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::I just submitted a request for ''Das historische Pommern : Personen, Orte, Ereignisse'' / von Roderich Schmidt and ''Die Slawen in Deutschland'' : Joachim Herrmann. Both books should be available by Saturday. Lets see what German historians have said about Boloslaw campaigns. Please understand my POV. I was an Accountant for over thirty years. All of my work was under constant scrutiny by government auditors, banks and above all the owners of the firm.--[[User:Woogie10w|Woogie10w]] ([[User talk:Woogie10w|talk]]) 18:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
::I just submitted a request for ''Das historische Pommern : Personen, Orte, Ereignisse'' / von Roderich Schmidt and ''Die Slawen in Deutschland'' : Joachim Herrmann. Both books should be available by Saturday. Lets see what German historians have said about Boloslaw campaigns. Please understand my POV. I was an Accountant for over thirty years. All of my work was under constant scrutiny by government auditors, banks and above all the owners of the firm.--[[User:Woogie10w|Woogie10w]] ([[User talk:Woogie10w|talk]]) 18:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:I can provide you with the respective citations right now, but I prefer to keep that off DRN as this is unnecessarily derailing the discussion. [[User:Skäpperöd|Skäpperöd]] ([[User talk:Skäpperöd#top|talk]]) 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
:I can provide you with the respective citations right now, but I prefer to keep that off DRN as this is unnecessarily derailing the discussion. [[User:Skäpperöd|Skäpperöd]] ([[User talk:Skäpperöd#top|talk]]) 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:Herrmann p. 384: "Etwa gleichzeitig nahm der polnische Feudalstaat unter Boleslaw Schiefmund (1102—1138) seine expansionistische Politik gegenüber den Pomoranen, d. h. in Richtung Ostseeküste und Odermündung, und auch gegen die mittleren Odergebiete wieder auf. Boleslaw eroberte 1121/22 Stettin (Szczecin), unterwarf Herzog [p. 385] Wartislaw und Pommern der polnischen Oberhoheit und zwang den Pommernfürsten, für sich und sein Land das Christentum anzunehmen. Weitere Eroberungszüge gegen die Lutizen haben Boleslaw bis an die Müritz geführt.[15] Ergebnis der gleichzeitigen Expansion des polnischen Staates Richtung Westen war die wohl 1123/24 erfolgte Gründung des Bistums Lebus." Ref 15 is on p. 552, a reference to the fisherman story in [http://www.dmgh.de/de/fs1/object/display/bsb00001081_00896.html Ebo III/4]. |
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:Schmidt, p. 113: "Nachdem der Polen-hzg. Boleslaw III. einen Kriegszug in das Gebiet der Lutizen (bis zur Müritz) unternommen und im Oderraum Stettin 1121/22 erobert hatte, mußte sich Wartislaw I. zur Tributleistung, Heeresfolge und Annahme des Christentums verpflichten. Er bewahrte aber seine Selbständigkeit. Indem er seinerseits lutiz. Gebiete bis an die Peene (Demmin) gewann, erweiterte er seine Herrschaft über das pomoran. Stammesgebiet hinaus und lockerte allmähl. seine Abhängigkeit von Polen, da der lutiz. Raum zum Markengebiet des dt. Reiches gehörte." |
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DYK for Oñate treaty
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Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello
Okay. B-Machine (talk) 17:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help
Thanks for the quick instructions on how to edit Kruszwica's history section. I was reading that section and immediately recognized it as coming from Lewinski-Corwin's book, because I had literally started reading the book earlier in the day. I felt compelled to create a user account for the sole purpose inquiring on how to give credit to this book, but now that I have it will probably try to contribute here and there where I can.
I saw on your account profile you are from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and was pleased to see someone is working towards expanding English based pages detailing the region and it's history.
Thanks again.
--MeckPomm (talk) 21:02, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
You are now a Reviewer
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Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).
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— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Neutral notification
As somebody who took part in the previous move discussion, you may be interested in the current move discussion here. Varsovian (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello Skäpperöd. Somebody suggested that 1938 rename of East Prussian placenames might be a good candidate for WP:DYK, but it's a little short at 1200 characters. Do you think you could expand the article a little bit to bring it to 1500 characters? Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- I added a short section on parallel renaming in Silesia. Perhaps the scope and title of the article is better changed to be more general than just East Prussia. BTW, the source I added also has information on the subsequent renaming by Polish authorities after the war which could be useful in the parallel article.radek (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you Radeksz. It's long enough for DYK now. I suppose you should raise the question of scope and title on the article's Talk page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I've nominated 1938 rename of East Prussian placenames, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:32, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Lancken-Granitz dolmens
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The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
DYK for 1938 rename of East Prussian placenames
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The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
good to know
that Wikipedia already had an article http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chy%C5%BCans&diff=next&oldid=374239532. However, when redirecting, can you please remember to carry over inter'wiki links and the like. Radek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radeksz (talk • contribs)
Peace at fifty?
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The 50 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal | |
Well I look back at your previous DYK entries and notice a fine balance between biographies, wars and treaties. I haven't added them up myself but I'm hoping there are more treaties than wars. On the other hand if there are more wars than treaties then ... could you fix the balance of the scores before you get to 100? More seriously - thanks from me and the wiki. Fifty is a real achievement. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2010 (UTC) |
- Thank you very much - I think I wrote many more articles about treaties, but I haven't counted either. Much appreciated Skäpperöd (talk) 13:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Archaeologists discover Britain's 'oldest house
This story was posted to the BBC News Website, you may find it of interest
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-10929343
--Woogie10w (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Your harassment
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I leave the project. Too much harassment and stalking. I did like to do disambiguation work, fixing lots of wrong incoming links to ambiguous article titles etc. Hope the stalkers can have a nice party now. ADIOS! Schwyz (talk) 10:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello again? I do not oppose you coming back and do uncontroversial dab work, but not like that. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
A good day
My compliments for keeping your nerve in a big moving thing today. Good editor. Here is my Written Barnstar. -DePiep (talk) 01:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you! I appreciated your comments, too. Skäpperöd (talk) 04:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Veste Landskron
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Courcelles 18:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
You can set the record straight. Go for it.
Skapperod you are there, what can you tell us about this surge of Neo-Nazi activity in your backyard?
