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Armed students of "İmroz Öğretmen Okulu/Imbros Education High School" against to a possible attack of Greece to the island,03.12.1967
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Kurdistan/Participants[edit]

Hello in the future please do not illustrate a point by rearranging the coordinators it causes disruption, see WP:POINT just a note. Lakers 01:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Well [1] I was talking about that because you can be blocked for disruption just a friendly warning because it does happen often so I wouldn't want you blocked. Lakers 18:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Moving Denial of the Armenian Genocide[edit]

I have suggested that Denial of the Armenian Genocide should be moved to Denial of the Armenian Genocide allegations. I assume that you would be interested in the debate and would like to submit your opinion on the proposal. See: Denial of the Armenian Genocide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)--Scientia Potentia 16:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


You removed from the Battle of Otranto page the line: "The garrison was killed." for it begin unsourced. My source, which is linked from the page, is here: —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fvdham (talkcontribs) 21:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC).


I don't think it is a good idea to mess with the tag.--Doktor Gonzo 15:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The Shabin-Karahisar Resistance => True Help me. I don't speak English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


Must: if you want to eliminate Kurdish-related categories, you'll have to go about it the proper way (id est not blanking). Also, please avoid misleading edit summaries.--Domitius 15:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi nevermind that, I was going to remove it but others had commented sorry. Lakers 18:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I wouldn't say it matters, Tahn is very popular amongst Armenians also, not just Turks. If you can cite reliable sources claiming this since Tahn is considered a daily drink among Armenians so it has a connection. If you cannot than you should add back Syria and Armenia since that is not fair. Many articles have numerous Templates in accordance to the origins, popularity etc. My research has only shown ancient inhabitance of Turkey drinking this which may include Armenians, Greeks, Romans and many other civilizations that have existed in Anatolia no mention of Turkey. I will contact you further if I have any problems with edits in certain articles that I have seen, as for the comments on the coordinator we should make a vote for the lead coordinator, since you can be blocked for gaming just a tip admins wont hesitate to take action, cheers. Lakers 19:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof![edit]

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Makalp! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Betacommand (talkcontribsBot) 17:52, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


please follow this link.Regards.Must.T C 15:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your valiance, I wasn't particularly bugged by his comments though. He seems to be very upset due to his block. -- Cat chi? 20:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
  • To your fellow admin Cool Cat and for your information only:
You are right: I seem to be very upset. Anyway, you are wrong thinking this feeling is the result of the block. It is a pity I was forced to place this answer at this place because I thought we had said everything to each other both here and at the Commons. Bye! --Riva72 19:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


Saolun. Bu işe çok tesadüfen bulaştım. Elimden geldiğince aklıma gelenleri eklemeye çalışıyorum. Ara ara göz atarak ve bazı malum kişilerce yapılan abuk sabuk edit'lerle resmen "mücadele" ederek bir şeyler yaptım-yapıyoruz bakalım. --Z y 12:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher Application[edit]

Dear Makalp,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 18:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Your edits made on April 9, 2007 (UTC) to Category:Organizations based in Turkey[edit]


Welcome, and thank you for experimenting with the page Category:Organizations based in Turkey on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Resurgent insurgent 10:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Please make sure you select the correct page in your program before clicking the "nominate for deletion" button. Thank you. Resurgent insurgent 10:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi Makalp, Merhaba and welcome to our ranks! I'd like to keep the template in my user page as it is to be used in our small WikiProject and not really worth moving to the template space. But, if you insist, I will move it myself after some other additions and modifications. As for the districts-related and the like templates, it is quite early for our WikiProject. This is because many major cities have no articles yet and most have no maps, etc. Thanks for your offer to help man, I will get back to you when the time is right. —Anas talk? 12:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Makalp, please stop reverting the establishment information on the Nakhichevan infobox. The reason why I removed certain pieces of information from the infobox is because it really only states the times when foreign powers dominated the area. Eventually, we would have to bring in a note about the region's Armenian history and that would only lead to an Armenian-Azeri dispute. That's why I just want to leave the establishment dates to Nakhichevan's modern history only. Kindest regards, Aivazovsky 22:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You want to give an Armenian shape to the history.This can be accepted a strong nationalist approach. Keep these valuable info in Nakhichevan.Regards.Must.T C 08:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Syria history stubs[edit]

Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 23:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Cuisine[edit]

Biraz acabilir misin formati? Mesela "districts of Turkey" navigation'da isleri karistirabilir. O yuzden boyle genel gecer bir intro koymustum. Ayrica makalenin okunurluguna zarar verebilir. Ama tabii ne onerdigini tam anlamadigimdan bir sey diyemiyorum su an tam olarak.--Z y 08:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Cehaletimi maruz gor ama ben tam anlamadim bu template baska sayfalara mi konacak atif icin? Turkish cuisine page'i yeniden yapilandirmak falan gerekmeyecek degil mi? Yani isin teknik kismindan anlamiyorum da ben. Ne olacak bu template? :)

Tamam guzelmis. Iyi dusunmek lazim ama alt basliklari simdi...--Z y 13:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Tesadufen bugun cok dolandim diger sayfalarda. Kesinlikle boyle bir atif gerekiyor Turkish cuisine page'e. Yani sarma article'i buna iyi ornek etimolojik bilgi de olmasa??

Şaphane mountain[edit]

A tag has been placed on Şaphane mountain, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Steve (Stephen) talk 09:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

And Murat Mountain too. Please create articles only when you have some content to go in them. Don't create articles with only the stub template! --Steve (Stephen) talk 09:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Creating empty articles actually puts people off creating new articles. Instead of a redlink they think the article exists, not realising that actually it has no content. --Steve (Stephen) talk 09:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Murat mountain[edit]

You don't need to put in a placeholder. The location will still be free to write an article when you've got the information to do so. - Mgm|(talk) 09:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


Mustafa, I don't know about Antivandalism, but I think Bohater and Ozgurgerilla are different people. They have quite different styles. Also claiming to have founded the WP: Kurdistan does not mean much, they can all claim the same (initiating/proposing vs. actually creating the project). I think you should remove one of Bohater or Ozgurgerilla there. I don't know procedures, so I cannot help there. I think you should withdraw for now, the evidence is weak/non-existent. If you really think two of those three are the same, you should find something else to support your case. denizTC 15:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Now I checked the contributions of Antivandalism. My personal opinion is Bohater might be Antivandalism. But even if that's the case, Antivandalism is not used for, say, averting 3RR. People should be able to have more than one Wikipedia accounts, as long as they don't abuse them. denizTC 15:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Turkish cuisine Reorganisation[edit]

