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Could you help me with this question about logging in from SSH to use Toolforge tools? User_talk:Novem_Linguae#Need_help (permalink). --David Tornheim (talk) 13:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Replied there. Sohom (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Barnstar for help with Yapperbot being down

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		For your prompt, correct response to my request for help and for quickly getting Yapperbot Feedback Request Service restored. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:37, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :) Sohom (talk) 03:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 August newsletter

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re: Jschlatt draft

Just wanted to clarify for any avoidance of doubt that I was not the one who submitted the draft. I wasn't even aware that a user who isn't the author could submit a draft. Thanks for taking a look at it anyway. dyln (talk) 18:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Ack, I think it was an IP who submitted the draft. No issues there. Regarding the state of the draft, @Dyln1 I would suggest adding non-primary (third-party) sources to prove notability. Sohom (talk) 12:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. It's pretty difficult finding non-primary sources but there are a few podcasts the subject has been on. He's quite an evasive character but I reckon I *should* be able to present enough notability to meet WP:ENT. dyln (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Nicholas Carlini

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Nicholas Carlini you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Vacant0 -- Vacant0 (talk) 11:04, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Assistance on Draft:Debangshu Bhattacharya

Hi, can you please assist me with this draft on whether it is notable or not? I mentioned a comment on highlighting 3 sources which may go with GNG (only issue is SIGCOV). If possible can you review the draft. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 05:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

While the sources you mention do marginally pass WP:GNG in my opinion, I'm slightly uncomfortable taking the decision to move it into mainspace since a similar article was redirected in 1 June 2024. Toweli do you have any thoughts on this new draft's notability? Sohom (talk) 12:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Any new suggestions for improvement would be greatly appreciated. I will wait for Toweli's response. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 13:49, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Toweli, can you please respond to above question asked by Sohom? ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 13:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Apologies for not responding earlier. This draft article appears to be much better than the one I had redirected on 1 June, which was entirely unsourced. toweli (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sohom Datta, if this fits you well, you can get your time and review it. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 15:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Response to Reviewer's Feedback on Draft:Cyber_privacy

Let us express our sincere gratitude for the efforts the reviewer has invested in analyzing our humble draft Wikipedia page, 'Cyber privacy.' https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cyber_privacy

We would like to emphasize that the conclusion made by the respected reviewer, that "this article needs to be completely rewritten to even stand a chance of being accepted," not only does not discourage us but instead inspires optimism and sparks curiosity about the potential of our intellectual abilities to approach the standards of the accomplished Wikipedia reviewers.

While the valuable insights provided by the reviewer are so profound that they will take time to process, we would humbly suggest further discussion if the esteemed reviewer deems it worthy of their attention. Specifically, the phrase generously offered by the reviewer, which states: "I'm still not convinced that "cyber privacy" as a neologism actually exists in the world. Non of the sources cited here actually define cyber-privacy as being any different from internet privacy or Information privacy. At best, the sources convince me that this would be a redirect to Internet privacy which appear to be dealing with this exact topic." —suggests that the reviewer holds the opinion that "cyberspace" consists solely of something digital and internet-based.

The distinction between 'cyber-', 'digital-', and 'internet-' forms the crux of the article's topic and is central to understanding why 'cyber privacy' deserves separate consideration.

We fully understand that the assumption of complete equivalence between these terms is a legitimate perspective shared by many notable scholars, including a number of Wikipedia reviewers. Indeed, the current Wikipedia article on 'cyberspace' conveys this idea, defining cyberspace solely as internet and digital. However, there exists a well-established cohort of scholars, officials, and stakeholders who adopt a broader definition of "cyberspace," underscoring that 'cyber-,' 'internet-,' and 'digital-' may occupy distinct, albeit related, spheres.

While we appreciate the feedback, the claim that 'cyber privacy' is synonymous with 'internet privacy' overlooks several authoritative distinctions in academic, legal, and industry discourse. If necessary, we are happy to provide further evidence to clarify this matter.

We are mindful of the valuable time of the esteemed reviewer and would humbly inquire whether they are interested in continuing this discussion. Should the reviewer find it intellectually engaging, we might suggest a brief exploration into the difference between "cyberattack" and "cyberspace attack," which may shed light on the concept of "cyberspace" that informed the development of the draft in question.

Once again, we appreciate the reviewer's insights and the constructive direction provided. Professorincryptography (talk) 11:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Professorincryptography Two questions:

• The distinction between 'cyber-', 'digital-', and 'internet-' forms the crux of the article's topic and is central to understanding why 'cyber privacy' deserves separate consideration. - Could you be more explicit about what this distinction is?
• While we appreciate the feedback, the claim that 'cyber privacy' is synonymous with 'internet privacy' overlooks several authoritative distinctions in academic, legal, and industry discourse. If necessary, we are happy to provide further evidence to clarify this matter. That's the only thing that is needed in the draft. Feel free to provide it when you can.

