

Մենք արդեն իրար գիտենք, հիշողությունտ ո՞նց ա:--Eupator 05:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Parev

Thanks for the hello. Good to see you here, and hope to bump into you as we expand this wiki! :-) --RaffiKojian 07:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello

It's Armenak from the forums! :-) Hakob 01:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. I've mostly concentrated on geography (cities like Dilijan, Gyumri, etc.) but I can contribute to history as well. I have quite a decent collection of Armenian History books. 24.205.27.237 04:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
It's in the best out of the bunch: Armenian. Hakob 05:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Sasha Ogata

This article has been deleted as it made no claims to notability per the guidleines for inclusion for humans. If you have references that provide evidence of such, just ask me and I'll restore the page for you so that you may add them. - brenneman{T}{L} 05:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:
That was inconsiderate of you to delete the article without notifing me first. Anyways, she fits under the notability guidelines as she has appeared in many magizines, has a fan base, and name recognition. So, do restore the page and I'll add the relevent info.--Moosh88 07:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I think you'll find that by notifying you of the speedy deletion I was actually giving you a good deal more consideration than many would have. Would you prefer if restored in your user space where you can work on it or restored in main space with an AfD nomination on it?
brenneman{T}{L} 07:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I've restored it to User:Moosh88/Sasha Ogata. Once you've got it up to a level that you think passes the guideline, move it out into main space or drop me a note and I'll do it for you. You should be aware though that the bar for glamour models is very high in that AfD tends to treat them with brutal disdain. - brenneman{T}{L} 08:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Glamour models

Afd goes feral when they think they see advertising. Porn "stars" get savaged for this reason, but then usually a few people charge to their defence based upon "wikipedia not censored for minors" or somesuch. The pseudo-porn industry falls into the gap - too "advertish" for most people, not "adult" enough to get defended. Drop me a note when you've got the article up to what you think is the level that will survive a nomination and I'll have a look at it and tell you what I think. - brenneman{T}{L} 04:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

  • I'd put in the exact volume of the magazines that she's appeared in, with links to the relevent online version where they exist. As it stands it is no longer a speedy deltion candidate but would be highly unlikely to survive an AfD nomination.
  • I also note that it appears you've done a cut and paste move from the userpage version to the mainspace version. This is very close to the top of the "worst things that you can ever do" list. It breaks GFDL as it loses the page history and is very difficult for an admin to clean up after if more than one person has edited the page.
  • I'm going to re-delete the new version and you can move the userspace version into main space by using the "move" tab. Then you should tag the re-direct left behind for deletion. If that's all too much stuffing around, let me know and I'll do it for you.

brenneman{T}{L} 04:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Katie Couric images

You need to give the sources of these images otherwise they may be deleted. Image:Katiecouric 019.jpg, Image:Katie+Couric+177.jpg Thanks Arniep 23:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Yerevan Metro

The article which your colleagues started has received quite an impulse from me, can I ask you to check the translits and maybe expand? --Kuban Cossack 00:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Azeri POV pusher(s)

Hey Moosh, you may have noticed that I haven't been involved in many Armenia-related articles recently, which is because I currently don't have a lot of time to spend on Wikipedia. Since constantly monitoring pages, looking up sources to support almost every single statement, and replying to extensive talk page discussions takes up a lot of time, I've chosen to spend the little time I have on purely non-controversial additions to Wikipedia. If I ever find myself with a lot of time on my hands, I will certainly help in monitoring and NPOVing Armenia-related articles, but for now, I'm afraid I can't help you. Also, I'm sorry to disappoint, but I'm not an administrator, so I can't protect pages, you should take a look at Wikipedia:List of administrators instead. Good luck. --Aramգուտանգ 21:31, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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Copied from my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 23:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I didn't quite understand what info you need for the Yuko picture that I posted, can you please elaborate?--Moosh88 22:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Well you claim that the copyright holder have released all rights to the photo and agree to let anyone use it for anyting. What makes you say that? Where does it say that the image is not copyrighted? You see unless the copyright holder have actively released all theyr rights to the image it is in fact fully copyright protected, no copyright notice or anyting like that is required (sadly it is a common misunderstanding that anyting without a explicit copyright notice can be used freely). Even if the copyright holder have agreed to let people use the image for private or non-commercial purposes the license tag you put on it would still be inapropriate as it says there are no restrictions on it. If you want to use this kind of images here I'd suggest reading Wikipedia:Fair use and see if your use of the image meet our fair use criterea instead. You may also find this helpfull (still work in progress though (feel free to suggest improvements on it's talk page), and don't take the title personaly). Hope this answers your questions, I realise these things are hopelessly complicated at times. --Sherool (talk) 23:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Copied from my talk page. --Sherool (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. So what tag do you think would be ok for the image, and what restrictions do you think the image has? I really apriaciate your help!--Moosh88 23:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Well in the absense of any kind of explicit release info we have to asume the image is "all rightrs reserved", in this case I would think a {{fairusin|Yuko Aoki}} tag along with a fair use rationale for that page might be acceptable though. Read Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale to get an idea of what you need to include in your rationale to justify using the image in that article. Some more info on the origin of the image would be nice too, I doubht the site you link to actualy hold any rights to the image. --Sherool (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Help needed

Hey Moosh, would you be able to help me out by reverting User:-Inanna- on the Adana page? I'm not asking you to get into a dispute, but I was just wondering if you could do me a favor. After that you don't have to revert.

