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Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
See also [1]. Voceditenore (talk) 10:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It was a delight...[edit] read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciation[edit]

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? CactusWriter | needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance Please[edit]

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)[edit]

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [2], [3], [4], [5]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Travesti/Victorian burlesque[edit]

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Keto and Kote[edit]

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Castrato parts[edit]

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for watching the dead links. It's a big shame that the PeoplePlayUK site went down, as it had a huge amount of info for Victorian articles. I think that most of the content migrated somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Any idea? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, the only dead link was PeoplePlayUK. The other 2 were spam/copyvio. Anyhow, the Theatre Museum's contents are now held by the Victoria & Albert. See the V & A's Theatre and Performance collections page. If you search the V & A collections, the online objects generally come with a lot of informative text in addition to the image. See this, for example. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


I have finished my work on this. The peer review threw up some interesting suggestions, many of which have been absorbed into the article. It is now at FAC (please take a look), and I am working on improving and extending the discography subarticle. I have not done anything with the "adaptations" which were removed from the older version of the article, and it may be a while before I can get to deciding what should be done here. Brianboulton (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting it to FA, Brian! I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to help with an "adaptations" page anyway. One of the advantages of page like that is to keep all sorts of minor (and often very trivial) distractions out of the main article. A popular work like this is particularly prone to that kind of stuff, often added "drive-by" without references or context. But let's see how it goes. There may not be a need for an "adaptations", at least in the near future. By the way, can you get the Carmen Filmography link to work? I can't and have tried multiple times. :/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I will continue improving the discography article as time permits. In due course I'll open a rudimentary "adaptations" article for the purpose you describe; it won't be long before the trivia merchants start tampering with the main article. It went through the FAC process so smoothly and swiftly that I can't help an uneasy feeling that something important got missed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian updates website![edit]

Hi Voceditenore! The Smithsonian Institution Archives took notice of your finding about Clara Hasse's death date and will be updating their records, website and Flickr! The changes should take place tomorrow. So thanks for the great find! Sarah (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. It's nice to see that the traffic between Wikipedia and its sources goes both ways. Last year I got the Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings at UCSB to change a glaring error on their database which found while I was researching Stanislao Gastaldon. In the process, I discovered another and even more whopping error in New Grove Dictionary of Opera which had been propagated all over the internet, but that's Grove's problem. OK, now I'm off to give the Harvard library system a nudge over this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


Apologies if this is in the wrong place (finding out how to contribute to Wikipedia is a very steep learning curve and I've only just learnt Joomla, brain hurting!). Huge thanks for the rewriting and reformatting of the article on Dove's Tobias and the Angel. I'd only just discovered it was there and found it was so incomplete and inaccurate it needed some serious input. Having been in the project from the very beginning I felt I had the authority to write on it, and did post some material from my website - hadn't realised this seems to count as conflict of interest. But it certainly doesn't violate copyright which presumably belongs to me, and I'd like to be able to insert a photo of the Birmingham production, would this be allowed? I'd be very grateful if you had time to help me on this. Kate Quartano Brown (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Little favour[edit]

A while back I did some work de-fluffing Richard Gombrich. I think it still needs some more, but I have a little learning to the most dangerous degree and can't really see the wood for the trees. I'm pretty sure the structure is still hagiographic. May I ask if you could do a quick brisk hacking back of the undergrowth? Am pretty sure that the list of publications goes way beyond the notable, too. Amuse yourself by reading how it looked five years ago almost-instinct 12:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks[edit]

I'm grateful for your clear explanation and kind welcome on my first interaction with Wikipedia. The format here is slightly intimidating and I'm wary of breaking taboos or upsetting anyone so your breakdown and reassurance was greatly appreciated. :-)

SonnySonnyWilliamson (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanna Gray[edit]

DYK gong archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say, nice job on the Giovanna Gray article. Going to the old, foreign language sources is something not everyone can do, and it makes a big difference. (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, David. I had a lot fun writing that. Most of the articles I write tend to be of this type, e.g., Cristina, regina di Svezia, Mala Pasqua!, Stanislao Gastaldon, Andrea Salvadori, Eugenia Tadolini. I figure that for the really famous composers, operas, singers, etc. there are plenty of online sources, but for these, the only place people will be able to find detailed information, in English, and free of charge is Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


What do you think of this image, which also covers an opera singer without photo? Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It's OK, but I'd never use it for Lillian Grenville. The one of her alone will be much better for that article. It's also a much more arresting image than this rather stilted duo. But this one would be good for Gustave Huberdeau and Natoma (kills 2 birds with one stone for that article). Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Here are some more possibilities for articles and future articles with no images:

The Bain collection is very badly annotated, I'm just plowing slowly through all the images and clicking on ones that likely to be opera singers. I may find some more...