Regarding the rest of your message, feel free to cut out the flowery language when you next message to me, and explicitly define who "we" is. The Wikipedia community tends to discourage role account, i.e. teams editing through one account. Sohom (talk) 12:59, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I am thankful for the swift and concise reply. Let me address the points mentioned.

1. This account is a single-person account, and any suspicions that it is used by someone else will be reported by me. By "we," I meant only myself. I used the author's we, but I now understand this may have been confusing under Wikipedia rules. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

2. I am happy to provide a clearer distinction between 'cyber-', 'digital-', and 'internet-' based on reliable sources. I originally did not expand on this in the draft to keep the focus on "cyber privacy," but I can provide a summary as follows:

The distinction between "cyber-", "digital-", and "internet-" revolves around scope. "Cyber-" includes both digital and non-digital systems, encompassing infrastructures like telecommunications networks and industrial control systems, some of which may not be connected to the Internet. "Internet-" is specific to the global network, while "digital-" refers strictly to data in binary form, which may or may not be part of the cyber domain.

This diagram provides a factual summary of key concepts from ISO/IEC 27032, NIST, CNSSI, NSPD-54, and 18 USC 1030 regarding the distinctions between cyber, internet, digital, and related systems.

I am happy to share the following points with you, starting with the visual representation I’ve created based on the documents I cite below (see the attached picture). I will now provide evidence to show that this illustration is valid.

- Exhibit A: Visual depiction of the interaction between 'cybersecurity', 'internet', 'networks', etc., from ISO/IEC 27032:2023. (Necessary to open the file )

Definition: "cyberspace - whole of interconnected information processing systems, including the Internet, and of data they are processing."

- Exhibit B: A citation from NSPD-54/HSPD-23 (2008) defines cyberspace as "The interdependent network of information technology infrastructures that includes the Internet, telecommunications networks, computers, information systems, industrial control systems, networks, and embedded processors and controllers."

This definition was later used in the following documents: CNSSI 4009-2015, NIST Special Publications (SP 800-30, 800-39, 800-53). Link to this definition: .

There is, for example, a scholarly edited volume (secondary source) that uses "cyber privacy" referring specifically to the definition of "cyber-" that originates from this document.

Similarly, authors like use "cyber privacy," citing the development of the document such as JP 1-02 vocabulary or Tallinn Manual.

- Exhibit C: Examples of technologies that are either not completely digital or not internet-based but still fall under the "cyber-" definition of Exhibit B and are currently in use include Alcatel-Lucent 5ESS, Allen-Bradley SLC 500, Hughes HS-376, and General Electric 9070 SCADA System.

With this in mind, the use of the term "cyber privacy" in a technical article published in IEEE is relevant regarding hybrid analog/digital systems: .

- Exhibit D: Citation from : "Whoever <...> intentionally accesses a protected computer without authorization, and as a result of such conduct, causes damage and loss <...> shall be punished." Here, and in the entire paragraph, nothing is mentioned about whether the information is digital or if access is through the internet. However, the term "computer" used in the context can refer to non-digital systems (as demonstrated by Exhibit C) while still being part of cyberspace (according to Exhibit B), thus extending beyond digital and internet-based systems.

Further clarification can be seen in the definition provided by where "electronic communications system" is defined as "any wire, radio, electromagnetic, photooptical, or photoelectronic facilities for the transmission of wire or electronic communications, and any computer facilities or related electronic equipment for the electronic storage of such communications." This definition supports the view that "cyber privacy" need not be exclusively dependent on digital information or internet communications.

Moreover, in the article , the term "cyber privacy" is defined, based solely on laws such as these, which demonstrates that "cyber privacy" does not necessarily involve internet or digital data. The transmission of information of any kind—whether digital or analog—can still be captured under the term "cyber."

To sum up, the provided references offer distinct examples of how "cyber-" differs from "digital" and "internet," along with several secondary sources that use the term "cyber privacy" outside the scope of both "internet" and "digital." Professorincryptography (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

@Professorincryptography Sorry for the rather late reply, I did look at these sources and while I can see your point, I don't think you have sources to merit a new article about "cyber-privacy". A lot of what you have provided are building blocks for an argument (definitions and people incidentally using the word), but you haven't provided any sources that actually make the exact argument that you are making and actually advocating for the use of the specific word "cyber-privacy". Sohom (talk) 09:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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Anti-Subversion Software

Hello, Sohom Datta,

You tagged this article for an AFD discussion but I notices that you didn't post a notification on the User talk page of the article creator which is part of the deletion process. You used Twinkle which should have taken care of this step for you. So, please check your Twinkle Preferences and make sure that the box indicating "Notify page creator" is checked off. This should take care of notification for you automatically so please do not uncheck it. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Liz This is probably a software error or a networking hiccup. I haven't disabled that checkbox AFAIK.

