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2009 in aviation

I not you've been adding references. These are not strictly necessary where there is an article on the event, but adding them is not wrong. I notice you are adding bare urls. Are you familiar with {{cite web}}? It looks a bit complicated but can be pared down to url, title, publisher and accessdate at a minimum. Mjroots (talk) 17:10, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

• Hmmm...didn't know of that policy about criteria for references. And I generally use only bare URLs for references, no ones commented on that before, but if using {{cite web}} is better than I'll start using that. Thanks. :) C628 (talk) 17:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

A bare url for a reference is better than no reference at all, but {{cite web}} is preferred. Mjroots (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Wytheville hostage incident

The article Wytheville hostage incident has been proposed for deletion. The proposed-deletion notice added to the article should explain why.

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• I just posted something on that article's discussion page, outlined a few reasons for keeping it. If you could look at that and let me know what you thing, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. C628 (talk) 16:24, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

I responded on the talk page of the article. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:30, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Wytheville hostage incident

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is Wytheville hostage incident. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

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Singapore Airlines Fleet

Thanks for making that update!!! SinSQ800-805 on Singapore Airlines 16:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SinSQ800-805 (talk • contribs)

No problem. Glad to help. C628 (talk) 17:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

fyi

Taking it here, as you seemed to be reacting personally. I'm not sure you've looked at it, but wp:othercrapexists under "Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions" is something that probably both of us are familiar with, which is why it wasn't mentioned no doubt. I'm not attacking you. I'm just referring to the issues.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my reaction seemed out of hand, and I have read wp:othercrapexists, but regardless, I feel that in this case, since the article in question was so similar to the ones I noted, they provided sufficient precedent to be a constructive addition to the debate. I still stand by my statement that I'm not trying to get deeply involved in this discussion. I only wanted to help, and I apologize if my statements were taken any other way. C628 (talk) 22:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I moved the conversation here because I wanted to make it less personal, since I sense you were taking it that way. I don't understand whether you are saying that you don't like the wp:othercrapexists guidance? Or that you feel in some way the facts here are distinguishable. From what I can see, it is spot-on. The concept of precedent on wikipedia is not as you suggest that if you can find "sufficient precedent" your point is a valid one. That is an approach in the legal systems of many Western countries. But it's not the wikipedia approach. For the reasons that the guidance states.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. I don't want to be drawn into this debate anymore, if my suggestions are to be ignored. I'll go back to more constructive tasks at hand. C628 (talk) 23:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I only took the time to write you and address what you said in lieu of ignoring you.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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2010 St. Louis factory shootings

Greetings. I just wanted to draw your attention to Wikipedia:NOT#NEWS. I think shootings tend to be considered notable, but be careful not to make the article sound like a news report. Regards, PDCook (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I was told earlier that articles tended to be considered notable if they led to deaths, so I felt it appropriate to create an article about this. C628 (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I redirected this page to another its clone at ABB Power plant shooting (2010). I live in within a few miles of the shooters house so maybe I could get a picture. username 1 (talk) 18:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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Disturbed's fifth studio album

Thank you for re-directing "Fifth studio album" to Disturbed's fifth studio album, I was just so busy trying to get the article to a good start. :)

No problem. It looks like a good article, nice work. C628 (talk) 19:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

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Vandalism is part of the solution, not the problem :-)

Hello, thanks for the credits about elephant gun. I am from Germany and checked out that site in English because the German wikipedia doesn't have an article about such weaponry and I made a stupid bet with a friend about it. And I immediately doubted that it is, in fact, a "dumbassed piece of garbage". So thanks for the support, vandalism has it origin in Germany (at least the word) but in this case it was its counterpart. --91.23.44.240 (talk) 22:09, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

ALCO FA-2/FB-2 Production Dates

See R. Craig Rutherford's FA-2/FB-2 production dates on his The Diesel Shop webpage. They are right out of Extra 2200 South. See Extra 2200 South Issue 33 March/April 1972 pages 26-27 "Alco FA-FB Tally" The first units built were sets for B&O and Erie in October 1950. The demonstrators were built in November. Steinbrenner got it wrong. If you want a real challenge try separating the FPA-2s from the FA-2s and the FPB-2s from the FB-2s. I've tried and still can't get the counts right.--SSW9389 15:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

http://www.thedieselshop.us/Erie.HTML states Erie FA-2 and FB-2s were the first built. R. Craig Rutherford's book Running in the Shadows is all about Alco FAs. He should know which ones were built first. --SSW9389 21:49, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I'll use The Diesel Shop as a reference for the dates of first production in the article. C628 (talk) 01:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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Burlington INTL Airport (AirTran)