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Any idea which Stephano the Jacoby is? Niklausse is almost certainly Tales of Hoffmann, but I'm not sure off-hand about a Stephano trousers role. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I assume Roméo et Juliette she sang it many times at the Met at around the time that picture was taken [6], and her career was almost entirely at the Met. Voceditenore (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thought that would've been too high for her, since Wikipedia labels it as a soprano part. If she sang it, though, it's probably that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The Met lists her as a mezzo-soprano (rather than contralto), and the role is frequently sung and recorded by mezzos, e.g. Kristine Jepson, Susan Graham, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Rosine Stoltz[edit]

Some time ago, you started the article on Rosine Stoltz. There is now a discussion about the date of her death. I wonder if you could consult your original sources and let us know. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Rosine Stoltz. Voceditenore (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de Clignancourt[edit]

A most pleasing new article. I'll add the church to my itinerary for a vaguely-planned, Fauré-themed wander round Paris. Don't bother to reply to this: I just wanted to express my appreciation. – Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Di Fiorino et al.[edit]

Ciao Voce. I hope this finds you well. Our paths once again cross in Mario Di Fiorino, and I notice your work in Gruppo del Rosario. There is a connection between Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry, the closely connected, newly created bios Maria Luisa Figueira and Mario Di Fiorino, as well as edits made by the same users in e.g. Davide Lazzeretti, Leonetto Amadei, Ganser syndrome, and Mind control. I reverted in Leonetto Amadei, and left a note on the editor's page, and subsequently tried to add info from the .it article Leonetto Amadei. (It appears that the Italian Leonette Amadei has had additions similar to the ones made to the English.) The English version has had the same material re-added. I restored an older version of Davide Lazzeretti. I have raised attention about this pattern (WP:COATRACK?) on WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Psycholog, alas, not to much avail. Maybe it is something you would like to look into? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 21:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sam, hmmm, yes, I've noticed this interesting little can of worms. On the Italian WP, some of their stuff has been deleted outright, e.g. Mario di Fiorino, Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and Psichiatria e Territorio (also founded by Di Fiorino) or reverted in existing articles, e.g. Leonetto Amadei, Davide Lazzeretti. Often, however, a "new" editor pops up to re-add the stuff, as happens here. The editors also use the same arguments they use here: "It's in the Italian/English Wikipedia so it's ok".
Several of the SPAs active here have been blocked for sockpuppetry at the Italian WP [7], [8], [9]. I'm not sure if they're sock or meat puppets, but without getting into outing, Google searches on their user names reveal that all are from the Pisa/Forte dei Marmi/Viareggio area. A couple are students of Di Fiorino or his colleagues, one works for a hotel in Forte dei Marmi and helps organize functions for Di Fiorino's symposia, two have co-authored articles with Di Fiorino, one appears to be Di Fiorino himself, etc. etc. I would say that just about every red-linked contributor since August to the articles you've cited is in some way connected to Di Fiorino and all their contributions here need checking. Some of them have extensively edited psychology/psychiatry articles in addition to the ones you've mentioned. Note also this sandbox. There's obviously more to come.
Anyhow, here's my take on some of the articles:
If we meet resistance from the "consortium" of Tuscan editors, then we take 'em to WP:COI/N. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Beautiful to see the logic you apply when investigating, I learned a lot. Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor Sing 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Want me to do {{cite books}} in the Publications section of Mario Di Fiorino? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 09:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Sylvia Shwartz[edit]

I looked at the edit dated 20th Feb, and it was essentially the same as the Amazon review, so no copyright infringement. I'm unconvinced that it is ready for submission yet, given the generally hagiographic tone, eg She is the latest of her family to achieve international renown. followed by sections of her family's achievement (notability is not inheritable, so no real point to this), Miss Schartz instead of just the surname, "Career highlights" rather than "Career". Shall I recreate in Lisaby's sandbox? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jim, I answered over at the AfC Help Desk where I suggested moving to User:Lisaby/Sylvia Schwartz (a previous redirect to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sylvia Schwartz). It sounds like it needs a good going over for style and tone as well as referencing and I'll try to help the editor with it before they submit it again. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Caldara +[edit]