I'll keep a close tab on making sure that this does not happen in the future. Sohom (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from Farjana837 (09:08, 11 September 2024)

Why koimoi.com is unreliable source in wikipedia --Farjana837 (talk) 09:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Newest Problem with Croptool

Hi Sohom Datta. Please read this Commons Discussion about the new Problem with Croptool. Maybe you can manage a new Task in Phabricator to solve the problem. Thank you. Leonprimer (talk) 00:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Will take a look over this coming weekend. Sohom (talk) 02:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Client Hints

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Post-RfA response

I will first make sure that the new article in its current state addresses all the issue brought up in the previous AFD ...

That's pretty much what the gist of my position also was, so we seem to generally be on the same page after all. Apologies for the "you're wrong" tone I took. I should have instead tried something like a "Some considerations I would raise are ..." angle.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for improving article quality in September! - Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost, BWV 114, is one of the pieces in my topic of this year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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• From Wikimedia Enterprise:
  • The API now enables 5,000 on-demand API requests per month and twice-monthly HTML snapshots freely (gratis and libre). More information on the updates and also improvements to the software development kits (SDK) are explained on the project's blog post. While Wikimedia Enterprise APIs are designed for high-volume commercial reusers, this change enables many more community use-cases to be built on the service too.
  • The Snapshot API (html dumps) have added beta Structured Contents endpoints (blog post on that) as well as released two beta datasets (English and French Wikipedia) from that endpoint to Hugging Face for public use and feedback (blog post on that). These pre-parsed data sets enable new options for researchers, developers, and data scientists to use and study the content.

In depth

• The Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) is used to get answers to questions using the Wikidata data set. As Wikidata grows, we had to make a major architectural change so that WDQS could remain performant. As part of the WDQS Graph Split project, we have new SPARQL endpoints available for serving the "scholarly" and "main" subgraphs of Wikidata. The query.wikidata.org endpoint will continue to serve the full Wikidata graph until March 2025. After this date, it will only serve the main graph. For more information, please see the announcement on Wikidata.

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

DYK for Nicholas Carlini

On 25 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nicholas Carlini, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nicholas Carlini showed that ChatGPT could leak personal information? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nicholas Carlini. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nicholas Carlini), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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RFA2024 update: Discussion-only period now open for review

Hi there! The trial of the RfA discussion-only period passed at WP:RFA2024 has concluded, and after open discussion, the RfC is now considering whether to retain, modify, or discontinue it. You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase II/Discussion-only period. Cheers, and happy editing! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Ack! Sohom (talk) 10:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Permissions bug

How were you able to edit the fully protected page Wikipedia:Requests for oversight even though you are not an admin? This is probably due to a bug that incorrectly gives you permission to edit the page. GTrang (talk) 05:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it is a bug, I believe I was able to edit it was because I have Global interface editor privileges (primarily to help work on fixing issues on Wikisource -- but a side effect is that it also gives me intadmin on all wikis). I assumed for some reason that the page was auto-confirmed/extended-confirmed protected and only after going through with the edit did I realize that the padlock was a fully protected padlock :( Sohom (talk) 11:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Question from Abid Hussain shar (02:26, 30 September 2024)

Sir I want to add a missing place,or village how add in Wikipedia, please help --Abid Hussain shar (talk) 02:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

• Readers of 42 more wikis can now use Dark Mode. If the option is not yet available for logged-out users of your wiki, this is likely because many templates do not yet display well in Dark Mode. Please use the night-mode-checker tool if you are interested in helping to reduce the number of issues. The recommendations page provides guidance on this. Dark Mode is enabled on additional wikis once per month.
• Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor as their default can access features from the 2017 wikitext editor by adding ?veaction=editsource to the URL. If you would like to enable the 2017 wikitext editor as your default, it can be set in your preferences. [17]
• For logged-out readers using the Vector 2022 skin, the "donate" link has been moved from a collapsible menu next to the content area into a more prominent top menu, next to "Create an account". This restores the link to the level of prominence it had in the Vector 2010 skin. Learn more about the changes related to donor experiences. [18]
• The CampaignEvents extension provides tools for organizers to more easily manage events, communicate with participants, and promote their events on the wikis. The extension has been enabled on Arabic Wikipedia, Igbo Wikipedia, Swahili Wikipedia, and Meta-Wiki. Chinese Wikipedia has decided to enable the extension, and discussions on the extension are in progress on Spanish Wikipedia and on Wikidata. To learn how to enable the extension on your wiki, you can visit the CampaignEvents page on Meta-Wiki.
• View all 22 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.

Updates for technical contributors

• Developers with an account on Wikitech-wiki should check if any action is required for their accounts. The wiki is being changed to use the single-user-login (SUL) system, and other configuration changes. This change will help reduce the overall complexity for the weekly software updates across all our wikis.