Well I am not sure if this is where I respond to this? ( I am new to Wikipedia in terms of editing and all this behind the scene stuff.) Anyways, I put in that little piece on AirTran because I didn't know any other way to show that AirTran did not actually serve BTV despite what the website states. Sorry about the Signature as well. --BTVB6Flyer (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, you got it right. And you did the right thing in terms of the AirTran part; I just fixed a few grammar bits, no big deal. And don't worry about the signature, no one's going to get annoyed with a little thing like that. Anyway, hope you decide to stick around here; it's always good to have more people. C628 (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Bread

You edited the article bread on 8 February 17:09 and the Bibliography section heading is not formatted properly as you will see. There are also words such as this: Insert non-formatted text here<span class="wikiEditor-tab"></span>. Thanks 211.30.25.34 (talk) 06:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done Not sure if that was my fault, but fixed anyway. Thanks. C628 (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Pancho watch

Just to say thanks for keeping a keen eye on the Pancho Campo article, and the actions of the hitherto single-purpose-editor who persists in chopping out the uncomfortable bit. I believe firmly the article stays WP:BLP-wise within a fair report of the RS, and it would be a shame if people who for some reason don't like it could just have it their way. Cheers, MURGH ^disc. 16:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. It's always good to know there's someone behind me, and I'm glad we agree with regards to the deletions of the controversial part. Thanks again, C628 (talk) 17:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Our friend Sigmahardware (talk · contribs) prodded the article, but I contested the prod when I saw the page history and your note on the talk page. I left a note on his/her talk page politely informing him/her of the AfD process with the caution that speedy keep will apply if the nomination is solely an attempt to resolve the editing dispute. Also note that Sigmahardware blanked all warnings on his/her talk page, which I believe went up to {{uw-vand3}}. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 17:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. I saw they blanked the page (which did go up to level 3), but I didn't know they PROD'ed the page. Thanks for the heads-up. C628 (talk) 17:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I've never quite seen this approach before. Appears he feels Wikipedia is a bigger problem than Decanter or INTERPOL. MURGH ^disc. 19:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

over-speedy tagging

Please give articles like Imam Baksh Nasikh a chance to develop. DGG ( talk ) 05:16, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

When I tagged it, the article consisted of a single line of text saying "One of the greatest poets of Lucknow." I thought that was sufficient to tag for deletion, particularly as it had not been changed for nearly 20 minutes (which was obviously irrelevant, as it was rewritten a couple minutes later). I was obviously wrong there, but I did have my reasons. C628 (talk) 12:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I recognize you were not acting wantonly. I and everyone else active at CSD have made similar mistakes. One way to avoid some of them is to check if sources are in fact available, but this requires a judgement on how hard to look, and I agree the general topic area is not one that inspires confidence. I left a message for the editor explaining the advisability of putting in at least one reference to start out with. The danger is not in losing the article, which can always be rewritten; the danger is in losing the contributor, who if rebuffed initially, may never return. Probably the real way of dealing with it will be to adopt one of the many proposals to postpone speedy of incomplete articles. DGG ( talk ) 17:32, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Whatcom Volunteer Center relisting

I have relisted the above AfD as references were added to the article within the last day. I am contacting all editors who have commented at the discussion, to allow them the opportunity to look at the latest version of the article, and if necessary to change their !vote.

I have no opinion on the matter, I am merely letting everyone know! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey!

About your new page patrol, while I like what you're doing, i feel that maybe you should use Twinkle. Is that ok with you? It would be a little easier. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I've thought about it, but it seems sort of complicated, and doing everything manually has been working just fine so far. If you think it'd work better, I might try it out a bit; see how it works. Thanks, C628 (talk) 11:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Carolinian and Piedmont

Hi there. I'm thinking about splitting up Carolinian and Piedmont into separate articles; would you care to weigh in at Talk:Carolinian and Piedmont? Cheers, Mackensen (talk) 01:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course; already done. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:26, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The Final Frontier World Tour

Hello, I hope I am contacting you the right way, I'm not an expert user of this site. I removed a bunch of references because only authorized and confirmed tour dates come from www.ironmaiden.com, not other websites. There is no need for references on any other tour date, so why those?

