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::{{yo|Cwmhiraeth}} [[420 (cannabis culture)|this should help]]—it's nice to work at the largest encyclopedia in the world sometimes. Also, keep in mind that in the United States, the date is written as 4/20, not 20/4. [[User:Theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) ([[Singular they|they/them]]) 05:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
::{{yo|Cwmhiraeth}} [[420 (cannabis culture)|this should help]]—it's nice to work at the largest encyclopedia in the world sometimes. Also, keep in mind that in the United States, the date is written as 4/20, not 20/4. [[User:Theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Theleekycauldron|contribs]]) ([[Singular they|they/them]]) 05:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we shouldn't be making niche sets for topics, as a key point of DYK is to get a diversity hooks on the front page. Also the link between 420 and 20 April/April 20 is tenuous and US-centric. If people want do one or two hooks for that date about weed, then go for it, as long as they meet the usual DYK nomination time rules. But a whole set on anything is excessive, with very few exceptions for worldwide events such as International Women's Day. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we shouldn't be making niche sets for topics, as a key point of DYK is to get a diversity hooks on the front page. Also the link between 420 and 20 April/April 20 is tenuous and US-centric. If people want do one or two hooks for that date about weed, then go for it, as long as they meet the usual DYK nomination time rules. But a whole set on anything is excessive, with very few exceptions for worldwide events such as International Women's Day. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
:* And we shouldn't be putting exemptions on the 1-6 week rules just because {{U|Leakycauldron}} thinks it's a cool subject. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 19:03, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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This is where the Did you know section on the main page, its policies, and its processes can be discussed.

Because we don't have enough to do right now

I ran into this from, like, 7 years ago, a proposal I made after we had a string of controversial hooks and images. But there were other fish to fry and there was never really much discussion:

  • Wikipedia does not suppress knowledge merely because some may find that knowledge offensive, but neither should the manner of presentation knowingly or thoughtlessly give offense when the same information can be communicated in a manner more broadly acceptable.
  • While DYK hooks are often playful, this should not be confused with excessive gratuitous vulgarity, shock value, or tastelessness.
  • Omission of a particular hook does not remove the hook's content from the body of Wikipedia's knowledge (as would omission of something from an article), merely from the prominence of the main page. The purpose of a DYK is to interest readers in a given article, not give exposure to a particular hook or image per se, so where there is significant concern about given hook or image, consider rewording the hook, substituting a different point drawn from the article, or using a different image (or no image).
  • When proposing a hook touching on issues (or employing language, or accompanied by an image) that may be of concern to a significant number of editors, get feedback early by raising the issue explicitly in the nomination instead of waiting for someone else to do so.

Perhaps some version of the above might fit at WP:Did you know#Content. Thoughts? EEng 19:05, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

JGHowes - DYK lost another contributor

Our Admin Newsletter informs us of the death of JGHowes, who was not only an Administrator, but also a contributor to DYK since 2008. Please see his User:JGHowes/DYK, which lists 52 successful DYK contributions, the last one was Paul Fiset On June 29, 2021. Also see Deceased Wikipedians/2021. — Maile (talk) 17:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RIP, and thanks for all you've done for the project, JGHowes.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:27, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest to place condolences on his user talk, where friends and family are more likely to look than here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User talk:JGHowes - here's his talk page. — Maile (talk) 21:55, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations needing DYK reviewers

The previous list was archived a little over an hour ago, so I’ve created a new list that includes all 38 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through October 11. We currently have a total of 198 nominations, of which 105 have been approved, a gap of 93, which has increased by 12 in the past eight days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these.

Over three months old:

Over one month old:

Other old nominations:

Please remember to cross off entries as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:07, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fast-tracking my submission

I know this is really last-minute, but I just submitted Template:Did you know nominations/Feetloaf. I would really appreciate it if this could be fast-tracked to appear on October 28th 31st (Halloween). Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: That's over a week from now, so you should be fine—my question is, why is Halloween October 28? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron because my brain was so addled from rushing to write this in one evening that I forgot how to read a calendar? s/28/31/, please. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@RoySmith: ah, I see. Well, take a breath; the good (and only) news is that you're quite a bit early. Special occasion hooks need at least a week's notice, and by my count, we're at twelve days. The october 31st prep set isn't available yet (and given that we're probably going back to two sets a day soon, it'll probably be three or four days until it will be), so there isn't much I could do even if it were approved right now. I'm sure someone'll review the hook in the next few days, and I'll promote it when it's ready. In the meantime, you're good :) – I'd suggest that you get some rest when you can. No rush here. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thanks for your help (and reassurance). Actually, this was the most fun I've had in a long time. Sometimes I get so caught up with my sock-hunting duties, I forget that the real reason we're all here is to write articles. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I regret reading the article you wrote. CMD (talk) 06:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I said as much on the nomination page, too! :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I thank you both for your warning, and commit to never reading that article. BilledMammal (talk) 06:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just a heads up that I've approved it and moved it to the special occasion holding area. Also, have I done this right? Pamzeis (talk) 03:04, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, also, I'd appreciate if anyone has any ideas how to make ALT1 (... that the hungry thing wanted Feetloaf?) out-of-universe as it's really hooky but violates WP:DYKSG#C6. Thanks. Pamzeis (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween hooks