Thank you for the Caldara opera, here's another: La concordia de' pianeti [10], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. You're welcome :). I've added quite a bit more to it now. Apparently, Tito e Berenice was part of contest! I might do La concordia once the German performance actually takes place. In the meantime, I'll be working on creating the other two Operas of the Month, by papa Scarlatti and his son. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. After I closed my shop completely (see my talk, - I kept the ironing lady) I suddenly feel very busy with a man whose boss is the pope and a painter stub, not mentioning the GA nom for Chéreau. Did you see that I mention singing as occupation in my own (bzzt, unspeakable)? (Derived from "Singen, singen" in the Christmas Story by Schütz). In choir, we will concentrate on Schütz and Rutter, Magnificat by both, I hope I will get in the mood until July / October / November. Certainly not if we keep losing a great editor every week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

*taps microphone*[edit]

Is it safe to come back....? almost-instinct 15:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep :) Great to see you, A-I! I miss those happy hours we spent de-pufferizing articles. I had to whack this one all by myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm maybe not so safe after all.... almost-instinct 13:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, you mean below? I think you'll be OK SMirC-smile.svg. I only mention it if I'm specifically asked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
It's not you I'm worried about ;) almost-instinct 11:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Anna Schoen-René[edit]

Hi voceditenore. I just read some interesting articles on this lady and thought you might enjoy penning an article on her. Here are some potential sources:

Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! She sounds like quite a character, 4meter4. I'm sort of up to my eyeballs at the moment, but I'll keep this here to remind me to get 'round to it eventually, if someone else doesn't first. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Sharon Ruchman[edit]

Thanks for your recent cleanup/removing promotional/un-encyclopedic information from Sharon Ruchman. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi David. I'm away until the end of April, but I'm rather minded to PROD it or take it to AfD. But I'll need to do a little research first. I had a look at the talk page of the reviewer who had accepted it. Dear Oh Dear. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Review of new article[edit]

Hi, I've created a new article, except that this time I've achieved as much in four days as I did in six weeks. Also, I have chosen a subject for which it is much easier to prove notability. When I created the page it seemed to go immediately into article space, so I'm hoping to avoid the AfC route. Would you have time to review Northern Lights (song), please, and give me the benefit of your opinion on it? Hopefully, there aren't any silly mistakes like disambiguations this time. In particular, could you check the way I am loading the images, please? Do I need to do more to create a fair use rationale? Thankyou. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 14:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


Hey, thanks. Some of the articles on Gluck's major operas need more work, but I'm probably not going to touch them until next year. I thought I'd produce a bunch of stubs on the Baroque and minor Classical works then add to them bit by bit. I noticed you discovered the Gluck Gesamtausgabe online, a very useful find. Some of the information is very interesting. For example, I don't think there can be many operas where the entire cast was made up of archduchesses and the work was conducted by a future emperor.

BTW I think La danza (Gluck) is beyond start-class, at least C. There's not much you can really say about an opera Julian Rushton dismisses as "a slight work". The Penguin Guide to Opera on CD doesn't even bother trying to give synopsis, saying there is "no plot or development whatsoever." Having read the libretto, I can sympathise with that! Cheers.--Folantin (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on Leela Bordia[edit]


I have made some further inputs to the said Article on Leela Bordia. Please have a look at it and give me your suggestions on whether i am on the right path and plz guide regarding corrections if any, since i am just a beginner.


The iWriter ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by The iWriter (talkcontribs) 12:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, The iWriter. I assume you mean the draft User:The iWriter/sandbox? I'll have a look at it later today or tomorrow. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore

Yes plz and thanks

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Arunachal Pradesh Public Service Commission[edit]

I'm not convinced this article should even exist. It starts with a statement about the commission's function which only mentions part of its role, it's got a minor controversy that doesn't seem to belong, it lists too many officers, and doesn't even show notability. I guess we could stub it. Any suggetions? Dougweller (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Doug. I was just concerned to get the copyvio out. But I agree with you about the article. Its notability is pretty marginal. I think stubbing for now to the bare facts, and removing all the names apart would be the way to go. Ditto the image of the chairman. I may have to open a CCI for the creator, User:Donyi Taga, if they've created any more articles. See also this incident yesterday involving one of his socks. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Done. And rev/deleted the copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Longy/Berklee Autumn 2014[edit]

Really, you're too good to us![edit]

Thank you, dear VdiT, for your kind offer of assistance. We accept. Going online tonight, hoping to solicit your counsel, I had no idea that you'd have beat me to the punch! My students and I appreciate your interest and your help. Happy autumn! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up[edit]

Thanks, VdiT, for your heads-up. Computer issues kept me signed out, and I only saw your message today. I'm passing it along. Hope you're well. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting our pages[edit]

Dear VdiT, Thanks for visiting the pages of both the Longy and Berklee classes. The students and I appreciated the care and concern that you have already shown us this autumn. Hoping you're well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


Hello Voceditenore,

I hope I am using your talk page correctly-- I am just getting started and this is the first post I am writing on wikipedia. Thank you for your warm welcome to the community and the resources you've sent my way. I really appreciate it and may be in touch to ask questions!