Tamamdir. Ben varim. Bu aksam 2300 civari gelip bakacagim duruma. Yalniz 1.1.1 hatta 1.1 bile fazla olur bence. Turkish cuisine 1,2,3 diye gidelim dogrudan. Genel basliklara atif yapalim. 1. Origins and general characteristics 2. meats 3. ... gibi yani. Daha ayrintili tabii ki bolunebilir ama cok zor olur oyle. Dough based desserts-milk based desserts-sweets vs. gibi. Kebaplar etli yemekler gibi. Ama dedigim gibi zor olur o. Bir de cok bolunce zayif gorunebilir metin. Ne diyosunuz? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z y (talkcontribs) 16:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Bakin bir arkadas soyle diyor... "Template güzel fikir. Katılıyorum. Yalnız, daha önceki Turkey-cuisine-stub template'ini hatırlarsak, gene aynı şeyler olabilir diye düşünüyorum. Yani kebab, baklava gibi makalelerde diğer ülkelerden editör arkadaşlar bizim template'i kaldırmaya çalışabilirler, dikkatli olmak gerek. Chapultepec 08:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)"

Merhaba, şu an işte olduğum için arasıra bakabiliyorum ancak. Akşam müsait olacağım. Çok selam. Chapultepec 10:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Selam tekrar, demir levha söz konusu olduğunda saç yerine sac kullanılıyordu değil mi? Ben unutmuşum. Chapultepec 17:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


Please check that am I followed correct procedure or not.Must.T C 15:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

You have provided no conclusive evidence to compare edit behavior of Ozgurgerilla. This should be "obvious" evidence. Antivandalism (talk · contribs) and Bohater (talk · contribs) relationship is rather obvious (though you haven't cited that). Your RfCu case would be stronger if you had clear/"obvious" evidence. -- Cat chi? 19:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

As for another checkuser - check this out [2].. Baristarim 03:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Users indef blocked because of this checkuser by Dmcdevit:

lol - I wonder what else is going around here... :) Baristarim 04:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


Why, what is wrong with my username? Check my contributions. Its not as if I have been vandalizing anything.--EOKA-Assasin 13:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you suggest I do?--EOKA-Assasin 13:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Username[edit]

Mustafa bey merhaba. Anlamadım ne demek istediğinizi?--Doktor Gonzo 13:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Tamam şimdi anladım. Uyarınızı yapmışsınız, eğer saldırgan bir nick olduğunu düşünüyorsanız bir admine iletebilirsiniz. If it is qualified as an inapropriate username, they'll remove it. Regards.--Doktor Gonzo 13:49, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Your revert on "Khachkar destruction"[edit]

Please revert yourself on the "Khachkar destruction" article. I have removed the source with an explanation on the talk page. -- Aivazovsky 15:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

No, actually I said that nowhere in the article are khachkars mentioned as being destroyed (except one line about Nakhichevan). Thus, HETQ is irrelevant and the reference should be removed. -- Aivazovsky 16:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


Birileri benden önce davrandı. Sockpuppet olarak bloklandı. Selamlar. Chapultepec 18:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Choban salad[edit]

You mind actually participating in the Merger discussion instead of simply removing it? Thanks. The Behnam 20:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I tagged merge and put a section for discussion on the talk page. That is the way it is supposed to be done. You, on the other hand, blindly removed it without discussion, so you are in the wrong here. Also, I don't know what you mean by 'take back Salad Shirazi'. Anyway, keep it on the appropriate talk page please. Thanks. The Behnam 20:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Take your words back. My eyes is open as enough as to see what happen. You have no good faith in these edits. You tagged, I removed. That is all. Another question.??Must.T C 21:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
What, you guys are quarrelling over salad now? A bre, tin kánate saláta, çocuklar. ("You made a salad of it" = "you messed up big time", Greek idiom). Want to also merge Greek salad? (Although that one is actually slightly different, it's not as finely chopped most of the time.) - I'll send a friend your way who has a lot of experience with middle-eastern cuisine articles. Fut.Perf. 21:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's move this discussion to Talk:Choban salad, please, where it belongs. The merge tag should not be removed; it is an invitation to discuss the issue, not a decision of any kind. --Macrakis 22:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're objecting to the merge tag which I restored (it wasn't originally "my" merge tag). As I say above, a merge tag is an invitation to discuss the issue, not a decision. --Macrakis 15:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Makalp, can you please revert your edits to each of the governorates of Syria. The maps they had before are much better. This is a generic map, and is supposed to be used in articles like Syria and governorates of Syria only. Thank you! —Anas talk? 10:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, I reverted them. Thanks for your help anyway. :-) —Anas talk? 10:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
If we didn't have highlighted maps we would've used the template, but the separate maps are more appropriate. The maps used before are highlighted too, and are better. Using the template will leave the other (better) maps redundant. Thanks, Anas talk? 10:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hm, not bad. I reverted. I really think this is unnecessary, if we want to use it in the infoboxes, we will have to change the size. When we change the size, it will look cluttered and it wouldn't look suitable in the governorate and the Syria articles (with a samll size). This means that the infoboxes will be better but the articles will not, meanwhile in the current situation both are pretty good. So, let's just keep things as is and avoid this confusion. Sorry, I thank you for your efforts but I hope you understand. :-) —Anas talk? 13:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding man. :-) —Anas talk? 13:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Çoban salatası[edit]

There is a proposal on the table to merge Çoban salatası with other kinds of chopped salad in the region into an article "Middle Eastern chopped salad". Your thoughts would be welcome in the discussion at Talk:Çoban salatası. --Macrakis 15:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Kara Kuş[edit]

Hi their. The name Kara Kuş is the name for a village in Turkey called Qochanis, not in Iraq. Baghdida's Turkish name has always been spelled with a Q - see Google;[[3]]. By spelling it Kara Kus, it would confuse the two villages. Chaldean 16:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


Ltf take a look, to post your oppinion Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_names#EOKA-AssasinMust.T C 16:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Gerek kalmadı. Bloklandı.Must.T C 16:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I do not believe my involvement was necessary either way. -- Cat chi? 16:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Açıklama istemişlerdi.Düzgün ingilizce gerekir diye yardım istemiştim.Sağol.Must.T C 16:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I would have gladly helped on that end. :D -- Cat chi? 17:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)



Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive information to Wikipedia, as you did to Kurdistan. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Tarc 22:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Casualties of the PKK conflict[edit]

Template:Casualties of the PKK conflict has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --denizTC 04:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


Mustafa, (Urla, Turkey)'i Urla (District), İzmir'e yönlendirmişsin ama sakıncası yoksa (Urla, Turkey)'e geri çekiyorum. Konak misali. Türkiye'de başka Urla yok bildiğim kadarıyla zaten. Cretanforever 14:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I am reverting it. But we have to fit Konak into the same format too in that case. Cretanforever 15:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


I warned him that if he edits anywhere other than the changing names page, I'll reblock. Please let me know if he edits anywhere, and if I'm not around, report him to AIV. John Reaves (talk) 20:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

script-need help[edit]

User:Makalp Hello Ottoman, I am trying to use a scriptfunction;[[:]]: (Example: {{#replace:Žmržlina|ž|z}} returns Žmrzlina.)It doesnt work. Is it something wrong, are you familiar with this function?Thanks in advance.