While we're on the subject, i think we could legitimately assemble a good, spooky, dark halloween set or two. What would you guys think about assembling a special set of dark/spooky DYKs for halloween? (it doesn't technically break any rules, so i don't need to ask for an IAR, but i do want some rough consensus first.) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I suppose it would displace my climate change hook by a day, unless climate change is considered dark and spooky. CMD (talk) 08:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess climate change could be quite dark... but not in a Halloween-sense. Pamzeis (talk) 08:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh no. We don't need to try and make more work for people by rearranging everything just to try and get 8 or 16 "Halloween" hooks. If people wanted to do this, it should be suggested a month or so in advance, and we'd actually need a number of decent hooks for it. There aren't enough hooks for it, and we shouldn't try to fast track new DYK noms to meet this date (which is what we often seem to do for late thought out date requests). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The only actual Halloween hook I see in WP:DYKNA is the one mentioned above, which is a good hook for that date. Anything else falls under "superfluous date requests"- something that keeps on coming up here for tangentially relevant date requests. I thought DYK was trying to cut down the number of not very relevant date requests, rather than increase it by shoehorning hooks onto a random date like this proposal does... Joseph2302 (talk) 08:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't have minded, but I agree that these sort of things need to be proposed at least a month in advance, not only to minimize disruption, but also perhaps to entice regulars to write/expand articles for the occasion as well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, that's fair. We'll just leave it at feetloaf, then. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 14:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Late to this: I just nominated Template:Did you know nominations/Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott (Telemann) which is not dark and spooky but for the same day, 31 October = Reformation day. It's 10 days from now, and why we claim it's all too late I fail to see. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: it's not too late for a special request for that day, but I think they're saying that getting eight hooks together for a whole halloween set would be too difficult. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 17:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron, I just wrote one if you all are wanting to review and add it to a spooky set. See Template:Did you know nominations/The Devil and Daniel Webster (opera).4meter4 (talk) 19:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK-helper script improvements and auto-loading

Per the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Proposal to turn the DYK helper into a gadget, a modified version of DYK-helper has been written that enables it to be used without needing to edit your JS files or fiddling with settings.

Please evaluate it and let me know if you have any feedback or encounter any issues with the interface:

For existing DYK-helper users: the plan is to make the "DYK" option in the menu link to the above-mentioned form. The article name will be prefilled. The only difference is that you would be entering your hooks and other details on a new page rather than inside a dialog on the article page. – SD0001 (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The trial version looks good to me! Though, at the last, it gave me a code to copy-paste and make a nomination manually. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kavyansh.Singh oh, it was working all fine for me. Did you get any error message? – SD0001 (talk) 15:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SD0001 – Yeah, on test.wikipedia, it said "Creating nomination page: Could not save the page because the wiki server wanted you to fill out a CAPTCHA." Then provided a code for me to copy, saying "Your DYK template wikitext is provided below, which you can copy and use to create ..." Does that happen just with me? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Kavyansh.Singh That's because you're not autoconfirmed on testwiki! I gave you the confirmed flag on testwiki. – SD0001 (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And its now Perfect! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have DYK-helper installed, but Wikipedia:Did you know/Create new nomination is coming up as a blank page. What am I missing here? CMD (talk) 16:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's blank for me too? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 17:08, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's weird. @Theleekycauldron and Chipmunkdavis: can you check if you see any error in the console (see point 6
of WP:JSERROR for how to open). – SD0001 (talk) 17:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SD0001:

Refused to execute script from 'https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:SD0001/DYK-helper/withJsMode.js&action=raw&ctype=application/json' because its MIME type ('application/json') is not executable, and strict MIME type checking is enabled.

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 17:49, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron thanks, fixed! That was a silly error (but somehow on my browser it was working despite it). – SD0001 (talk) 17:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The "?" next to the date says "The date as of which creation/expansion has been completed." What's actually relevant to DYK is not the completion date, but the date when it began. Also, the dropdown with suggestions for the article title as you type is useful; is it possible to enable that for additional articles? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 17:22, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mandarax: Are you sure about this? If someone began expanding an article on 10th of October and continued expanding it till 20th, and nominated it for DYK today, would it be rejected because expansion began more than a week ago? – SD0001 (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure we'd let them go on IAR, but yeah, I think that'd fall outside guidelines. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I too guess that we are not that strict on dates till around 10 days. But it will fall outside the rules, especially if more than 10 days. Even the DYK check script checks for the 5x expansion in past 10 days. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I updated the wording in the script. As to the suggestion of showing the suggestions dropdown for additional articles – that's possible but a bit tricky to get working. Will take a look. – SD0001 (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for updating the wording of the tooltip. Just FYI, the instructions on the nom page say: "list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here)". As for the dropdown suggestions, I suspected it may be nontrivial, which is why I phrased it as "is it possible". I imagine most people will paste the titles in anyways, so if it's too much effort, that's fine. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is great! What does it display for users who are on mobile or don't have javascript enabled? Once it can handle those edge cases, I'd say it's time to clear out all the old junk in the nomination instructions and replace it with just a big blue "make a nomination" button. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 18:14, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, love this tool! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:17, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdkb: The withJS mechanism to be used for loading this isn't configured to work on the mobile domain at all. (So all other forms like Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Increase/Form also don't work). So for mobile and non-javascript users, some message will have to be put in the wikitext to point them to the wikitext "form" that uses the preload. You can edit the page and put the text inside the dyk-helper-container div (the contents of this div will be replaced by the script for JS users). – SD0001 (talk) 18:42, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Shouldn't hold up this excellent piece of work, though. I think the blue button can be put there now. I just tried the form out on a phone (in desktop view) and while tedious, was probably 10 times better than the wikitext form. We should recommend that people viewing the page in mobile view switch to desktop view to submit the form. Enterprisey (talk!) 00:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moving the SOHA