Best, Keacord (talk) 23:16, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Keacord! You did fine. Ask away, whenever you need to. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Any Ideas?[edit]

Hello! Thank you for all you do. I need to write an article based around classical music. Something, someone, somewhere, some time, that needs a wiki article. Any ideas? Snaudrey (talk) 03:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Snaudrey! I've moved your message here to the bottom of the page—the wiki way. :-) Will visit your talk page later today with some ideas. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Any ideas?[edit]

Hello! thank you for all you do! I need to write a wiki article which revolves around classical music. Someone, something, somewhere, or some time, that needs a page. Any ideas? Snaudrey (talk) 06:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

great list![edit]

thank you so much for that list. I had an idea going through it, and I wanted to run it past you and see what you think. What if I did my article on you. Not specifically who you are, but what you do, since when, why, maybe a bit of background, you deserve a page! what do you think? Snaudrey (talk) 07:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Yikes, Snaudrey! I'm not even a notable Wikipedian, let alone a notable person in real life. So no, that is totally not feasible SMirC-smile.svg. Have you thought about doing a biography of Georges Longy? I think it's awful that his name is still red-linked. I'll leave you some sources on your talk page in case you're interested in pursuing that. If not, you can share them with any of your classmates who might be interested. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

okay, okay[edit]

Alright, I see what you are saying. it was just a fleeting idea of a moment, although I will say you are way too modest. As for your suggestion about Longy, my colleague is already in the process of making his page, so it is getting done. I will send him the information you sent me. And thank you so much for the list, I am slowly chipping away to see what I will choose to fill a gap. How fun is this! Snaudrey (talk) 06:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for your help--I was trying desperately to figure out how to add categories! Suddenly, they appeared, and I checked the edit history and confirmed my suspicions you had swooped in. Anyway, I gave it my best shot for now. Have a good day or night, wherever you are! Keacord (talk) 05:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks from your Longy fans[edit]

Dear VdiT, When we went over our pages in class this morning, we had the impression that you'd lavished an immense amount of time, attention, and care on our work. Thank you very much. And, as we're all saying over here this week, Happy Thanksgiving! Yours,Ijmusic (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

help with article[edit]

Hello! A thousand apologies for posting my article twice, not completely sure how that happened. I am here to ask for your help on what I can do to remedy the violations on my article on Joaquin Turina. I have some ideas on how to fix it;

  • I can go through and put quotations around the copied text. I know the information is sound because the website it comes from has an extensive and well cited bibliography.
  • I can go through and paraphrase the text, writing my own version of the information.

What do you think? Any other suggestions? I will do whatever I have to do to successfully post my article. Class was wonderful today going through everyone's articles. Thank you for the guidance! What an adventure! Snaudrey (talk) 17:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Snaudrey! I've left some preliminary guidance on your talk page. More tomorrow. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Hi! Thank you for correcting my article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ting Ying (talkcontribs) 03:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC) Oh!! I forgot to sign my posts...I am sorry about that! Thanks again!!!Ting Ying (talk) 04:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Ting Ying SMirC-smile.svg. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

What's going on?[edit]

Hello. We talked a while ago about my creating an article for Tom Alonso's Phantom of the Opera. You emphasized the importance of finding published sources and I have done everything I can to do so. There is now only one section in the article without reputable references and it is the same length as one section of another student's article, which is already published and presumably fine. My article is now at Draft:Phantom of the Opera (1992 musical)... and it's been completely static since a week ago. Is this normal for an AfC article? Is there any way I can get it published any sooner, or possibly get some feedback before publication? Thanks --Miriam.Ela.Malt (talk) 16:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Miriam. Sorry my reply is a bit late late. I've been in the US for Thanksgiving and only got back to London yesterday. I'll have a close look at your draft tomorrow morning, give you some feedback, and explain your options. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Voceditenore![edit]

