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cant find the web form to create an article

I thought i sent an article to wikipedia about aweeka go but I think I used the copy of the editoriaL PAGE TAHT CAME UP. I CANNOT FIND ANY OTHER WEB FORM ON WHIHC TO ENTER THE ARTICLE. PLEASE ADVISE HOW I GET THE ARTICLE CREATED ON WIKIPEDIA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Judiann22 (talkcontribs) 19:05, 1 July 2007

Would you mind not SHOUTING? I guess you lent on the CAPS key. WP does not use web forms as such to create articles; see the links on your talk page for info. Adrian M. H. 18:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Inserting a JPG in a gallery

I will probably be shot down for asking this question, but I wanted to please a friend by adding one of their photos they took at the National History Museum in London. I went into the Gallery, and I kept on trying to insert one of the photos, but to no avail. SueNaustin 23:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Since WP does not have a gallery, apart from the thumbnail galleries that some editors like to add to articles, I have to ask what you are trying to do:
  • Upload an image?
  • Or wikilink to an existing image?
Adrian M. H. 16:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Getting feedback

I'm wondering if there's a way to request feedback? I've been editing an article (Horseradish) and after several hours of this fun I started to wonder whether I was interpreting instructions correctly. Is there somewhere I can go to ask for someone with more experience than I have to take a look at what I've done and tell me what I've done wrong/what I've done right? I've been haunting the How To pages, but I guess I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding everything from the get-go! Thanks! Valereee 23:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Check out my brainchild, Requests for feedback. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 04:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

ready to publish

I have finished writing an article and I am ready to publish. Where do I begin? Julie Dancer 09:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

As you've written the article in a user sandbox (User:Julie Dancer/sandbox), you can move the article into mainspace (which will make it an 'article') by using the 'move' tab (at the top of the screen, near 'edit this page', if you're using default preferences). Choose an appropriate name for the article that doesn't start with your username. --ais523 09:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Luscombe Searelle in South Africa

Luscombe Searelle(1853-1907) in South Africa Born Isaac in Devonshire England in 1853 and raised in New Zealand from the age of 9 years. He first worked at a pianist and gradually graduated to conductor in Christchurch and ultimately composer. Few of his early compositions found much success until Estrella which became a smash hit in Australia when it was mounted by the Montague-turner Opera Company in 1884. However, by 1886 he was bankrupt and turned his sights on the newly discovered gold fields of the Witwatersrand, South Africa. On a day in 1889 a heavily weighted ox-wagon rumbled down the dusty streets of Johannesburg, bringing a small party of opera singers from their hotel rooms to welcome Searelle, tired from this long trek from the port at Durban. Among those to greet him were the talented Fenton sisters, Blanche, Searelle’s wife and Amy. They had first taken the train to railhead in Ladysmith and then transferred to stagecoach for the rest of the journey. En route the Fentons spent a night with a boer family where Amy, the nineteen year old prima donna, was given the bed President Kruger used when he passé that way; an enormous four-poster that had a ladder at its side for climbing up into. In the days that followed the contents of the ox-wagon filled the intersection of Eloff and Commissioner Street, where Luscombe Searelle’s corrugated iron “Theatre Royal” was hammered together. “The material blocked the road for days,” Headley A. Chilvers tells in his book Out of the Crucible, “but the blockade mattered little, for traffic passed easily then by taking detours over the veld.” Complete, it had a stage, stalls, comfortable boxes, a bar; and naturally costumes and scenery and dressing rooms for the temperamental opera stars. And so, oddly, this raw, rough and dusty mining town that boasted a bar to every five men and as many prostitutes received opera as its first serious form of entertainment when Searelle opened his first season with Maritana, The Bohemian Girl.

In this spirited town where gunmen shot up bars and audiences became notorious for whooping and flinging theri chairs around if a management refused to play the National Anthem, Searelle was found for an eventful stay. But this small round twenty-nine year old had enough genius and energy to ably cope with the exuberance of these immigrant Welsh miners. As an impressario, Searelle was responsible for innumerable theatre celebrities coming from London; the most famous being Genevieve Ward who in her nine month stay played in twenty-six plays including six of Shakespeare. Periodically her went on tour around Southern Africa playing in Rhodesia and Mocambique.

But, despite his genius and sporadic success, Luscombe Searelle was to be dogged throughout his life with litigation and debt, leaving in his wake a sad and tragic story.

Changing his name from Isaac Israel, Searelle went to sea at the age of thirteen, eventually settling in Australia where he was dragged through the first of a life long series of court cases.

His first visit to South Africa was with an Australian Opera Company. When he returned, this time to Johannesburg in 1889, he stayed for ten years. Besides his theatre activities he bought a 1600ha coal mine that yielded no coal, he prospected for tin in Swaziland with little succes, he fought with the Boers and was eventually hounded out of Johannesburg.

Moving to America he staged his opera Bobadil but his principals took off with his money leaving him destitute. He earned a pittance selling dusters from door to door and occasionally earned a small fee from The New York Journal for poams he submitted. Nights were often spent on park benches. Eventually Ella Wheeler Wilcox read his petry and together they wrote an opera Mizpah. It was produced in San Francisco but by then Searelle, a pauper, dying of cancer, could only view its success from a wheel-chair. After the premiere he was wheeled abefore the audience to recieve his ovation. Inspired, he rushed off to England to stage it there but by now he was too ill and died onthe 18th December 1907 aged 47.

Of his muscial ability there is no doubt. He sang, wrote, directed, composed and conducted. at the age of twenty-two his comic opera The Wreck of the Pinafore went on in london and his Estrella ran for two hundred nights at London's famous Gaity Theatre. But the vigour of this young upstart wasn't to be taken lightly by the boisterous critics of the day.

In South Africa, 'The Critic' in particular became guite outraged at the treatment Searelle gave his visiting artists.

The following article are taken from the column "Show et Antre Chose". Here we have, not only criticism of Searelle but also an insight into the life in Johannesburg at the time.....

Scenaria by Peter W. Bode

MAZAWATTE ARTICLE sent 2nd July 2007:

Reply received to this - but

1. How do I send a Picture Gallery that I have ready to accompany the article?

2. As to the query on "Sources" - those listed have been used throughout my researches and there is little point in specifying further. They are too general.

Ken Harman, England.

Hi Ken,
  1. WP:PIC should help with your first question.
  2. WP:CITE should help with your second.
At least I think that's what you're asking. Also ensure the subject meets WP:NOTABILITY standards. It could also use a copyedit for grammar, punctuation, and capitalization. LaraLoveT/C 07:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Just Edit or first Discuss?

Should I just edit an article section to make what I think is a clearly needed improvement, or should I first create a new discussion topic on the Talk page to inform others of what I'm thinking and solicit their feedback?

The specific page and section in question is: Holy_Spirit#New_Testament_background

How do I know when to just edit and when to first discuss?


--Sophronismos 23:55, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Be bold -- if you don't think the edit will be disputed by other editors, then just do it; if they have a problem with it, they'll let you know. However, if you think that an edit will be contentious, then it's probably better to discuss it first. If it's a "clearly needed improvement", I would just do it. --Haemo 23:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Baby Sign Language Site

Hi, I used to have my site listed on Wikipedia since February. All the sudden it's gone. I placed it again explaining it's full in-depth resources and all free to parents. Wonderful glossary, free online videos. I don't charge anyone anything, nor do I sell any products.

Can someone please explain to me why my site keeps disappearing from here when it was listed for a long time in the past.

Thank you sincerely!

MJ Williams

The page probably didn't sufficiently explain the importance or significance of the subject. See the speedy deletion criteria A7 and/or guidelines on web sites. Please provide more information on why the web site is worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia, such as links to newspaper articles about your site. Also see our conflict of interests guide for why you should probably avoid editing articles about your website. Thank you. Henrik 06:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Oops, scratch that - you had inserted a link only. The conflict of interests guide still applies, it is considered bad form to insert links to your own sites. Wikipedia tries to have useful articles, not just a directory of links and is thus restrictive on what sites it links to. Would you consider editing the article to insert relevant information instead? Henrik 07:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Also see WP:EL, WP:NOT and WP:RS. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-citation footnotes

  1. The table on Byte Order Mark has an asterisk in a table cell. The corresponding explanation is immediately below the table. How do I do that properly -- are there any fancy templates?
  2. What's the preferred sequence for that? First footnote *, then **, then *** ? Or * † ‡ ?

Wikipedia:Footnote seems to deal with citations only. For the article I mentioned, a citation that ends up in some "References" section is not appropriate. Thanks for helping. -- 13:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to use fancy templates, you can use {{ref}} and {{note}}, but I wouldn't recommend them in this situation. Generally speaking, you can use whatever's appropriate as long as it's consistent with the rest of the page; in tables with many notes of this form, sometimes letters are used. My personal preference would be * and **, but that's not an official rule by any means, and other possibilities would be equally legitimate. --ais523 16:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Footnoting is not just for citations; it is derived from the system of notes that is widely used in non-fiction. That is why it is common to use the title "Notes and References" whenever notes are used, but not displayed separately via the {{note}} system. So if you wish to provide notes in tables, you can still use footnotes. Adrian M. H. 17:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Tobis Portuguesa


I've writen my first article - - but I'd like to edit its title and change the word "portuguesa" for "Portuguesa" with capital letter.

