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Student essay editing...

Andy, if you are so keen, then you are encouraged to make the improvements. These contributions are inferior in many ways as is being widely discussed not only by myself but others. The rest of us have day jobs, so limited time to contribute. As you probably know from your teaching experiences, repairing student essays take hours of effort and time. Sincerely said, I just dont think that these unsupervised contributions from students are of the technical or stylistic standards we are accustomed to in Wikipedia. The graphics are copyright violations, the article are often violate WP:NOTTEXTBOOK and are preachy or making value judgements. The referencing ignores WP:SECONDARY. If you find these massive additions, salvageable, then you can join the completely absent instructor in editing. We really hope that you can help with content! --Smokefoot (talk) 13:23, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I find your mass removal of good faith contributions by new editors, and your repeatedly pejorative descriptions of them, both outwith the spirit of Wikipedia (WP:BITE, WP:AGF), and disruptive (WP:POINT). If you are too busy to make fixes, that's OK, you are not personally required to do so - just leave the material for others to fix. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
As I have already indicated, at that stage in my traiing would have submitted similarly awful essays. So my pejorative comments are directed at the so-called ambassadors-coordinators-instructors who foster and protect such inappropriate and poorly crafted content. Like you, they are waiting and praying for someone with writing skills to intervene. But as you're discovering, determined mediocrity can be difficult to rectify within the fringes of Wikipedia. Looking forward to your help with editing these and other articles. --Smokefoot (talk) 14:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Those people may have been your intended targets, but that's quite clearly not the result you achieved; here as elsewhere. And no, I do not pray. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:05, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
There is no result to be achieved ... the students dropped their essay bomb on Wikipedia and got their grades. The ambassadors-coordinators-instructors are flush with approval that they are "encouraging" and "nuturing" and being innovative in their engagement of Wikipedia. --Smokefoot (talk) 14:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Errors:

  1. The Roy Society ref is not about footware, & doesn't mention it. What it is about is compositing & biodegradation, in a very general way, with emphasis on packaging material. It's open access here. It references nothing in the paragraph where it is used, & didn't have a link till I added it, so I wonder if anyone ever read it. At present, the entire section 5 has no relevant source at all.
  2. I also wonder if anyone read the Toronto and UC theses cited, or just the abstract. Since one of them is specified as "print", I suspect it was just found in a library catalog without even seeing the abstract.
  3. The Staikos reference, used widely, is unacceptable as given, since it specifies either the link nor the name of the journal nor the year of publication, and makes the common undergraduate error of thinking Ebsco Academic Search Complete is a source, rather than a place where sources can be accessed.
  4. The Albertsson reference, used widely, is given as vol 157, but it doesn't say vol.157 of what.

I can fill all these in, and iI will if I think it's worth the trouble. But the only two references here that seem to actually mention shoes are the inaccessible Santa Barbara Thesis, a podiatrist's newsletter on the web, & the Staikos article from some unknown source.

However, I made the error of judging the article from the version where Smokefoot had removed the content. That doesn't help either. But he is right that accepting work of this sort teaches students nothing valid about research, and seems to teach them that if you write for WP, anything goes, regardless of quality. DGG ( talk ) 17:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
When you asked the editor concerned for, for example, details of the Staikos reference, what response did you get? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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A few minor issues before I get deeper into the review. Thanks for making the nomination to WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 16:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A few minor issues still remain. Please remedy. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 13:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Andy, Thanks for your help. I've nominated you as a cocreator. GTG. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 02:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Would you please weigh in on ALT 1? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 16:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Merge

Hi Pigsonthewing. After setting the merge process at paisley and buta in motion, aren't you supposed to create the initial entry in the discussion to serve as point of departure for others to then express their views and support/ oppose? I believe people need a little prodding, otherwise if they go to the discussion page and see that the discussion space has not even been initiated, they will jsut turn away? Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

No, but if you wish to, be my guest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
From Template:Merge/doc, "After adding the merge template, please create a section on the talkpage explaining your rationale for the merge proposal." So, yes, you are supposed to start the discussion you are pointing people to. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:16, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Precious again

win(g) for infoboxes
Thank you for quality contributions toward "improving, standardising and rationalising templates, especially infoboxes" such as the growing one for Bach's compositions, for "gently reminding ... don't own sections of Wikipedia" to freely share in the sum of all knowledge: you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Two years ago, you were the 340th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, - thank you also for "peace and reconciliation" and for quoting "Let us not forget that even one book, one pen, one teacher can change the world." (pictured) - Please stop making edits which require intelligent reading, such as helping a new new user and helping me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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Hi there. I saw your name on the Highbeam list. I didn't use my Highbeam/WP account much and let it go but do need a copy of this article for a piece I'm working on: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-259267.html Any way that I could con you into copy-pasting that into a word processor document and making that into a pdf for me? Thanks. Tim Davenport /// Carrite (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please respond

Here. 213.7.227.83 (talk) 18:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