String functions (such as replace) in C is ASCII based. The database is using extended code for sure. I'm not so sure if the programing libraries in this system are using extended code. 2me it feels like the source of the problem is not how you write your syntax but .... There may be ways to short circuit this, but I do not advise as it will get highly complex (Capitalization is a problem) If you look at the issues that I face in extended characters, instead of dealing them with algorithms, I choose to create a simple table and look at the replacement in that table. I will try to help if you specify the problem thanks. --OttomanReference 16:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Are you saying you will overload a system function? I mean the PAGENAME. Even if we solved the replacement issues, you can not overload a system function. Assuming this is what it means when you say: then we could use {{PAGENAME}} in the article where we need"--OttomanReference 17:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
I check the manual. These (string) functions are currently not installed at the Wikimedia projects. Sorry you need to use #switch and generate a replacement table. That is what I have been using... Sorry for the bad news. OttomanReference 17:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reversions[4] made on April 18 2007 to Tehcir Law[edit]

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. - auburnpilot talk 19:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Note: You are within one edit of violating the three revert rule. - auburnpilot talk 19:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Türkiye[edit]

Aynı anda, aynı ekip tarafından hem WikiProject Kurdistan, hem de Türkiye için çalışılıyorsa o projelerden pek hayır beklemem. ÖzgürGerilla bile Project Turkey'de, PKK'yı desteklediğini de utanmadan yazmış, daha ne desem boş. Khutuck 20:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mustafa[edit]

I have noticed that you are interested in Kailar. Are you from kailar originially. I did create this article. keep in touch me.--3210 00:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Aydın Bey[edit]

A tag has been placed on Aydın Bey, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. exolon 12:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Dear Djbrianuk,I understand your Good faith intention. I did those also with Good Faith. Let me explain;There are plantifull of Redlinks in Turkey related articles-which wait to be created.I made a template {{NewarticleTR}}, create a category under WPTR category. simply tagging any redlink with this template it will be categorised automatically under[ [:Category:Turkey_related_needed_articles]](is a sub category of Category:WikiProject_Turkey.Can you offer me an alternative way; forexampla to collect these redlinks in a List by a bot or something else?

Regards.Must.T C 12:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

    • I have two suggestions. Once is simply do a simple stub for any article you create (a couple of sentences would be fine - e.g. "Aydin Bey is a well known holiday resort in Turkey. Located on the coast, it is popular with families and larger groups. 100000 tourists a year visit on average." - then add appropriate stub categories. The other one is to put the list of redlinks on the Turkey Wikiproject so people can see them and create from there. Hope this helps.exolon 12:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Re Speedy Del[edit]

Hi, I removed the tag as the article is a valid stub now. The edit summary of its creation read "test", that is why I asserted it will not be extended. Apologies if I applied the tag too soon. tomst | talk 13:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest to keep a list of important or requested red-link topics on the turkish project page. If you create empty articles, the red-link is gone and it is not obvious, that the article needs work. Additionally there is a high chance that the article will be marked for deletion as it does not contain any information other than a category. If you want to get rid of red-links, try to write a valid stub as you did in İncirburnu, Gökçeada. I hope that helps. tomst | talk 16:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

many thanks[edit]

It's very kind of you to post the Mecidi Award, especially as we approach 23 Nisan. Certainly there's a lot more to be told about Turkey. See you in cyberspace.

Can Istanbuljohnm 15:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


I think these are just heat of the moment (a very long moment). [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17]? --Oguz1 15:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


Bugun wikipedia'da dolaşırken fark ettim Aleviler ile ilgili "article" da Turkey related? Bence onu da wiki project Turkey'e alalım? Yani kim alıyorsa? Ya da template'lerden koyalım? Shi'a islam'ın template'ı var ama TR yok?

Bir de Turk mutfağına şu araçlarla ilgili bir şeyler ekleyecektiniz. O güzel fikirdi. Ben tartışmalarla uğraştığımdan peynire daha başlamadım. Yakında... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z y (talkcontribs) 17:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC).


I think 150 pixels is small for that photo.--Ugur Olgun 15:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Haklısın çözünürlük kötü olduğu için 150 pixel daha iyi bir çözüm oldu. Malesef şu an o resmin daha kalitelisine ulaşacak durumda değilim. :( Şimdilik böyle kalsın, daha iyisini bulunca yada Zile ye gittiğimde çekince değiştiririz.--Ugur Olgun 15:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Maddeyi okuyup copy edit yapabilir misin?--Ugur Olgun 16:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Tamam, kolay gelsin işlerinde. Zaten acelesi yok zamanın olunca bakarsan sevinirim.--Ugur Olgun 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

RE Adana[edit]

Thanks for your friendliness in helping improve the entry!DBaba 16:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

List of sovereign states[edit]

You have edited this protected article while an ongoing dispute covers exactly the inclusion criteria and their correct interpretation. I have no oppinion on Northern Cyprus, but this is not acceptable Wikipedia practice. Please, undo your change and participate in the discussion (which is covered by an RfC). Dpotop 11:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Türk Mutfağı (Şablon)[edit]

2 numara çok güzel duruyor. İçerik konusunda Zy başta olmak üzere hepimiz yardımcı oluruz. Elinize sağlık. Chapultepec 17:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

2 numara guzel evet. Fakat ana basliklar ve iceriklerin belirlenmesi bayagi zorlayacak. Sizinle konustuktan sonra boyle genis kapsamli birkac kitap karistirdim. Bir tanesindeki siniflamayi ornek vereyim:

corbalar (zaten siz de koymussunuz), etler-tavuklar (ki bence kebaplar ayri bir baslik olmali), pilavlar, hamur işleri ve börekler, balıklar, sebze yemekleri ve dolmalar(ayri olmali), yumurtalı yemekler, salatalar-mezeler, tatlılar.