How am I supposed to reach it?

Thanks for your help.

Best, Raquel Almeida Rakalmeida 13:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If your account is at least 4 days old, you can change its title with the 'move' tab at the top of the screen. Otherwise, you'll need to ask someone else for help renaming it. (I've made this move for you.) --ais523 16:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome message as new message

I'm seeing a big yellow box saying "You have new messages". It's on every single Wikipedia page I view! How do I make that crap go away?

I viewed my user page and user talk page, and there was some idiotic "Welcome to Wikipedia" message. How did that get there? I reloaded the pages several times. I also edited (= deleted) the message on my talk page. The yellow nonsense won't go away.

I've been using and editing Wikipedia for years, and under this IP for months. Why does the damn box show up now? WTF?-- 13:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Resolved. The box spontaneously went away. Apparently the action that I viewed the user talk page has some kind of time lag, so that it takes a few minutes until the yellow box notices that I viewed/deleted the messages. What a mess. -- 14:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
See bugzilla:9213; this is a known bug. --ais523 16:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Cussing is unimportant here.We can perfeclty understand what you are bothered by this problem.Again,do NOT swear!!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia is not censored--VectorPotentialTalk 21:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Where do I find a list of existing Userboxes?

I added four Userboxes to my User page a while ago and I'd now like to add some more. I cannot find the page where all of the existing ones were shown, though. Can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks.Thomprod 15:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

At WP:UBX and its sub-pages, but bear in mind the effects of the userbox migration process that occurred earlier this year, which has resulted in some userboxes being scattered around the user namespace without being listed anywhere. Adrian M. H. 16:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Adrian M. H.Thomprod 13:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

How to add a tags ?

How to add tages like "The article needs to be purged" or "the article needs grammar corrections" etc .. ??

(Asro 09:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC))

See a full list at WP:TEMPLATES. --Haemo 09:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability of an article questioned

Hi everyone, I'm new here, so I hope I've got this right!

I don't think the article The perfect robbery should be on wikipedia, I can't find any of the actors or the studio via google and as the article says, the production budget is £100! I put a notability template on the article - is this the correct procedure? Where do things go from here?! Many thanks for your time and help! LookingYourBest 16:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That's an AFD candidate. Let me know if you want to pursue that route, but need help to do it, but learning by doing is always the best way. Adrian M. H. 16:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Forgot to add: some tags, such as {{Notability}} should be accompanied by some discussion on the talk page, as you did. Although the tag should not be duplicated there. Adrian M. H. 16:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

SAL Search problems

I've created a page called "Studies in American Language."

When I search for this page, however, it says "this page does not exist." I know it takes a while for the page to become published, but I made this page more than 2 weeks ago.

When I search for Studies in American Language and click "go," then the page comes up.

How can I search for this page by clicking "search?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:06, 5 July 2007

Anything you create would be available immediately. I didn't have any trouble finding your article either by name. As you say, for some reason a search does not find it. I'd think that would find it, so that is strange. It might be because there is a user that is also named "Studies in American Language", User:Studies in American Language - Bevo 00:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
It's because the search index takes time to update; the 'Go' button searches only exact matches for titles, so updates immediately, but the 'Search' button has to index the article's full text first, which is a big job as it has to be done for existing articles as well. (2 weeks is a while for a search index update, though.) --ais523 11:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

santo tomas internment camp

I am interested in writing about the Santo Tomas Internment camp. Which was a Japanese internment camp in the Philippines on the grounds of, and using the buildings of Santo Tomas University. I have tried to add a link to an external site about some of those held at the Prison Camp to the Santo Tomas University page, and it keeps getting deleted.It has come to me that it may warrant a separate page. I'm very new to editing/adding to Wikipedia, and am not sure how to do this, or even if it should be done.
Any ideas? Tomincharlotte 22:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your question. If this is the site you're talking about, then I think the problem was that you were adding the link without adding anything to the article. The point of the encyclopedia is for people to be able to read about a subject here rather than be sent off to sites all over the Internet. There are only two lines about the subject in the University of Santo Tomas article, so if you add material to that article and cite the website as a reference, you're more likely to be successful. You might also want to read the External links guideline and, if that's your own website the Conflict of interest guideline. Happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 15:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Can an editor post something written by a blocked editor

On [1] there are two editors posting an article written by another editor, Ilena Rosenthal. She is blocked for a year and indefinitely to post on any site that is an alternate because an ARB [2] ruled she has COI problems in real life. Now I have an editor asking me to show policy that the article she wrote is not allowed. Now I am disabled and have a slow learning curve but what I posted prior to the response I got took me two day to put together. I would really appreciate anyone's help on this. The article Stephen Barrett is totally protected right now do to flame wars and so on. I am just trying real hard to follow policy and would appreciate knowing whether I am correct or not. Thank you for you time, --CrohnieGalTalk 23:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

She is specifically blocked from editing Wikipedia because of her disruptive behavior. However, since she is still a notable personage, her work can be cited as a source -- however, you are right in arguing that it is probably inappropriate to include it, given that she has some serious biases with respect to the issue in question. --Haemo 23:28, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


Please give an example of a source citation. Stchamb 14:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your question! The best place to read about how to cite sources is at the Citing sources style guideline.
The easiest way to cite an (online) source is to simply place the URL inside of square brackets next to the item you're sourcing. For example if you type [] what'll show up in the text will be [3] which someone can click and be brought to the site where you found the information.
However, that method doesn't give people much information without having to go to the other site. It is better to use footnotes instead and to format them using citation templates that you just fill out. Hope this addresses your question. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 15:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing article title

I have inadvertently just created an article entitled Arthur longmore, instead of Arthur Longmore. The edit page does not appear to let me alter the title, so how do I change the relevant letter into upper case?

Charles Phipps 14:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems that Rebecca (talk · contribs) already has fixed it for you. However, for your future reference the way to change a page's title is to use the "move" function. As a brand new editor, you may be required to wait for a few days before your account is given access to that function, if I'm not mistaken. Anyways, once you have it, it will be a tab next to the *history* tab at the top of a page. Thanks for your additions to the project! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 14:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


I recently wrote an article,three days ago,about my old school,Bellahouston Academy. I was told today that someone had requested it to be deleted,however I requested that the deletion be delayed.I was righting a reply in the talk page about why it should not be deleted,when I was told it had been deleted! I was also trying to categorize it without success. I get the feeling some jokers are around having articles deleted for fun. There are other articles about other schools,Bellahouston Academy is over 100 years old,[since 1876],and is a famous institution in Glasgow,so I feel it has been unfairly deleted. Please reply and explain why the article was deleted without myself having the chance to defend it. And is there any possiblity it can be re-submitted? Hopefully I will receive a reply in the near future.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Danniescorer (talkcontribs) 15:05, 6 July 2007

Hi there and thanks for writing. The deletion log for the article reads:
What that means is that the article was deleted under the Criteria for speedy deletion's rule for articles number seven, "Unremarkable people, groups, companies and web content. An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject."
Subjects of articles in the encyclopedia are supposed to meet the notability guidelines, basically they should have been non-trivially mentioned in multiple non-primary reliable sources that can then be cited in the article to verify the information.
There has been a long running debate about whether secondary schools are inherently notable, so you'll find that there are some school articles have been kept when others have been deleted. If you can establish notability as described in the guidelines, an article has a better chance of not being deleted.
You might want to read Why was my page deleted? for more information about all this and about what you can do.
Finally, don't be offput by the deletion, lots of us have had our stuff deleted too, but that is the nature of the collaboration. As you get more used to the way things work here, it will happen less often. Happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 15:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you still have the markup for what you wrote about the Bellahouston academy? If so, instantiate it temporarily as a subpage of your user page (as a sandbox to construct it in) and let me know where it is, and I'll give you a review of how (if possible) to make it less likely to attract speedy deletion activity. - Bevo 20:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikibooks PDF

Is it good idea to distribute the wikibooks content on pdf or HTML as it will serve good for offline purpose,what you think do we allow the users to make PDF for the content as it is under GPL.what you think ?

Please let me know about this.maheshkale

I think you're asking whether it would be okay to take content from Wikibooks, which is in HTML, and convert it into PDF form for your own use. Per Wikibooks' Readers' FAQ,"All Wikibooks pages are free for private use (and public, assuming the GFDL is followed), so you are entirely free to download pages for offline perusal and do what you will with them, be it converting them into a single long HTML page, a PDF or what have you.". Hope that anwers you question; if not, stop back. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 07:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

How to create my userpage ?