What modified locations are you referring to? Everything comes from www.ironmaiden.com, as I said. I'm not sure who you are, or why you're speaking to me in such an authoritative manner, it's just a tour date page on a reference site. Are you some sort of moderator here? If not, who says you get to decide what's on this page and not anyone else? I don't mean to be so combative here, but I'm wondering where your authority stems from. All this coming from a ninth-grader? I wouldn't be this hard up about references and such on a webpage, I'm sure no one gives a dman but you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maideneer (talk • contribs) 19:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, you got to the right place. The edits I was referring to were your adding a location at Calgary, and removing one at Ottawa, both without sources for doing so. As for the references stuff, all of those dates do come from the Iron Maiden website, largely per their original announcement here. The remainder, the three you removed the references for, were announced after Iron Maiden released that press release, and in fact came from the Iron Maiden website itself, through additional press releases here, here, and here. If you have equivalent sources for the modifications you made to the two dates I mentioned, please add them in. I have no more authority here than you, we're all equal. I'm certainly not the only person who decides what gets to be on the article; the only reason for my edits was that I thought your changes detracted from the article. Finally, I'm sorry if my tone appeared combative or authoritative; it was not my intent at all. C628 (talk) 21:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica merger

While the agreement was reached on 28 April, it was set to be implemented & the transition period to begin starting 1 May. Therein lies the confusion, it appears. Cheers!Larasister (talk) 02:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense to me. D'you mind if I further tweak the bit in the article, something along the lines of "...fully completed acquisition of Air Jamaica on 28 April, 2010, with the merger taking effect on 1 May. A 6-12 month transition period is expected to follow?" Cheers, C628 (talk) 10:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Fine by me! Cheers. Larasister (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC).

Editor review

Hello, C628! I have reviewed you. Any questions or comments can be left here, there, or on my talk page. Happy editing! PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 01:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

As did I. Leave your questions/comments on my tp. Homework2 ^TalkWhat I do! 02:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar!

I'm trying to focus on content work these days, but I've often become sidetracked too, so it's nice to know that someone's noticed. Thanks again, —fetch·comms 01:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for revising the Springfield, Illinois (Amtrak station) article. As you probably know, the news of the depot's renovation is only 48 hours old, and as I follow this depot I was wondering how long it would take for someone to revise it. I decided to wait and see, and it turned out to be yourself. It looks, by the way, that passenger railroading has a large corpus of friends in wiki-world. Bigturtle (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem; glad to help. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Courtship

Thanks for this fix - I guess I forgot to close the ref tag. --Uncle Ed (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

WN

Yeah, it was a bit far. Please come back sometime soon. —fetch·comms 19:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Reply at my talk page

I've left a reply on my talk page regarding the ROKS Cheonan

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Thanks

Thanks for that (slightly scathing) editor review. Actually I did get into quite a few arguments over the poposed deletion of many things (some of it my own that other people wanted to delete, and I really thought a few articles just HAD to go, but people just didn't see reason, rather spamming my talk page about why "this doesen't apply here, blah blah blah", OMG A WHOLE ARTICLE ON A SMALL NOT NOTABLE HILL SOMEWHERE IN IRELAND AND THEY DISQUALIFY MY PROD ON A TECHNICALITY (or something, I cant remember)- sorry for the rage).

Anyway, after being beaten back over all that (I lost every single debate!- the stupid hill's page stayed, the article on some subway station stayed (no, not a subway system- a whole article on one silly station!), the obscure mod pack for Civ IV stayed, and yet my template got deleted, and that walking robot image got deleted, even though there was conclusive evidence IT WAS FREEWARE (or whatever) and was used on many pages, even the article on Gait!, also my article got deleted on the very criteria that couldn't delete some stupid hill's page).

Very sorry for the spammy rage outburst (and that paragraph above being a gramatical nightmare), but I had to do it. You can delete it if you wish. Anyway, what I am saying is that after all that, I gave up on most of my mainspace edits (except AoE/ES related stuff, I update them a bit) which were new page patrolling and deletion.

Mod MMG (User Page) Reply on my talkpage. Do NOT click this link 07:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, content work doesn't just have to be creating new articles; there's seemingly endless articles you can improve that are already on Wikipedia, and that's no less important. A good place to look is WP:BACKLOG, where you can easily find stuff to do like copy-editing articles, finding references, or other general cleanup. You don't necessarily have to focus on creating content, improving existing stuff works just as well. Cheers, C628 (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!! I'll copy that backlog link to my userpage so I know where to go to improve some mainspace articles. Also, there's been a debate on my talkpage (about 5 users involved) on my signature, apparently it's too distracting, then apparently it's just got too much clutter to be effective, what's your opinion?
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The Final Frontier

Hi, I've started a discussion you might be interested in on the talk page.Thanks. Baron Ronan Doyle (Sprechen mit mir) 17:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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