In depth

• The server switch was completed successfully last week with a read-only time of only 2 minutes 46 seconds. This periodic process makes sure that engineers can switch data centers and keep all of the wikis available for readers, even if there are major technical issues. It also gives engineers a chance to do maintenance and upgrades on systems that normally run 24 hours a day, and often helps to reveal weaknesses in the infrastructure. The process involves dozens of software services and hundreds of hardware servers, and requires multiple teams working together. Work over the past few years has reduced the time from 17 minutes down to 2–3 minutes. [19]

Meetings and events

• October 4–6: WikiIndaba Conference's Hackathon in Johannesburg, South Africa
• November 4–6: MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024 in Vienna, Austria

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Question from Peter flavelle love (15:00, 2 October 2024)

Sohom. I am 75 and use Wikipedia all the time and am a regular small financial supporter. I only want to suggest one edit and do not really want to take the course to figure out how. can i send it to you? tks --Peter flavelle love (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

DCWC closing update

The 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest has come to a close! After a thrilling finish to the event with a slew of submissions on the final day, we have our winners. With 608 points, Thebiguglyalien (submissions) comes in third with his series of Kiribati and Botswanan submissions; BeanieFan11 (submissions) flies into second place at the last second with 771 points after a string of good articles about sportspersons; and after leading for much of contest's three months, Generalissima (submissions) finishes with a whopping 798 points to take home the Gold Belt Buckle. Congratulations to our winners!

In addition to his spot in the top three, BeanieFan11 (submissions) also wins the special awards for submitting under the most countries (44 countries) and for writing the most articles about women (15 Did you know? nominations)! Magentic Manifestations (submissions), after making 16 submissions under the Indian flag—15 of them good articles—receives the awards for most submissions for a single country and most featured or good articles promoted. For their submission of one FAC review, five FLC reviews, and 20 GAN reviews, Simongraham (submissions) wins for most article reviews.

The results of the contest have far exceeded any expectations the coordinators had for it at the beginning: among the submissions to the event were 3 FAs, 10 FLs, 88 GAs, dozens of article reviews of every kind, and more Did you know? submissions than we can count! Regardless of your level of participation, every contestant can be proud to have contributed towards a major step in countering the systemic bias on Wikipedia. Every year, millions of readers and editors around the globe use Wikipedia to educate themselves and communicate with others about parts of the world that often receive less attention than they deserve. Thank you for participating with us in the contest and contributing to this effort. The DCWC will return next year and we look forward to seeing you contribute again! However, before that...

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September 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award

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Tech News: 2024-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

• Communities can now request installation of Automoderator on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can read details about the necessary steps for installation and configuration. [20]

Updates for editors

• Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can try it with your mobile device. [21]
• View all 12 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.

Updates for technical contributors

• It is now possible for <syntaxhighlight> code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if the copy=1 attribute is set on the tag. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [22]
• Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML. [23]
• Later this month, temporary accounts will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 11 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available.
• Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools Gerrit and GitLab to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through nftables firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on Firewall, GitLab limits and Gerrit operations.
• Five new wikis have been created:
  • a Wikipedia in Komering (w:kge:) [24]
  • a Wikipedia in Mooré (m:mos:) [25]
  • a Wiktionary in Madurese (wikt:mad:) [26]
  • a Wikiquote in Gorontalo (q:gor:) [27]
  • a Wikinews in Shan (n:shn:) [28]

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Administrator Elections: Call for Candidates

Administrator Elections | Call for Candidates

The administrator elections process has officially started! Interested editors are encouraged to self-nominate or arrange to be nominated by reviewing the instructions at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Call for candidates.

Here is the schedule:

• October 8–14 - Candidate sign-up (we are here)
• October 22–24 - Discussion phase
• October 25–31 - SecurePoll voting phase

Please note the following:

• The requirements to run are identical to RFA—a prospective candidate must be extended confirmed.
• Prospective candidates are advised to become familar with the community's expectations of adminstrators, which are much higher than the minimum requirement of having extended confirmed status. This includes reviewing successful and unsuccessful RFAs, reading the essay Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates, and possibly requesting an optional poll on their chances of passing.
• The process will have a one week call for candidates phase, a one week pause to set up SecurePoll, a three-day period of public discussion, followed by 7 days of no public discussion and a private vote using SecurePoll.
• The outcomes of this process are identical to making requests for adminship. There is no official difference between an administrator appointed through RFA or administrator elections.
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Template:Archivetop

Hi again, you were very helpful with Template:Discussion top and Template:Afd top when I raised a problem they had with the green on black gadget. There seems to be a similar problem with Template:Archive top, under discussion at Template talk:Archive top#Dark mode gadget. DuncanHill (talk) 17:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@DuncanHill I've fixed the issue with Template:Archive top :) Sohom (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much. DuncanHill (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit requests

Hey, could you please review these edit requests (1, 2, 3, 4) as well? Thank you! Waqar💬 14:09, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Sohom (talk) 20:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Waqar💬 05:13, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

• The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by DiscussionTools, which is used on any regular talk page. A first set of wikis are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode. [29][30]
• WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A change last week on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the hastemplate and incategory keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available. [31]
• View all 20 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, EditCheck was installed at Russian Wikipedia, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles.