Dear Friends , I Tried to Create My User Page and i can't do that. This is the link for creating/editing my user page. (Their is nothing at my userpage) When i go to this page in Mozilla Firefox/Internet Explorer.Download Dialog Appears and it downloads the index.php file. Please Help Me to Create My Userpage.

Shahul Hameed 06:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. The problem is in the settings you have under "my preferences". Per the FAQ at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical): If you are asked to download a file (index.php) when trying to edit, or your browser launches an image editor when trying to edit, disable "Use external editor" on your MediaWiki user preferences. On the most recent version of MediaWiki (as of 21-May-2007), this is found under the "Editing" tab. Hope that helps. Stop back if it doesn't. Cheers!—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 07:03, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


What games,foods,or songs do they have in Madagascar??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2007

This is for questions from new editors about editing WP. You can try the Ref Desk. Please don't post twice; I removed your previous addition of this question. Adrian M. H. 18:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

How to copy a page, modify it and add it as a new page


There is so much stuff on getting started, its very difficult to actually do it. I feel like I've chasing links in circles for the last hour or so.

I want to add pages to an existing area about The Dresden Files. The easiest way to keep them consistent would be to copy one of the pages on the books and just change the info there to match the next book and insert. Copy-edit seems to apply to replacing a page with an updated page, but I want to leave the original and add a page instead.

Thanks, --Seiscat 19:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you mean by "area" and explain what books you are referring to and exactly what you intend to do with them in relation to WP? Adrian M. H. 21:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
edit conflicted
Hello and thanks for your question! There are a couple of ways you can do this.
The simplest would be to simply create a redlink from the parent article The Dresden Files to the title of the article you want to create, then paste the contents of another page you want to use as a format into it and then edit away. The disadvantage of this is that someone's likely to come along and think you're creating a redundant article or something and nominate it for deletion.
What I would recommend would be that you use a subpage of your user page. To start off with, to get to your userpage, click on your username in the upper right corner of the window. You can edit your user page to tell the rest of us about yourself and your interests here on Wikipedia. To creat a subpage to develop an article, create a link on your user page of the form [[/example]], then after you've saved the page, click on the link and edit away. You can than cut and paste the contents from one of the other articles onto the subpage to change it into what you want. The benefits of doing it this way is that someone won't come along and delete it before you're done fixing it up. When you're done getting the article ready for primetime, you can use the *move* function to put it into the mainspace where all the articles are (you don't have access to the move function because you're a brand new user, wait a few days and it will show up automatically among the tabs at the top of your window).
A couple of caveats about using this method. You don't want your user subpage sorted in categories or as a stub, so you should change category links by putting a colon in the front, e.g. [[:Category:Example]]; and for stub templates, put tl| in the front, e.g. {{tl|example-stub}}
Anyways, I know this was a bit lengthy. If you need clarification on any of the points, please stop back!—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

A question on WikiProjects

Would it be possible to start a WikiProject on malware? I've noticed that MANY (actually, this is a misnomer because there are not many articles on this topic in the first place!) articles on malware are in a state of disrepair (such as Vundo trojan, which I want to move to Vundo, and Avira which is a notable antivirus company). If anyone could help me with this, and/or if anyone is interested, don't hesitate to contact me. Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 01:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure. You can check at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals‎ to see if there is an existing proposal, or create a proposal to see how many are interested as well. -- ReyBrujo 01:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
You might also want to ask on the Village Pump; you're more likely to get a better response there -- this is more of a "help me" page, for problems editing, not setting up projects and stuff. --Haemo 01:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Aye, I gotcha. *Zeratul nudges you and orders you to keep silent :) Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 01:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
You also posted to Wikipedia:Help desk#WikiProject Malware? and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Malware within 30 minutes. I will copy my reply:
Are you aware of Wikipedia:WikiProject Malware? It appears inactive but trying to revive it may be the best. PrimeHunter 02:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation to non-existing articles

I have to edit the page None of the above (disambiguation) for a new article I am preparing. The page shows two entries with no associated articles, one of these with a link to a "semi-pro" music group. I guess these links are not allowed?--Peter Eisenburger 18:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

It is acceptable to have entries without links for definitions that can be considered important to include; that is quite common. Use of an external link – which probably ought to be prohibited/discouraged on disambiguation pages if it is not already so – suggests an ulterior motive for that particular entry. Use your judgment when deciding whether to remove either or both of them. Adrian M. H. 19:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
The rules for disambiguation pages are expained at Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) and Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Disambiguation pages are there to help readers to quickly find what they're looking for, red links should only exist if the editor is confident that subject will become an article at some point, there's really no reason to have an external link on a disambiguation page at all. In the case you linked to, I would erase the two links in question since without further proof, I don't see enough notability in either of them for an article. Thanks for the question! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Foreign-language Wikipedias

I just signed in and would like to contribute in an other language. However, as soon as switch I have to sogn again and than my sign is not recognate. What I ahve to do? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Everjung (talkcontribs) 21:02, 9 July 2007

Every WP is unique and self-contained, just as every wiki is. Adrian M. H. 20:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
You'll need to create a separate account on the other language Wikipedia. Tra (Talk) 20:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Article creation query

Hi guys. I'd like permission to create a new article.

The article would be about my graphics design company called ZeroTen. I've recently registered the company with Company House (as I'm British).

Please get back to me on this. Thanks guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhys fry (talkcontribs)

Thanks for checking in before posting - for company articles, there are a few guidelines to consider before doing so. You should look at the notability guidelines for companies before you start, particularly whether your company has enough multiple, non-trivial reliable sources to be deemed notable. If it doesn't meet the guidelines, chances are the article will be deleted. You may want to look at our conflict of interest guidelines as well - it's generally not the greatest idea to write articles about something you're strongly involved with, as it could be considered promotional. Often, if the company or subject is notable, someone else will write an article about it. Take a look at those guidelines, and see if your company falls under them before you create an article on them - it could save some time and grief. Cheers. Tony Fox (arf!) review? 23:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


how do you avollded being banned —Preceding unsigned comment added by MountainD (talkcontribs) 13:53, 10 July 2007

It's really pretty simple: mind NPOV, don't be a dick and ignore all rules. Some more details are here: Wikipedia:Trifecta. If you have more detailed questions about specific policies in different areas, you're welcome to follow up with a more detailed question. Henrik 13:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sonic the hedgehog

can you guys call me Sonic and I will call you guys other characters on Sonic--MountainD 13:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

There already is a user named Sonic (talk · contribs), so no I don't think we should call you that because it would just cause confusion. You should call other people you meet here by their usernames because a lot of people will have no idea what you're talking about otherwise. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 15:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Petitions & POA

where can i follow update in a petition?.........& where can i check for power of attorney?—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:36, 10 July 2007

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 14:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Problems creating a new entry

I just created a new entry and the system told me that a page didn't exist for this entry. I know that, that's why I'm trying to create it! I would prefer to create the page with a subject that already exists (a person with the same name as someone who already has an entry) but I can't see any way to do this either. I am not a technologist and much of the language here soars way over my head, so I would appreciate advice in 'normal' English, please.


Am I supposed to put this Pbitton 03:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC) instead of my user name? Instructions are not clear to me.

Pbitton 03:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! First of all, when creating a new entry and saving it, it may take a few seconds for the database to catch up. If you create a new entry, save the page, and get a page telling you that there is no such page, try pressing F5 or CTRL+F5 (that is, letting the Ctrl key pressed and press F5 at the same time), to force your browser to get the page again. If you want to create a page about someone, but another someone exists with the same name but is not the one you were referring to, you need to slightly change your article title. In example, suppose you want to create a page about a famous soldier, John Bob. However, there is already a John Bob article. So, your article should be called John Bob (soldier) instead of John Bob. If there is already a soldier's page named John Bob (soldier), then you need to disambiguate even more, in example, John Bob (american soldier), John Bob (1880 soldier), etc.
Finally, you sign with four tildes, which will put your name and date/time to your post, allowing us to know who and when someone wrote something. -- ReyBrujo 04:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating problem

hi! I am a new user. I am a student of C.S.E. i am keen to create various content. But i do not know, how to do that and what format is needed to create content ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belal cse (talkcontribs)

Hello. Wikipedia:Tutorial or Help:Editing might be be helpful. Also, don't forget to sign your posts to talk pages with four tildes ~~~~. This will add your username and a timestamp. Cheers, shotwell 07:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

How to rename an article?

See below :) -- Stwalkerster talk 12:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I change an article title?