NDR online is interesting, the world has gotten a lot smaller with the internet
BTW I am giving you an opening to point out that most people in Germany today condemn the Neo-Nazis. Too many people in here in the US believe that the Germans are still Nazis. You can set the record straight. Go for it.--Woogie10w (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I wonder what record am I supposed to set straight??? You were asking about the "surge", and I am glad you moved the comment here because the article talk page is not suitable for that kind of conversation. First, it is not a surge, rather a small, but persistent annoyance. The neo Nazis here are a small, heterogeneous group. Part of them are violent, loud and seemingly disorganized (small local groups not subordinate to any larger association). The degree to which they actually are neo Nazis varies considerably, some are just using Nazi symbols to some extend but are not really involved with the ideology. Others are members of local NPD groups, who atm are trying to avoid violent acts of their members (with limited success) to present a more right-wing-populist and less Nazi-like image. Others are organized in small splinter parties who periodically get banned and altogether are insignificant and unknown. Politicians and NGOs of all coleurs have been trying to ban the NPD for years now, but the Verfassungsschutz had inadvertedly torpedoed the last ban initiative by infiltrating the NPD to such a degree that the case failed when brought before the supreme court (and only the court has the power to ban parties). The occasional rallies of the far right largely do not consist of local neo Nazis, but of participants who travel there from other parts of the state, and even that way they do not achieve significant levels of particpation. These people are usually escorted by the police from the trains or busses they arrive with, the police then herds them through the prepared route which is usually far away from main roads, take anyone into custody who shows any kind of illegal behavior (pretty much everything to do with Nazism is illegal in Germany), and then escorts them back to the train/bus station and disperse the group. The police is really doing a good job on this. That way, such rallies are barely noted and their impact is about zero. Maybe you understand better now why I do not want that these rallies get an attention here that's being successfully denied to them in RL. Skäpperöd (talk) 16:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- RL?--Woogie10w (talk) 16:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- real life, the wonderful universe outside of the virtual dungeons of wikipedia. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- RL?--Woogie10w (talk) 16:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- As Columbo would say Just one more thing Why do you spend so much time in the virtual dungeons of wikipedia? [5]--Woogie10w (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Lost a ring. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think a guy named Bilbo now has it.radek (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Lost a ring. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- As Columbo would say Just one more thing Why do you spend so much time in the virtual dungeons of wikipedia? [5]--Woogie10w (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Mass suicide in Demmin
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— Rlevse • Talk • 06:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Skäpperöd, Thanks for your message. It's nice that we were both correct and incorrect. Best wishes, Ericoides (talk) 18:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Demmin 1945
Thank you for taking the time to explain the background of the current events in MVP. I now have a better understanding of the political situation there and how it relates to Germany’s tragic past. One observation that I would like to make regarding the You-Tube clips of the marches in Demmin, in my opinion the young people in those public demonstrations may be the target of police surveillance. Based on my knowledge of Germany it could also have a negative impact on their careers.
Thank you again for taking time to answer my postings, wishing you all the best. Regards --Woogie10w (talk) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- You are welcome. The young people are probably not target of surveillance, the ones with the ties - most definetely. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I have no doubt that they are on Wikipedia also, anybody can edit.
Überwachungsstaat Deutschland [6]
Innenminister Lorenz Caffier setzt Initiative “Wehrhafte Demokratie” fort![7]
--Woogie10w (talk) 18:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Radical ties could also have a negative impact on the careers of young people
[8] --[9]
Woogie10w (talk) 18:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- I am not sure I understand what you want to tell me with that - I am aware of the above, but what is the subject you want to talk about? Their impact on wikipedia? From my experience, that is about zero. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- My point is that the article may attract police attention because the issue of May 8th 1945 is a hot potato in MVP (auf deutsch ein heisses Eisen). In my opinion it would be best to point out the NPD exploitation of the issue and the current efforts of the MVP government to combat Neo-Nazi activity in Demmin. --Woogie10w (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- You wrote Their impact on wikipedia? From my experience, that is about zero Nobody saw the Stasi, but you knew they were there.--Woogie10w (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Meine Meinung war nicht von ungefahr [10]
Deutsch Humor ist die beste [11]
--Woogie10w (talk) 12:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
- Of course the police are patrolling the web, it would be a shame if they wouldn't. I also like the haGalil approach though, they are doing a good job.
- Re "Deutsch Humor ist die beste" - arguably, not. Skäpperöd (talk) 12:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
- I do not know what is going on upstairs. I just play the piano downstairs. [12]--Woogie10w (talk) 14:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Megaliths in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
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The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Steinbach
Hi, I just made an edit at Erika Steinbach. You may want to contribute there since you have access to the German media reports on her resignation. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 12:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Sounds ok. The chapter covers the time when Cossack Hetmanate was allowed to conduct an independent foreign policy trying to secure its brittle sovereignty, while being involved in what could have been an early partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Apparently there was a split in the Polish society at that time with possibly Poland becoming a protestant state. Russia sided with Poland, while it was contradicting the recent treaties with Zaporizhia. The single page that I mentioned is the first of that chapter which covers about three pages. A sort of similar situation situation took place in eastern Poland when the Swedish Karl XII "strolled" through the region. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- "strolled" was a good one :) I modified the ref slightly, thanks Skäpperöd (talk) 22:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi
I've filed a request for mediation here [13].radek (talk) 21:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
AE request involving you
I mention you here. Varsovian (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Signature
U forgot to sign this:[14]--Jacurek (talk) 23:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Thomas Kantzow
The historic matrikel of the University of Rostock are online, Kantzow is mentioned here (WS 1525/26). HerkusMonte (talk) 19:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Great, thank you! Skäpperöd (talk) 09:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
DYK for Thomas Kantzow
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Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Template change
I have integrated Template:Campaignbox Livonian War into Template:Livonian War treaties and moved the latter to Template:Campaigns and treaties of the Livonian War. Since it's used twice in your userpages, I thought this notice wouldn't go amiss. For the time being, the campaignbox will remain, but I should want it deleted redirected as soon as possible. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- Hey Grandiose. I appreciate your efforts to combine the templates, yet I am afraid that this is not going to get consensus. Campaignboxes always had this fixed standartized width and are supposed to fit under the infobox, also (to my dismay) treaties are not usually combined with battles. I guess it would be a good idea to discuss that at some military noticeboard first, since it would become a precedent for combining further campaign and treaty templates for other wars. My feeling though is that the military guys won't like the idea, that's why whenever I created a treaties navbox I only put an unobtrusive bar on the bottom of the corresponding campaign templates, containing the link, hoping nobody would mind that decent bar...
- Personally, I think that treaties are likewise and sometimes even more important than battles for the course of a war, and should be included in campaignboxes. But we are talking MOS and MLHIST traditions here, and I don't have much experience with either.