Basically, a bunch of Turkish editors are trying to delete information about the Adana massacre and adding a paragraph about how a large number Turks were killed by Armenians. Of course they haven't cited any neutral sources. --Khoikhoi 08:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, she's been warned a billion times. Check her block log. Hey, don't give up! I've been having to deal with nationalist POV-pushers for as long as I can remember. Yesterday, I was reverting three of them at once - one Turkish, one Greek, and one Georgian. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
The only way to get a user banned is to file an ArbCom, something that I'm honestly too lazy to do. I don't think they're a huge problem right now, I've encountered worse. I think I already know all of them that there is to know, but you can inform me on any that I'm not aware of. :) I know Baku87 from a long time ago, he's added Azeri POV to articles pretty much forever. BTW, I don't think Adkagansu is a POV-pusher, and I honestly believe that he's just trying to make these articles more neutral. --Khoikhoi 04:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, some of the editors that have been pushing their POV are User:-Inanna-, User:TuzsuzDeliBekir, User:Hybridlily, and User:Metb82. This is simply my experience. Yeah, Baku87 isn't new, but he doesn't edit that much. --Khoikhoi 04:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I disagree with Khoikhoi about Adkagansu. It seems to me that he has been editing the Mount Ararat page in a very intolerant manner. He tears down a photograph that is better than the one he provided, then he reverts hard fact, not POV - that there is unhappiness among Armenians about Ararat belonging to Turkey. If you are pursuing him then good luck. Viewfinder 09:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I note that Khoikhoi has deleted the Avitya photograph (I have restored it). This suggests that Khoikhoi and Adkagansu are acting together and that Khoikhoi's view of Adkagansu is biased. I am primarily into topography, not history, so I cannot really comment specifically on historical matters, but I think you should take this matter to a more senior Wikipedia source. Viewfinder 00:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Just rechecked and discovered that Khoikhoi has thanked me for restoring the Avitya photo, so maybe I am wrong about the above mentioned acting together, but I still think you should take this to a more senior source. Viewfinder 00:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Who the hell are you? Khoikhoi? How can you say you know me while I never even heard of you? All you do is spread fake stuff about me, grow up! Baku87 16:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)Baku87

I don't know who the above post is referring to, me or Viewfinder, in either case, it's you (baku87) that needs to group up and stop spreading your hateful POV.--Moosh88 21:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey Moosh, just thought you wanted to see this. --Khoikhoi 01:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
No problem! BTW I notice there's been a revert war happening on the Khojaly massacre page. Is there still a lot more that needs to be done to the article? --Khoikhoi 03:56, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but I'm already in whole bunch of other disputes, try reporting things to an admin if things heat up. As for Baku87, I warned him about personal attacks. If he does it again, I suggest you immediately talk to User:InShaneee about it. --Khoikhoi 04:12, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


Count me aboard

Sorry for the belated response but I didn't realize we had to put our names on the page. --MarshallBagramyan 18:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


On Khojaly

Perhaps my comments were not clear enough but although I affirmed that both sides' stories exist to some extent, equally, additional information must be added. Where I find it most lacking is the response by HRW in 1992 and the background information such as the siege of Stepanakert. Obviously much more information has been revealed since then including the death of the man who videotaped the aftermath of attack. Further questions arise from the wildly swinging casualty rates proposed by the Azeris from as little as 150 to nearly several thousand. With that said, I have my reservations of what actually occurred but have taken into consideration statements made by the commander who organized the attack against Khokaly, Sarkisyan, who hinted that many of the men came from Sumgait and Baku, locations of Azeri pogroms. This was also corroborated in Markar Melkonian's book My Brother's Road on his brother, Melkon Melkonian, who expressed his anger over several soldiers who took part in the attack and possibly massacred women and children. I doubt some large scale massacre took place at the scale the Azeris continue to promulgate every year (civilians killed in the crossfire, freezing to death while fleeing the city, etc.) I'm a bit skeptical to rule out the deeds of some "bad apples".

There was a report in Izvestiya in Feburary 1992 on the offical, detailed Armenian version though I am having trouble finding it. If you find any discrepancies in what I've said, point them out and I'll reconsider them. Here's an interesting quote I found by a member of the Sakharov Foundation who traveled there in the aftermath:

"All the evidence that we have indicates that the recent Khojali massacre (of Azeris by Armenians) really took place, although it appears that the numbers being given by the Azeris are widly exaggerated. (estimates have varied from a few hundred to a few thousand). It should be remembered amidst the international expressions of horror at Khojali that (Armenian) residents of Stepanakert are dying every day under rocket barrage from (Azeri) positions in nearby Shusha. Is it worse when people are killed all at once than when they are picked off a few at a time?" - David Leopold US human rights lawyer

ONLY INTERNATIONAL FORCE CAN PREVENT AN ALL-OUT KARABAKH WAR' Walter Ruby/MOSCOW. Jerusalem Post. Jerusalem: Mar 17, 1992. pg. 05

With regards, Armen--MarshallBagramyan 02:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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Sorry for the late reply

I won't take part on the Wikiproject: Armenia, because I am planning one about the Armenian Genocide with various articles. BTW, Sedat Laciner is on Wikipedia contributing under two different usernames. Fad (ix) 20:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey Moosh - I'll keep an eye on him. (not stalking, of course, just to check if he makes any POV edits) I have no idea who he is, but from his contributions I don't think he thinks very highly of Kurds or Armenians. --Khoikhoi 23:33, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Interesting. Anyways, take care. :) --Khoikhoi 23:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

NPOV issues

Bagratid Dynasties

Welcome back!