Tell me please:

  1. How can I change an article title?
  2. Why I can't find my article via "Search"?
  3. What should I do for having it listed in search engines, for example, by Google?
  1. Go to the article, and click the move button at the top
  2. It may take a while for the search indexes to be updated
  3. You can't do this. It will be automatically updated by Google sometime in the future.
) -- Stwalkerster talk 12:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank You! I can't see any "Move" button. Do I need time for it? One more question: when the search engines are updated already, will it be possible to find certain article typing one of the words of its title and pressing "Search" button? Or it will be necessary to type the whole title without a single mistake?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gayane Gharakhanyan (talkcontribs) 13:35, 11 July 2007

Hi and thanks for your questions. The "move" tab takes a few days to appear for new accounts to prevent abuse. It will show up next to your "history" tab at the top of each page in a few days. As for the search function, yes it will find words within articles, it's the "go" button that takes you straight to an article's title. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 14:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Getting Help

I started the page mitotic inhibitor. How can I get other contributers to help me flesh it out? I am inexperienced as far as writing for wikipedia, so I need some help formatting the article to wikipedia's standards. Can you respond via my talk page? Thanks. Dancanm 16:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-urgent: Database closed for maintenance, seemed like over nine hours

I'm not exactly new, but the problem is new to me and this is mostly a test to see if it persists. A bit before 1:45 PM EET DST (nine hours ago) I tried to edit Wikipedia_talk:Welcoming_committee/Welcome_to_Wikipedia and got an error message that the "Database is closed for maintenance" and that I should save my edit in a file (which I did). Now I tried to edit my own user page some five minutes ago and and got the same error message. I wonder what is up... I always do a "show preview" before saving, if that could affect anything. --Ronja Addams-Moring 19:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, this worked - now I'll see if I can do the other edits... --Ronja Addams-Moring 19:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
And now the other edits also worked - ??? If anyone has a good guess about what this strange phenomenon was, please do comment. No hurry - there seems to be no acute problem now. Thanks! --Ronja Addams-Moring 20:05, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the database actually was locked for 9 hours, since I and everyone else has been able to edit all day. I think it must have been that the database was locked briefly on a few separate occasions today, and you were unlucky and tried to edit on two occasions when the database was locked. Tra (Talk) 21:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Question dissapeared

Hi, I posted a question here a short time ago... I checked back for an answer and it's gone. Do they get moved or simply deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzzzy (talkcontribs) 22:51, 12 July 2007 Please remember to sign comments. Thanks. Adrian M. H. 21:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If it is not on this very long list, then it got archived. When using project pages, make sure that you watchlist them and check them regularly (a few times each day, for example) so that you do not miss replies. Adrian M. H. 21:55, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way I can check the archives? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazzzzy (talkcontribs)
(EC) Actually, your contribs show that this is your first edit to this page. I guess you must have been mistaken, unless you posted anonymously? For reference, the archives are linked at the top of the page, as always for talk and project pages. You sign with four tildes, by the way. Adrian M. H. 22:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
My guess is that you're getting this page confused with the Help desk, here's a link to your post there Wikipedia:Help desk#Deletion Code. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 22:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Your're right, I was on the wrong page... thanks for your help! -Jaz

Bio Eric Gibbons on Wikipedia, references/sources

I have many references and resources about this artist (Eric Gibbons) in both press and via other internet pages. I just do not see how to add them to the listing I created about him.

I follow the links and just don't get it.

I have a stack of magazine articles, and internet sources I would like to reference.

Thanks, <e-mail removed>

PS: How about adding some of his images to the page too. He has released 2 for use on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovsart (talkcontribs) 05:09, 13 July 2007

See WP:FN and this advice. Adrian M. H. 15:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Postomus Awards of WWII Distinguish Service Cross

Wher could I go to find a list of the men in WW II who received the Distinguish Service Cross Award in the Texas 36th Inantry Division? My mother received one for my Dad who was kill in the War.His name was 1st Lt. Melvin Richard Clemens, he dies in France on Sept. 16, 1944.

Thank you his son M. Richard Clemens Jr. (E-Mail removed for security purposes)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Clemens (talkcontribs) 11:34, 13 July 2007 Use wikipedia as an excylopedia look up D.S.C. award. If it does not exist think about starting one. Your local museums / regimental records office would be a good place to start. --Edmund Patrick 12:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your post! The Distinguished Service Cross (United States Army) article says that this medal was awarded nearly five thousand times during WWII, so I don't think we're going to have a complete list of recipients here on the encyclopedia. I was able to follow one of the external links from that article and found this page with your father listed under Tarrant County. I would like to take the opportunity to thank you and your family for their own personal sacrifices with the loss of your father in defence of our freedom. Thank you.—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 16:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I ad a "Editing Stub"?

I wanted to create a basic company profile for a major company in Pittsburgh. There is already a page for it, but no content. I think it would be best for me to give a little background about the company and then allow others to contribute. How can I include the stub I see on so many incomplete articles to encourage people to expand on the article?

PrattTA1 14:20, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Type {{stub}}. --ST47Talk 14:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Pick a suitable type from the list at WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types: this will categorise it correctly to assist with sorting. Adrian M. H. 15:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

link trouble between Guayaquil UEES pages

on the Guayaquil page

The link to UEES under the list of universities

Universidad de Especialidades Espíritu Santo [UEES]

used to go to the UEES university stub

now goes to ¨UEES/¨ a non-existant page

I tried to fix it and made things worse

It worked before, and now it won´t. what happened?

How do we fix it?

Aprofe1 15:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your question! I've fixed it for you. The problem was that you had a "/" after the title in the URL on the page. You should know that you don't need to use the whole URL to link from one page on the Wiki to another, you need only to type the title of the page inside of double square brackets. For example, if you type [[Main page]] in your edit window, when you've saved it the output will be Main page. Hopes this helps you out. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 16:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Great! I´ll go check it now. How did you do it when I couldn´t? I´m still confused on how it happened.

Aprofe1 18:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There are two ways of creating links in Wikipedia.
You can link to an external webpage like this:
[ what to show]
Note the space between the web address and the text you want to display. The above code produces this:
what to show
If you want to link to a page WITHIN Wikipedia, it's even simpler. Just use double brackets around the word:
You can complicate this slightly, which is where the | comes in:
[[Universidad de Especialidades Espíritu Santo|UEES]]
- note that this links to "Universidad de Especialidades Espíritu Santo", not "UEES".
Hope that helps, remember you can try it out in the sandbox if you want to get to grips with it!
All the best, Verisimilus T 22:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


i want to know details of my account like incoming calls ,outgoing calls any special offer for me i want to know calls which came on my mobile in this week — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

This is Wikipedia, not Vodafone. Adrian M. H. 13:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

What's this?

On 'my contributions' page, it says (top) behind some of the entries, and I can't figure out what it means?! Bobby Doorknobs 14:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

That means noone else has edited the page since you made that edit. If you look at the page's history, yours would be on the top. --ST47Talk 14:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok thanks :) Bobby Doorknobs 14:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

adding a link to a free help forum for reclaiming bank charges in the uk....

I am a member of a free advice forum that helps people reclaim their bank charges in the uk. We also give free advice for consumer issues, debt, etc... There is No charge whatsoever.... We are all people who have already fought and won loads of claims.... All we are doing is helping people research their rights and support them emotionally whilst they do... I recently added our free site and an explanation of what we do to your bank charges page....but had it removed as I had linked to our free site... I noticed that there is another uk website on the page, but they expect what they call donations for their help and are registered as a Buisness here in the UK.... All I want to do is put a page up as the other site has already done here.... Explaining the sites mission statement show the legalities needed to start a claim, case history and support that the site offers...... Please feel free to have a look if you need to verify this in any way....

I just want to help people find the resources they need to reclaim the charges, fight debt and advice needed in consumer issues.....

Thanks for your time.... Russ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legalbeagles (talkcontribs) 16:04, 14 July 2007

I'll have to keep this brief, so I suggest that you read EL, COI, and SPAM. Someone else may have more time to explain the consensus about external links and how we deal with them. Adrian M. H. 16:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Placing disambiguation pages in Categories relating to articles listed on the page

Please see this example: the disambig page Pilot is in Category:American pit vipers by common name. Is this acceptable/advisable? I can't find anything in the Manual of Style referring to the issue. Is there a forum on disambig pages to which I can refer? Rexparry sydney 04:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

No, it should be on Pilot snake, not the disambiguation page. --Haemo 04:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
That isn't acceptable. One of the articles in Pilot should be in the cat, not the whole thing. Giggy UCP 04:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

linking text entry and picture

I have created a short referenced article on ParcAberporth, a new research facility in West Wales. I have a very good air to ground picture of the site (press release - public domain) which I have posted. The photograph appears to be as a separate page 'ParcAberporth Image'.

Have I done something wrong?

How do I merge (ideally) or link (at least) the two pages?

I have read the instructions about links and cannot understand them as they are far too technical. I was utterly bewildered hence this question.

