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The Right Stuff: September 2011[edit]

The Right Stuff
September 2011
FROM THE EDITOR
An Historic Milestone

By Lionelt

Welcome to the inaugural issue of The Right Stuff, the newsletter of WikiProject Conservatism. The Project has developed at a breakneck speed since it was created on February 12, 2011 with the edit summary, "Let's roll!" With over 50 members the need for a project newsletter is enormous. With over 3000 articles to watch, an active talk page and numerous critical discussions spread over various noticeboards, it has become increasingly difficult to manage the information overload. The goal of The Right Stuff is to help you keep up with the changing landscape.

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WikiProject Conservatism has a bright future ahead: this newsletter will allow us tell the story. All that's left to say is: "Let's roll!"

PROJECT NEWS
New Style Guide Unveiled

By Lionelt

A new style guide to help standardize editing was rolled out. It focuses on concepts, people and organizations from a conservatism perspective. The guide features detailed article layouts for several types of articles. You can help improve it here. The Project's Article Collaboration currently has two nominations, but they don't appear to be generating much interest. You can get involved with the Collaboration here.

I am pleased to report that we have two new members: Rjensen and Soonersfan168. Rjensen is a professional historian and has access to JSTOR. Soonersfan168 says he is a "young conservative who desires to improve Wikipedia!" Unfortunately we will be seeing less of Geofferybard, as he has announced his semi-retirement. We wish him well. Be sure to stop by their talk pages and drop off some Wikilove.


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ARTICLE REPORT
3,000th Article Tagged

By Lionelt

On August 3rd Peter Oborne, a British journalist, became the Project's 3,000th tagged article. It is a tribute to the membership that we have come this far this quickly. The latest Featured Article is Richard Nixon. Our congratulations to Wehwalt for a job well done. The article with the most page views was Rick Perry with 887,389 views, not surprising considering he announced he was running for president on August 11th. Follwing Perry were Michele Bachmann and Tea Party movement. The Project was ranked 75th based on total edits, which is up from 105th in July. The article with the most edits was Republican Party (United States) presidential primaries, 2012 with 374 edits. An RFC regarding candidate inclusion criteria generated much interest on the talk page.

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The Right Stuff: October 2011[edit]

The Right Stuff
October 2011
INTERVIEW
An Interview with Dank

By Lionelt

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The Right Stuff caught up with Dank, the recently elected Lead Coordinator of WikiProject Military History. MILHIST is considered by many to be one of the most successful projects in the English Wikipedia.

Q: Tell us a little about yourself.
A: I'm Dan, a Wikipedian since 2007, from North Carolina. I started out with an interest in history, robotics, style guidelines, and copyediting. These days, I'm the lead coordinator for the Military History Project and a reviewer of Featured Article Candidates. I've been an administrator and maintained WP:Update, a summary of policy changes, since 2008.

Q: What is your experience with WikiProjects?
A: I guess I'm most familiar with WP:MILHIST and WP:SHIPS, and I'm trying to get up to speed at WP:AVIATION. I've probably talked with members of most of the wikiprojects at one time or another.

Q: What makes a WikiProject successful?
A: A lot of occasional contributors who think of the project as fun rather than work, a fair number of people willing to write or review articles, a small core of like-minded people who are dedicated to building and maintaining the project, and access to at least a few people who are familiar with reviewing standards and with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

Q: Do you have any tips for increasing membership?
A: Aim for a consistent, helpful and professional image. Let people know what the project is doing and what they could be doing, but don't push.





If you've got a core group interested in building a wikiproject, it helps if they do more listening than talking at first ... find out what people are trying to do, and offer them help with whatever it is. Some wikiprojects build membership by helping people get articles through the review processes.


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DISCUSSION REPORT
Abortion Case Plods Along

By Lionelt

The arbitration request submitted by Steven Zhang moved into its second month. The case, which evaluates user conduct, arose from contentious discussions regarding the naming of the Pro-life and Pro-choice articles, and a related issue pertaining to the inclusion of "death" in the lede of Abortion. A number of members are involved. On the Evidence page ArtifexMahem posted a table indicating that DMSBel made the most edits to the Abortion article. DMSBel has announced their semi-retirement. Fact finding regarding individual editor behavior has begun in earnest on theWorkshop page.

Last month it was decided that due to the success of the new Dispute Resolution Noticeboard the Content Noticeboard would be shut down. Wikiquette Assistance will remain active. The DRN is primarily intended to resolve content disputes.