Wikibreak, eh? BTW, you left the message for Armenicum on his user page, not his talk page.

I tried to fix your user page, but I reverted because it's not mine to mess with. What did you think of it? —Khoikhoi 00:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Alright, done. —Khoikhoi 00:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, actually, I already did. Can you please help me out on Abdullah Öcalan? Some user keeps adding a POV category. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 01:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm talking about the terrorist categories that Metb82 keeps adding. All the best, —Khoikhoi 01:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Armenicum needs help

Thanks for your message in my talk page. I have a question. None of the pages I created can be found when I search for them even if I search them by the name of the page. Why is that?

Thanks, Armenicum

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Thanks! --evrik 19:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hey Moosh,

Baku87 has been going around changing all instances of a discription of Armenian control in NK to "occupation" (check his contributions, pages such as Lachin and Khojali). Can you please help me out here? The more neutral term is control. Thank you. Khoikhoi 18:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, sounds good. Cheers, —Khoikhoi 04:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW, perhaps you could review this edit and make sure it's neutral, thanks. —Khoikhoi 04:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Also, look at this. It's a blatant personal attack. ("you must be Armenian" and "biased dolt") but apparently I should let that kind of crap stay up for everyone to see? This is just going to bring up hatred at Wikipedia. What should I do? —Khoikhoi 04:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

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Re: PAs

Hey Moosh. Thanks for the advice! Cheers. —Khoikhoi 04:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

FYI...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Massacres. —Khoikhoi 16:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem! —Khoikhoi 00:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

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I see that you appear to have an interest in Sedat Laciner, which I don't, so this AFD may be of interest. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Country survey for Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia

Which country do you live in specifically (I'm doing this so I can include a flag next to your name on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia participation list). -- Clevelander 20:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

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Armenia

Looks like we are getting closer to a compromise, you can check in on the poll here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Walton_monarchist89#Straw_poll-Armenia

thanks,

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We are lacking an Armenian Dance picture big time

Just look at this "Azeri dance???" picture that they put in like 10 pages man!! Even an August 2006 article in Wikipedia MAIN PAGE they put Azeri dance which is "OUR" dance. These pages Armenian_dance, Culture of Armenia, Armenia#Culture, are lacking an Armenian dance picture. Please get one and put it. Akhtamar has given persmission. Akhtamar.org Image:Azeri_Cultural_Concert_Rotterdam.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razmikk (talkcontribs) 20:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

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Please add more to the article than just the galaxy was named after him, or it is possible that someone will try to delete it. DGG (talk) 05:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

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  • Hi - I am putting this here in case there's trouble later. Please accept this tireless barnstar thing for all of your wiki-activity. Thanks. User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:08, 11 May 2007

  • Hi I am leaving you with this barnstar for you to reflect carefully on. I will provide the citation in a few days once you have had the opportunity to consider why I might think that you deserve it. Peace User:Dr Spam (MD) 16:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Well done for all of your fantastic editing / writing: you are obviously a genius of our day, shining like the brightest barnstar against a dark barnnight in these new and difficult wiki-times. I therefore award you the surreal barnstar (I can't get the other barnstars to work properly - my apologies.) Please note that you have no right to remove the barnstar, for it is sacred. LEAVE WELL ALONE! Many thanks.

  • awesome contribution to this web site! have a lovely barnstar thing User:Dr Spam (MD) 12:01, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

  • cool editing
  • Awesome
  • Cool.
  • I am awarding you a surreal barnstar because you obviously deserve it! Keep up the good work - don't slacken off, it'll get harder before it gets easier!
  • Hy my cat (the fat white one) is awarding you this barnstar of diligence because he doesn't eat fish either. He just likes to eat biscuits - or so he says. But how then does he get so fat????

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Nominating articles for deletion

Hey, thanks for trying to make Wikipedia a better place by helping remove articles that might be unfit for keeping here. However, it looks like you had improperly formatted your entry. When you create a full AfD, remember to follow all the steps outlined at Template:AfD footer, okay? Happy editing! GlassCobra 04:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Just so you know, your nomination of the article counts as a delete vote; you don't need to put up another. Thanks. GlassCobra 04:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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Nairi and Naharin

Contrary to a popular opinion here on wikipedia, these words are merely cognate. They have the same root, but not the same meaning. They refer to two different regions on different sides of the Tigris. Thanatosimii 17:26, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


Canvassing

I've rolled back your blatant canvassing. Please review WP:CANVASS to see what is and isn't acceptable. --ST47Talk·Desk 23:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Use of the word "vandalism" assumes bad faith. Such is not permitted on wikipedia. Please be civil. Thanatosimii 04:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's not. Thanatosimii 04:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't constitute vandalism, nor incivlity. There are seperate rules as far as when and how to revert goes. Thanatosimii 05:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
No, it doesn't constitute incivility or vandalism, because that is not how wikipedia pages define the term. Thanatosimii 05:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I have no such expectation. I am editing in no unreasonable manner. Thanatosimii 16:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

the points you are bringing up (in particular, armenianhighland.com) have been discussed many times. If you want to revisit the topic, please familiarize yourself with article histories (in particular, the story of Ararat arev (talk · contribs)), and the processes described at Wikipedia:Consensus and Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Stubborn reverting will not result in the revision you prefer, and will at best get you blocked from editing. regards, dab (��) 06:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Warning

Due to your edit patterns, Remedy 2 of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 shall now apply to you. Remedy 2 of the case reads: The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 08:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Arm. Articles

All right, Moosh, I will take a look. I don't promise much, as I don't have time. Take care.--TigranTheGreat 20:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Honestly...