Normanthehat 08:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

You should first link the image with square brackets, like so: [[Image:ParcAberporth - aerial closeup.JPG]] Ideally, you need a size specified and some other parameters, so the final product will probably be this:
[[Image:ParcAberporth - aerial closeup.JPG|thumb|250px|right|ParcAberporth]]
Try sticking that at the top of the article.--Chaser - T 08:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Image thumbs float right by default, so you don't need to include that bit unless positioning elsewhere. Adrian M. H. 16:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks, guys, that did the trick. Normanthehat 09:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page

Hello. I am the great great great nephew of Bill Powers, a person that was involved in the "Dalton gang." I noticed that wiki didn't have a page on him, so I was wondering if it would be okay if I were to make one. Their is little information of him on the internet, and combine that with what my family knows, it might make a okay article. So, would it be okay if I did? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burned17 (talkcontribs) 01:57, 16 July 2007

Well, yes, but just make sure that all the facts you use can be cited to reliable sources; especially if they're likely to be challenged. --Haemo 04:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

how do I get my article on wikipedia

I posted a seriously-written article to wikipedia, but all that happens is people adding crap to it. I don`t see how it will ever be improved or get through the editing process in this way. Did I do something wrong or is this normal procedure?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Frankvanderheyden (talkcontribs).

Well, you could remove the "crap"; but in general, yes, you post an article and then other people edit it. It's up to everyone to keep our articles in good shape. --Haemo 04:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Looking at what your account did in the contributions, the article was streaming current. All that seems to have happened was that it was added to a category. However you added your article to Wikipedia:Introduction which seems to be used as a test bed for everyone trying out editing. GB 23:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating an info box

How do I create a side info box? I.E. the box that enables me to list just name, and general information on the page that I've created?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gavcjs (talkcontribs).

I am certain that the list of infoboxes will give you the right one to cut, and paste to the article. Just fill in the blanks as directed. --Haemo 04:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with side bar text

I am trying to incorporate a table on the left side of my article listing the Type of Company, the Founder, the corporate location, as well as the logo picture at the top of the table. This is seen in several wiki business and city entries on the left hand side, it's in a grey box...Not sure what to do... Thanks!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

See {{Infobox Company}}. Copy the markup, paste it on the page and fill in the requisite information.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

inadequately sourced / tendentious point of view

Some papes have boxes where readers have asked for better sources or criticised the tone. How does one add such a box? I have made comments on the talk page of the page concerned but I think people only track whether a change in the page itself has been made. Thanks for advice Sebatianalfar 19:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

With many, tags, it is good practice to do both; ie, accompany a tag with an explanation on the talk page. See TM for the full lists. Don't forget to date them when you add them. {{Unreferenced|date=July 2007}} Adrian M. H. 19:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

thanks adrian, in the meantime i had found the page ...but your link seems better, and thanks for the tip about dating the entry Sebatianalfar 19:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

how to delete an uploaded image?

--Ixyuxx 22:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)xy

Hi and thanks for your question! Only administrators can delete files or articles. Before you request a deletion you should read and understand the following:
The two major ways that images are deleted are:
  1. Speedy deletion, if the reason for deletion meets a limited set of reasons.
  2. Images for deletion, a discussion among editors to decide whether to delete an image.
There are other avenues that images can go through sometimes depending on whether there is a problem with their copyright status.
If you would tell us a little more detail about the image and why you think it should be deleted, we could help you more.
Thanks again for writing and happy editing!—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 01:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Shared accounts

I am starting to contribute to both the french and english wikipedia. I had to create an account on each separately, is there a way to use one shared account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doxbit (talkcontribs) 22:35, 17 July 2007

Please remember to make a new section for new topics (the plus tab) and sign your posts. To answer your query, there is currently no provision for cross-wiki accounts. A shared account system has been in development for some time, but is unlikely – I would estimate – to be implemented until next year at the earliest, if at all, since I have not heard any news about it for a while. I do not know the extent of its capability, so it might not include foreign-language Wikipedias. It was primarily intended to cater for users of Wiki Commons, Meta, Mediawiki, and so on. Adrian M. H. 21:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Auto-updating one wiki page off of changes to another wiki page

How you can make a page auto-update with information from another page (all within a wiki). If someone adds to a list, can you make another page reflect that addition? thanks—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 05:22, 18 July 2007

Hello and thanks for your question. The way to do something like this is by the use of templates. If you give us more details about what you want to do, we may be able to help you more. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 18:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Questionable image

Can someone tell me if the image on the Lise Skaret article is acceptable? I know Wikipedia is not censored, but I still wasn't sure whether it's appropriate. --Mapalalla 05:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course. It is always acceptable on Wikiipdia to show the human anatomy, as long as it is appropriate (by that I mean appropriate to the article, not censored). Also, I am not a freak, but I actually like it. The only time a picture is discouraged is if
  1. It is not meaningful to the article, and
  2. It is meant to shock or disturb people. That image was not. ionas68224|talk|contribs|email 12:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I would say that it is not acceptable and should be deleted. Not due to WP:CENSOR, but due to WP:BLP. Wikipedia exists in the real world, and a rash act by a 19 year old girl shouldn't be forever immortalized in an encyclopedia. henriktalk 12:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Swat Pong

I was creating a page called "Swat Pong." Why did somebody delete that article? How do I bring back my work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JGWentworth (talkcontribs) 16:38, 18 July 2007

See the deletion log at Swat Pong. Failed WP:N. Adrian M. H. 16:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


I have a Microsoft Internet Explorer browser and a Windows XP 2000. I don't know if it's with everybody, my computer, or my browser but Arial cannot show Tibetan. I downloaded a font called "jomolhari" to the computer and it can read Tibetan. So, I changed the Tibetan script in some articles to Jomolhari font. Am I doing something wrong by chanigng the font for Tibetan in WP articles? Should I change it back? ionas68224|talk|contribs|email 00:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

What you are doing is specifying a font that most readers will not have, which leaves their browsers having to use the default font (which varies). One of the web designer's maxims is "never specify a font that some or most users may not have, because it is largely a waste of effort and at worst results in some users not seeing any readable text (depending on their browser). That's why the font declarations of most well-coded sites contain more than one font choice, finishing with a family such as sans serif. So, yes, you should revert your edits because your changes will not give your intended effect for most users and may make things worse for a minority. [4] shows a list of browser-safe fonts. Adrian M. H. 21:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
On a closely related note, WP uses the UTF-8 character set, and many special characters can be created from that. Adrian M. H. 21:35, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually, none of those "common" fonts can display Tibetan letters. When it displays in Arial, for example the word "Tibet" displays in Jomolhari as: བོད། whereas in Arial it displays as box-box-box-box. I don't know how to do anything else because none of those "regular" font faces display Tibetan. ionas68224|talk|contribs|email 23:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
You might want to consider taking this question to Village pump (technical) where they may be more able than us to suggest a solution to this issue. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I copied the source of my question and am going to take it to the Village Pump. ionas68224|talk|contribs|email 02:38, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I am aware that browser-safe fonts will not display Tibetan characters, since those characters are not written into the font. That's why your change makes, at best, no improvement. No one else will have Jomolhari, and Wikimedia is not going to start using forced font downloads. Adrian M. H. 12:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Search delay

When I search for "Gary Klein," three names appear: Gary Klein (disambiguation) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Gary Klein is the name of:

Gary Klein, aluminum bicycle designer and manufacturer Gary A. Klein, American researcher in decision making Gary Klein, songwriter and record producer & co-writer of "(I Wish I Was) Bobby's Girl".

The first two names have links and the last Gary Klein does not have a link. I am the last Gary Klein and don't understand why there is not a link to my article. I can find the article only by searching on "Gary Klein Biography" and clicking "go."

Most likely I've done something wrong, but I've searched around and can't find a solution.

I'd be greateful for any help you may offer. Please reply to mytalk. My user name is N2ifi.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by N2ifi (talkcontribs) 22:58, 19 July 2007

Please ensure that you use a section heading (I have added one for you) and sign your comments. Your article was created today, which leaves insufficient time to find it in a search. The database updates periodically. With regard to the article, you should make sure that it meets Verifiability with references to reliable secondary sources. Notability is also a potential issue, and the phrase "I am ... Gary Klein" suggests a COI issue, so it is important that you are aware of that guideline. Message me if you would like my assistance/advice. Adrian M. H. 22:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
For reference, you will see Gary Klein (producer) listed in your contribs, as I have moved the article to comply with Naming Conventions. Adrian M. H. 22:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Daitō-ryū aiki-jūjutsu

Dear Sir/ Madam: I need your assistance and deeply appreciate you help. story: I had tried many times to add up the updated information to the Daito-ryu aikijujutsu/ Kodokai section-Yonezawa's bokuyokan item. anyhow, somebody ( unknown person) removed it as soon as I did it. would you please tell why ? and who did it ? this is a free page which any body can edit, add up if it is correct. am I right? your answer would be deeply appreciated. Tim Tung (e-mail address: <removed>) 07.20.2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shihantimtung (talkcontribs)

It seems you succeeded this time. At least, no one has reverted you yet. Anyway, it's all in the page's history. You tried twice. The first time, Mateo2006 reverted you. Nothing has happened since the second time.--Chaser - T 04:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I suggest you seek dispute resolution with the user Mateo2006. I am in no position to say anything about whether the edit(s) are correct or not, not knowing the subject, but the two of you can discuss the issue. You might want to see Wikipedia's notability guidelines to see if the group (?) you are adding is notable or not, though. x42bn6 Talk Mess 04:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Problems deleting a user page