Simdi baska cuisinelere de baktim; bazisi bolge bolge bolmus. Olmaz o, uymaz bize. Bir de su var. En meshur yemekler, tatlilar o template'lerde gorunur olsun bence; dolmaydi, baklavaydi, donerdi vs. Mesela kebabs ana label olsun altina yazalim kebaplari ama cok mu uzun olur o zaman da? Bir de tabii tatlıları alt basliklarla duzenleme ne zamandir aklimda ama girisemiyorum. O kadar coklar ki. Kategorize etmeye kalkarsam 1 kategoride 10 tane bir digerinde 2 tane olabilir. O da dengesiz durur diyorum? Bilemiyorum tabii. Ayni sey etler icin de gecerli 40 tane kebap, 3 tane kavurma olacak. Bir de guveci kebabi koyduktan sonra ayri bir tavuk basligi mesela zayif kalir gibi.

Soonuc: temelde guzel bence template'imiz. Gerisini hallederiz.--Z y 20:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

mesela ana basligi non-alcoholic beverages yapsak altina dizsek ayrandi, kahveydi vs. Bakan gorsun direk orada Turk kahvesini. Abartili mi olur?

Alt basliklarin hepsi degil ama belli baslilari gozuksun mu ne dersiniz? mesela kebaplarin altinda 4-5 tane alt baslik gozukebilir ama tabii o zaman da sanki o kadarcikmis gibi olur. Ne diyorsunuz?--Z y 14:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Şu an şablon çok daha güzel. Önerilerim şunlar:
Çoğul eklerinden önce tırnak işaretlerine gerek yok. Yani Turkish mezes and salads diyebiliriz.
& işaretinin olduğu yerlerde işaretin sağına ve soluna boşluk verebiliriz. Turkish meat&chicken yerine Turkish meat & chicken gibi.
Turkish pastry yerine Turkish pastries kullanabiliriz.
Son satırda sanırım instruments intruments olarak yazılmış, onu değiştirebiliriz.
Aklıma gelen öneriler bunlar. Ama şu ana kadarki çalışma çok iyi. Elinize sağlık. Chapultepec 14:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Harika olmuş, yalnız gördüğüm bir sorun var. Pilav bölümünü açtığımda böreklerle ilgili detaylar geliyor. Onun dışında çok iyi. Teşekkürler. Chapultepec 18:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Son hali çok iyi. Şablonda yer alan makaleleri de oluşturdukça çok daha güzel olacak. Teşekkürler. Chapultepec 18:58, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Merhabalar, şu an evde tadilat olduğu için wikipedia bakımından en kötü günlerimi yaşıyorum. :) İşte olduğum için şu an tek yapabildiğim watchlist'imdeki makaleleri kontrol etmek. Bu arada vakit bulabilirsem şablona da bakarım. Daha da olmazsa en fazla iki-üç gün içinde kontrol etme imkanım olur. Görüşürüz. Chapultepec 07:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


Oncelikle cok guzel oluyor. Simdi onerilerim.

Bence Turkish eating habits ile baslamayalim. Restoranlari, beverages ile birlikte sona atalim derim. Milk based products ile start aliriz-instruments vs. Sonra "Turkish dishes" baslar. (Bu arada Meals sanki öğünler gibi oluyor ama?).

Mesela mezelerimizi yazalim bol bol, niye sadece 3 tanesini yazdik? Illa article mi yazmak gerek oyle yazinca? Corbaları kebabları nasıl yazmissak onlari da yazalim bence, kotu durmamis. Vegetable dish icin de ayni sey gecerli. Dolmalarda direk doldurdugumuz seyleri yazalim bence. Dolma & sarma : vine, chard, cabbage leaves, eggplant, courgette, tomato, pepper, pumpkin etc. gibi. Daha once de soyledigim gibi okudunuz mu bilmiyorum ama Turkish sweet olmuyor desserts diyelim lokumlari macunlari falan da kapsar.

Isterseniz Turkish pastries ile -pilavlari ve pastalari- bolelim. Yani pilav-pasta section acabiliriz? Boreklerin arkasina pilav & manti koyarsak kaybolacak. Bir de mesela sira onemli. Baklava, sutlu nuriye, kadayif arka arkaya gelse sonra sutlu tatli adlari sonra helvalar sonra hosmerim asure pelteler gelebilir sonra sweetler lokumlar macunlar cevizli sucuk falan?

Bir de bir sey sorucam bu template'i yapinca Turkish cuisine sayfasinda reorganisation'a gidecek miyiz? Oyle bir sart var mi? Biraz cahilce bir soru olabilir ama :) Yani show diyince Turkish cuisine icinde ilgili section gozukecek degil mi? Ha alt basliklara tiklanirsa direk onun sayfasi gelecek?

--Z y 09:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Sayın Z y, Sırayla gidelim;

  • Senin imzan ile ilgili bir sorun var gibi görünüyor. Üstte "My preferences"'i tıkla, açılam sayfada "signature" nin sağındaki kutuya görünmesini istediğin imzayı yaz, altındaki kutucuğu işaretle("raw sign") ve "save " et. Bu andan sonra 4 adet "~" koyduğun her yerde imzan görünmesini istediğin gibi görünecektir.
  • Template;
    • Şimdilik, bu ana Şablonu tüm ilgili maddelerin altına eklememiz lazım. İleride "parser functions" ları kullanarak "sayfa ismi" yada "anahtar" bir kelime ile sadece ilgili maddenin ait olduğu altşablonu getirmek mümkün olabilir.Deneyeceğim.
    • Şuandaki, ana şablonda yer alan alt şablonlara (şablon başlığının sol köşesindeki) "e"(edit) harfine tıklayarak bu alt şablona ait maddeleri eklememiz gerekiyor.
    • her şablon içindeki maddelerin sıralaması konusunda haklısınız. En önemli en solda olarak maddeler sıralanabilir.
    • "Turkish pastries ile -pilavlari ve pastalari- bolelim"?..Lütfen bölüm başlıklarını görünmesini istediğiniz gibi belirtirmisiniz.Hemen uygulamaya koyabiliriz. "Böreks" , "pastries", "pilavs" iyimi?sizin önerileriniz.?

**sweet->dessert; hemen.yapıldı.Must.T C 10:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

    • alt şablon sıralaması; hemen.