Updates for technical contributors

• Editors who use the Toolforge tool Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements. [32]
• Phabricator users can create tickets and add comments on existing tickets via Email again. Sending email to Phabricator has been fixed. [33]
• Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a <bdi> element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is not recommended and might break at any time. [34]

In depth

• The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more.
• The latest quarterly Technical Community Newsletter is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more.

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A fox for you!

Here's to hoping the admin elections go well. I'm really happy you decided to go for it. :)

Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, let's see how it goes :) Sohom (talk) 12:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Pager explosions

Just noting I tagged 2024 Lebanon pager explosions early on when there were still active theories about it being a cybersecurity breach (some malware causing exploding batteries), but the prevailing story now is they were remotely triggered (so I think you are right to untag WP:COMPSEC). Tule-hog (talk) 17:03, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Sohom (talk) 02:23, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Updated "Chief Artificial Intellligence Officer", request review to remove Tagged Issues

Hello! I've updated the Chief AI Officer article per your tags as noted in the Talk page.

Chief AI officer

Can you review and let me know if there are any more specific issues I can address to have these tags removed?

Thanks (good luck with the GA promotion recommendation),

J J2000ai (talk) 18:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

This resurgence of AI can be dated to the end of the last AI winter, marked by the 2012 ImageNet competition. is cited to the imagenet competition, which is a obvious bogus source since it does not verify the "resurgence of AI" portion. Additionally the second paragraph is filled with dubious phrasing like leading institutions and market leaders. I also doubt that LinkedIn data is a reliable indicator of anything concrete. Lastly, it seems the AI LEAD act has only bee introduced into the house and has not been made into a law, something the article glosses over. TLDR, I think my concerns still stand, the article is still trying hard to sell a particular viewpoint, but there are holes in verifiability and encyclopedic writing. Sohom (talk) 09:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I've posted detailed replies to the 4 issues you raised on the CAIO Article Talk Page per Wikipedia guidelines. I think one was a simple misunderstanding that the LinkedIn research report was not just a random social media post and the other 3 I addressed in the revision with more supporting authoratative links. - J J2000ai (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Still navigating my way with Wikipedia editorial guidelines and best practices, so apologies for my verbose initial responses.

I realized I poorly addressed the nub of 2/4 of your critiques. Therefore, I've followed up on these two issues with succint replies to directly address your core concerns. Cheers, J J2000ai (talk) 18:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator Elections: Candidate instructions

Administrator Elections | Instructions for candidates

Thank you for choosing to run in the October 2024 administrator elections. This bulletin contains some important information about the next stages of the election process.

As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

• October 15–21: SecurePoll setup phase
• October 22–24: Discussion phase
• October 25–31: SecurePoll voting phase
• November 1–?: Scrutineering phase

We are currently in the SecurePoll setup phase. Your candidate subpage will remain closed to questions and discussion. However, this is an excellent opportunity for you to recruit nominators (if you want them) and have them place their nomination statements, and a good time for you to answer the standard three questions, if you have not done so already. We recommend you spend the SecurePoll setup phase from October 15–21 getting your candidate page polished and ready for the next phase.

The discussion phase will take place from October 22–24. Your candidate subpage will open to the public and they will be permitted to discuss you and ask you formal questions, in the same style as a request for adminship (RfA). Please make sure you are around on those dates to answer the formal questions in a timely manner.

On October 25, we will start the voting phase. The candidate subpages will close again to public questions and discussion, and everyone will have a week to use the SecurePoll software to vote, which uses a secret ballot. Anyone can see who has voted, but not who they voted for. You are permitted and encouraged to vote in the election, including voting for yourself. Please note that the vote tallies cannot be made public until after voting has ended and as such, it will not be possible for you to see your tally during the election. The suffrage requirements are different from those at RfA.

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October thanks

story · music · places

Thank you for improving articles on October! - My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Our Admin Election Test

Hello there. As we're preparing to move from one stage to the next, this is just a quick note from one member of the test group to another, wishing you well in the process of this new alternative to RfA. It seems that there are more of us in this group than some in the community anticipated, so i hope that doesn't make the experience any the worse for all of us. Whatever our individual results, i thank you, along with the rest, for stepping up and testing this process; happy days, ~ Lindsay^Hello 07:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

• The Mobile Apps team has released an update to the iOS app's navigation, and it is now available in the latest App store version. The team added a new Profile menu that allows for easy access to editor features like Notifications and Watchlist from the Article view, and brings the "Donate" button into a more accessible place for users who are reading an article. This is the first phase of a larger planned navigation refresh to help the iOS app transition from a primarily reader-focused app, to an app that fully supports reading and editing. The Wikimedia Foundation has added more editing features and support for on-wiki communication based on volunteer requests in recent years.