PROJECT NEWS
Article Incubator Launched

By Lionelt

Was your article deleted in spite of your best efforts to save it? You should consider having a copy restored to the Incubator where project members can help improve it. Upon meeting content criteria, articles are graduated to mainspace. The Incubator is also ideal for collaborating on new article drafts. Star Parker is the first addition to the incubator. The article was deleted per WP:POLITICIAN.

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WikiProject Conservatism is expanding. We now have a satellite on Commons. Any help in categorizing images or in getting the fledgling project off the ground is appreciated.

We have a few new members who joined the project in September. Please give a hearty welcome to Conservative Philosopher, Screwball23 and Regushee by showing them some Wikilove. Screwball23 has been on WikiPedia for five years and has made major improvements to Linda McMahon. Regushee is not one for idle chit chat: an amazing 93% of their edits are in article space.

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The Right Stuff: November 2011[edit]

The Right Stuff
February 2012
PROJECT NEWS
WikiProject Conservatism faces the ultimate test

By Lionelt

On October 7, WikiProject Conservatism was nominated for deletion by member Binksternet. He based his rationale on what he described as an undefinable scope, stating that the project is "at its root undesirable". Of the 40 participants in the discussion, some agreed that the scope was problematic; however, they felt it did not justify deletion of the project. A number of participants suggested moving the project to "WikiProject American conservatism". The overwhelming sentiment was expressed by Guerillero who wrote: "A project is a group of people. This particular group does great work in their topic area[,] why prevent them from doing this[?]" In the end there was negligible opposition to the project and the result of the discussion was "Keep". The proceedings of the deletion discussion were picked up by The Signpost, calling the unfolding drama "the first MfD of its kind". The Signpost observed that attempting to delete an active project was unprecedented. The story itself became a source of controversy which played out at the Discuss This Story section, and also at the author's talk page.

Two days after the project was nominated, the Conservatism Portal was also nominated for deletion as "too US-biased". There was no support for deletion amongst the 10 participants, with one suggestion to rename the portal.

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In other news, a new portal focusing on conservatism has been created at WikiSource. Wikisource is an online library of free content publications with 254,051 accessible texts. One highlight of the portal's content is Reflections on the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke.

October saw a 6.4% increase in new members, bringing the total membership to 58. Seven of the eight new members joined after October 12; the deletion discussions may have played a role in the membership spike. Mwhite148 is a member of the UK Conservative Party. Stating that he is not a conservative, Kleinzach noted his "lifetime interest in British, European and international politics." Let's all make an effort to welcome the new members with an outpouring of Wikilove.


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DISCUSSION REPORT
Timeline of conservatism is moved

By Lionelt

Timeline of conservatism, a Top-importance list, was nominated for deletion on October 3. The nominator stated that since conservatism in an "ambiguous concept", the timeline suffers from original research. There were a number of "Delete", as well as "Keep" votes. The closing administrator reasoned that consensus dictated that the list be renamed. The current title is Timeline of modern American conservatism.

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The Right Stuff: January 2012[edit]

The Right Stuff
January 2012
ARTICLE REPORT
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Wikipedia's Newest Featured Portal: Conservatism

By Lionelt

On January 21, The Conservatism Portal was promoted to Featured Portal (FP) due largely to the contributions of Lionelt. This is the first Featured content produced by WikiProject Conservatism. The road to Featured class was rocky. An earlier nomination for FP failed, and in October the portal was "Kept" after being nominated for deletion.

Member Eisfbnore significantly contributed to the successful Good Article nomination of Norwegian journalist and newspaper editor Nils Vogt in December. Eisfbnore also created the article. In January another Project article was promoted to Featured Article. Luís Alves de Lima e Silva, Duke of Caxias, a president of Brazil, attained Featured class with significant effort by Lecen. The Article Incubator saw its first graduation in November. A collaboration spearheaded by Mzk1 and Trackerseal successfully developed Star Parker to pass the notability guideline.


PROJECT NEWS
Project Scope Debated

By Lionelt

Another discussion addressing the project scope began in December. Nine alternatives were presented in the contentious, sometimes heated discussion. Support was divided between keeping the exitsing scope, or adopting a scope with more specificity. Some opponents of the specific scope were concerned that it was too limiting and would adversely affect project size. About twenty editors participated in the discussion.

Inclusion of the article Ku Klux Klan (KKK) was debated. Supporters for inclusion cited sources describing the KKK as "conservative." The article was excluded with more than 10 editors participating.