Hello. I'm not sure who will receive this, but thank you SO much in advance for your time and assistance. I have reviewed the FAQs regarding how to delete a user page, but I do not understand how to do so, based on the information provided. The reason I would like to delete a user page is this: I am going to be setting up a Wkipedia page for a nonprofit organization, and I would like to begin the process using a different user name than the one I established yesterday (7/19/07). Can someone please advise, in the most simplest of terms, how I should go about deleting the current user name/page??? Thank you!! Newleaders newschools 17:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't have a user page yet. Hence the red link. If you did wish to delete your own UP content, you would mark it with {{db-user}} I think you are confusing user pages with acounts, and those you cannot delete (otherwise we'd fail to uphold the GFDL, because a user's contributions record would be lost). You may abondon the account if you wish, but I have to question your reason for doing so: you are not trying to avoid accusations of COI are you? Adrian M. H. 18:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello and thanks for your question. I agree with Adrian M. H. that what you probably mean is that you want to set up a new user account since you don't have a user page set up. To do so you need only sign in with a new user name and password. As Adrian M. H. said your old account can't be deleted because it's contribution history is required for copyright and licensing attribution.
Also, when you write about, "setting up a Wkipedia page for a nonprofit organization", I'm assuming you mean an organization you are involved in. Please note that Wikipedia is not a webspace provider. For inclusion in the encyclopedia an organization must meet the relevant notability criteria. In general a subject needs to have been mentioned in multiple, secondary, reliable sources that can then be cited in an article to verify the information. Also, you should read and understand how our conflict of interest guideline impacts you. Basically it is very hard to comply with our neutral point of view policy if you are personally involved with a subject. I imagine we have more than answered your questions. Thanks a lot for writing and feel free to ask any more questions you may have. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 18:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Citing a book when I have a link to a pdf of relevant excerpt?

How do you cite the book while linking to the relevant pdf for people who don't own the book? Is there a clean way to do this? Rsheridan6 04:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:CITET holds the answer:
{{cite book | last = | first = | authorlink = | coauthors = | title = | publisher = | date = | location = | pages = | url = | doi = | id = | isbn = }}
--Haemo 04:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
You may prefer to look at the order (and style) in which the fields will appear and copy that without using the template. Less typing and pasting, easier for you and others to maintain later, same end result. Adrian M. H. 16:24, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

How to put a picture in an article!

Dear sir/Madam! It is me salimswati. I have created some artiles for wikipedia but I dont know how to put an image/picture ? would you like to tell me how to put that? For example there is an article Saidu teaching hospital I wish to put the picture of the hospital but dont know how to put? please help me with great thanks. salimswati —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salimswati (talkcontribs) 06:47, 21 July 2007

WP:IMAGES should be able to help you through the process. Just be sure to tag the images with an appropriate license. LaraLove 05:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Grandparents Day in Ireland

Sunday the 23rd September is Grandparents Day in Ireland. Families are encouraged to take make the day an occassion for honouring our grandparents and the role of grandparenthood. Families will go the local public parks, or the beach, or the zoo. All families who celebebrate the day with a family gathering will be given a certificate of merit signed by the Lord Mayor of Dublin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirwan (talkcontribs) 08:41, 23 July 2007

That is very interesting. You might want to make an addition to the National Grandparents' Day article, it seems it's rather U.S. centered right now and expansion will be welcomed. Happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 13:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Problem with Title

The article Percutaneous Hepatic Perfusion cannot be accessed directly. I believe this is because the title's words are uncapitalized and the links are capitalized. What is the easiest way to correct this problem or move the page? Onc1975 14:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hello and thanks for your post. I believe you mean the Percutaneous hepatic perfusion article. As you can see there is no problem linking to it directly. I think the problem you're having has to do with one of our conventions here on Wikipedia. To quote from our Naming conventions manual of style, "For page titles, always use lowercase after the first word, and do not capitalize second and subsequent words, unless: the title is a proper noun.". Hope that helps some. Happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 14:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
The title that does not link, can be redirected to the correct article, by creating the article and putting in #REDIRECT [[Percutaneous hepatic perfusion]]. This can be done for alternative names. GB 23:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


I was wondering if for the page Delcath Systems, Inc. it is superfluous to add a redirect for a search of "Delcath." I added it because the only way to access the page directly from the Wikipedia search engine is to write the name out in full. It seems to be the convention to write out a company's formal name as the title. Onc1975 14:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

You did precisely the right thing. If there is a term which people are likely to use to find an article which is not the name of the article itself, a redirect is the right tool. On the other hand, if an article is named improperly, you can rename the page to fix the problem. It isn't superfluous: it makes finding the desired article easier for everyone. Nihiltres(t.l) 14:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, the redirect message displays "“Delcath” redirects here. For other uses, see Delcath (disambiguation)." Is there a way to get rid of the second sentence as there are no other uses on Wikipedia? Also, how does a page's notability become approved? Onc1975 16:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. I re-created the Delcath redirect for you a little bit ago as it had been deleted a few weeks ago as a blank page. The reason you have that message about "Delcath redirects here" is because there's a disambiguation "hatnote" template at the top of the article. Personally I'd say that it could be removed because there doesn't seem to be any other articles that this one is going to be confused with.
As to notability, there is no process of approval per se, however if a subject doesn't meet the guideline I linked to at the start of this paragraph it could be subject to deletion.
Thanks for your questions and happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 16:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I add a suggestion to Wikipedia?

I don't mean suggest an article, I mean a suggestion that can improve the way Wikipedia functions.

I have tried WP:Suggest, WP:Suggestions...I search "How to make a suggestion" but it didn't return anything of value...

So I wanted to know where the page to make a suggestion is.

Thanks in advance,
Gbenemy 19:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Village Pump. Unless it is software-related; that's Bugzilla. Adrian M. H. 19:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Adrian M. H..
Gbenemy 19:36, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
It's related to the operations of Wikipedia and regarding editing pages.
Gbenemy 19:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Make sure you go to the correct part of the Pump. Policy and Technical are the most likely stops. The Rhymesmith 20:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


Jose Salvador is a news producer for Fox Television in New York, NY. Jose began his television career in 1995 as an intern for WPEC the CBS affiliate in West Palm Beach, Florida. He moved from Camera Operator up the ranks as a Writer and Associate Producer. He then became a producer for WPEC TV in 1998.

In 2002 he jumped to WFOR (CBS) in Miami, Florida. He produced the 6pm & 11pm weekend newscasts, as well as the 5:30pm newscast during the week.

In 2004 Salvador becaume Executive Producer of Special Projects. Over seeing many projects with Ocean Drive Magazine.

Jose Salvador was instrumental in coverage of several hurricanes that hit Florida.

In October 2005, Jose left Miami for the Fox flagship station in New York City, WNYW.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 00:06, 24 July 2007

  • Are you trying to create an article about Jose Salvador? The Rhymesmith 00:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi and thanks for your post. As The Rhymesmith pointed out above, you seem to be trying to create an article. This is not the correct place to do that. Instead you should gather up a few reliable sources to verify the notability of your subject, and visit the articles for creation page. Alternatively you can register for a user name and start an article yourself; however if you don't follow the notability guideline I linked to above, an article is likely to be deleted. Hope this helps you some. Happy editing! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

donation request

How to send a donation request to Mrs. Clinton. very urgent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 00:45, 24 July 2007

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with editing the article 'Light Children' and making it Wiki compliant

There have been several articles written about the 'Light Children' graphic novel project in internationally published magazines. The facts presented in its Wiki entry are clear, unbiased, and brief. However, because I am the artist hired to produce the art in the book, I believe that the entry is being flagged as self promotional. Since the information presented is non-biased and does not use any promotional language, I am concerned that this flagging is unfair. I have repeatedly edited the entry to try and make it 100% neutral in content and I have cited the references necessary to validate the information presented. Please help me to understand how to correct this problem.