- Another unrelated issue: You removed some footnotes here as "unnecessary" - I disagree. It's better to have more footnotes, since people might want to verify a sentence or gather more information about the respective fact, but may only have access to one of the books referenced. Since wikipedia has unlimited amounts of server space, removal is not necessary - if there are too many footnotes piling up behind a sentence, one can combine them into one footnote instead. I'd like to restore the references. Best regards Skäpperöd (talk) 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'll put it to wider consensus when I get the chance. (Oh, and the footnotes can stay for now, there's no rush.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Livonian War
"following the double election of Batory's fiancèe Anna Jagiellon and Maximillian II in 1655." Surely not? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Huh, most certainly not. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I changed it already. I am pleased with the way the article has developed, do you still want to bring it up one more level? Iirc you mentioned FAC somewhere... Skäpperöd (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, although there's no rush. (FA-quality demands a level of detail which if one were to pick and chose which bits one ramped up the detail on, you'd end up with an unbalanced article. Best to leave the article feasible after any change.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 22:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Request
I'd appreciate it if you could blank or refactor your ArbCom statement here to remove personal attacks and other unfair accusations. EE battlegrounds will not dissipate till editors apply WP:FORGIVE and stop giving others a reason to think "this guy tried to get me at AN(I)/AE/ARBCOM/etc. and now I have to get back at him, or at least show everybody else how evil he is." Each time editor A criticizes editor B, it becomes that much harder for editor B to keep assuming good faith about editor A. On the other hand, each time editor A stays quiet, avoiding criticizing former opponents, the axe becomes buried deeper, not to mention the times where editors A and B compliment each other or collaborate (and on that lines, I am happy to publicly state that I respect your content contributions and activity in copyright project, I wish you to be more active, and have no wish to see you restricted, even criticized, in any shape or form). Please consider that. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Livonian War - GA
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As you can see there, Livonian War has been promoted to Good Article status. Personally, I think it's a fair wedge above that, but we shall see. Thanks for all your help. What do you think the next step is? I'd like to see it make FA (it would be my first to have contributed significantly to). As part of WP:MILHIST, we have a viable option of peer review (leaving aside A-Class for the moment) which I think would be a good option. The article's come a long way, and there are times the people doing most of the contributing should step back and think about it. What do you think? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 10:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, great that we have brought it to GA. I am certainly open to expanding it more, but I can't help with all the MOS stuff required for FA . Skäpperöd (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Liberated territories
Something similar is going on in Curzon line and related articles. Greetings, - - Ziegenspeck (talk) 15:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
Notice
Please do not use my former account name in your edits. I've changed it for a reason, due to off-wiki harassment, as was my right to do so. Since you in particular were responsible for the spreading of the information which outted myself as well as my family members and friends personal info on Wikipedia, you in particular should be extremely careful about these kinds of statements.
I'm extending this notice as a courtesy, since I notified others. In those cases however there was little question that they were acting in good faith. Don't use the former account name and redact instances where you did so recently. Thanks. Volunteer Marek 20:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
- First: The only one who ever posted your alleged real name on-wiki was you. That I once alerted arbcom to a post of yours where you copied part of your inbox on-wiki while proxying for your topic banned EEML-friend Molobo was necessary to record your continuous off-wiki-coordinated tag teaming, and did not involve any outing on my part.
- Second, I doubt that you have the right to demand that your former username may not be mentioned anymore: at least with respect to me, you continue the aggressive behaviour and tag teaming that got you in trouble under your former username. That's not a WP:CLEANSTART. If you want a clean start, start clean. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm going to ignore the personal attacks and false accusations. Basically, I'm asking you this as a courtesy, like I asked others - none of whom had any problem with it. If you don't want to be courteous, that's your choice, but I will regard such behavior in the future as incivil (not to mention completely unnecessary). Volunteer Marek 16:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello. You have created File:Flag pomerania.PNG, and I want to ask you for source, that this flag was based on. Especially I'm interested in hue (tint) of the blue colour, and proportions. Thank You for answers. JDavid (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know if there are any "official" tints or proportions, as it is a regional flag, not a state flag. It is however integrated in the Flag of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the Pomeranian blue and white is combined with the Mecklenburgian red-yellow-blue, as are the CoAs of Mecklenburg (Ox) and Pomerania (Griffin). I guess the colors and proportions used in that flag are the only official hint you get, although there may be some official layout from the pre-1945 province of Pomerania (which I suppose would be moot now). The flags actually hoisted throughout Pomerania have the whole spectrum from dark to light blue, though the lightest ones are most probably bleached (plenty of wind, salty air and sunshine here). I don't think it matters much what kind of blue is used, as long as it's blue and white, and I am not sure whether there actually is some official body defining the blue tint. At the flag-of-Mecklenburg-Vorpommern article, I found this useful link though. Regards Skäpperöd (talk) 12:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- I just realized you are from Pomerania, too, so I apologize for telling you about the wind and salty air here... Skäpperöd (talk) 13:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. And page gives us an information that the Mecklenburg-West Pomerania government has made some specification sheet, and I want to find it. But I'm not a German, so it's really difficult for me. I just want to present verifiable information, like legislated, established flag. If it really is. Could you help me? JDavid (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what specification sheet he is referring to either, and since he gave no hint at all, I don't even know where to start searching. It could be an answer to his private request or anything. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. And page gives us an information that the Mecklenburg-West Pomerania government has made some specification sheet, and I want to find it. But I'm not a German, so it's really difficult for me. I just want to present verifiable information, like legislated, established flag. If it really is. Could you help me? JDavid (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- I just realized you are from Pomerania, too, so I apologize for telling you about the wind and salty air here... Skäpperöd (talk) 13:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Site gives us the sources like those publcations:
- Hellmuth Hecker, Günter Hoog : Deutsche Flaggen: Sammlung von Vorschriften zum Flaggenrecht Deutschlands und der deutschen Küstenländer. 1978, ISBN 3-7875-2132-1 = ISBN 978-3-7875-2132-6
- Jürgen Arndt: Wappen und Flaggen des Deutschen Reiches und seiner Bundesstaaten (1871-1918) ISBN 3-921846-81-1 = ISBN 978-3-921846-81-10 , 3 editions (1979 ... 1988)
list of libraries in Germany:
→ Hecker & Hoog book
→ Arndt book only Dortmund
I think those books can help to explain everything. Other good thing could be a sending an email to Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Government or email to Landtag Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. JDavid (talk) 19:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- I found the specification sheet of the Mecklenburg-Vorpommern government, passed on 17 Dec 1996, enacted in May 1998. The flag of the Pomeranian part of the state is accordingly defined as follows:
- format 25:15
- blue: CMYK 100/10/0/0; HKS 48; RAL 5015
- white
- The specification sheet is online:
- Note that these specifications are the current ones of the MV government - as far as I am aware, no such detailed specification existed before. This is a link to an 1889 encyclopedic entry simply giving "blue/white" as the Pomeranian colors based on a Prussian cabinet's order of 22 Oct 1882 (bottom right). Skäpperöd (talk) 12:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Colours
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Vorpommern_flag.svg/200px-Vorpommern_flag.svg.png)
I have found a high quality specification the same like links above, but it's PDF file with vector images. So I tried to find an accurate colour from specification, and it was a big problem because:
- CMYK 100/10/0/0 -- very very light blue colour
- HKS 48 -- little dark blue colour(from Corel Draw X3)
- RAL 5015 -- dark blue colour(from 1st source 2nd source)
- RAL 5015 -- dark blue colour(from RAL gemeinnützige GmbH)
Because there are such many colour interpretations and none of them is not simmilar with Hellblau (lightblue colour) I have taken colour directly from "Ein Land - ein Bild" PDF file (with vector files)
- lightblue RGB 0/168/223 -- Hellblau.