iOS Wikipedia App's profile menu and contents

Updates for editors

• Wikipedia readers can now download a browser extension to experiment with some early ideas on potential features that recommend articles for further reading, automatically summarize articles, and improve search functionality. For more details and to stay updated, check out the Web team's Content Discovery Experiments page and subscribe to their newsletter.
• Later this month, logged-out editors of these 12 wikis will start to have temporary accounts created. The list may slightly change - some wikis may be removed but none will be added. Temporary account is a new type of user account. It enhances the logged-out editors' privacy and makes it easier for community members to communicate with them. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 12 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available. Read more about the deployment plan across all wikis.
• View all 33 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, the South Ndebele, Pannonian Rusyn, Obolo, Iban and Tai Nüa Wikipedia languages were created last week. [35][36][37][38][39]
• It is now possible to create functions on Wikifunctions using Wikidata lexemes, through the new Wikidata lexeme type launched last week. When you go to one of these functions, the user interface provides a lexeme selector that helps you pick a lexeme from Wikidata that matches the word you type. After hitting run, your selected lexeme is retrieved from Wikidata, transformed into a Wikidata lexeme type, and passed into the selected function. Read more about this in the latest Wikifunctions newsletter.

Updates for technical contributors

• Users of the Wikimedia sites can now format dates more easily in different languages with the new {{#timef:…}} parser function. For example, {{#timef:now|date|en}} will show as "14 November 2024". Previously, {{#time:…}} could be used to format dates, but this required knowledge of the order of the time and date components and their intervening punctuation. #timef (or #timefl for local time) provides access to the standard date formats that MediaWiki uses in its user interface. This may help to simplify some templates on multi-lingual wikis like Commons and Meta. [40][41]
• Commons and Meta users can now efficiently retrieve the user's language using {{USERLANGUAGE}} instead of using {{int:lang}}. [42]
• The Product and Tech Advisory Council (PTAC) now has its pilot members with representation across Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and South America. They will work to address the Movement Strategy's Technology Council initiative of having a co-defined and more resilient technological platform. [43]

In depth

• The latest quarterly Growth newsletter is available. It includes: an upcoming Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module, new Community Configuration options, and details on new projects.
• The Wikimedia Foundation is now an official partner of the CVE program, which is an international effort to catalog publicly disclosed cybersecurity vulnerabilities. This partnership will allow the Security Team to instantly publish common vulnerabilities and exposures (CVE) records that are affecting MediaWiki core, extensions, and skins, along with any other code the Foundation is a steward of.
• The Community Wishlist is now testing machine translations for Wishlist content. Volunteers can now read machine-translated versions of wishes and dive into discussions even before translators arrive to translate content.

Meetings and events

• 24 October - Wiki Education Speaker Series Webinar - Open Source Tech: Building the Wiki Education Dashboard, featuring Wikimedia interns and a Web developer in the panel.
• 20–22 December 2024 - Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024 in Odisha, India. A hackathon for community members, including developers, designers and content editors, to build technical solutions that improve contributors' experiences.

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Administrator Elections: Discussion phase

Administrator Elections | Discussion phase

The discussion phase of the October 2024 administrator elections is officially open. As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

• October 22–24 - Discussion phase
• October 25–31 - SecurePoll voting phase
• November 1–? - Scrutineering phase

During October 22–24, we will be in the discussion phase. The candidate subpages will open to questions and comments from everyone, in the same style as a request for adminship. You may discuss the candidates at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Discussion phase.

On October 25, we will start the voting phase. The candidate subpages will close again to public questions and discussion, and everyone will have a week to use the SecurePoll software to vote, which uses a secret ballot. You can see who voted, but not who they voted for. Please note that the vote tallies cannot be made public until after voting has ended and as such, it will not be possible for you to see an individual candidate's tally during the election. The suffrage requirements are different from those at RFA.

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Administrator Elections: Voting phase

Administrator Elections | Voting phase

The voting phase of the October 2024 administrator elections has started and continues until 23:59 31st October 2024 UTC. You can participate in the voting phase at Wikipedia:Administrator elections/October 2024/Voting phase.

As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

• October 25–31 - SecurePoll voting phase
• November 1–? - Scrutineering phase

In the voting phase, the candidate subpages will close to public questions and discussion, and everyone who qualifies for a vote will have a week to use the SecurePoll software to vote, which uses a secret ballot. You can see who voted, but not who they voted for. Please note that the vote tallies cannot be made public until after voting has ended and as such, it will not be possible for you to see an individual candidate's tally during the election. The suffrage requirements are different from those at RFA.

Once voting concludes, we will begin the scrutineering phase, which will last for an indeterminate amount of time, perhaps a week or two. Once everything is certified, the results will be posted on the main election page. In order to be granted adminship, a candidate must have received at least 70.0% support, calculated as Support / (Support + Oppose). As this is a vote and not a consensus, there are no bureaucrat discussions ("crat chats").