I'm a student of the vision of music's future class by Ijmusic. I apologize for my late answer about your greetings. I want to make a new article about the album titled "People Time: The Complete Recordings and I want you to recommend me your any ideas. I have a sandbox and I put some of the information to sandbox. I will appreciate if you take a look at my sand box and give me any comments. In my own opinion, I have two questions. First is I want to shorten the space during all of the song titles. If I put one enter, It doesn't have one line down, but indicated on the same line. So after I put enter twice the next song title goes down but it have too broad space I think. Do you know how can I make a narrow and nice line change? And the other question is, like any other album articles, I want to make a project album banner that contains information about album. So I join to WikiProject Albums member, and tried to put the banner with my own information but it showed an odd banner instead of clear album information. Do you know how can I put the edit correctly? Thanks again your kindness and I will wait your answer. Myeonghanyu (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

It's me again! I fixed the two my questions! Myeonghanyu (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello from Kristinmask[edit]

I beg a moment of your time. I'm in Ijmusic's Berklee Visions of Music's Future course, and I would love your opinion on my proposed article. It's a work in progress and I'm aware that my subject is probably not relevant enough to warrant a full wikipedia article. That being said, I've tried create a solid presentation regardless. It's my first Wikipedia article and needs criticism so, if you have time, please check it out. Sincere thanks.

My Sandbox Link[[11]]

Kristinmask (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the input! I will get to work on improving those aspects and get back to you later. Sincerely, Kristinmask (talk) 21:38, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello again, I've made a number of modifications per your advice. Once again I would greatly appreciate your opinion of the updates. Thanks, Kristinmask (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
My Sandbox again [[12]]

again, you shine a light[edit]

Thank you for your advice! I have done as you said, to the best of my ability. Is it alright if I edit the Joaquin Turina page again with my new version? Would you like to see it first? Snaudrey (talk) 00:41, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, again[edit]

Thank you again, dear VdiT, for helping my students so generously. Your compendious knowledge continues to dazzle me, as do your worthy and specific suggestions for improvements. You enable us all to excel. Gratefully yours, Ijmusic (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Please help[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rinaelyse (talkcontribs) 23:03, 15 December 2014

Happy New Year, dear Voce di tenore![edit]

Thank you for helping us! ij

Hi IJ! My pleasure and a very Happy New Year to you and your students. I think I still have a few students/drafts from the autumn semester that I need to check. I hope to get to those when I get back to London on January 8th. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Ada Cherry Kearton[edit]

You may remember doing some work on Ada Cherry Kearton. I thought you would like to now that the BBC now link to it, from - Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Andy. Thanks for letting me know. By the way, I haven't forgotten about David Ward, I've just been a bit busy with other stuff. I hope to get to it in the New Year. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Library Accounts Now Available (December 2014)[edit]

Seasons greetings[edit]

A belated Merry Christmas! --Folantin (talk) 13:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

When you come back...[edit]

Hi Voce. No frills - just a quiet ‘’all the best’’ to you for 2015 and I hope you’ll continue to be around on Wikipedia for a long time to come. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung. A very happy new year to you too! I'm back on January 8th. I have a wonderful but neglected baritone (or two) to write about. Hee Hee. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:56, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

A new article[edit]

Hello there, Voce! I have a new request for you: Susan Allen, a harpist, associate dean at CalArts. Is she notable in the music scene or just per WP:ACADEMIC? Regards and happy new year! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS! I'm travelling at the moment, but will get to this as soon as I get back on 8 January. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:47, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi FoCuS. I'm back! I had a look at the article. I would say that she's much more notable as a musician than as an academic. She has recordings with several notable labels, has premiered works by reasonable notable composers, plus reviews in notable publications. "Associate Dean" is not a very high academic position, especially in such a small institution, and her academic publications are not widely cited. However, I'm sure it will survive fine in article space based on WP:MUSICBIO. One thing I would remove, is the alleged quote from La Nouvelle Republique (which seems to appear as a cherry-picked quote only on her website/official bios), unless you can source it to the original publication with full bibliographic information. I searched the newspaper's site, and all I could find was the concert announcement. It doesn't mean the review doesn't exist, but better not to use it, if the only source is her website. If you want to use quotes about her performances, best to use material from some of the other reviews you've cited, e.g. NY Times. Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help! Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Did you have an opportunity to look at the draft? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 03:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 9[edit]


Minor post[edit]

New requests for page protection are supposed to be placed at the top, little Tenore. I know, all the noticeboards have their own ideas, right? (I've semi'd the article for two weeks.) Moi, je suis Charlie aussi. Bishonen | talk 10:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC).