İzleyin. Selam.Must.T C 10:17, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

E o zaman ana metne uyduralim sonra gerekirse duzeltiriz:

  1. Turkish Cheeses
  2. Turkish Soups
  3. Turkish Pastries
  4. Turkish Pilavs & Pastas
  5. Turkish Vegetable & Egg dishes
  6. Turkish Mezes & Salads
  7. Dolma & Sarma
  8. Turkish Kebabs
  9. Turkish Meat & Chicken & Fish Dishes
    1. Meat Dishes
    2. Fish Dishes
    3. Chicken Dishes
  10. Turkish Desserts
  11. Beverages
    1. Alcoholic Beverages
    2. Non-alcoholic Beverages
  12. Traditional Culinary Instruments
  13. Restaurants

bu categorizasyon uygunmu?Must.T C 12:16, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


  1. Turkish Cheeses (kaşar, beyaz peynir, İzmir tulum, Erzincan tulum, Kars gravyer, lor vs.)
  2. Turkish Soups (onları yazmıştınız zaten)
  3. Turkish Pastries (Su böreği, tatar böreği ve diğer yazdıklarınız, gözleme, katmer, pide, poğaça)
  4. Turkish Pilavs & Pasta(s) (ana sayfada dün eklediğim pilavlara mantı ve erişte eklenecek)
  5. Turkish Vegetable & Egg dishes (vegetables with olive oil, mücver, mercimek köfte, kızartmalar, dolma)
  6. Turkish Mezes & salads (ana sayfada listelenenler)
  7. Dolma & Sarma (eggplant, courgette, cabbage, chard, vine leaves, tomato, pumpkin, lamb, quince, apple -doldurulan seyler yazilabilir ya da halep dolmasıydı falan gibi özel tarifi olanlar verilebilir)
  8. Turkish Kebabs
  10. Turkish Desserts (ana sayfadakileri listeleriz zaten birçoğunun article'i olacak)
  11. Alcoholic Beverages (rakı ve şaraplık üzümler?)
  12. Non-alcoholic Beverages
  13. Traditional Culinary Instruments (sac, güveç, oklava ve diğerleri bunu eating habits ile birlestirip basa alabiliriz?)-

Yukarda aynisi varken bunu da yaptim ya pes dedim yani :) Iste karisiyor bir o bir bu...


-Z y 12:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Merhaba..Olur ederim. Bir de acaba template'e meats'in altına charcuterie koysak mı? Sucuk pastırma kokoreç falan gibi şeyler için? --Z y 22:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Templates-Help needed[edit]

  • Please check template;Template:Turkish cuisine. **I have a problem with "state=" . I want to expand one sub-level only with a click.i.e. first click on main template expands only one level. and with one click on a sub-template expands only one level this template. and in sub-sub-template expands only this one, so on.How can achieve this?I can not solve with autocollapsed,collapsed states, maybe I made wrong.I dont know.**Another question; Assume that this template with only two level. First level would include clickable names of sub-templates in one row.When we click one of them, this sub-template contents will appear in the second row.How??

Thanks in advance.Regards.Must.T C 17:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

You should not use the nav templates. Their structure forces you do nesting structure you do not want. You can not open or close first levels or second levels coordinately (assuming tis is what you were asking) as Level variables will be mixing. You need to create the divisions by hand with the order you want; use the <div> with direct link to scripts. I have seen you using it. But I have a question? Did you consider usability. It feels to much click to reach couple links. I feel that it would be better if you organize this information in a single table with images and colors. Or create different templates and link the templates with a wikilink, you already have done creating the templates, put links to other templates inside these individual templates. The way you want to do (hiding behind navigation frames) will take a lot of time, It may not even be useful at the end. Thanks --OttomanReference 17:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


Herhangi bir sayfayı taşımak için yukarıdaki move sekmesini kullanabilirsiniz. Yalnız kımızın İngilizcesi kumis ya da kumiss'tir. Ve gene Türki dillerden geçmiştir. Bence taşımaya gerek yok. Chapultepec 19:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Kyrgyz SSR[edit]

No problem. -- Aivazovsky 17:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Giresun Castle[edit]

Hi Makalp, just wanted to let you know that I have tagged the article Giresun Castle for deletion because it is empty (per CSD A1). This is probably due to an error on your side: the template {{WPTR}} should be added on the talk page of the article (even if the article does not exist), not on the article itself. Cheers, Schutz 11:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Arb case[edit]

Please take a look on this and this. Regards.Must.T C 12:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is the issue? -- Cat chi? 13:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
About blocking policy on Miskin.Must.T C 13:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Users may get blocked for this purpose as a result but that isn't the point of arbitration. The point of arbitration is to resolve a dispute. This approach would bring better results from arbcom both for the accuser and the accused. -- Cat chi? 12:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Sorry for my mistake, I tried to carry your and Olgun's all edits to my last version, but possibly; either there was a coincide of our edits or I made a mistake there.Sorry again.Must.T C 11:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I though it was a honest mistake. Ah, edit conflicts are painful :) -- Cat chi? 12:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Mustafa; I see you included the archivebox in all your talk archives. Just a suggestion: it's much more convenient to define it as a template in your userspace and transclude (i.e. not substitute it) to the main talk and archives. See User:Duja/Archivebox and Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Duja/Archivebox. Regards, Duja 11:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Postcards, especially new ones, are copyrighted in general. Note that {{PD-art-life-70}} requires 70 years from the author's death rather than the date of their issuing; that is probably not the case even for 1900-1920 postcards. The best place to ask similar questions is WP:MCQ. I'll try to fix your archives. Duja 11:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Done. Next time you do the archiving, just update User:Makalp/Archivebox. Duja 12:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Needed article[edit]

Yalnız her kırmızı için bir article biraz fazla olmaz mı ya?--Z y 21:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Tv sesame street herry.jpg[edit]

Hello Makalp, an automated process has found an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, such as fair use. The image (Image:Tv sesame street herry.jpg) was found at the following location: User talk:Makalp/archive dec2006. This image or media will be removed per statement number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media will be replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. The image that was replaced will not be automatically deleted, but it could be deleted at a later date. Articles using the same image should not be affected by my edits. I ask you to please not re-add the image to your userpage and could consider finding a replacement image licensed under either the Creative Commons or GFDL license or released to the public domain. Thanks for your attention and cooperation. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 04:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeni template[edit]

Bence daha mantıklı olmuş çünkü her yerde o kapsamlı template biraz aşırı durabilirdi. Bu arada signature için teşekkürler --Z yTalk 14:11, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

İrbahem Datlises[edit]

Dear Cool, Who is İrbahem Datlises? Which bus company he own.?Regards.Must.T C 17:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

No idea, it was in the revert and wasn't a part of the revert rationale... -- Cat chi? 17:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Baba Hamparsum[edit]

Döndüm tatilden. Balık iyi giderdi sahiden ama onları yemek yerine beraber yüzmek de keyifliydi. Hamparsum Limonciyan never spelled his name in the Latin alphabet. His name would have been written in Arabic script and in Armenian script. Therefore any Latin transcription is just that. On the other hand, he is an important figure for Turkish music, his work and notation still being referred to today, so Turkish transcription rather than English transcription seems natural to me. But whatever the choice, since it is not the original and since redirects work well, I would not care either way. Look for him as Hamparsum, or Baba Hamparsum in google for Turkish sources. Regards, --Free smyrnan 21:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


Mustafa, whatever you're doing on Template:Infobox Serbia municipality please do it later: I'm in the midst of fixing it and you're interfering with me. Duja 08:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, just, I screwed something up and at least 2 people came to fix it simultaneously... and that's certainly the wrong way to fix it. Duja 08:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Your revert[edit]

No problem. I deleted the image from en.wikipedia, but it also was uploaded under the same name to Commons, where it also is deleted now. Garion96 (talk) 12:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


The article is about Halva. Turkey is one of many countries where halva is produced, and should have no special treatment - the category Turkish Cuisine is enough.