Any questions or issues can be asked on the election talk page. Thank you for your participation. Happy electing.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing through full protection

I can't figure out how you were able to make this edit to Wikipedia:Requests for oversight, which has been fully protected since 2008. From your self-revert's edit summary, you weren't originally aware that it was fully-protected – implying that you edited through full protection without even trying to. Do you have any idea how this happened, or are you just as confused as I am? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:41, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, you already answered this in § Permissions bug. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

• Later in November, the Charts extension will be deployed to the test wikis in order to help identify and fix any issue. A security review is underway to then enable deployment to pilot wikis for broader testing. You can read the October project update and see the latest documentation and examples on Beta Wikipedia.
• View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pediapress.com, an external service that creates books from Wikipedia, can now use Wikimedia Maps to include existing pre-rendered infobox map images in their printed books on Wikipedia. [44]

Updates for technical contributors

• Wikis can use the Guided Tour extension to help newcomers understand how to edit. The Guided Tours extension now works with dark mode. Guided Tour maintainers can check their tours to see that nothing looks odd. They can also set emitTransitionOnStep to true to fix an old bug. They can use the new flag allowAutomaticBack to avoid back-buttons they don't want. [45]
• Administrators in the Wikimedia projects who use the Nuke Extension will notice that mass deletions done with this tool have the "Nuke" tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. [46]

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MediaWiki message delivery 20:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 November newsletter

The 2024 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round being a very tight race. Our new champion is AirshipJungleman29 (submissions), who scored 2,283 points mainly through 3 high-multiplier FAs and 3 GAs on military history topics. By a 1% margin, Airship beat out last year's champion, BeanieFan11 (submissions), who scored second with 2,264 points, mainly from an impressive 58 GAs about athletes. In third place, Generalissima (submissions) scored 1,528 points, primarily from two FAs on U.S. Librarians of Congress and 20 GAs about various historical topics. Our other finalists are: Sammi Brie (submissions) with 879 points, Hey man im josh (submissions) with 533 points, BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 432 points, Arconning (submissions) with 244 points, and AryKun (submissions) with 15 points. Congratulations to our finalists and all who participated!

The final round was very productive, and contestants had 7 FAs, 9 FLs, 94 GAs, 73 FAC reviews, and 79 GAN reviews and peer reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.

• Generalissima (submissions) wins the featured article prize for 3 FAs in round 4, and 7 FAs overall.
• Hey man im josh (submissions) wins the featured list prize for 23 FLs overall.
• MaranoFan (submissions) wins the featured topic prize for 9 articles in featured topics in round 1.
• Hey man im josh (submissions) wins the featured content reviewer prize for 110 FA/FL reviews overall.
• BeanieFan11 (submissions) wins the good article prize for 58 GAs in round 5, and 70 GAs overall.
• Fritzmann (submissions) wins the good topic prize for 6 articles in good topics in round 2.
• Sammi Brie (submissions) wins the good article reviewer prize for 45 GA reviews in round 2, and 78 GA reviews overall.
• BeanieFan11 (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 131 Did you know articles overall.
• Muboshgu (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 15 In the news articles in round 1, and 36 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2025 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement!

If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs), Epicgenius (talk · contribs), and Frostly (talk · contribs). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For passing in the new admin elections trial. It was an honor to co-nominate you with Novem Linguae. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

It was a honour to be nominated by you as well :) Sohom (talk) 08:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations! Plantaest (talk) 13:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations

On your election as a new admin! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Seconding — congratulations, Sohom! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :) I hope to use the bits well :) Sohom (talk) 08:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

story · music · places

Congratulations! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

For a surprise, a Bach cantata is on the Main page today, where it was last year for the 300th anniversary, and they were too lazy to find something new ;) - Look at my story, and listen to the 3 whole-tone steps and the dialogues of Fear and Hope. - An open letter open to be signed (more info on the talk), - I haven't checked if you did, please ignore then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I uploaded more pics, on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - Madeleine Riffaud - remember. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

• Stewards can now make global account blocks cause global autoblocks. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the Temporary Accounts project. You can read more about the progress on key features for temporary accounts. [47]
• Wikis that have the CampaignEvents extension enabled can now use the Collaboration List feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of the 2024/25 annual plan. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can follow these steps or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help.
• The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [48]
• View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, on multilingual wikis, users can now hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page.

Updates for technical contributors

• XML data dumps have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [49]

In depth

• Temporary Accounts have been deployed to six wikis; thanks to the Trust and Safety Product team for this work, you can read about the deployment plans. Beginning next week, Temporary Accounts will also be enabled on seven other projects. If you are active on these wikis and need help migrating your tools, please reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for assistance.
• The latest quarterly Language and Internationalization newsletter is available. It includes: New languages supported in translatewiki or in MediaWiki; New keyboard input methods for some languages; details about recent and upcoming meetings, and more.

Meetings and events

• MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024 is happening in Vienna, Austria and online from 4 to 6 November 2024. The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users.