But do you have an access to Act Decision on 17 Dec 1996, or Act Law from May 1998? JDavid (talk) 17:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
- The problem with the differing colors is impossible to solve sufficiently because of the differing output devices:
- CMYK is not the actual color, but a command to mix ink in cartriges - what color you actually get depends on the medium (kind of paper, kind of clothes) you print on or your type of monitor and its settings.
- In contrast, HKS and RAL are defined color standards, but to actually view them you have to get (buy) samples from the respective institutions/enterprises. And even if you get your monitor to show a color matching HKS 48 or RAL 5015, other monitors won't display them alike except if they are 100% identical with yours in model, condition and settings (impossible).
- The solution is, in my view, to lower our standards in a way that we are satisfied with a color somewhat approaching, not matching, HKS 48 and/or RAL5015. You already did a very good job on this with the flag shown above. I fail to see how you would achieve an even better result. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Provinz_Pommern_flag.svg/200px-Provinz_Pommern_flag.svg.png)
- Thank You :) I also wondered about File:Provinz Pommern flag.svg. I thought that I would have found a good colour. But every source of good colour is mistaken. For example Marcus Schmöger from FOTW used just CMYK colours from Vorpommern flag specifications, and also had thought that colour was wrong, so he changed him as for his original research. Colour is so also very bright, and not equal with computer screen CMYK. Current colour of this flag is just my mistake, but I think it is compromise between File:Vorpommern flag.svg and FOTW version. Probably the best verifiable result could be blue colour from Jürgen Arndt's (and Hugo Strohl) book. Anyway I made everything that I can. :) JDavid (talk) 14:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC) PS. I think File:Flag pomerania.PNG could be tagged with {{db-f8}} or another.
To Skäpperöd
Dearest, just would like to express my appreciation and adoration to you after reading many discussion about Pommern. You have many supporters between members of academia and between old pommeranians as well. I wish you good luck and lots of love, S v. Pommern
- Thank you. My grandparents had a Tarnow poem at the wall reading
- Mötst di nich argern, hett keinen Wiert,
- Mötst di blot wunnern wat all passiert.
- Mötst ümmer denken de Lüd sünd nich klook,
- Jeder hett Grappen, du hest se ok.
- Mötst di nich argern, Hett keinen Sinn,
- Ward di blot schaden un bringt di nix in,
- Ward an di fräten as Qualm un Rook.
- Is't nahst vergäten, büst grad so klook.
- Mötst di nich argern is Unrecht di dahn,
- Haug mal up'n Disch - un glieck is't vergahn.
- Kort is dien Leben un lang' büst du dod,
- Minsch, blot nich argern, ne, lachen deit good!
- Skäpperöd (talk) 12:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Vielen Dank, it is absolutely beautiful! I shall show it to my relatives and we could enjoy it together. I would like to register me with wiki and would be delighted to be in contact with you and possibly to contribute some materials which we constantly discover in old books (most of my interest is of course Pommern) 86.167.131.59 (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC) S. v. Pommern
- You are welcome to register. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for edits. Nice to know that somebody reads my translations.--Grahame (talk) 00:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
- You are welcome. I admire people who write articles knowing that most readers will be maintenance bots, but write them anyway for the sake of freedom and accessibility of information. I admit that I wrote several such articles myself... Skäpperöd (talk) 13:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Kroczyhski Hieronim doesn't exist
Please correct your error.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
- The "h"-typo was corrected to proper "ń" long before you posted here. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Thoughts?
Catalogue Regional Library of Mecklenburg Vorpommern
Title: Der Feldzug in Polen
Author: Lettow-Vorbeck, Oscar von *1839-1904*
Published: Berlin : Mittler, 1893
Extent: XV, 209 S. : Ill., zahlr. Kt. + 2 Beil.
Collective title: Der Krieg von 1806 und 1807 / bearb. von Oscar von Lettow-Vorbeck ; Bd. 3
--Woogie10w (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Stars/galaxy
Wow, it is very very pretty. Thank you! :) Renata (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
- You are welcome, the stars are well-deserved. Skäpperöd (talk) 09:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Siege of Kolberg (1807)
I sincerely raplied in some detail to 3o requests at Talk:Siege of Kolberg (1807) and I hope this helps alleviate some of the controversy there. I see you have some history of disputes with the editor Volunteer Marek. Perhaps you see him/her as excessively advancing a Polish agenda or of other bad-faith practices, but, really, there is not much in this particular article that is worth a controversy of any kind. Picture sizes and caption details of what to most people are obscure figures from the Naploenoic War seems like only minor details when you probably have a lot more new information to contribute to Wikipedia which isn't covered elsewhere. I am happy to reduce the discontent and lessen disputes if you let me, but I also invite you to consider how much your time is worth and how little this dispute in this article means to 99.9% of Wikipedia readers, or how little these disputes play into the overall message of the article. You have a lot of ability and interest in relevant subjects, it seems something of a detour to me when I see you are worried over a 75 versus 90 picture size of tertiary figures in history. Thanks for your many efforts in this article and to Wikipedia generally, I'll be happy to stay involved here as long as my appearance is valued. Leidseplein (talk) 05:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
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- It was also featured on Portal:Germany, archived. If you have more DYK related to Germany, feel free to place it there yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikibreak
I'm afraid due to real life I'll have to stay away from Wikipedia for a few days. Bad timing I know, but the FA looks like it'll be waiting for my return. You could ask for help from others if you want to get as much done as possible in the next few days. Copyeditor maybe? Thanks. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- I see what I can do, FA will probably take some time anyway. Enjoy your break. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
- OK, I'm back. Do you want to continue with the FA or withdraw it, work on it a bit, then maybe go via A class review? That's what I was thinking, but if you wish to persevere, so will I. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 07:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- That was a short break...
- It's your nom, so you decide. I think it was a bit too early, but on the other hand, that is what I thought about the GA nom, too, and it worked out.