I have been far to busy lately to respond well to your request. I apologize for not letting you know. You might want to reach out to a larger audience to be sure you get some useful feedback. My apologies, Kukini hablame aqui 01:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

you can look through Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. There isn't some magic process that will allow you to enforce coverage your material in spite of everything. Fringe opinions presented as fact will not be permitted to figure on Wikipedia no matter what. There is a possibility that you can discuss fringe material if you can establish its notability, see WP:FRINGE. In your case, you might make a case for presenting your material at Armenian nationalism, if you can show that it has either been noted in peer-reviewed publications, or garnered significant attention in popular media. What you will not be able to do is insert claims like "the Hurrians were Indo-Europeans" just because you can link to a geocities.com page that states as much. dab (��) 10:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I recommend working through the above link from Dbachmann. Kukini hablame aqui 21:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Blocked

You are blocked for 24 hours due to the failure of discussion your reversions. Furthermore, you are page-banned from all articles related to the RfAr case for 2 days. - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 01:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

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Request reason: "I would very much like to know why I am being blocked for correcting the anti-Armenian edits made by user dbachmann? If you look at the number of articles related to Armenia and even Azerbaijan that he edits, it is more than most ethnic Armenian and Azeri editors do, yet he has free reign to do whatever he wishes without a limit being placed on him, as there is one on the Armenian and Azeri editors. I don't believe it is fair, nor does it contribute to the betterment of wikipedia articles, especially relating to Armenia, it's people and their history. I just ask that if dbachmann can make as many edits relating to Armenia (many erroneous) and not be blocked, then the same right be granted to me."


Decline reason: "Please see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Note that dbachmann's edits are irrelevant wrt whether or not your block should be lifted. However, it may also be appropriate for that account to be blocked. If so, please report to WP:AIV or other appropriate forum once your block expires (or, say, in the future). Important note: You are banned from editing any of those articles for two days, as per Penwhale's note above. I just wanted to make sure you saw that so you did not accidentally violate this. Note that the problem here is the general edit warring commonplace on those articles. Normally, editors are given much more latitude, it's just these particular articles are a hotbed of conflict and so more extreme measures have to be taken. — Yamla 16:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)"

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Note also that you were warned over a month ago[2] about this. dbachmann was not under supervision as far as I could see which is why you were blocked for violation. --Yamla 16:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I would be content with the limit and block placed on me and other editors if the same rule were fairly applied to all, i.e. dbachmann. I will for sure see to it that he is also placed on the list of editors who must adhere to the Armenia-Azerbaijan Arb 2; he is not immune from it cause he is an admin.--Moosh88 18:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Horthy

Please note that Miklós Horthy was not of Armenian origin. Maybe you thought on Ferenc Szálasi who really was of Szalozsján (Salosian?) family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koppany (talkcontribs) 07:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Ferenc Szálasi was of Aromanian descent, but only partly. He had also Hungarian, German and Slavic ancestors. --Koppany 10:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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It would appear to be a magazine scan or possibly a video still. Megapixie 13:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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Image copyright problem with Image:S300.jpg

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Image source problem with Image:Armenian Mi-24.jpg

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Fair-use rationales

Please see WP:FURG for how to write a fair-use rationale guideline. --Yamla 19:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Removing tags

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armeniapedia.org

armeniapedia.org specifically states that all content is copyright Raffi Kojian and that all rights are reserved. This is very different from GFDL. This means that Wikipedia cannot use any of the content of that site here except under fair-use and that specifically, Image:Meghri town-dcp7322.jpg is not available under the GFDL and must be deleted. --Yamla 20:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Raffi has an account here, and he said it can be used, thus it should be kept. Contact him and ask if you do not believe me.--Moosh88 20:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Please have him alter the page on armeniapedia.org stating that that particular image is licensed under the GFDL. That would be sufficient. --Yamla 21:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA block

You once again violated 1RR (as per Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2) by these two reverts on Template:History of Armenia: 1 and 2. You are blocked for 48 hours as a result and must refrain from editing any article related to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, or Iran for one week. That one week topic ban starts immediately, not after your 48 hour block expires. This has been noted on the RfA page. --Yamla 20:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Note that this is appears to be your third block for violating the RfA, though I may be miscounting and it may only be your second. After five blocks, the maximum block time extends to one year. You still have a long way to go before hitting that limit but I urge you to start complying with the RfA immediately. --Yamla 20:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Ed Iskenderian

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Recognition of the Armenian Genocide