Thanks, Bish! It had been at the top, but since yesterday more requests were added and mine kept moving down, lonely and ignored. Sniff SMirC-sad.svg. I can't understand what's going on at the article. The latest IP has been changing information which the other IP (in the same range, with equally execrable English) had initially added and which is confirmed on her own website, i.e. IP now claiming she was born in Toronto when she and everyone else say Tehran and that her father was the neurosurgeon Majid Samii when she and everyone else say he was the eye surgeon Hossein Samii (a relative of the former). Good grief! Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Samira Samii[edit]

This is getting out of hand. ANI or SPI? Vrac (talk) 16:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Vrac. Yes, it is. I suggest ANI if it happens again. We'll get a lot quicker action. I'm going to leave a final warning on the miscreant's talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Single purpose account?[edit]

See my post here and please offer your opinion if available. Is a rollback admissible in those circumstances? Thanks again, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. I see Bishonen nipped in with some very good advice, just what I would have said. I've also left an explanatory note on the editor's talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:49, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Darren Jeffery[edit]

If this is worth referencing and fixing, could you either do it or tell me? DGG ( talk ) 03:43, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi DGG. He's probably notable enough, albeit still with a second-tier career. I've started cleaning up (truncating considerably) and referencing it. I'll move it myself when it's done. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:01, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
thanks. I think it is always a good aide to consult someone with a feel for the subject & enough background to know what is likely to be important, as I consult you, before doing extensive work on something like this. DGG ( talk ) 08:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


[14] The user seems to be trying to get in touch with you. Could you take a look please? - NQ (talk) 15:33, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi NQ. Thanks for letting me know. Quite mystifying but the person sounds very distressed. Without the name of the article, there's not much we can do, and I can't recall any article that fits this description that I've edited recently. Anyhow I left a message on their talk page and also suggested they contact OTRS volunteers if they're worried about revealing the name of the article on-wiki. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I was about to leave a message on their talk, but thought you might have a better understanding of what they were referring to. - NQ (talk) 04:28, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:San Francisco Opera world premieres[edit]

Category:San Francisco Opera world premieres, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Smerus (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Gosh! I don't even remember creating it. Anyhow, I've nipped over with my 2¢. Voceditenore (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Amleto again.......[edit]

I don't know if you've seen the latest comments by Anthony Barese, the conductor of the October 2014 rival by OperaSouthwest? Anyway, after he re-added the third column, I reverted it, and he has responded on Talk:Amleto. I trust that 2015 is going well..... Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 01:00, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


The conversation below has been removed from my user page to here, where it belongs. Voceditenore (talk) 08:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Hey there : Voceditenore, not sure how this thing works, but you wrote on my (tiny) user page, and I don't know where I'm supposed to respond. It seems like other editors (Viva-Verdi in particular) aren't necessarily in disagreement with the idea that there should be a third column. You seem to be the holdout on that one. I look forward to discussing this with you on the talk page where I have stated my case. - tonybarrese talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybarrese (talkcontribs) 04:09, 23 January 2015‎

From your arguments and those of Michael B, I'm not in favour of seeing a third column with all those totally unknown names appearing in it. While being an important revival, this opera is no more worthy than most of the other post-1950s bel canto revivals where we'd need to try to create full role tables. Viva-Verdi (talk) 04:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Viva-Verdi, I began on the talk page, but it doesn't look like anyone wants to discuss it there. I've made several points specific to the piece as to why it constitutes a "significant revision." I am not opposed to putting them in the article somewhere, but I am unsure how to reference them, as they are the result of studying the autograph manuscript. That is, there are no articles or sites that I can even reference. I agree that there is no need to list every single person involved in the premiere, but the "unknown names" of a theoretical third column are no more unknown in the history of opera than most of the cast from the premiere and the 1871 la Scala production. Before I go any further though, maybe we should just take this over to the talk page and not muddy up Voceditenore's page (sorry voceditenore!) - tonybarrese — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonybarrese (talkcontribs) 04:53, 23 January 2015‎
Tony, I wrote on your talk page, not your user page. Comments from other editors never go on an editor's user page. And yes, this conversation rightly belongs at the article talk page. Incidentally you cannot assume that no one is interested in discussing the issue there because you didn't get an instant reply. This is an international project, with editors in very different time-zones. One of the editors there is in Australia, and I'm in the UK