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Hi there. Just wondering if you have any connection with Gibraltar? Regards, --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 11:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, why? Rockysantos (talk) 12:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd noticed you'd made some Gibraltar-related edits. You may be interested in the below-mentioned project, we need more locally based Wikipedians! Would you mind also adding Category:Wikipedians in Gibraltar to your userpage? Thanks! :) --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 12:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Paloma Faith- Controversies

I do not doubt you mean well towards Wikipedia, however your edit to `Paloma Faith- Controversies` is irrelevant to said section. the mistake Faith made was not a controversy, merely a misinterpretation of rule and heritage in Gibraltar, leading to some being -unintentionally, on Faith`s part- offended. the definition of controversy is of a subject which many disagree on, and causes prolonged discussion. your edit does not adhere to the definitive requirements. also, within the quotation you added on your edit, you used incorrect grammar. If you meant this to be an exact quote, with bad grammar on Faith`s part you should add at the end of the quote `(sic)`, which means an exact, non edited quote. Paloma Faith is one of few artists we have who do not deliberately offend others. If you want to make edits on controversy, add them to other actually controversial artists- and make them relevant, otherwise your edit IS defamatory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CandidLibraryEditors (talk • contribs) 17:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are clearly biased on the matter, that is very clear. Her actions if deliberate, is a matter of opinion, the fact is she did it and offended a country in the process is a fact. The bad grammar is on her part but thanks for the information regarding `(sic)`, I shall try to use it in future. Paloma Faith is one of few artists we have, We have? not sure what you mean by that......clearly she is yours, lol.Rockysantos (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I am sorry for causing an edit war, I don`t think the paragraph in question is trivia, but I don`t think it is a controversy. I am a huge fan and biased, sorry for appearing so brash. Perhaps we could add to the paragraph, for example, the 5 minute apology she immediately gave after she realised her `mishap`, and/or moving to a different section eg `public fallacies` or `solecisms`. I am sorry to appear so stubborn of my opinion, I just don`t want her to be considered facetious, like what Amy Winehouse went through (it is thought she had a medical personality disorder, but people regarded her as sweary and vulgar). If you approve the idea for adding to the paragraph, I would be more than happy to citate and prepare the additional content. Sorry for blaming the bad grammar on you. - by `We Have` means the musicians and artists who are classed as global celebrities, who make their material available for our purchase. Apologies and Regards, CandidLibraryEditors (talk —Preceding undated comment added 13:11, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CandidLibraryEditors , apology accepted ;) I would say it belongs in the controversy section, but am open to suggestions, where do you suggest it belongs--Rockysantos (talk) 18:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I think we should replace the paragraph into a section called `Solecisms` or `Public Fallacies`, which mean an unintentional mistake which provokes an antagonism- which I think is more accurate but what do you think? :) Here`s what I got for rewording- I could add more citations if necessary:

During Faith's performance at the Gibraltar Music Festival in the British Overseas Territory of Gibraltar, on 5th September 2015, she started by saying "Hola España", which caused the majority of the crowd to 'boo' and shout abuse at her, despite her more positive comment:"it's great to be in a place that's half English and half Spanish". Although she made a 5 minute apology, many still believe she did it on purpose as she is of Spanish descent. She took to Twitter after her performance to apologise: "If I offended anyone tonight in Gibraltar about their heritage I'm sorry. I had no intention of doing that. I come in peace! I only bring love" [sic]. She then expressed: "I just wish that people could be kinder to each other and more compassionate and forgiving [sic]" and "There's too much anger in the world already". One Gibraltarian stated: "Gibraltar and the Falklands are British. Bigotry like yours are why her comments are offensive here." While another (non Gibraltarian) commented: "The awkward moment when you pay £65 to hear Paloma Faith say`"Gibraltar Espaniol [sic]`.".^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

So how does that sound? I`m glad to act on your input. reads very well, I agree with it, very accurate --Rockysantos (talk) 20:34, 4 November 2015 (UTC)CandidLibraryEditors (talk)[reply]

Ok then I will upload it to the page. Thankyou for your help. I noticed on this talk page that you are Gibraltarian- Sorry if I outruled any personal feelings/views with my first message. :) CandidLibraryEditors (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:25, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry to bother you again, but an editor called Karst has objected to our edit. He shortened it to two sentences. I have since restored the paragraph. he recommends we move it to a more neutral heading (It was "Public Fallacies", but to prevent him doing the same again I will change to "Public Divisions"),and then he suggested we should shorten our edit so it wouldn`t "draw attention" to the topic. I have suggested he discuss the length of the edit with you- I told him you were Gibraltarian, and that as a result you knew more than him on this topic- lol! :). I hope this works out ok. CandidLibraryEditors (talk)

References

^ Sophia Moir (2015-06-09). "Paloma Faith forced to apologise after greeting crowds with 'Hola Espana' at a music festival in British territory Gibraltar". Mail Online.
^ Heather Saul (2015-08-09). "Paloma Faith apologises to Gibraltar residents for greeting crowd with 'Hola Espana'". INDEPENDENT.
^ James Badcock (2015-07-09). "Paloma Faith apologises for saying 'Hola España' in Gibraltar". The Telegraph.
^ Jessica Earnshaw (2015-07-09). "Paloma Faith apologises for offending Gibraltar festival goers with 'Hola Espana' greeting". EXPRESS.
^ Rachel Babbage (2015-07-09). "Paloma Faith apologises for offending Gibraltar audiences". Digital Spy.