MWT

Thanks for your reply - here are some links to me involved in the Anthony Bridger case http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/man-charged-dozens-child-sex-4860234

All the best and thanks for your help MWT579 (talk) 09:46, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi - here are some other links - first one with my name on http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/man-charged-dozens-child-sex-4860234 - then some more just about the case but without any name on - http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/man-bailed-after-charges-dropped-4859704 & http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/250556.stm

Thanks MWT579 (talk) 09:52, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox military person

{{Infobox military person}}. Can we add a "spouse=" and "children=" and "parents=" parameter? Most military people are from military families and the links would be useful. It is a standard biographical parameter. All people infoboxes were updated with the standard biographical parameters, but this one was missed. Can you take a look. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I'll take a look, later, but meanwhile the work-around is to embed the template as a child of {{Infobox person}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

So what are your motives?

Do you not care that (a) you've been ruining the layout of thousands of articles, or that (b) other people are upset by (a)? This is a matter of collegiality: you need to be able to accommodate differing opinion. You may, of course, have a legitimate reason for omitting this parameter, but you'll need to say what that is; the fact that the option's absent from Twinkle clearly isn't sufficient excuse. 213.7.227.83 (talk) 19:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

It seems to upset a few editors (some of whom are clearly intent on hounding me on any issue they can find); while many others are not troubled by it; and others are upset by any notification.. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:17, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I've no interest in hounding you and otherwise appreciate your efforts. This is obviously a somewhat major issue to several people. And it has a very simple remedy. It might disrupt your workflow, but so does having to tend to all of these complaints. If I could edit these templates after you, I wouldn't really mind as much. But I can't. Please, use the |type= parameter in the future. 213.7.227.83 (talk) 19:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind offer. You're in no way obligated, but if you create an account, your editing privileges will be increased. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:36, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
You're in no way obligated to nominate infoboxes for deletion/merging. But when you do, you are obligated to not insert incorrectly formatted code into widely used templates, thereby confusing hundreds of thousands of articles' readers. —David Levy 20:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
You appear to be confusing your opinion with fact. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Factually, you're transcluding templates in a manner contradicting their intended/documented usage. Why are you doing this (and why do you regard it as acceptable/advisable)? —David Levy 20:16, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
I refer you to my first reply to our anonymous find in this section. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
That doesn't answer my questions. (Also, I refer you to my reply to that message, below.) —David Levy 20:27, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Again, the encyclopedia is written for readers, few of whom have ever edited a single page. They're the ones being confused by seemingly nonsensical messages whose basic nature is unfamiliar to them. Wikipedia is not about us.
Indeed, some editors oppose placing any notifications in articles for matters as inconsequential as these. I'm not here to debate that point, nor am I among those "intent on hounding" you. I'm simply asking you to stop transcluding the templates incorrectly.
Regarding this edit summary, I apologize unreservedly if my earlier message came across in that light. I don't doubt that you're acting in good faith, with no motive other than to tidy the template namespace. Unfortunately, you're going about this in a disruptive manner. That isn't your goal, but you're aware of the problem and refuse to take it seriously. —David Levy 20:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
David, your post on Andy's page came across as being very negative- and unhelpful. I think the the apology is very welcome, but continuing the conversation is not helpful. If you have the skills just apply the fix- smile- and walk away-- and if you are at the next Manchester meetup I'ĺl buy you a drink. We must do some work to regularise templates, the coding is arcane and the lack of a #OR #AND and #NOT in the parser functions is weird- almost enough to make it worth learning LUA. The fact that we don't have recommended procedures for planning, documenting, and ongoing maintenance is tacky and amateur. I think you do underestimate our users tolerance-they will accept a little bit of red, providing it has gone the next day. I always find it helpful to extract the nugget of truth from these little spats- from the information given it appears we have shaky code and an inheritance problem, what was this originally cloned from? Shouldn't the discussion be taken back there and a notification put on the Village pump so we can start allocating resources to a full recode! -- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Either you've misunderstood me or I'm misunderstanding you, as you appear to be referring to a different issue.
I'm not criticising Andy's efforts to consolidate templates (which I regard as a good idea) or complaining about any sort of problem that's arisen during the course of such a merger (e.g. temporary red links).
I'm referring to the notification tags that are inserted when a template is nominated for deletion/merging. In the case of an infobox, the parameter "|type=infobox" or "|type=sidebar" (used interchangeably) must be appended, as noted in the documentation. Otherwise, the tag's formatting is broken (the message is misplaced, with a confusing mention of a "template" that doesn't appear to exist). I'm simply asking Andy to use the correct formatting. (As noted above, this entails nothing more than the addition of a thirteen-character parameter.) —David Levy 21:37, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Nailsea Glassworks

Thanks for the DYK nomination, but I haven't finished writing the Nailsea Glassworks article yet and I was going to combine it with the Elms Colliery one (which I haven't started yet).— Rod talk 11:31, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