The article is about Halva. Turkey is one of many countries where halva is produced, and should have no special treatment - the category Turkish Cuisine is enough.Michael Fourman 19:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia[edit]

Hi. Why did you change "Cilician gates" to the Turkish version of the same name in an article about Armenia? This is the English-language Wikipedia, so the English name should be used, not the current Turkish name. And why did you add the "History of Turkey" category to it? -- Davo88 19:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


Cool-White Cat, Şu resimlere Image:Adanabodies.JPG , Image:Adanamass.PNG bakabilirmisin.Yükleyen User:Artaxiad.Free-PD olarak belirtmiş. belirtilen kaynak copyrighted 2005 olduğunu söylüyor. neyapılabilir.? Kolay gelsin. Must.T C 17:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Kaynaklarda o resimleri gormuyorum. Telif ihlali oldugunu "kanitlamak" icin gerekli bu. -- Cat chi? 00:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Makalp. Can you elaborate why do you think User: is in fact User:GreekWarrior. I have noticed that they both share interest in Northern Cyprus, but do you have something more specific. I have not dealt with the Greek Warrior before that is why I am asking Alex Bakharev 21:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

History of Anatolia[edit]

Hey bud, not trying to engage in a RV war, but isn't it important to include some mention of the Armenian Genocide in the history of Anatolia, as long as there is a section about the Ottoman Empire?

It seems particularly odd to note Jewish migration from Spain during the Reconquista, while omitting the awkward disappearance of the ancient inhabitants of the region. I'd rather you fixed it, I don't like disagreeing with people! Maybe you should add a section about the Armenians, if you insist on removing mention of them from the Ottoman section.  :o)

Cheers, DBaba 14:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

History of Anatolia[edit]

Hey bud, not trying to engage in a RV war, but isn't it important to include some mention of the Armenian Genocide in the history of Anatolia, as long as there is a section about the Ottoman Empire?

It seems particularly odd to note Jewish migration from Spain during the Reconquista, while omitting the awkward disappearance of the ancient inhabitants of the region. I'd rather you fixed it, I don't like disagreeing with people! Maybe you should add a section about the Armenians, if you insist on removing mention of them from the Ottoman section.  :o)

Cheers, DBaba 14:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear """Hey bud,, this is the first time that we are contacting formally.
Rv war.; I have no time to go to disputable articles which are out of the scope of WPTR. Just revert obvious vandalisms, revert some nationalist POV materials, revert some material which added according to a political agenda.
You was added the one sentence two times to that article just to add so called- Armenian Genocide nothing else. You are not a regular editor in that article. And so; I am free to delete this POV sentence.
I can not see any relation between the history of Spain and Anatolia, if you see add your sentence there.
I can add some articles/templates/cats by the following my agenda,nothing else. I dont want to loss time in talk pages, my messages is short and in edit summary generally.I understand your motivation about Armenians, why you dont add a section to that article like as "Armenians in Turkey today" approximately 5% of population of Armenia in Turkey now.(Are Those Armenians masochist?).
Happy editing to you in a non-contraversial manner.Must.T C 15:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
You know, I was just being friendly. All I did was call you buddy, send you a smiley emoticon, and ask if we could work together. You came back with an insulting political diatribe. If you feel ashamed of your initial reaction, that probably means you're a good person. Please don't edit my comments; that distorts my words.DBaba 15:45, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah when I look again, it's a bit crazy to have no mention of The Crusades in a History of Anatolia, as well! That period also had a tiny bit of relevance for humanity! That entry is painfully lousy, I'm almost motivated to attack it more comprehensively.DBaba 14:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Future of Anatolia[edit]

No problem, I just clean up my comments frequently. So whose beautiful baby is that up there? This exchange has gone on long enough without me offering my formal congratulations on the addition. Is it your child?DBaba 18:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for developping Template:Anatolian Turkish Beyliks Mustafa. I will still add the bits and details. I will see about Karaburun Peninsula, İzmir as well. Cretanforever 16:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I sent you an e-mail. Read with humor:) Cretanforever 11:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Bedreddin'e feci merak sardın bakıyorum Mustafa:) I am sure someone translated into English the titles of his works in an academic source. I will have a look now, although I am not sure that they give much of a clue on the historical personality, and still less on the posthumous legends, especially the 20th century ones. I always found it curious that he was very roughly contemporaneous to other movements, labelled as hereticisms, such as the Cathars in France and Bogomils in the Balkans. Yerleşik hukuk düzeni açısından "Katli vacip malı haram!" olması da ilginç. I. Mehmed'in destanını yazan olmadı henüz, halbuki en önemli hükümdarlardan biri :) I will check if there are sources of academia in English on him.

Bu arada bebek küçük Akalp mi? Allah analı babalı büyütsün. :) Cretanforever 19:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

You have some info in the following pages. Varidat is translated as "Inspirations" Nazım Hikmet: The romantic communist. Tabii, Nazım Hikmet adı üstünde bir "destan" yazmış, tarihe dayanak olarak almamak lazım. Selam. Cretanforever 19:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Bu da ilginç. Bulgaria başlığı altında Deli Bedreddin'in Deliorman'a kaçışı ve yakalanışı. :) Cretanforever 19:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hayır! Since it's Sunday, I didn't read any papers:) I will take a look at Defterdar Mosque article. Selam. :) Cretanforever 16:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


Sorry for re-adding Meryamana, I did't do that on purpose, I don't even know what it is. I can't make edits in that page, or rather, I'm making edits but then I can't see them. As for your points #2 and #3, this is a POV that neither scholars nor wikipedians follow to the present moment. If we start using anachronistic names with no caution then nothing will ever make sense. No offence but I'm hoping to have the article listed under Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations, so a minimum amount of neutrality and relevancy needs to be maintained. Miskin 16:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Coşkun Can Aktan[edit]