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Project membership continues to grow. There are currently 73 members. Member Goldblooded (pictured) volunteers for the UK Conservative Party and JohnChrysostom is a Christian Democrat. North8000 is interested in libertarianism. We won't tell WikiProject Libertarianism he's slumming. Let's stop by their talkpages and share some Wikilove.

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Why is Everyone Talking About Rick Santorum?

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Articles about the GOP presidential candidate and staunch traditional marriage supporter have seen an explosion of discussion. On January 8 an RFC was opened (here) to determine if Dan Savage's website link should be included in Campaign for "santorum" neologism. The next day the Rick Santorum article itself was the subject of an RFC (here) to determine if including the Savage neologism was a violation of the BLP policy. Soon after a third was opened (here) at Santorum controversy regarding homosexuality. This RFC proposes merging the neologism article into the controversy article.

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Amusing indeed[edit]

yall come back now :) Darkstar1st (talk) 17:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

  • What we caught, we threw away; what we didn’t catch, we kept. What did we keep? Darkstar1st (talk) 22:07, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
  • perhaps you are not as educated as you thought. the riddle was ask of Homer. Darkstar1st (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: User:Darkstar1st/VA hospital scandal (May 21)[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: VA hospital scandal (May 21)[edit]

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Hello! Darkstar1st, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering or curious about why your article submission was declined please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! JustBerry (talk) 21:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

thanks JustBerry! i appreciate your time and hope the scandal will soon have an article as it grows from the "single event" of the 40 deaths in phoenix to the separate event in gainesville with the 3 supervisors placed on leave to the 24 other veterans hospitals currently being investigated as a result of this scandal. perhaps this is a single event being repeated in different locations, if so, maybe it could be seen as several events with similar circumstances, specifically the manipulation of patient appointment wait times. Darkstar1st (talk) 22:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Veterans Affairs hospital scandal (June 6)[edit]

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the VA Scandal is now an article. plz review the articles for creation criteria and or join the debate on that talk page. Darkstar1st (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, from what I can find in the archives, and I don't remember particular drafts, I've looked at thousands, ... anyway, Zach was involved there, and I wasn't. Zach's point was correct, however, AfC is a safe place for contributors who want to develop there, but we have no community authority to prevent people from creating articles. I will take a look at the the new article, but you might also wish to consider deletion processes and/or noticeboards (the latter for copyright, NPOV, or BLP issues) if you believe they are appropriate. --j⚛e deckertalk 23:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Actually you were j⚛e decker, [1]. why do you think i would pursue deletion for an article i created? did you read the above? Darkstar1st (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, I had looked, only found Draft:Veterans Affairs hospital scandal, which I hadn't been involved in, tried various permutations of the the title with the Draft prefix, found nothing else, and made the wrong assumption. I totally should have looked up a few page inches on your talk page.
Lacking any context, I didn't know why you had pinged me with respect to the article, assumed you were trying to point me at some problem with it (but I didn't know what problem), and wanted to suggest some general ways of addressing it.
Anyway, I'm glad someone has an article going on on the subject, I think it's notable, and horrible, although I think it's going to be a helluva thing to write well and neutrally. Thanks for the ping! --j⚛e deckertalk 23:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
i pinged you because you rejected the article originally and i am unable to locate your reason why you did, and with the hope you will be able to use this example in your future assessments. apologies for the confusion, User:MatthewVanitas moved/changed the draft name. Darkstar1st (talk) 23:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

we got off to a bad start[edit]

dear Iryna Harpy, i actually live in Hungary (see my picture) and know a little about the countries bordering here. indeed i do research before i edit, as well as before i create an article, which i have several times, some even have quite a bit of traffic. i have been in wikipedia for about as long as anyone you will meet here and am not offended by your observations of me. i hope you will take my future contributions in the good faith they are meant. Darkstar1st (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