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Kyletw 14:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

So you don't think that linking to your own website is in any way promotional and COI-driven? You should avoid external links in body text anyway, for style reasons, but linking to your own website and that of the articles' subject is pretty blatant. Normally, I point out that any editor can remove standard maintenance tags provided they assess the situation neutrally and agree that the problem either does not exist or has been satisfactorily remedied. In this case, the problem had not been remedied. Adrian M. H. 18:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I did not realize that was considered self promotional, as there are many pages with links to outside sites, etc. If I remove the link, will the problem be considered resolved? Also, please know that we (the writer and I) are very serious about keeping the information surrounding our book neutral and keeping our interaction with Wikipedia entirely professional. It is natural for us to use promotional language, as a result of what we do for a living, and we are in need of feedback and editing to make sure we do not offend with our content. We are not trying to take advantage of the system! I do not think the sarcasm in your reply was necessary. Thank you, in advance, for any further help you can provide.
Kyletw 23:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
That is not sarcasm; that is disbelief that you cannot see how the addition of a link to your own website looks to everyone else. As I wrote above, external links do not belong in body text even without the COI involved here. Promotional language does not belong either, so if that is what comes naturally to you, it might be better if you step back and let the natural process develop the article as appropriate. If the subject is notable and suitably linked and categorised, other editors will work on over time. I already dealt with link, so there is nothing for you to remove. Adrian M. H. 16:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
In this diff you claim (in the summary) to have removed external links, when in fact you added one that I had previously removed. Adrian M. H. 17:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I see. Well, if anybody else would like to edit the page and make it compliant, we would appreciate it. As I said, we only wish for it to be correctly written - it seems our efforts to do this ourselves probably are not working. If you feel the best thing to do would be to remove the article altogether, let me know. Would it be better to quote directly from the articles that are cited? The external link to Heroes Con was something we added because we believed that it was a noteworthy convention - we have no personal affiliation with the organizers, etc. Kyletw 00:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

can i place ads

can i place ads on wikipedia like google adsence

You can't put ads on Wikipedia itself but what you can do is make a mirror of Wikipedia on your own site and put adverts there. Tra (Talk) 18:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Natalie d'Arbeloff

Someone recently created a Wikipage about me. A lot of information was missing so I started to add it. There is quite a long list of References and I thought I entered the new information correctly. However, there is now a note saying that the whole thing needs cleaning up and Wikifying. I'm afraid I don't know how to do this or what needs needs cleaning up. Can someone please help? Thanks. ~ ~ ~ ~

You can find information here. Do note WP:COI before editing.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 21:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

pls help me..

what controls the brain?..—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 12:30, 25 July 2007

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.—Elipongo (Talk contribs) 14:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

how do i add an article

Hi, I am interested in adding an article. I dont want to upload any images. Just a one paragragh content in wikipedia. How can I go about doing that. It is my own work and there is nothing on wikipedia about it.

Please see Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Creating a new page, also, do make sure the your article meets our notability guideline before submitting the page. Peacent 16:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

waxing and waning

waxing and waning - not in wiki (~500k goggle hits some in wiki, ~260k with quotes on pharse) gerenal phrase in speach, lunar refences (even in wiki though not as a phrase) but others too, tai chi ( above references a definition and refers other uses...

thesaurus refences to: ebb and flow , rise and fall (which only refers to some dance thing now)

geneal phrases in speach with plarals, verb, adv, and such would apply to all...

think would be good entries but have never done this thing b4 and not sure how to start, could use guidence or better yet a boost without a bunch of research on HOW TO.... thx dave — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:51, 26 July 2007

  • Well, they're just verbs. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary -- Wikitionary is a dictionary. I don't really know what more could be said about them. --Haemo 22:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Yet Ebb and Flow is already in the Wikipedia, and it(waxing and waning) isn't in Wiktionary either! If it requires quotations like refered in Edd and Flow I'm sure there are MANY out there, it is common, esp with lunar references. each word alone has their more obscure references, with no redirect even for the phrase. but what ever. I won't make a carrer out of this, or deal with attitude, just thought that was what this thing was all about was being COMPLETE! Oh, yeah did you even have a quick look at the refernce lin I provided about it being an element of Tai Chi? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Well, The Ebb and Flow are a band, so that's why there's in here, and ebb redirects to tide - so I'm a little bit confused. --Haemo 22:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Not only is WP not a dictionary, but it does not strive to be complete. If "waxing and

waning" is not present at Wiktionary, get involved by creating an article at Wiktionary. Adrian M. H. 22:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

what about the link and the Tai Chi reference, though it does technically refer to the waxing and waning cycle? (should maybe be an entry for that and redirects, or references, or an entry) showing the link to the others.

and there isn't even any redirects for the phrase, basically nothing!... just there should have been SOMETHING, of course it should be the right thing(s)... and the reson I posted here was because I have not made myself familiar with how this resource is managed, and didn't want to make a career out this as... so much for that... and so much for a warm welcome for someone willing to take a few minutes to make an effort, the things I have heard seem true about the eletism running around here... far from the origional spirt this whole thing started as.. sheesh so much for collaberation, when was the last time you all read the ABOUT page? of course it can NEVER be actually COMPLETE by it's never nature, not to mention human's! maybe it is time for a little grounding around here! think about it! Oh, thanks for the warm welcome, not just from one but from back up on top of it...

Why do my pictures not always appear when I create a link?

I was attempting to create a link to an image I uploaded (see superb starling) but when I create the link, no picture appears on the page (or sometimes it only appears a day later). Why is this and is there something I can do to improve the link.

Profberger 07:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

After a bit of digging, I found Baboon, which shows the problem. The cause, however, is not clear, so I will look into it and let you know. You have the correct file name and the correct wiki-syntax as far as I can see. Adrian M. H. 09:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - about half of the pictures I put in are doing this -
Profberger 09:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
It's fine now. The only possible explanation that comes to mind is a delay in a database somewhere. By the way, if you are able to upload this image to Wikimedia Commons instead, I would recommend that. It allows editors of all language versions to use that image (your chosen license supports this) and the syntax in the article does not need to be altered. I think you just nominate the local copy for deletion afterwards, noting that it has been copied to Commons. If you want to do that, ask at somewhere like VPA rather than taking my guesstimate on its own, since I don't do much image work. Adrian M. H. 17:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to get an article in Wikipedia

I am a great fan of Wikipedia and after publishing my article on "Human Computer Human Interactions" in the ACM <interactions> magazine was trying to get some of the concept that were presented in the article on Wikipedia. I find the present content very useful but find your method of adding new content in Wikipedia very user unfriendly. I am on anual leave and will again look at your site when the next academic year starts in Sept. dcclubb - Dr. Orville Leverne Clubb Dcclubb 08:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

It is quite straightforward, but if it was any easier, the quantity of unsuitable new articles (to put it mildly) would go from quite a lot per day to an unmanageable amount. SD is often backlogged as it is. Think of it as part of the Turing test that comes with the first few steps through which a new editor must go. Adrian M. H. 09:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Have created a page but when I then search for it Wikipedia doesn't retrieve it

I have just joined Wikipedia (although I have of course been using it for ages) and created my first page on the apex, a diacritic used by the Romans when writing Latin. The page is

(I guess the % 28 and % 29 correspond to the brackets).

I have saved the page and can see it on my screen right now. Yet, when I search using the left-hand column facility (Apex Latin spelling > Go), I get a message that the page doesn't exist, do I want to create it.

When I just type "Apex", I get a disambiguation page, but my "Apex (Latin spelling)" doesn't apear there.

Can you help? I'd like my page to be traceable, of course. ;-)

Aggfvavitus 14:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Remember that you can use wikilinks rather than URLs when possible – Apex (Latin spelling). By the way, well done for staying within NC; it obviously helps that you have used WP for some time before contributing to it, because some of the conventions have already rubbed off. The article will appear in the search database in a day, a week, or when it feels like it! It will happen eventually, but it has to wait for the next update. Adrian M. H. 15:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you ever so much for your answer, and looking forward to that next update. ;-) Aggfvavitus 15:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Changing images

Hi, How do you delete an image posted on a page by another user? Someone posted a picture on the Wikipedia of South Korean singer Brian G. Joo stating that the picture is him but the person in the picture is not Brian G. Joo at all. I want to delete that image and upload a correct photo of Brian G. Joo. How do I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taejung (talkcontribs) 16:07, 27 July 2007

Two questions there really; removing it from the article and removing the image itself. One is easy; just delete the relevant bit of image syntax from the article. The other requires that you nominate it for deletion. Depending on the reasons, that usually requires SD or IFD. See Deletion Policy for info or contact a helpful admin. Adrian M. H. 15:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


I have a problem with Categories namely how to add a page to an existing category so that it is in the right place. An example of what I mean is following - I wish to place a page on Blank Verse in Literature. I wish blank verse to show up under "pages in the category" on the correct alphbetical spot i.e. under B or V either is OK. I have no problem simply adding a page to Literature but cannot get it in the right place. If I edit Category Literature by clicking edit this page that doesn't help me. Same applies where there are names of people alphabetically sorted. Again, editing Literature is only example and I don't want to do that it reality, just want to know the process. Can anyone point me to exact directions how to do this.


Michkr1 15:18, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You cannot edit categories like that; you add the entry to relevant articles. Help:Categories. Adrian M. H. 15:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Title Edit

My contributed article is saddled with an unsearchable title. It contains the prefix 'User:' that must be entered with the title in order to access the article. Love to know how to fix this. Tim —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Bridgewater Bulletin (talkcontribs) 17:09, 27 July 2007

That is because you have placed inappropriate content on your user page, which is a very long way from what the user space is actually for. Please read the relevant links on your talk page for more info on this particular policy. I will not do anything about it yet, but you would normally expect it to be questioned, or sometimes Prodded or blanked, particularly given that your user name indicates COI, which will lead editors to suspect a promotional intent. This is the most common reason for this use of user space, so don't be offended if anyone raises it with you. Adrian M. H. 17:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

how to delete a new article

Once I creat, submit an article, If i decide to delete it immediately or within a day or two, how do I delete?