- I would not withdraw now, but address the valuable input of Nikkimaria, Renata3 and Dank (the EEML comments don't need to bother you). Renata3 has already said she is going to fix some issues, and she is good at that. I will pay attention too atp, and as I see it, most of the issues are manageable. What none of the commentators monitored so far, but what I regard the main issue with the article, is that the lead is not an accurate summary/introduction and should be rewritten by a native English speaker. Skäpperöd (talk) 11:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- I am a native English speaker! Seriously, though, perhaps it needs work but I can't do as it is it stands as my work. I'm going to withdraw the, primarily because I can't see it passing even if we account for all the points, it has too much baggage. The list of things needing improvement is helpful - at my talk, Dank suggested I/we take it to A class review, which might be helpful in determining those things which are actually required. The problem with a slightly-off but almost FAC is that when people find actual faults, it encourages them to throw in their personal preferences as well. I'll make sure the withdrawal goes through first though. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- Ok then, but before you take it somewhere else or put it up for FA again I'd suggest that we wait some time and address everything pointed out at FAR first, without a hurry, and I hope that Renata3 will nevertheless go over the article, too. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yup, I'm working on it. Might take some time to get the sources through. Essentially I'll try to trime the FAR points to a manageable level before getting further input. It is mostly the suggestions of incompleteness and/or inaccuracy I'm most worried about, so I'll need to find the sources again to cover my back. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 15:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- Ok then, but before you take it somewhere else or put it up for FA again I'd suggest that we wait some time and address everything pointed out at FAR first, without a hurry, and I hope that Renata3 will nevertheless go over the article, too. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- I am a native English speaker! Seriously, though, perhaps it needs work but I can't do as it is it stands as my work. I'm going to withdraw the, primarily because I can't see it passing even if we account for all the points, it has too much baggage. The list of things needing improvement is helpful - at my talk, Dank suggested I/we take it to A class review, which might be helpful in determining those things which are actually required. The problem with a slightly-off but almost FAC is that when people find actual faults, it encourages them to throw in their personal preferences as well. I'll make sure the withdrawal goes through first though. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- OK, I'm back. Do you want to continue with the FA or withdraw it, work on it a bit, then maybe go via A class review? That's what I was thinking, but if you wish to persevere, so will I. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 07:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- Could you possibly replace the Journal of Central European Affairs ref with what you make of this (and potentially the next page). With my OK level of German, it looks to say the same thing, but I think it would be helped as a reference if it was done by an actual German speaker. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'll have a look... Skäpperöd (talk) 17:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
- I added it as a ref for the sale, because everything about that is in there; it lacks however the part about the recognition by the PLC. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
In this edit a while back you introduce "Stone (1991)", is that the same book as "Stone (2001)"? AN oversight on your part, perhaps, or is something else going on? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
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Orlady (talk) 18:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
History of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
Great work. There are however large parts that still need references, are you going to add them as soon as you are finished? If you are writing from memory or from a university course script, I could help you out with adding refs. I noted you are currently working on the Swedish war, I could add refs to that from RI Frost and P Englund - if you want me to, just drop me a note as soon as you are done with that chapter. If you are going to add refs by yourself, nevermind. Best Skäpperöd (talk) 15:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
- The History of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (1569-1648 and 1648-1764) articles are finished, if there are references or other things that you'd like to add, that would be great. Orczar (talk) 14:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
- I found no paragraph left unsourced. Great work, and fun to read. The series is good, there is only gnomish work left. Again, great job! Skäpperöd (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
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3oThird opinion is used only in discussions between two editors. Since more than two editors are involved in discussion I have removed your request per instructions issued on the start of the page.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I informed the interested party of your behaviour and it is up to him to pursue this further if he feels need to. I don't see any need to further discuss this, since you are exploiting it to continue the problematic behaviour. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Also 3o is quite clear: For more complex disputes that involve more than two editors, or that cannot be resolved through talk page discussion, editors should follow the other steps in the dispute resolution process. I suggest that you do read the pages where you edit more closely in the future. Cheers. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:25, 9 May 2011 (UTC) You also forgot that I made comments regarding the current heavy biased history section way earlier[19] Cheers. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:43, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes you started another section after my comment, that doesn't mean I didn't previously contest your problematic editing, and your When did you stop beating your wife? question is hardly constructive. You are dealing with 3o which is used to solve issues between two users, not several, and your have been debated for a considerable time on discussion page by- again-several users. Starting a new section right after a comment by another user and demanding 3o right away before others involved in the article managed to comment, seems hardly constructive too, come to think of it.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 17:33, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I wanted a 3O, and all I got is this section. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC) Please explain why you changed a quote from "An historical geography of Europe, 450 B.C.-A.D.1330" and inserted non-existing text within itIn this edit[20] you changed a quote from An historical geography of Europe, 450 B.C.-A.D.1330 by Norman John Greville Pounds, Cambridge University Press 1973,page 241 The original quote was(and can be confirmed by google books search):
Your edit changed the quote into:
Introducing the germanised name of the city which is not named by germanised version in the source text. I would like to know why you did this? Were any other quotes or text in Wiki articles you edited changed in similar way deviating from original form? --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC) Per the Gdansk vote, Stettin is used prior to 1945, Szczecin thereafter. Skäpperöd (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC) Since you refused to answer if you manipulated other scholarly quotes on Wikipedia and confirmed that you manipulated the quote on purpose I have picked up this issue on Admin board.[25] --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2011 (UTC) The exact words of quotations should never be changed. Even spelling mistakes should not be altered. One can add (sic) in brackets after an apparent error or oddity, but that's all. I don't think that would be appropriate in this case. Paul B (talk) 13:59, 11 May 2011 (UTC) I also see that in the same edit you changed wikilinks and google books links. As a result the links were broken. Please be more careful in future. Paul B (talk) 14:48, 11 May 2011 (UTC) notificationSkäpperöd, from now on please refer to Volunteer Marek on-wiki only by his current username. This appears to be a reasonable request on his part given the history and circumstances. Please see the ANI thread for more comments. Thanks, Newyorkbrad (talk) 12:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC) |
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- Greetings! First, I wish to congratulate you excellent contributions of yours! As I assume that You are Swedish (as I live myself in Stockholm), it would be interesting to see more of your contributions in subjects like Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. This because I know that in Swedish books, there is another focus on things and situations are described in other way than in many polish publications.
- It is naturally that each country write own history from own point of view. I see in this great value to add so it can broaden the articles and raise questions. I have been though many books that I found In Kungliga Bilbioteket in Stockholm where you find every cent spend on the war noted :) By such contribution, we can read story from at least two sides. The more different opinions, the closer to the truth that is impossible to find. Same with German publications if you have access to those.
- I can for example tell that in polish publications you generally feel positive opinion about the Jagiellon dynasty in Poland. This view is not confirmed by German or Hungarian sources. In Hungarian sources, the Jagiellons are described more like a catastrophe, also in German publication the notes for this dynasty are very low. Maybe except Jogaila, the first king in Poland of that dynasty that is noted as fair - not bad but nothing exceptional, more like "average ruler". In such way, you can contribute with changing some stereotypes.
- It would be interesting to exchange some thought with you on this matter. By the way, did you read Stackelberg's report of Poland during the time of Poniatowski, the last King of Poland? Ok, enough writing, let's celebrate the National Day of Sweden! :)Camdan 12:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Hej hej, thank you for your friendly note! From my expierence, nowadays the scholars' perspectives do not depend that much on the scholar's national background, but only on personal assessment. The work groups on a given topic and the scholars' curricula vitae are pretty international, as is the distribution of archives. I won't disclose my nationality here either I am sorry to admit that I have not read Stackelberg. Best regards Skäpperöd (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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New SPI case
The originators of the three sections just above this one are now the subject of an SPI investigation located at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Magicwith121221. I have chosen to not remove their attack comments for this reason. If they are removed, please also remove this section. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 13:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't see this until after I removed another one of those disgusting attacks, below. Skapperod can restore if they like. Skapperod, would you like for this page to be semi-protected per WP:UPROT? Drmies (talk) 04:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I want them deleted once they are not needed as evidence anymore. I guess sysops can access revdel'd diffs, but I am not sure. If that is the case, you can revdel them right now. Thank you very much. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes they can. Take care, Drmies (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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appreciation to S
Great contributions, a feeling of hope in our unusual time...talk to you soon, S L v P — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.198.65 (talk) 15:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Treaty of Arnswalde
Hello Skäpperöd, I found now that on 31 July the article Treaty of Arnswalde was shifted to Treaty of Choszczno with the argument that in the case of the Danzig/Gdansk question the vote had come out in favour of Gdansk. But this is a quite different matter. At the time of the treaty the place certainly was called Arnswalde, not Choszczno. Does there exist general consense for this rather strange modification? Regards, - - Kaiser von Europa (talk) 13:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
WELCOME BACK
Good to see you back again. Please continue your marvellous contributions to wikipedia. HerkusMonte (talk) 11:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
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Your information can't be found in the book you use as source
Based on Polish research up to 1998 Boockmann gives a number close to a hundred dead Try as I might, I can't find anything about research in Poland up to 1998 in the source you gave. Where is it? --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:42, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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IBAN authorship
Your comment at WP:AE is clearly incorrect. Please see my explanation here [27] and strike your erroneous comment.VolunteerMarek 07:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Teutonic takeover of Danzig (Gdańsk) and B-class
This article to which you contributed is almost B-class, but needs a few cite requests addressed. If they aren't, we will have to downgrade it to C-class. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 15:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Refactor request
Please refactor your comment about me at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Volunteer_Marek_and_MyMoloboaccount. I consider it highly offensive. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- I commented on you? The request is on VM and Molobo. Skäpperöd (talk) 19:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- As you have identified the main offending comment on my talk, I consider the above question moot. Moving on. First, the ArbCom never identified me or anyone as a leader, ringleader, or such, so your assertion to the contrary is a false accusation. Second, you have no right to demand information about anything related to my off wiki life, and considering the harassment I was subject to during and in the aftermath of EEML, including viscous outing attack pages (if you are not aware of them, ArbCom is), I don't feel like discussing anything related to the said off wiki life on Wikipedia. In the spirit of good faith and collaboration, I will give you my word that from the very beginning of the EEML case, the mailing list ceased to be used for any purposes which were (or could be) the subject of the ArbCom criticism. Now, unless you can present any evidence that would demonstrate EEML continued engagement in any form of disruptive on-wiki activities, I ask that you refactor your AE statement(s) to account for that lack of proof. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- I would be a lot happier if you had just told me that the EEML is gone for good, but well. You have to consider also the harassment of my person by the EEML and the role you played in that. With tons of AGF, I have removed you from my statement. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Refactor please
Per this injunction by Newyorkbrad [28] please remove any mentions of my former username accordingly.VolunteerMarek 20:27, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
- No. NYB's comment was neither an injunction, nor is that really an issue anymore since you openly declared your former username as recently as 26 Jun 2012. See [29]. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
- It's not about "me declaring my former username" (it's no secret). It's about you using my former username as an intimidation tactic. Newyorkbrad's precise wording was "Skäpperöd, from now on please refer to Volunteer Marek on-wiki only by his current username. This appears to be a reasonable request on his part given the history and circumstances." The part about "given the circumstances" is referring to the fact that you spread my personal details around Wikipedia. Look, it's simple. You were explicitly asked not to use my former username. You were explicitly asked, by an arbitrator to only refer to me by my current name. There was no "unless VM mentions it somewhere" clause in there. Your refusal bespeaks of your entrenched battleground mentality and the personal vendetta you have against me (which is why you were asked this in the first place).VolunteerMarek 08:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Request for enforcement - Volunteer Marek and MyMoloboaccount
Hi,
I noticed that you opened a request for enforcement against Volunteer Marek and MyMoloboaccount. I'm not an expert regarding all these Wiki dispute resolutions, but I've seen that you complained about several of Volunteer Mareks references which do not support the sentences referenced. Maybe it's interesting for you to know that I experienced exactly the same with MyMoloboaccount. I listed all differences on the talk page here. Maybe it helps you somehow. Karasek (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, recently I've made some edits in the article Pomerelia. I've noticed that the history of Pomerania is your favorite topic, but does it include the history of Gdańsk Pomerania as well? If so I would be glad if you, for the old times sake, had a look at my recent edits and perhaps add some things that I did not mention. The article was, at the start, written very poorly and there were parts written in a manner of some 19th century German historians, who tried to justify German presence in the east in every possible way. This was very similar to methods used by some Polish historians, who had no doubt about 100% Polishness of the whole of the Recovered territories after 1945. :)
I used reliable sources and took some parts from other sourced Wikipedia articles. But I do not possess a detailed history of Gdańska Pomerania and me basing mostly on Andrzej Chwalba's History of Poland may not be enough. It has however some interesting details that may interest you. His research led him to a conclusion that Gdańsk Pomerania was reconquered by Poland in 1116 and not as it was previously thought, in 1119 (p.45) He also puts the conquest of Szczecin and Wolin Pomerania into 1119 (earlier scholars usually agreed on 1121-1123) (p. 45).
Hope to hear from you soon. Best wishes Opole.pl (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
- Nice to hear from you again! I see you used Chwalba, but I think you got the title wrong (it should be Kalendarium dziejów Polski and , not historii, and was Chwalba really the author or just the one who lent his name to the edition, redakcja naukowa is ambiguous in this respect ;)
- Concerning the dates, overview works often don't give the primary sources for their findings, but in the case of Boleslaw's campaign in Pomerania there is eg Gallus Anonymus, who describes (and exaggerates, it is a work written as praise) the events until 1113; then there is a Polish chronicle extending to 1119 that is unfortunately lost, but fortunately in part copied to the annals of the Holy Cross and Cracow; the first one is called either Annales Cracovienses vetusti or Rocznik Swietokrzyski dawny or Rocznik Dawny (depends on edition, either in MGH or MPH), the second one is, at least in the MPH edition I linked, called Rocznik kapitulny krakowski.
- Now both of these annales contain the information from the lost annals up to 1119, and that last entry for 1119 is a campaign into Pomerania. The Holy Cross annals, but not the Cracow Chapter annals have another entry for 1122 reading Zuetopolc dux Odrensis interfectus est, and the question is what historians make of that. The mainstream is that 1119 was the start of the campaign, and 1122 the end, because the 1122 can be cross-referenced with the Vitae Ottonis written on the basis of written and eyewitness accounts from the 1124-1128 missions of Otto from Bamberg, and they talk eg about the sack of Stettin in the winter and of the battles having taken place three years prior to Otto's arrival, so the conquest of the Oder mouth in the winter of 1121/22 sounds reasonable; also, Boleslaw paid the tribute for Pomerania to the emperor for 12 years in 1135 (and 1116 for Pomerelia and 1121/2 for Pomerania is indeed what you will find in almost any book about this topic).
- What I found problematic on a first glance was the sentence "1123 Polish rule reaches the island of Rugia" - this is pure speculation. It derives from a very very bold interpretation of one sentence in the Traski annals, reading for 1123 Boleslaus tercius mare transivit et castra obtinuit, which can mean any waterbody and any castrum, and there are a variety of interpretations reaching from traveling to Denmark to crusading in the Holy Land (see eg here, but there are even more theories afaik), so I'd like to remove that sentence. Also, there were several disputes concerning Pomerelia in the 13th century that are missing (eg Denmark, Wratislaw vs Mestwin, Brandenburg), but I won't have time to really get into that now, perhaps in a week or so. And I don't right now know exactly what literature there is that can be used - the kalendarium you used is a good start, but may be weak when it comes to details which are important for regional, but not for Polish history.
- I will not be online over the weekend, and probably not or only sporadicly thereafter, but maybe the information above already helps you, and I am looking forward to work with you on that (or something else) as soon as I have more time. Regards Skäpperöd (talk) 17:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes It's "Kalendarium". I didn't want to get into translation of this title but I can try. It's something like "chronicle of history of Poland". "Dzieje" basicly means "history". :) Chwalaba gives his name, and the one who's in charge of the Medieval period is prof. Krzysztof Stopka - Medieval historian and the current director of the Jagiellonian University Museum. He have most likely taken into account all those Medieval documents that are stored in Kraków - the town where he works (on page 46 he actually writes about Rocznik dawny previously known as Rocznik świętokrzyski dawny). At lest the second date is noncontroversial. When it comes to the other one we can write about these two options. Stopka writes that trdaitionally, historians thought that this campaign started in 1121 but in his opinion it's 1119. He must have done some extra research, because noone would say such a thing lightly. :) The case of Rugia and, as Stopka calls it, the northern byoder (zaodrze) - territories west of Odra - can also be described as possible but not deffinitive. Besides there is nothing there about anexing Rugia but just reaching the island. If I wrote that there was a Polish rule over Rugia then that is an honest mistake and I will alter it at once. :)
When it comes to Danemark and Brandenburg claims that's something I left for you. There was little when I started (I added some but not as much as about Poland) but I have nothing detailed about it, because my sources concentrate on the Polish influences there. I trust you have something that tells more about Danes and Brandenburgians. Contact me on my talk page when you are avaliable Opole.pl (talk) 20:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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Your request at WP:AE needs participation
Your AE request is no longer getting much participation, and it seems possible that it may be closed with no action, or with just a warning to some of the parties. The aspect that concerns me is how to ensure that progress can be made at articles such as Königsberg. With this in mind I proposed a negotiated agreement on 24 August. (See WP:AE#Statement by EdJohnston). The parties who would need to negotiate are yourself, Volunteer Marek and MyMoloboaccount. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your recent comment in the AE. It appears to me that your complaint could have a germ of a real issue, but the discussion is unlikely to converge on any vigorous admin action. There is an underlying problem with the correct editing of the Baltic articles according to WP:NPOV and WP:CONSENSUS. The information you supplied in the complaint is not focused well enough on this problem for admins to do much with it. Both sides of the dispute have bitterly complained about the conduct of the other side. I would strike out most of these complaints, if I had free reign to edit the request. I would also want to see details of the edit history at Königsberg and the other articles, showing that VM and MyMoloboAccount have actually prevented progress. (There appears to be a lack of regular dispute resolution about these articles, a thing which ought to take place prior to AE. It would make a difference if you could show that you yourself were interested in dispute resolution but the others would not participate). Unless Seraphimblade has some time to investigate this AE in the near future, I suspect it will be closed with no admin action. I have some ideas of how the participants can go forward which I would put in the closure. Of course this is subject to commentary by other admins if they want to express an opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 04:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I have not focussed my report on NPOV since (a) I would have expected the usual "content dispute, no admin action required," and (b) what bothered me much more than that was that I received a shithead mail per wikipedia, and the behavior that followed by the sender and the other person named in the mail, both of whom have a history of harrassing me. I would have thought that this is not going to be tolerated, and I am disappointed that it seemingly is. If you think that the evidence provided is not sufficient to force them to disengage from me, and don't want the case to drag on eternally (me neither!), I at least want a close that reflects the issues raised, i.e.
- VM has violated NPA when he sent me a wikimail calling me a shithead and with this "lying your ass off" etc comment (in the evidence).
- VM has violated 3RR (diffs in the evidence: 31 Jul 6:52 reverted this, 31 Jul 14:54 reverted this, 31 Jul 16:41 reverted this, 1 Aug 6:16 reverted this). The finding should also include a mention of the preceding 3RR violation by VM that Magog the Ogre already confirmed on 27 July (diff from Estlandia's comment).
- at least a *raise eyebrows* to Molobo's sudden return as outlined in the evidence in context with VM's mail; probably a comment that Molobo's reverts violated his requirement to discuss reverts.
That is the minimum I'd expect to be noted in the closing comment as unacceptable, whatever admin action follows or not. I think these are clear-cut issues without much room for interpretation. In addition, I had liked to see the various accusations against me dropped after evaluation by the admins, but this will take more time and I don't see atm that this is going to happen.
What do you think? Skäpperöd (talk) 13:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
- Your AE complaint is being archived until such time as User:Volunteer Marek returns to editing. In my opinion, you should be able to resume editing articles on Baltic places such as Königsberg so long as you make reasonable efforts to find consensus. If VM is not active there he will not be an obstacle to your work. User:MyMoloboaccount is not currently active either; he has been away from Wikipedia since August 6. EdJohnston (talk) 22:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
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Vorroerk
Hi,
I was studying some old maps of my hometown - Opole - and I found a name of one district "Kandzioras Vro.". The name Kandzioras is a germanized form of a surname Kędziora (the guy still lives nearby). The abbreviation Vro. stands for "Vorroerk", but what does it mean? Google translator suggests its in afrikaans but has no translation neither in German nor in the language of the South African colonists. Do you have any idea what Vorroerk means?
Best wishes Opole.pl (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hey,
- It sounds like a corruption/misreading/misspelling of "Vorwerk," the abbreviation would then be "Vw." - "w" and "ro" look extremely similar in old print and Sütterlin handwriting. Vorwerk is a very common historical denotation of villages or village units, which may or may not have another name. Vorwerk, sometimes also spelled "Vorwerck," literally means "foreworks." Back when large estates were owned by nobles/junkers, the area of the estate often was to large to run them as one economical unit, so they were split into several independently working units, called "Vorwerke" (pl. of Vorwerk). In the approximate center of each unit were the houses of the peasants working on the respective Vorwerk's fields, these houses often were formerly independent villages which at some time had been added to the noble's estate (--> Bauernlegen, I don't know if there is an English term for that), and thus kept their name with sometimes "Vorwerk" added as a denotatation, or "Hof I," "Hof II" etc. Hope that helps ... Skäpperöd (talk) 07:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- Here is a Kandzioras descendant saying Kandziorowie pochodzą z okolic Opola, posiadali nawet swego czasu folwark w okolicy obecnego Zaodrza i wciąż licznie mieszkają w mieście i podopolskich miejscowościach / Kandzioras stamm(en) aus der Gegend um Oppeln ab, sie besaßen sogar mal ein Vorwerk in der Nähe des jetzigen Odervorstadt und leben immer noch zahlreich in der Stadt wie auch in den Dörfern drum herum." So if your Kandzioras Vorwerk is near the Oder suburb, that should be it. Skäpperöd (talk) 07:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
- That's it. Thanks a lot. I was looking at that map for a long time and had a hint that it could be "Vorwerk" but "w" looked so much like "or" that I was not sure and thought that perhaps its some old and now unused German word of some sort. Opole.pl (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
DDR Sprache
The GDR was known for its Orwellian use of the German language – here is a good example-DDR Sprache - Sachsen Dialekt [30]
I am just another wiseguy from Brooklyn who studied German in school, you will understand better than I.--Woogie10w (talk) 20:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
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Carlsen
Flådens Historie -website Flådens officerer
Carlsen, Friderich Christian Marcus -Birth 1655 --Mike Majewski (talk) 15:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you, but http://www.navalhistory.dk/danish/officererne/officerslister/officerer_c.htm says
- Carlsen, Friderich Christian Marcus - født 1755
- and I am looking for a Carlsen/Carlson who died in 1713... Skäpperöd (talk) 15:49, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Vielen Dank
Mange Tak, Thank you for the Guidance Barnstar - it is good to see your article progressing well. If any other Danish Naval Officer comes under your scrutiny, just ask for the relevant pages from Topsøe-Jensen. Viking1808 (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
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″Problematic map″
Hey, Skäp, would you like to comment on the discussion on a 'problematic map'? Regards, Miacek and his crime-fighting dog (woof!) 11:52, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Paper chase
Hello Skäpperöd, it looks as though I'm playing paper chase with My best wishes/Hodja Nasreddin/Biophys and quoted you but had to guess and search. What do you mean by "were found tag teaming"? --walkeetalkee 15:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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All accounts you mentioned as tag-teaming in Aug 2012 and what I quoted showed up as night fell, all of them, all voting, all attacking me (the only ones who ever attacked me), making the paper chase more frightening. Volunteer Marek alleged he appeared because his name was mentioned. So, aside from your tag-teaming argument it could (also) be Hanako-san ghosts.--walkeetalkee 13:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
AN inclusion
That was not a useful contribution, even if you collapsed it. Links to the source materials are more appropriate.
I would appreciate it if you reconsidered and truncate your own submission there, reducing it to links to what it came from.
Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
DRN dispute
Hi there, just to let you know I have opened your DRN case for discussion. Thanks, Cabe6403 (Talk•Sign) 12:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
If you have access to an academic library you should be able to read the electronic version of the New Cambridge Medieval History. I am now reading the Cambridge History of China at the NY Public Library. The Cambridge Histories are the Bible of historians. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 00:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I have access to that book, but I don't agree with the 'bible for historians' bit. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I just submitted a request for Das historische Pommern : Personen, Orte, Ereignisse / von Roderich Schmidt and Die Slawen in Deutschland : Joachim Herrmann. Both books should be available by Saturday. Lets see what German historians have said about Boloslaw campaigns. Please understand my POV. I was an Accountant for over thirty years. All of my work was under constant scrutiny by government auditors, banks and above all the owners of the firm.--Woogie10w (talk) 18:07, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I can provide you with the respective citations right now, but I prefer to keep that off DRN as this is unnecessarily derailing the discussion. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Herrmann p. 384: "Etwa gleichzeitig nahm der polnische Feudalstaat unter Boleslaw Schiefmund (1102—1138) seine expansionistische Politik gegenüber den Pomoranen, d. h. in Richtung Ostseeküste und Odermündung, und auch gegen die mittleren Odergebiete wieder auf. Boleslaw eroberte 1121/22 Stettin (Szczecin), unterwarf Herzog [p. 385] Wartislaw und Pommern der polnischen Oberhoheit und zwang den Pommernfürsten, für sich und sein Land das Christentum anzunehmen. Weitere Eroberungszüge gegen die Lutizen haben Boleslaw bis an die Müritz geführt.[15] Ergebnis der gleichzeitigen Expansion des polnischen Staates Richtung Westen war die wohl 1123/24 erfolgte Gründung des Bistums Lebus." Ref 15 is on p. 552, a reference to the fisherman story in Ebo III/4.
- Schmidt, p. 113: "Nachdem der Polen-hzg. Boleslaw III. einen Kriegszug in das Gebiet der Lutizen (bis zur Müritz) unternommen und im Oderraum Stettin 1121/22 erobert hatte, mußte sich Wartislaw I. zur Tributleistung, Heeresfolge und Annahme des Christentums verpflichten. Er bewahrte aber seine Selbständigkeit. Indem er seinerseits lutiz. Gebiete bis an die Peene (Demmin) gewann, erweiterte er seine Herrschaft über das pomoran. Stammesgebiet hinaus und lockerte allmähl. seine Abhängigkeit von Polen, da der lutiz. Raum zum Markengebiet des dt. Reiches gehörte."
- Skäpperöd (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)