Hi, I've had to undo your edit on that article. If the UK felt that the UN Convention rules could be applied retroactively to the Holocaust but not to the Armenian events, that doesn't make their non-recognition of the Armenian events unjustified, because the Armenian events and the Holocaust are very different. Runningfridgesrule (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi I just received your message (I'm on holiday, so I haven't been using Wikipedia a lot lately). I've actually studied the Holocaust at school, and I know for a fact that the Armenian events don't involve fascism, nationalism, racial supremacy or anything else linked to Nazism. Sure, the Holocaust is a genocide, but it is a very unique event in that everything is linked to the ideology of National Socialism (or as most people know it, Nazism). I find it very stupid of you to be judging me immediately just because I'm Turkish, and that could arguably be considered as a form of racism. So what if I'm Turkish? That's no excuse to be undoing my edits and giving articles a biased angle. At least try to be neutral, please. Runningfridgesrule (talk) 11:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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This edit to the page User talk:Runningfridgesrule is a breach of the Wikipeidia Civil Policy specifically "Using derogatory language towards other contributors or, in general, referring to groups such as social classes, nationalities, ethnic groups, religious groups, or others in a derogatory manner". If you are uncivil again expect that your account will be blocked for a time. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 21:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

From My talk page
Why did you put a warning on my talk page on oct. 26th? Your reason was that I was uncivil on a talk page, when I looked at my comments I saw nothing offensive. Maybe you should warn the user who denies the Armenian Genocide--Moosh88 (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I would have thought my explanation was explicit enough but "O I just saw you are Turkish, so it makes sense that you would deny the Armenian Genocide, just like neo Nazi's deny the Holocaust." Comparing Turks even indirectly to neo-Nazis and is a breach of "Using derogatory language towards other contributors ... [by] nationalities, ethnic groups, ... in a derogatory manner". See also Godwin's law. Please bare in mind that the talk pages are there to help editors work towards a consensus on the text of articles, and consider if such a posting to the talk page of User:Runningfridgesrule makes it more or less likely that (s)he is more or less likely to reach a consensus with you?
As to your last comment, lack of civility is not something which is justified by quid pro quo, but in this case see User talk:Runningfridgesrule#Warning--PBS (talk) 11:13, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


File copyright problem with File:Armenian Mi-24.jpg

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Unreferenced BLPs

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Nomination of Martiros Kavoukjian for deletion

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Mousasi and his nationality

Hi

I changed his nationality to the Netherlands since that is the place he is billed from and is fighting for. I know that he is ethnic Armenian, but if you watch any Dream event you'd see the Dutch flag and him being Dutch national. In his last fight during Dream 16, they even played the Dutch national anthem for the Light Heavyweight title bout. So the correct nationality is Dutch, even if he might be ethnic Armenian. For example, Melvin Manhoef is also Dutch national, but ethnic Surinamese and born in Suriname, Giorgio Petrosyan is ethnic Armenian too but is representing Italy. So could you please stop reverting/editing it, since he is obviously representing the Netherlands. If you don't believe me, watch any Dream event, or even better, watch Dream 16 and see the Dutch national anthem play for Mousasi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.133.224 (talk) 22:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

It should be what the event portrays him as, not a facebook page. If Dream portrays the Dutch flag, Dutch national anthem and calls him Dutch, isn't that enough to write that he is Dutch on the Dream event page? BJ Penn also loves to bring out the Hawaiian flag, or Tito Ortiz the Mexican, that doesn't mean we should edit their pages/event pages to portray that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.133.224 (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

And Mousasi is born in Iran, not even Armenia. What is your point? I already gave other previous examples of Manhoef and Petrosyan. I am deleting my user talk page because I am fed up with people lik you being all patriotic and trying to portray everything in the way you want. He is billed as Dutch from both Dream, EA Sports MMA and several other sources, yet you and some other people want to take it personal and revert it back to Armenian. I do no longer want to discuss this, have it your way. I was only trying to portray it the accurate way from what I've seen and from an unbiased perspective. As I said, I don't care anymore since some (obvious Armenian, I guess you are too) people always revert it back to Armenia. Go and edit Petrosyan's profile too for all I care.

Goodbye. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.133.224 (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


The issue at hand does not involve patriotism at all. Have you looked at Badr Hari's or Gokhan Saki's pages? Both are in the same boat as Mousasi yet they are representing Morocco, and Turkey respectively. Wikipedia strives for unanimity in these types of issues. I am more than willing to discuss this in a clear headed manner.--Moosh88 (talk) 23:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Peter Vosbikian for deletion

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Thanks

Շնորհակալություն Barnstar-ի համար Մուշ88. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Cheers. - Fedayee (talk) 20:25, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Artsakh Air for deletion

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Falsifactions on Karabakh Khanate

Azerbaijan didnt exist before the 20th century, yet they keep changing the info from Karabakh Khanate which was during the 17th century-18th century to Azeribaijani instead of the Qajars of Persian dynasty. Please help out to revert and restore the reliable sources they keep vandalizing. Thanks. 75.51.167.26 (talk) 14:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem bro. I'm the same guy here, I have a dynamic IP internet service. There is also vandalism from [3], who removes just about any mentions of Armenians, like this one here in Mount Nemrut -> [4]. He also removes reliable sources from Orontes I (Orontes II)[5] (see also Orontid Dynasty recent IP vandal blocked 2 weeks ->[6]). There is also [7] , from Kingdom of Sophene, any mention of Ararat with Urartu is always removed. Same in Neo-Assyrian Empire, they locked the article for mentionings of Urartu/Armenia , Urartu/Ararat(Armenia) etc. [8] <-- I was not putting it in every "mention", and here is the source: From Shalmenaser III's Black Obelisk mentioning of "Arame the first King of Ararat (Urartu) as an "Armenian King" --> reliable source here: ->[9]. Thank for helping out bro. 76.238.246.114 (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