Iupuicees 18:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

You may request that such an article be deleted by placing the following text at the top of the page: "{{db-author}}". This applies to new articles where the creator is the only primary editor (in other words, someone can't make an edit to an article and then request that the entire article be deleted). Placing this template at the top of the page and then saving the page marks the article for speedy deletion; it notifies administrators, who have the ability to delete pages, of the deletion request.
If you wish to experiment with editing Wikipedia, or to develop an article gradually, you may wish to use a private sandbox to do so. A private sandbox is a subpage of one's user page in which one may work on content relevant to the project. Such a page looks like this example: User:Iupuicees/Sandbox. If you click on the preceding link, it will allow you to create a new subpage of your user page. Also, remember that Wikipedia is a wiki. Any content that improves the project is welcome; if you're worried that you can't write an in-depth, comprehensive article right away, don't be, as anyone can modify and improve upon your contributions.
I hope this answers your question. If you need further clarification, or have any other questions, please feel welcome to leave a message on my talk page. --Slowking Man 18:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I Review?

I created an article but I want to make sure I have followed the citations properly and did not break any copyrite laws. How do I submit for review before actually posting my page on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iupuicees (talkcontribs) 20:00, 27 July 2007

How about creating and using a user-space sub-page? Such as User:Iupuicees/Drafts. Adrian M. H. 19:04, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

All pages needing cleanup

First of all, I just want you to know that I really love this place! It offers a productive, constructive release for all of my editing frustrations with the world in which we live; a world that seems to have fallen out of love with the art of language. Also, its infrastructure and guidelines provide an excellent forum to learn about technical "stuff" and problem solving therein, writing standards, copyright compliance, playing/working well with others, and a great deal more. Finally, it is potentially the greatest, most accessible source (at least for those with access to the internet) of information on the planet. Therefore, anytime that I'm not too busy with work or life (and sometimes even when I am), I come to Wikipedia to edit, learn and relax.

Initially, I only used Wikipedia to "get my edit on" when I would log on specifically to learn about something. That is, if I used the encyclopedia, I improved the encyclopedia (well, I hope so, anyway). After all, there are edits waiting for us all on nearly every page. The more cathartic I found these sessions to be, the more I started trying to think of things that I wanted to learn more about, just so that I could edit that topic's article. Later, I noticed the link for Random Articles (by the way, how can I turn the two preceding words into a link?), and began using that to expand my horizons of knowledge, AND to "get my edit on."

Just today while reading an article, I found the link to Category:All pages needing cleanup and I've decided that tackling this list would probably be the most constructive use of my time (and I'll still learn all kinds of things). My question is, if I clean up an article in the list (all of which will have some sort of "needs cleanup" tag), to the degree that I believe its tag is no longer applicable, or if I see one that seems to be fine as it is, is it my responsibility to alert someone that the tag may no longer apply (and if so, how do I do that?), or are all articles in this list routinely checked by the powers that be? OR, as seemed to me to be stated in an earlier post on this page, is it within each contributor's authority, and subsequently their responsibility, to actually remove or change the articles' tags when appropriate? If so, is there an alternative course of action if I do not feel comfortable doing so, or some way that I can ask for a more experienced person's opinion?

Thank you very much. WeaselADAPT 23:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, I have to say how refreshing it is to read a post like that. You obviously have an altruistic love of contributing, which is what keeps the good Wikipedians around for the long term. It gets you through the frustrating bits, like vandals and other obstructive types! To answer your multi-part question: No, you don't need to tell anyone or make a request for a tag's removal; yes, the onus is on you to remove the tag when, in your best judgment, the issue is resolved (or did not apply in the first place); and yes, any time you have a doubt in your mind, there is no harm in asking someone or posting on a help page. Welcome! Adrian M. H. 09:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, thank you! I have also sensed at times that some administrators have become jaded and tired of answering the oft-repeated questions of the newbies. I would encourage everyone in this category to remember that we were all new and dumb at some point in our past, and that the phrase, "no question is a stupid question except the one not asked" took hold for a reason. I'm happy to have renewed your spirit, brightened your day, whatever phrase might apply, if any. Really!
Anyway, is there any particular help page that would be more appropriate than others for expressing my doubt or requesting the counsel that I might feel I require for removing a "needs cleanup" tag? Also, if I ask a question in an article's talk page, is there a phrase that I can put there that will bring it to someone's attention? If so, I suppose that would be one way to get the help I need...
Thanks again. WeaselADAPT 00:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
EA/R is a good place to go for advice; it is biased towards assistance rather than just questions and answers. VPA is similar. The HD, on the other hand, is a lot busier and a stock reply along the lines of being bold is more likely (though that is not a criticism of those who monitor that page). Article discussion pages are a different matter, because the kind of page that requires a cleanup is more likely (broadly speaking) to be the kind of page that is not widely watched, if indeed it is watched at all. There is no particular phrase that would draw the desired attention. Questions of this nature are often better placed on project pages (such as this) anyway. Sometimes, questions appear on talk pages in project space (WT:V, for example) or in template space, but as with article space discussion, it is really supposed to be about discussing how to improve the associated page/article/template rather than asking questions. Adrian M. H. 00:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Christopher Columbus Sesquicentennial Archive

The Christopher Columbus Sesquicentennial Celebration in 1992 resulted in hundreds of articles written in publications around the world. An archive of these articles -- PLUS full-text downloadable info of these and hundreds of basic sources about Columbus's life and voyages in both English and Spanish is available at

I found this goldmine of information while researching a paper fo a course at Nassau Community College (Garden City, NY [Nassau County]).

There appears to be no mention in Wikipedia for this wonderful source of both Original (first level) and Commentary and Scholarly Analysis (second level) information.

SO . . . can you assign someone to look into this or, if my assessment of this treasure that Wikipedia has missed is correct -- tell me how to (or to whom to) forward this information?

I've gone through the Editing Tutorial and other pages on your website, but I simply can't devotge so much time to submitting this rather simple piece of information in the form you request.

-- Jules Shapiro

Jjjshap 15:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Although the page is usually used by unregistered contributors who cannot create articles, you may be able to get someone to help out at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. --NickContact/Contribs 16:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

What have I done? Ohh, what have I DONE?!?! ;-)

Someone told me awhile back that there was an editor or two who could tally up all the pages created by a given user via applets (or something), to create lists and what not. I cannot remember their names, or even the name of the editor who told me about it. (I can remember less about the total number of pages I've started or been in on majorly.) Could someone fill me in fresh, please? Zephyrad 18:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

How about an edit count? By the way, I though you had done something horrendously damaging when I read that title! Relieved to see that this is not the case. Adrian M. H. 18:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
If you want statistics about individual pages you've edited, there's this as well. Tra (Talk) 18:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I figured that header wouldn't get lost in the shuffle... ;-) I'm not looking for stats on the pages I've done so much as a simple list of which new pages sprung from my, uh, keyboard. I've seen such lists (or selected ones anyway) on some user pages. Can't remember whose though; that's the thing. Zephyrad 20:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
By looking at a contributions page, it's not possible to tell (without checking each edit individually) whether a particular edit started a new page or not. Consequently, that's why automated tools can't give you a list of pages you have created. The lists you are thinking of on user pages were probably compiled manually from memory. Tra (Talk) 20:51, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
That's right; mine was compiled around the time of each contribution, otherwise most of the "selected contributions" would have been forgotten. I often forget to add notable edits even now. Adrian M. H. 21:05, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
I respectfully refuse to accept that answer. Zephyrad 22:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
To start you off, I've looked through your contributions and I can see that you have created the pages Johnny Hutchinson, Eldon Quick, Star Collector, Hamilton Stands, Eddie Mottau, Four Winds Press and Missing Links. You'll have to find other pages that you created manually. Tra (Talk) 22:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Saying "I respectfully refuse to accept that answer" does not actually come across as respectful. Can I ask what you meant by that? Adrian M. H. 22:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Do you accept this answer?. PrimeHunter 22:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Cross reference /footnote?

This week on BBC 7 audio: Brief history of Ireland. a brief mention was made that at the end of the US civil war the soldiers of Irish nationality , unable to return to Ireland to fight for Independence from England in 1860's. not being able to find passage with armaments , there was a lashing out at the closest Crown property to them , Canada . one fort was seized , but having no supply line, that effort was caused to be abandoned.

This is first hearing of this fact, and I, not having access to other history archives wish to present this to the Wiki Community for further clarification and discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:08, 29 July 2007

I'm not sure what your question actually is.... Adrian M. H. 20:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's "I heard this cool fact on the radio the other day, how do I reference this in Wikipedia, please?" -Malkinann 21:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)