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	For Rockysantos, a Gibraltarian who invariably focuses on creating a harmonious relationship between other users. Thankyou! CandidLibraryEditors (talk) 12:09, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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oopps sorry meant to add that added reference and that the article it relevant --Rockysantos (talk) 07:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi TJRC, which article do you mean? --Rockysantos (talk) 09:49, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Look at your edit history. You are labeling every single edit you make as "minor". TJRC (talk) 14:53, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I'll do that, but most of them are minor or am I missing something? --Rockysantos (talk) 15:38, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're likely being deliberately obtuse here, but just in case, I would argue that neatly all of your edits go well beyond "typographical corrections, formatting changes or rearrangement of text without modification of content", and here's a sampling that very clearly do so: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9]. TJRC (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining, sorry to annoy you ;) --Rockysantos (talk) 17:15, 5 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Alcaidesa corrections

Hi Rockysantos, the part on Alcaidesa page about Santander and Costain is outdated, I believe it should be deleted.

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I do not beleive so as it is under the history section, referenced and shows which company is the owner of certain facilities and why. Unless you are saying this is not the current situation and you have a reference to prove it? --Rockysantos (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well it never was this simple. The article makes the impression that all of Alcaidesa is split between Santander and Costain, while in reality there is much more varied ownership, but I'm afraid it's going to be too technical if I try to write it down correctly. Shall I try doing that? 185.83.148.157 (talk) 15:36, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

sure lets see if we can figure it out --Rockysantos (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it took me some time to find a lawyer who understands the situation in detail, but I succeeded at last. The problem is mainly based in confusion between Alcaidesa as the name of the location/destination and Alcaidesa as the company which developed Alcaidesa project. The reorganization is only relevant to the company where two shareholders split their remaining assets - and remaining is an important word, as the vast majority of the assets were sold and developed. It has nothing to do with owners of each development in Alcaidesa or the thousands owners of each house in Alcaidesa. The company assets restructuring was as follows: Constain keep the operating assets, which are golf courses in Alcaidesa and Marina in La Linea Port (this marina is not in Alcaidesa but near the border with Gibraltar). Santander keeps two big plots, but none of them actually inside of Alcaidesa. So what is now written on the Wikipedia page is very misleading, because the whole article is about Alcaidesa the location and suddenly, with no further info, there is something about the company who first developed Alcaidesa but now has almost nothing to do with it. I stand by the opinion that this part should be deleted. 185.83.148.157 (talk) 14:45, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I kind of see what you mean however it is part of its history, so lets see if we can work togeather improve and update it, how about a more past tense sounding piece with an update but is there a reference we can use to prove it? Let me know your thoughts:-

in July 2015 there was a reorganisation of the owners due to debts being owed to Banco Santander, Santander owned the two largest pieces of development land. Costain owned the operating assets of the golf courses and the marina concession (being actually located in La Línea de la Concepción near the Gibraltar–Spain border), and the associated smaller parcels of land and retained the balance of the outstanding debt, most of which by 2019 had been sold on to private owners.--Rockysantos (talk) 20:54, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble is that it's not part of the LOCATION'S history, only of the COMPANY'S, as a) the two pieces of land have nothing to do with Alcaidesa itself, b) most of Alcaidesa had different owner much earlier than in 2019. What you are referring to would actually belong to a different article about the company who first developed the Alcaidesa venue - but doesn't really have much to do with the Alcaidesa place itself. When you start "In July 2015 there was a reorganisation of the owners due to debts", it's already quite misleading. There was nothing like "THE owners" to whom this text refers - at that time there were already thousands of individual owners and several developers who had nothing to do with no debts or reorganisation.

The correct wording would be something like "The company which originally started developments in Alcaidesa and subsequently sold the land to many other buyers, later went through a reorganisation. At that time, the only link of the company to Alcaidesa were the operating assets of the golf courses." - but then it would be obvious that there's no reason to have it in the article. I didn't find any reliable reference explaining the situation, but talking to local authorities or developers in Alcaidesa would provide you with the required background. I know it's journalistic work, which can't be expected from encyclopaedia editors, but I don't see a different way of proving it. 178.208.218.211 (talk) 00:29, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi MrLinkinPark333 I have read it and find it puzzling, would you like to go through the articles and discuss?--Rockysantos (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, but I've blocked but there are too many violations listed in the CCI request to overlook. You'll need to demonstrate a better understanding of copyright if you wish to continue editing. Moneytrees🏝️^{Talk/CCI guide} 02:17, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moneytrees🏝️

AS you can see if you scroll up I did ask MrLinkinPark333 which articles in question and if he would you like to go through the articles and discuss? So clearly i'm willing to work on the ones in question.

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I have read the guide, I won't do it again obviously, but this did happen along time ago as far as i am aware, when it was brought to my attention I was and still am willing to work with other users to rectify the articles in question if they are in violation--Rockysantos (talk) 17:43, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I saw this at the time but couldn't response, sorry for the delay. Could you be a bit more specific in what guide you read? Moneytrees🏝️^{Talk/CCI guide} 03:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

-- Hi Moneytrees🏝️, I read the Wikipedia:Copyrights guide and obviously the Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks.

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