I just archived the discussion on special occasion hooks. It seemed like the takeaway with the most chance of success would be moving the Special Occasion Holding Area to the top, instead of leaving it at the bottom where it's often ignored by prep set builders who usually take older hooks for a set. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 16:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said on the previous discussion, if anything helps the reviewers to spot a special occasion hook faster, let it be done. Moving SOHA to the top of the page is fundamentally a good idea. But, in my opinion, it is useful if, and only if we have all the special occasions hooks in the holding area. Otherwise, it doesn't take anything more than pressing that page down key to see that same SOHA at the end of the page. Now, as it is being discuss, can someone help me figure out why do we have a SOHA on awaiting nominations page, when we are not allowed to nominate them in that section? Thanks for starting this discussion! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:59, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably a remnant from the time before the Approved hooks had their own page. CMD (talk) 17:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would support moving SOHA to the top of the approved nominations page. Z1720 (talk) 17:33, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support moving it to the top. —valereee (talk) 00:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support placing the special holding dates to the top of approved nominations, which seems logical to me. As for the Kavyansh.Singh question about SOHA notice also at the bottom of the nominations page: I think there was a reason for it, but it escapes my memory. BlueMoonset would likely have the answer to that, and might have been the editor who placed it there. — Maile (talk) 00:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not convinced, but in any event I do not support moving anything until Shubinator is contacted and we make sure the move will not break DYKHousekeepingBot's creation of the Count of DYK Hooks table—I also do not support any move until the bot can be updated accordingly. Frankly, that table is far more valuable to DYK as a whole than the placement of the Special occasions section. CMD is correct about it being a remnant, and Maile that I was the one who did it (I'm pretty sure I also set up the Approved page): the stub of the Special occasions section was left on the main nominations page as a pointer to its new location when the Approved page was created to split those nominations off from the main page when it became overloaded and incapable of transcluding all the nominations. The reason you can't nominate the hooks in that section is the same as why you can't nominate ones for April Fools' Day on its page: these are ordinary nominations until they are reviewed and passed, and need to be reviewed without special priority or sequestration along with contemporaneous nominations. The idea of putting nominations in a special section at the bottom either privileges or disadvantages them, and is something I would absolutely oppose. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset: I wouldn't support nominating special occasion hooks in a separate area either—but I'm not sure why you don't want to move the the SOHA for only the approved hooks, as long as it doesn't break the bot? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:52, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset I agree, and I don't suggest to add SO nomination there, but if it serves no purpose than just pointing to the new location, is it really needed there? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:37, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

4/20

I've been working on User:Valereee/Cannabis cuisine and it occurred to me that an April 20 appearance would be kind of fun. That's a long way off, though, so I thought I'd see if there were objections. I actually have another draft, Draft:Andrea Drummer, and we might be able to develop a full set as there's a ton happening in the field. —valereee (talk) 00:13, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be down to see a cannabis set on April 20! Does it still fall under the six-week requirement? I think that should be voided if we're trying to assemble a whole set. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron, that's the issue here -- we'd need folks here to forgive that requirement in order to build a set. —valereee (talk) 00:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Figures as much—if we could get a whole set together for the date, I'd support making an IAR exception. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
April 20, 2022 is definitely over six months from now, but given that there's still plenty of time before then and these are in draftspace anyway, I think the solution would be to simply move these articles to mainspace when it's six weeks to go. After all there is no deadline so their move to mainspace can wait. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, moving it now and securing an exception eliminates the (admittedly small) chance that someone else writes the article in the meantime, no? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to invoke WP:BEANS here though ;) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
beans (exclamatory). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Six months is really too far in the future, given that six weeks is the typical upper limit. And I'm dubious as to whether this is an event worthy of an entire prep set. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:33, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What is the significance of 20 April? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Cwmhiraeth: this should help—it's nice to work at the largest encyclopedia in the world sometimes. Also, keep in mind that in the United States, the date is written as 4/20, not 20/4. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we shouldn't be making niche sets for topics, as a key point of DYK is to get a diversity hooks on the front page. Also the link between 420 and 20 April/April 20 is tenuous and US-centric. If people want do one or two hooks for that date about weed, then go for it, as long as they meet the usual DYK nomination time rules. But a whole set on anything is excessive, with very few exceptions for worldwide events such as International Women's Day. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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