Thanks for the categories and edits to Coşkun Can Aktan. He sounds rather interesting, and I suspect he has been interviewed a lot by the Turkish and foreign press over the past 15 years--if you can find and add information from some Turkish language news sources related to his commentaries on Turkey's move from a centrist to a private economy in the quest for EU membership, that would be great. I forgot about adding categories! Such an obvious and important detail. KP Botany 18:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


Your recent edits to Başkale (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) were the removal of a well-sourced statement. The source is an eye-witness account of massacre and deportation in Başkale. You must use the discussion page if you wish to query material. Your use of the edit summary to call other users biased is not conducive to the nature of the project. Please state your reasons for wishing the removal of sourced material on the article talk page. If you fail to work with other users, or continue to make personal remarks about others, you will be reported and may be blocked from editing for a time. — Gareth Hughes 22:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

It is not acceptable to cover the deletion of material from this article by rewriting it. Further belligerent editing will lead to you being reported. — Gareth Hughes 18:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

New Template[edit]

Bence eskisi daha iyiydi ya. Cok mu uzun oldu diye boyle yaptiniz? Ama fark etmez tabi bu da olur.

Tebrik & Sorun[edit]

Bebeginizi Allah anali babali buyutsun...

Su sayfaya Turkish desserts'i nasil ekleyebiliriz? "" --Z yTalk 12:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


Considering some of your intensive revert warring at various Armenian-Turkish related articles, in particular articles related to the Armenian Genocide, I think your participation in new ArbCom would be quite relevant. While the name of the arbitration is "Armenia-Azerbaijan", the wider conflict, as it assumigly seems by other people, is "Armenia-Azerbaijan-Iran-Turkey". So I have added you to the list of participants. This shall serve as your notice [18] and here is where the evidence goes [19] - Fedayee 04:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

NYT Article on Parliamentary elections in Turkey[edit]

I found this New York Times article interesting, and was wondering if you would find it to be prejudiced or unfair. It seems like a fairly balanced article to me as far as I can tell, although in the photo montage it does state that "The Turkish education system teaches secularism and nationalism." Presumably that statement would be offensive to you, no? I was just wondering what you'd think about the article, to compare your perspective to that of the article. I understand if you don't have time to get to it. Cheers to you and Akalp, DBaba 15:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


Khoikhoi keeps reverting Ordu again and again to the genocide theme, when the sources provide do not support any of the claims made. He has not defended any of the sources to this date. If you agree with his version, I'd like your input so we can reach a concensus. I'm tired of trying to explain to him why his sources are useless as he does not engage in discussion, he just makes up a reason to revert. Thanks. --Oguz1 14:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Armenia Azerbaijan 2[edit]

Hello, this is a courtesy note to notify you that I have presented evidence against you, in the arbitration case in which you were name a party of. [20] VartanM 16:57, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Kalaafiyet, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. B. Wolterding 11:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Closed[edit]

The above named arbitration case in which you were named as a party has closed. The remedy is as follows: The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them.

You may view the full case decisions here.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 00:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


arkadaşlar merhaba, şu sıralar wikideki ermeniler iyice azıtmış durumda, türkiye ve türkler hakkındaki tüm kaynakları referanslarıyla birlikte imha çabası içerisindeler. özellikle "Turkey", "Turkish People" ve "Turkic peoples " sayfaları ve bunlar ile bağlantılı sayfalar hiç olmadığı kadar tehdit altında, türkiyenin neredeyse tüm şehirlerinin sayfalarına kendi ulusal reklamlarını eklemek üzereler. bununlada yetineyip kendileriyle hiçbir alakası olmayan "tarihteki türk uygarlıkları" ile ilgili makalelere saldırma çirkinliğinide atlamıyorlar. lütfen aşşağıdaki bu ve bunun gibi wiki bağlantılarını kullanarak bu tehdite karşı koyalım. sayıları bizden çok daha az yeterki organize olalım. saygılar

--hakozen 01:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


Mustafa bebegi yeni farkettim, hayirli olsun, Allah anali babali buyutsun. Su are pek wikipedia ile ugrasamayacaksin herhalde. Ben de seni rahatsiz etmek icin geldiydim, bayagi bi is var, backlogging falan. Ben de aslinda wikipedia ya zaman ayiramayacak kadar mesgulum. Isten gucten oluyoruz. Hadi kendine ve ailene iyi bak. DenizTC 14:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Anladığım kadarıyla biri seni eklemiş, ve bundan sonra Ermenistan-Azerbeycan ile ilgili konularda 'düzgün' davranmayacaksan bir admin seni uyaracakmış, ve sonrasında buna devam edersen, çeşitli yaptırımlarla karşılaşacakmışsın. Çok ayrıntısını bilemiyorum. İstersen Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2'ye gidip bi sor, neden eklenmişşin, falan filan. DenizTC 17:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


Selam. Yine ben. Yunan Mutfagi sayfasina su sacmalik konmus ve ben bir turlu kaldiramiyorum? Bugun en son boyle uyarilar falan geldi, yok senin edit'lerini bloke ettiricez falan diye. Ne kadar dogrudur bu? Anlatmaya calistim ama olmadi. Ben de surekli siliyordum. Devam edeyim mi?

Such Turkish staples as kebabs, stuffed vine leaves and stuffed vegetables were Byzantine staples. Börek, halva and baklava are well-attested in Byzantine and classical texts. The arts of baking and viniculture were also unknown to the Turks when they arrived in Anatolia and the latter remained a Christian prerogative at least as late as the sixteenth century. The food of the ordinary people of Byzantium was very similar to that of today's Anatolian peasantry -bread, beans, lentils, olives and olive oil, vegetables fruit and dairy products.

Sacmalik otesi. Bir sey yapamaz miyiz? Quoted olunca dokunulmaz mi oluyor sacmaliklar, anlamadim ben --Z yTalk 17:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Tabii ki canim. Baklava discussion'da da yazdim. En alakasiz konuya soyle deginen kaynaklarda bile (ornegin daha yeni okudugum Runciman'da) Turklerin, ozellikle Pecenekler gibi savasci kollarin, 1071'den cok daha once bizzat Bizans imparatorlari tarafindan Anadolu'ya ve Balkanlara yerlestirildiklerini soyluyor. Ki bu Anadolu'ya girisin sadece bir yolu..Yani abesle istigal bunlar ama mecburuz bu abukluklarla sabirla mucadele etmeye..--Z yTalk 17:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Mount Spil[edit]

Selam Mustafa! At least it made you rush back to wiki which is, of course, positive, but why the Spil thing instead of Mount Sipylus, or certainly preferably Mount Spil. All others mountains in Turkey are Mount xxx. Cretanforever 07:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Blocked user[edit]

Hello Makalp, I'd like to have few words if you don't mind. Lets start with Flavious, he was blocked because he disregarded wiki rules and still does. According to an admin

"I can confirm that virtually everything new that turns up on Turkey-related pages these days is Flavius. All 151.37.*.* - 151.44.*.* IPs definitely are, and any new account created a few days ago as ripened sleeper accounts that show the same editing behaviour can confidently be treated as him too. Fut.Perf. ☼ "

So you see when an IP address that starts with 151.44. starts to edit Turkish related articles and then Whitealp continues editing in the same manner it leaves no doubt as to who the real person behind the IP and the new user is[21].