If you have time also, can you take a look at this [10] <-- they removed once again even just a simple link I put to Armenians (in Safavid Dynasty of Iran with Shah Abbas I moving some Armenians to Nor Jugha), and "Azerbaijani" (or Azerbaijan country) people didnt even exist at this time which is even an earlier time from the Karabakh Khanate even. I'm trying to find sources to point to the "Iranian/Persian" origins of this dynasty that is not supposed to be any Azerbaijani mixed ancestry during this time in the 16th-17th centuries. 76.238.246.114 (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I found some of the answer on this Safavid Dynasty, -> "Extant religious poetry from him, written in the Old Azari language[35][36] – a now-extinct Northwestern Iranian language – and accompanied by a paraphrase in Persian which helps their understanding, has survived to this day and has linguistic importance.[35] This is an Iranian language, not even Turkish or Azerbaijani Turkish! "It was the dominant language in that region before it was replaced by a Turkic language, now known as the Azerbaijani language[4]." The Azerbaijani Turks are trying to distort the history claiming ancestry of this dynasty in the 16th-18th centuries AD. The other link that points to them as ancestors of the dynasty is also a broken link [11] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.255.108 (talk) 02:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

There is some other user now changing those articles including Karabakh Khanate again. And if you look at the earliest info of the Safavid Dynasty it says nothing about "Azeri Turks", it says Persian/Iranian dynasty. Here is the info now in the article From the evidence available at the present time, it is certain that the Safavid family was of indigineous Iranian stock, and not of Turkish ancestry as it is sometimes claimed 76.246.26.39 (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Albanian rule?

The sections name should be changed t[12] o something else, perhaps era of Mesrop Mashdots. Somthing to do with him or Amaras church. 76.250.11.185 (talk) 01:27, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Please watch these articles I mentioned above

They continue to vandalize the Karabakh Khanate article [13] , here was the RS's that was put here, and every few weeks or months they change it, and now the page has been locked for a few days. Please help out to put back the reliable sources provide for the Qajar dynasty. 75.51.171.39 (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

"Bad faith edit"

I do not appreciate my restoration of a reference or referenced information regarded as a "bad faith edit"[14]. If you have a problem with the Croissant reference or my edit, I would appreciate the use of talk page instead of a snide remark in the edit summary. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Likewise; if you're going to accuse users in good standing of a bad faith edit, do it to our face. We were reverting a banned user, and I will revert you for putting it back in a bad faith fashion (and yes, I am saying it to your face). If you want to own up to the edit, fine, claim it - but don't do it because of others. If you continue to edit war based on a poor-faith premise, I can quite well assure you you don't be doing it for long. --Golbez (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
No reason to get hostile. As for saying to their face, I wasn't aware that is wikipedia policy. I put it in the comments section, and from what I understood by looking at the history section it seemed Azeri POV pushers were at work, and KansasBear either knowingly or unknowingly helped them out. Now you can look at my time here at wikipedia and you'll see overall I have tended to keep my nose clean and not edit war or treat wikipedia as a battleground. Good day.--Moosh88 (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
I get hostile when I'm accused of bad faith editing. It's not Wikipedia policy, it's how-not-to-piss-off-Golbez policy. I apologize if I was a little brusque, but you DID accuse us both of bad faith without any statement backing up said accusation. --Golbez (talk) 21:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Do not take it so seriously. Like I said, there was an edit war going on with verman1 and he had edited multiple articles. I did not know who was actively supporting him either willfully or thru ignorance. Regardless, I assumed Kansasbear had at the very least made a mistake by putting up Azeri POV. If I was wrong sorry but I bet you two can understand how easy it is to mistake legit editors for Azeri POV pishers since Verman1 had posted on multiple talk pages, i.e. canvassing, asking for help to further his agenda. I am not trying to bad mouth any editor(s), so if you feel like you were wrongfully targeted sorry, but again, please try to look at it thru my eyes.--Moosh88 (talk) 09:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Armenian POV pushers as well, I was trying to offer advice to one who moments later turned out to be a sockpuppet of a banned user. --Golbez (talk) 16:29, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Armenia national image

Hi Moosh88, the image seems to violate one of the wiki rules concerning copyrights and I don't have more detailed information on this, probably Hammersoft would clarify the issue, so ask him about that. Regards. --Avdav (talk) 23:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC) "Will a new image be put up soon?" Don't know, even if it will it has comply with all of the rules, otherwise should be deleted again (I guess). --Avdav (talk) 23:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

User Avidus

Can you please watch this [15] user keeps vandalizing Armenian related articles. 76.237.10.27 (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