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MediaWiki message delivery 20:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

New Admin Bâtonnets

I may not be able to offer you the baton, but I hope you can savour these bâtonnets as you study all the new admin buttons! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Congrats on winning the adminship

Keep playing with the shinny new buttons. Wikibear47 (talk) 01:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Congrats! Andre🚐 22:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 November 2024

• From the editors: Editing Wikipedia should not be a crime

• News and notes: Wikimedia Foundation shares ANI lawsuit updates; first admin elections appoint eleven sysops; first admin recalls opened; temporary accounts coming soon?

• In the media: An old scrimmage, politics and purported libel

• Special report: Wikipedia editors face litigation, censorship

• Gallery: Why you should take more photos and upload them

• In focus: Questions and answers about the court case

• Traffic report: Twisted tricks or tempting treats?

• Technology report: Wikimedia tech, the Asian News International case, and the ultra-rare BLACKLOCK

• Humour: Man quietly slinks away from talk page argument after realizing his argument dumb, wrong

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"He who does not keep peace shall lose his hand."

	The axe of responsibility
	Shiny new tools might be used to mete out justice, mercy or a dose of reality. Let us commit to not losing our cool when using them. Our only armor is the entire community's trust. We wear it for each other, each new contributor, and each new generation to come. May you ever be the community's champion. BusterD (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Here comes...

	The new admin baton
	Congratulations on winning the admin election! SD0001 passed the fabled baton to me and, and having given it a twirl or two, I am passing it on to you! Once you are done appreciating its magnificence, do pass it to the next admin. Happy mopping!

Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Woah woah...new sysop in town. Congratulations :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Tech News: 2024-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Updates for editors

• On wikis with the Translate extension enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [50]
• View all 29 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, the submitted task to use the SecurePoll extension for English Wikipedia's special administrator election was resolved on time. [51]

Updates for technical contributors

• In 1.44.0-wmf-2, the logic of Wikibase function getAllStatements changed to behave like getBestStatements. Invoking the function now returns a copy of values which are immutable. [52]
• Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. The API will be rerouting some page content endpoints from RESTbase to the newer MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The impacted endpoints include getting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content. These changes will be available on testwiki later this week, with other projects to follow. This change should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints should verify behavior on testwiki, and raise any concerns on the related Phabricator ticket.

In depth

• Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects where Automoderator is enabled can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. This Superset dashboard calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit the documentation page for more information about this work. [53]

Meetings and events

• 21 November 2024 (8:00 UTC & 16:00 UTC) - Community call with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons.

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Impact template

First off - congrats on adminship! I was pleased to see that you were elected, since my (admittedly few) prior interactions with you have been very pleasant. I really like the "Impact" template you have at the top of your userpage and I'm interested in adding something similar to mine, though just adding the {{Special:Impact/PCN02WPS}} gives the full readout as opposed to just what you have. If you wouldn't mind divulging your secrets, what behind-the-scenes wizardry is needed to get mine to look like yours? Thank you! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS Most of the heavy lifting is done by User:Sohom Datta/styles.css which is loaded on my userpage using TemplateStyles. The CSS removes many of the unnecessary elements and styles the impact bar to custer into the center. If you want to replicate the effect, you probably need to add the following

/* don't display anything except the first child div */
section.ext-growthExperiments-NewImpact > div:nth-child(n+2) {
	display: none;
}
/* override the min-height now that we've got rid of a load of the other divs */
div.growthexperiments-homepage-module-impact {
	min-height: 0 !important;
}
/* get rid of the bottom whitespace now that there's only the four boxes */
.growthexperiments-homepage-module {
	padding-bottom: 0;
	padding-top: 0;
	border:0px solid #fff;
	overflow: hidden;
}
/* don't show the impact header */
.growthexperiments-homepage-module h2.growthexperiments-homepage-module-header {
	display: none !important; 
}
.ext-growthExperiments-Popover {
	display: none;
}
.ext-growthExperiments-ScoreCard {
	background: rgba(0,0,0,0);
}
.ext-growthExperiments-ScoreCards {
	display: flex;
	justify-content: center;
}

to a templatestyles .css page and load it in your user page. Sohom (talk) 00:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I tried to add it to my userpage and got an error that "Page User:PCN02WPS/styles.css must have content model "Sanitized CSS" for TemplateStyles (current model is "CSS")." Unfortunately I have no idea what that means. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS The page was created as a normal CSS page, whereas templatestyles uses a special Sanitized CSS content model which is what templatestyles is complaining about. (the way I have gotten around to creating a page with the special Sanitized CSS content model previously is by create the page in the template namespace and then move it into userspace). For now, I have changed the content model for User:PCN02WPS/styles.css and you should be able to use it on your userpage. Sohom (talk) 02:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

That's awesome, works perfectly. I really appreciate the help as there is absolutely no shot I would have figured any of that out. Thank you! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:46, 13 November 2024 (UTC)