Next I'd like to talk about couple of wiki rules

WP:3RR - There are other instances where multiple reverts may not constitute a breach of this policy:

  • reverts to undo actions performed by banned users or currently blocked users evading their block.

When reverting him 3RR doesn't apply.

WP:BAN - Wikipedians are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned user, an activity sometimes called "proxying," unless they are able to confirm that the changes are verifiable and have independent reasons for making them.

Reporting users or editing articles on his behalf is not permitted.

Makalp please don't follow Flavious's route on disregarding wiki rules. You are a great contributer to Turkish related articles and it would be a shame to see you blocked for getting involved with a banned user. VartanM 19:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Be careful with your words and tone(smelling as threat).What is the meaning; " using user:Makalp as a meatpuppet", did you take some help to decide on this? Please dont occupy my talk with these tones. How you decide these users are socks, before FPaS's evidences.Reply in related pages.

See you in positive contributions. Must.T C 20:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks[edit]

Admin mop.PNG Thanks, Makalp!
Thank you for your support in my RfA. It was a success, and I look forward to getting started! Hiberniantears 18:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
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The Ottoman warrior mentality of the Anatolian Greeks[edit]

I request your help to face a disgusting and offensive behaviour against we Turks from a nationalist Greek named Cplakidas in the article Greco-Italian War. He denies the evidence of scholars like the British Mack Smith (with precise book & page references) about the fact that the Greek army was able to stop temporarily the Italian army in Epirus because the soldiers were nearly one third (or more) Anatolian Greeks (moved to Greece after the 1922 exchange of populations) who had the warrior mentality of Ottomans. That is the reason the Greeks fought bravely and not like "a bit coward" Balkan Greeks, as they have always done. And this is confirmed indirectly by the same Churchill who compared the Greek resistance in Epirus to the one of our glorious soldiers in the Dardanelles during WWI. The same bravery of the soldiers of beloved Ataturk, wrote Churchill. But the nationalist Cplakidas erases all this references and call racist the reference to Smith & Churchill. I believe Cplakidas is the racist when denies that our courage was transmitted to the Anatolian Greeks after centuries of our domination and influence on them. Read the related talkpage to see how he denies even the declarations of the Italian generals about their mistake in evaluating the strength and resolution to fight of the "renowned weak" and corrupt Greek army.Eteturk —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I think this is a dummy argument. What is the bravery? What is the performance criteria for bravery? I saw Cplakidas' edits, seems are suitable. There there is one reality that 25% of the people was Anatolian origin. There can be many explanations about their behaviour -other than their roots-in the battles; It is very normal that immigrants in a country may fight agresively-braverily since they know what is the war and what is the occupation of homeland.
Please focus on the current events instead of nostalgic-romantic concepts, and please take a User name for your future contributions.

regards.Must.T C 09:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

list of mayors[edit]

Su haliyle cok buyuk. Kanada icin olanda sadece nufusu 5000 den fazla olanlarla sinirlandirmislar. Faydali olacaksa oyle bir sinirlandirma yapariz. Dedigim gibi her bir il ve ilce icin section yaparsak, makeleyi bayagi bir kucultmus oluruz. Oyle bir deneyelim bence, hala cok buyuk olursa biseyler dusunuruz. List of mayors of X (X bir il) makalelerinde o ilin/bolgenin gelmis gecmis(belediye) baskanlari siralaniyor, ilcelerin belediye baskanlari yok yani. DenizTC 19:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It's very good thanks for the hard work. DenizTC 16:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

FP Nomination[edit]

Hi, I know this is quite random, but I was wondering if, since you're from Turkey, you would support the nomination of this photo as a Featured Picture - Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Portrait of a Turkish Woman. Thanks Kitkatcrazy 17:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Portrait of a Turkish Woman[edit]

Thanks - what would you suppose the caption be changed to? I find it incredible that your wife knows this woman! Could you ask your wife whether she has any more information on this woman, and also that should she ever see this woman again to thank her for allowing me to take a photo of her? Also, based on the photo itself, do you think it could be nominated for a FP if it had the suitable caption etc? Thanks loads, Kitkatcrazy 16:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Antakia part of Syria? evidence from 1871[edit]

please see reference at

(Britishsyrian (talk) 21:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC))

Syria has been around way before 1870[edit]

Comments needed[edit]

If you have the time, would love to hear your input here. Rarelibra (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Turkish Armed Forces[edit]

Dear Makalp, I'm a member of WP:MILHIST trying to do some research on the structure of the Turkish Armed Forces. I've looked through the English webpages but I know the Turkish webpages have much more information available. Would you be able to translate each of the headings on the page so I know where to look further? Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


It's been a while. I could use your assistance [HERE] for commenting on the deletion of a copied and duplicate image of mine. The user (Supparluca) is attempting to push an Italian POV to override my image. Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


Hello, I don't know who I should speak to about this important matter. The Golan article has been taking over by Israelis and they have removed everything mentioning an occupation and changed it to "disputed" They have also removed the "the neutrality of this article is disputed" that was on top of the article while it is written in a completely pro-Israeli way. Please do something about this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by SwedishArab (talkcontribs) 19:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Little context in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films/List of films without article/List of missing Turkish Films[edit]

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Bi Döner makalesine bakabilir misin? Almanlar ingilizler falan tutturmuşlar "Alman icâdı, BBC'de gördük diye... Kaçtır tek başıma uğraşıyorum ama nafile... Akademik kaynaklarım nâfile. Adam TV'de görmüş... Zamanın var ise bi bakıver

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merger discussion[edit]

see this discussion. Frietjes (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

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We could your assistance on the ANI board[edit]


We could use your assistance | here on the ANI board . We have an IP posting what look like fairly coarse statments in Turkish. Bing does a fair job in translating them, and they look like they're blockable offenses, but getting an independant Turkish speaker involved wouldn't hurt either. Kosh Vorlon    18:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)