What seems to be the issue? He does not seem to be in line with some of the more recent Azeri POV pushers.--Moosh88 (talk) 00:34, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The POV pushers are not only Azeri Turks or Turks as you know. This user I mentioned here is claiming that the Yervanduni (Orontid) Dynasty is not Armenian but rather Persians. Here is the source from the Orontid Dynasty page -> The Yervanduni Dynasty-A. Richard Diebold Center for Indo-European Language and Culture, which clearly says Orontes I (Yervand I) is an Armenian satrap. I also noticed that the names Yervand and Yerevan are very similar, and I dont think that is a coincidence, they are both Armenian words/names. He is trying to change the info mainly about Orontes I, claiming he is Persian and not Armenian. The picture of Orontes I is directly from armenianhighland.com, and this person knows it and purposely is trying to falsify our history. Please watch this user [16], he always is removing the Armenian info from the Orontids, which is even after the Urartu/Ararat times. Now they are trying to put our history even more to a later period, after the Orontids, beginnings from Artashesian. Orontes I is an Armenian, and later as an ancestor to Anthiochas who built Mount Nemrut. And also earlier Mitanni ancestors of Armenians are linked with Orontids. That is why Orontes I here was satrap of Matiene, which corresponds to our name Mitanni. Alright Ill wait for your response. 76.232.255.71 (talk) 06:20, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I will keep an eye on it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. We have had problems with Iranian ultra nationalists claiming Armenians as 'Christian Iranians' in the past and therefore adding nonesense to a number of ancient Armenia related articles.--Moosh88 (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Gegard Mousasi

The current consensus regarding flags on the BLPs of MMA fighters is that we should follow the guidelines of MOS:FLAG. Per MOS:FLAG, flags should be discouraged from being added to articles where a person isn't specifically representing their country in some sport, such as the Olympics. There was (and still is an ongoing) discussion over at WT:MMA regarding this issue that you're welcome to join in on. Right now, I believe the issue is that no one has come up with a valid argument to go against the Manual of Style for Flags in regards to why flag icons should be kept. Currently, the best argument is, "Because they look nice"..... and while I agree it's nice to be able to just glance over and see where a fighter is from, it doesn't particularly add anything to the BLP and it isn't truly "needed". And being that I'm a "less is more" kind of guy, I'm going along with the current consensus which is, to remove all flag icons. Hope I was able to explain it to you, but please read the rather lengthy discussions regarding this issue at WT:MMA to get a better idea. Dachknanddarice (TC) 15:21, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. It seems silly to war over something like flag icons and wether we capitalize "(Punches)" or "(punches)", but whatever. I'm just doing whatever is considered the consensus at this time, and at this time, flag icons and capitalization is a no-no. Dachknanddarice (TC) 18:35, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism on Orontid Dynasty

I thought you were going to watch out of these pages? There was vandalism again on [17] Orontid Dynasty page. This time its an Azeri Turk, from what his contribs edits are showing. He changed the heading to "Persian dynasty", and it was like this for hours bro!. We cant allow this to happen, this guy was banned for 2 weeks! Right when he returned he changed this info to "Persian dynasty"! Bro, please watch these articles that I mentioned. If you cant please let Kevorkmail, MarshallBagramyan or these other users know about it. 76.246.27.46 (talk) 18:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Kansas Bear has joined in this issue and supporting the 2 week banned IP vandal?? Also Satrapy of Armenia page is same issue now.[18] Provide the Xenophon and Moses of Chorene sources, which both mention Tigran Yervanduni as the Armenian king of Orontids, which was the ally of Cyrus the Great. Both mention this, thats a powerful fact on this. Also mentions Xenophon's sentence there mentioned in the beginning first sentence of the first paragraph in the Orontid Dynasty page which mentions his source from Xenophon's book.

Can you watch the Karabakh Khanate article?

They keep changing and removing the sources [19] that was discussed in the talk page by User:MarshallBagramyan, User:Aregakn, etc. Please watch the article. Karabakh Khanate was ruled by Qajar dynasty, not the Azeri Turks, please watch for these changes -> [20] 76.237.11.45 (talk) 17:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Urartian language vandalism

There is also vandalism in Urartian language page, I added more sources to back up the language issues. I also put the Category Armenian languages which includes Urartian language inside the link, and this person is just vandalizing the article, and POV pushing, its no suprise the days and timing of his vandalism, as it is once again near April 24, we always see these kings of vandals around during these days. 75.51.161.194 (talk) 19:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Kansas Bear's behavior

I wrote some info on his talk page responding about the Persian cuneiforms and relation to Armenians, and he just removed my comments from his talk page [21], check his history of the talk page. Here is what I wrote:

"I want to clarify something in the Persian cuneiform records. Its almost universally agreed that the Persian record in cuneiform mentioning "Armina", refers to "Armenia". Its in that same form whenever it talks about an "Armenian", it uses that same form "Armin" <-- for the individual, and for the country "Armin'a". Those are the forms referring to the country Armenia and people Armenians, in the Persian cuneiforms."

This info is also for you to use, so in case you didnt know or aware of this, same goes with Dadarsi, he was referred to in the cuneiforms as "Armin" <--Armenian. Phoenicians8 (talk) 07:46, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

In response to the sockpuppet's accusations. I do not associate with sockpuppets, see:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ararat arev, which is why I removed his/her comments from my talk page. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Even assuming that Phoenicians8 is a sock puppet, you still should not ignore his/her valid points.--Moosh88 (talk) 21:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Valid points? I have yet to see any published evidence to support said sockpuppet's assertion. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it a fact. Hence why we have to use reliable sources. Not someone's opinion, whether stated here or on some website. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Watch User:Montyofarabia

This user keeps removing images in the Armenia page related to our culture, religion, and arts [22]. Can you watch for this also bro? Thanks. It seems there is so much vandalism, whe it comes to Armenia related pages. 75.51.175.220 (talk) 19:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Major POV and distortions in Urartian language page

Please revert those edits, that is complete distortion of the sources [23] they are providing![24] They are saying that, "Armenian replaced the former language Urartian in 5TH CENTURY AD!, before that they are putting it was territory of Urartu!, before 5th century "AD" <--AD ??? Please read the discussions and revert back to the stable original versions.