That's fine, Darkstar1. It does not, however, explain why you keep posting your observations as questions. If you have objections to aspects of the article on Ukraine, post them as comments stating what your objections are and why you object (preferably using sources). You are making a point, so don't try to obfuscate it using ingenuous language. You're not "confused": you have an opinion. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:43, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
what point am i making Iryna Harpy? Darkstar1st (talk) 23:47, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
No baiting, thank you. If you know about the history of Ukraine, as you claim, you wouldn't be asking what Kievan Rus' has to do with Ukrainian history. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:51, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
i actually ask if they were the same country, and if so, if the country went by two or more different names, which you Iryna Harpy have yet to clarify. Darkstar1st (talk) 23:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
All you need to do is read the lead for Kievan Rus' and your question will be answered. Please do not treat me as if I were a tutoring service and, somehow, am doing you a disservice by not responding to queries you should be able to answer with ease on your own. So far as I can see, I was the only person to respond to your queries and make adjustments to the content where it was useful. Beyond that, picking on me personally as being accountable to you is outside of the bounds of standard Wikipedian practice. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
wow that sure was a different vibe then i meant to put out, accountable, tutoring, picking on you Iryna Harpy? to me it appears to be a simple as finding a source supporting the info box, or changing the box, or the name of the article. Darkstar1st (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Changing the name of the article? A source supporting the use for Kievan Rus' in the infobox when the child article is littered with a plethora of sources? I've never encountered such demands for an article about a country! Seriously, I'm not engaging in any more banter on your talk page. If these are the issues you've been gunning for, you'd better bring them to the article talk page. It's fairly obvious as to how "we got off to a bad start". Suggestion: make the same observation for the Russia article on that talk page. Can't see any sources for Kievan Rus' there. Should we ask that the editors there change the name of the article? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
a wise suggestion indeed, i will do just that Iryna Harpy. the child article does not claim Ukraine was formed in 882 and there is no source making the claims made in the infobox. you have actually helped with your banter already, the Russia article has the date 20 years earlier at 862, instead of 882. Darkstar1st (talk) 06:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
LOL! You're possibly a greater masochist than I am. Good luck with that! (Assuming that anyone will respond to you there.) --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
actually they have already resulting in a major change. thx Iryna Harpy for bringing it to my attention! Darkstar1st (talk) 10:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
the Arrival of Rurik is now in that infobox which makes Russia 20 years older than Ukraine. Darkstar1st (talk) 10:23, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
No, m'dear, you're confusing Rus' with Rossiya. "Arrival of Rurik, considered as a foundation event by the Russian authorities" is some form of victory to your mind? If you have no concept of etymology and nomenclature, that's your problem. Believing what you want to believe doesn't make it true. Take care not to let the door collect you in the arse on your way out. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
no, i did not make the edit to the Russia infobox and it was you who suggested i take a look a Russia, so actually if anyone "won" it was you. Etymplogy is fascinating, but not my objective, rather i seek clarity in the years russia and ukraine became countries. Truth is elusive in Wikipedia, instead we settle for RS. perhaps you could present a source russia was not a country in 862, or even challenge the edit as OR? Darkstar1st (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
and as you can see from the years i have been in wp that i have no plans of leaving and have my foot in the door of these articles, not my arse ,Iryna Harpy the Anorak (slang). Darkstar1st (talk) 07:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Why obsess about nation-states? Do you think every 'country' has an absolute linear history as if they were homogeneous absolutes? You're Hungarian? Then you must know the absolute linear narrative of the evolution of Hungary. Do you seriously think that, if you travelled back 200-300 years in time your predecessors would recognise you as being a part of their cultural identity, or would be able to conceive of what your idea of a 'country' or self-identification is? You're never going to find a satisfactory answer to what you're looking for. As for my challenging any interest groups holding holding onto this drab veil of 'facts' handed down by the hand that signs the paper as if their own ontology depended on it... let them. DNA tells one story: human history can't be analysed that easily. Rus' was Rus'. It was destroyed by the Mongolian invasions. What evolved from there is story lines seeking to connect the old remnants with one princedom. There were no successor states, just states that succeeded in opportunistic land and power grabs. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Obsess is what i do best, nation-states interest me little, i prefer countries. "an area of land that is controlled by its own government".
  • Yes, although i doubt anyone knows the true linear history of every country as true history is often obscured by the record.
  • No, they would think i was a savage most likey and they would have no idea where Hungary is. i was born in Kentucky just like they were.
  • My idea of a country is congruent with the definition in most dictionaries. I already know the answer and am trying to help you find it as well by examining the existing sources/definitions.
  • I didnt suggest you do all that, simply ask for a source claiming russia was founded in 862 if you have a problem with it, not my edit, not my problem.
  • Human history is not easy, although it is possible to compile sources, which might be the best way forward for you, should you continue here.
  • i agree with you there Iryna Harpy and suggest you should change the founding date in the ukraine and russia info boxes to reflect such. Darkstar1st (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)