@Rodw: New articles only have a five-day window for DYK; that doesn't stop you working on it in the meantime, nor indeed subsequently. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Have you seen the comments at Template:Did you know nominations/Nailsea Glassworks?— Rod talk 21:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
@Rodw: Have now, thanks; replied there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

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Recent Changes

Hi, The pages should be ok now. I made sure to remove banners and any links to babies for sale. I even bought domain names for each of the birds so they would have their very own .com name and i would NOT have to link to my aviary site. Maybe i added the links in the wrong place? Bascially my info pages for birds are more or less online books, I see other places for more reading and on some articles even links to books and authors who discuss the subjects. Should i have added the links to a (more info) section or something else. I will go over the pages again and try adding them again but i think i did pretty good yesterday removing things. Thanks Sean user - Matrex01 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.186.24.251 (talk) 11:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Please sign in and read the message I left on your user page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:37, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Library of Birmingham

Which part of WP:ELMINOFFICIAL did you not think related to removing their Twitter? I quote from that short section of policy:

"More than one official link should be provided only when the additional links provide the reader with significant unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites. For example, if the main page of the official website for an author contains a link to the author's blog and Twitter feed, then it is not appropriate to provide links to all three. Instead, provide only the main page of the official website in this situation."

-Lopifalko (talk)

From the same page:

best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply

Also, the page is a guideline, not a policy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

So, what about this particular instance indicates to you that it should stay, given common sense or an exception? To me the wording I quote above gives ample reason to remove it. -Lopifalko (talk)

Somerset Scheduled Monuments lists

Thanks for your helpful comments on Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Scheduled Monuments in South Somerset/archive1 which has now been promoted. I've now nominated List of Scheduled Monuments in North Somerset at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Scheduled Monuments in North Somerset/archive1 and would be grateful for any comments you might have. As you may know there is a discussion about the column widths etc on these lists at Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates#Column widths in table layout. Thanks for any input.— Rod talk 21:19, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

7 January 2015

Hi Andy

Thanks for the workshop! Vanleeuwenjones (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/ebook/978-0-85404-279-1#!divrelatedcontent Vanleeuwenjones (talk) 12:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Just telling you something in this message. AnnikaGrandison (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Remember: no fruit!

Hello.Kswiltshire (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Andy

Thank you for the training. Isobel1788 (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Hi Andy, Cheers for the training! Gardav05 (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Hello Andy, thank you for the training! Etcstephen (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Here is a sentence in this section. Mewtopia (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for the Wikipedia training! Keeera (talk) 14:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for your help. Hallowesa (talk) 14:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Can I buy you a beer? Sciencegirl87 (talk) 14:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC) @Sciencegirl87:

Yes! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Andy, nice to meet you. MMacLeod13 (talk) 14:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Where's my hoverboard?TheMikrobe (talk) 14:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for your help. Hallowesa (talk) 14:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Aloha

I ain't afraid of no ghosts. JessB2015 (talk) 14:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Thanks for the training. Hannahfrankland (talk) 14:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Andy

Hi Andy, thanks for the training session! Burgerhead (talk) 14:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Prager University

Since you participated in WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 December 31#Template:PragerU, you are also invited to weigh in at WP:ELN#Linking to Prager University, as the discussion has moved there. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks a lot Pigsonthewing for your announcement on AR Wiki; Regards. --Sami Lab (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Sami Lab: You're welcome! Please translate it (but bear in mind the RSC resources are in English). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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14 January 2015

Test

Hello Andy. Spryh (talk) 11:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello!!

Hi Andy, how are you? Nicholsonk1 (talk) 11:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Andy Fiendishether (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello pigsonthewing. Can I buy you a beer? Jmorganmay (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Andy! Thanks for the training. Rorieborealis (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

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Test message

Can I buy you a grapefruit? I like grapefruits.

Antonia Verona (talk) 11:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Hi - this session is very interesting

Hello

Hello Andy! Meharryj (talk) 14:47, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Andy! Ginahewitt (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Andy! Theo McGowan (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Howdy

Hi Andy, how are you?SmallColes (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Andy how are you today? Rozzie111 (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello there Andy.

Hi Andy. Awesome beard by the way. Thanks for all the wikipedia info! DrJWoolf (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Good afternoon

Thanks for the session on 14th Jan, very helpful so far! BRValsler (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi there

You'd like to buy me a beer. Well yes please, that'd be very nice! Ciansi (talk) 14:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Your edit of my comment

[14]. Please explain. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 07:08, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello? I would very much like to know why you meddled with my WT:AT comment. If you gave an explanation somewhere, I missed it, and as far as I can tell, your edit did nothing useful or helpful. Please do correct me if I’m wrong. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Andy? —174.141.182.82 (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Well then… please never touch my Talk-space contributions again. Ever. At all. If a problem does arise, you are more than welcome on my Talk page, but please keep your metaphorical hands to yourself. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 19:30, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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