Here is the POV and major distortions:

It is Classical Armenian that emerges in written records in the 5th century AD as the dominant language of what had used to be Urartian territory.[5]

76.237.9.215 (talk) 22:56, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I've responded on User:Kevorkmail's talk page, where the same message has been posted [25].--Anonymous44 (talk) 00:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Khojaly Massacre in Armenia page??

They just added a section Khojaly Massacre in the Armenia article. I dont think that belongs in the article? And if it is even factual information to begin with. 75.51.173.222 (talk) 19:38, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Armenians article infobox

Can you revert Vahan from the edits he did changing the infobox? He has added a Turkish person, apparently of Armenian decent, and an unimportant figure to be in the infobox in the first place. It included Hayk, which he tries to give reasons to remove in the talk page, but Hayk is there because we Armenians call our name Hay, and country Hayk, from his name. There is no reason to remove him. 76.232.254.64 (talk) 23:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Name of Armenia

Can you revert the last revision that removed the references and is regarding the Akaddian record Armani, which in that page they are removing the link to Name of Armenia 166.216.226.23 (talk) 10:33, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Now on top of that, User Dougweller comes and removes further info from the page. The part that it even says "Further Speculation", he removes specifically the Egyptian record of "Ermenen" by Thutmose III of Egypt. (and you know why? he wants there to be a huge gap from the 2200 BC records to the 500 BC, when we have the 1400 BC in between these huge gaps of time, in order to not connect all of them as one and the same) It says speculation but he still removes it!? Please restore those records, there is even references and sources to that record. The previous user also removed referenced material regarding Armenians being native and not from Phrygia etc, that the IE colonies went westward from Armenia, not the other way around.

This is the record he removed, can you put it back?:

Another mention by pharaoh Thutmose III of Egypt in the 33rd year of his reign (1446 BC) as the people of Ermenen, and says in their land "heaven rests upon its four pillars".

And here are its sources/references:

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1915 [26]; Eric H. Cline and David O'Connor (eds.) Thutmose III, University of Michigan, 2006, ISBN 978-0-472-11467-2.

67.150.170.45 (talk) 17:56, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Please revert the last additions by kentronhayastan in Template:History of Armenia

Can you please revert kentronhayastan' last additions in Template:History of Armenia, he is adding incorrect dates to the template history. Those additions were never there, and its once again to distort the dates of history which in the first part is supposed to say 2400 BC-2200 BC, instead he chooses to be clever saying "until" 590 BC (making sure that he doesnt mention anything earlier than that date), and not in the same pattern with all the other dates that apply to those dates. 76.237.10.247 (talk) 19:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sanasar Oganisyan

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OK, you added a source, but that source is not an acceptable source for a BLP. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
What does that source say about him? His birthdate, his birthplace, anything about him other than the fact that he exists? The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Nelson Davydyan

Please stop adding unsourced or poorly-sourced BLPs. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 05:55, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

What is your issue? All of the people who have been added are people who's names already appear in the relavent articles on the wrestling world championships. Furthermore, none of them go into detail about the person, meaning there is no chance anyone can claim libel in there. It is a fact that these people won a medal and is supported by the websites that are used to create the world wrestling championships articles.--Moosh88 (talk) 05:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
My issue is your violation of WP:BLP. Please stop creating tons of unsourced articles and work on sourcing. Quantity is not better than quality. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 06:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
I agree that quality is more important. It is odd that you say that though because there are a number of articles on wikipedia which are poorly sourced.--Moosh88 (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Nelson Davydyan

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Proposed deletion of Benur Pashayan

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Proposed deletion of Oganes Arutunjan

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Proposed deletion of Valeri Arutyunov

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Proposed deletion of Levon Julfalakyan

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Proposed deletion of Alfred Ter-Mkrtychyan

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Vladimir Modosian

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Armenian wrestlers

In regards to Armenian wrestlers you have written, you need to provide reference. Just go to google and use the links as the source(reference). I helped you with two of them. Hovhannesk 4 August, 2011 You spent a lot of time on these articles. You might finish them up with the reference or they'll be deleted and your contribution would go in vain. 6 August, 2011

Proposed deletion of Vladimir Modosian

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Template:History of Armenia

Please give your reasons, explain to the user kentronhayastan to compare to the Template:History of Iran, and other countries templates as well, that they have dates that go even earlier to 3200 BC, 2800 BC etc. So give those and other of your reasons to leave the 2400 BC, and he just removes on purpose so that we wont have our earlier than 500 BC time dates. Please help out on this Moosh. Thank you. 75.51.165.162 (talk) 20:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Greater_Armenia_(political_concept)

Please revert user Takabeg from the Greater_Armenia_(political_concept), he recently removed important info from the lead [27] , stating that its nationalistic goals, and removing info regarding historic homeland, the Armenian Highland, of the Armenians from antiquity. You can obviously see the political agenda at removing this info from the lead. Please restore that info of the lead thanks. 75.51.161.198 (talk) 02:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC)