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DYK for Isaac Komnenos (son of John II)

On 1 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Isaac Komnenos (son of John II), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that though Isaac Komnenos was his oldest surviving son, John II Komnenos chose Isaac's younger brother Manuel to succeed him as Byzantine emperor? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Isaac Komnenos (son of John II). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Isaac Komnenos (son of John II)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

EOI, Second Edition

Hey Cplakidas, could you send me this entry when you have time?[1] - LouisAragon (talk) 17:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Forgot to add; going for a full rewrite of Istakhr. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:40, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi LouisAragon, I've got something even better, please check your email! Constantine ✍ 09:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot!! My sincerest thanks! One minor thing; could you perhaps send the Atlas of Islam as a different file? Its the only one I couldn't download/open, for some reason. No hurry of course! - LouisAragon (talk) 23:27, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Please try again LouisAragon. Constantine ✍ 10:21, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Got it this time! - LouisAragon (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #031, 01 May 2019

Back to the drawing board

Implementation of the new portal design has been culled back almost completely, and the cull is still ongoing. The cull has also affected portals that existed before the development of the automated design.

Some of the reasons for the purge are:

• Portals receive insufficient traffic, making it a waste of editor resources to maintain them, especially for narrow-scope or "micro" portals
• The default {{bpsp}} portals are redundant with the corresponding articles, being based primarily on the corresponding navigation footer displayed on each of those articles, and therefore not worth separate pages to do so
• They were mass created

Most of the deletions have been made without prejudice to recreation of curated portals, so that approval does not need to be sought at Deletion Review in those cases.

In addition to new portals being deleted, most of the portals that were converted to an automated design have been reverted.

Which puts us back to portals with manually selected content, that need to be maintained by hand, for the most part, for the time being, and back facing some of the same problems we had when we were at this crossroads before:

• Manually maintained portals are not scalable (they are labor intensive, and there aren't very many editors available to maintain them)
• The builders/maintainers tend to eventually abandon them
• Untended handcrafted portals go stale and fall into disrepair over time

These and other concepts require further discussion. See you at WT:POG.

However, after the purge/reversion is completed, some of the single-page portals might be left, due to having acceptable characteristics (their design varied some). If so, then those could possibly be used as a model to convert and/or build more, after the discussions on portal creation and design guidelines have reached a community consensus on what is and is not acceptable for a portal.

See you at WT:POG.

Curation

A major theme in the deletion discussions was the need for portals to be curated, that is, each one having a dedicated maintainer.

There are currently around 100 curated portals. Based on the predominant reasoning at MfD, it seems likely that all the other portals may be subject to deletion.

See you at WT:POG.

Traffic

An observation and argument that arose again and again during the WP:ENDPORTALS RfC and the ongoing deletion drive of {{bpsp}} default portals, was that portals simply do not get much traffic. Typically, they get a tiny fraction of what the corresponding like-titled articles get.

And while this isn't generally considered a good rationale for creation or deletion of articles, portals are not articles, and portal critics insist that traffic is a key factor in the utility of portals.

The implication is that portals won't be seen much, so wouldn't it be better to develop pages that are?

And since such development isn't limited to editing, almost anything is possible. If we can't bring readers to portals, we could bring portal features, or even better features, to the readers (i.e., to articles)...

Some potential future directions of development

Quantum portals?

An approach that has received some brainstorming is "quantum portals", meaning portals generated on-the-fly and presented directly on the view screen without any saved portal pages. This could be done by script or as a MediaWiki program feature, but would initially be done by script. The main benefits of this is that it would be opt-in (only those who wanted it would install it), and the resultant generated pages wouldn't be saved, so that there wouldn't be anything to maintain except the script itself.

Non-portal integrated components

Another approach would be to focus on implementing specific features independently, and provide them somewhere highly visible in a non-portal presentation context (that is, on a page that wasn't a portal that has lots of traffic, i.e., articles). Such as inserted directly into an article's HTML, as a pop-up there, or as a temporary page. There are scripts that use these approaches (providing unrelated features), and so these approaches have been proven to be feasible.

What kind of features could this be done with?

The various components of the automated portal design are transcluded excerpts, news, did you know, image slideshows, excerpt slideshows, and so on.

Some of the features, such as navigation footers and links to sister projects are already included on article pages. And some already have interface counterparts (such as image slideshows). Some of the rest may be able to be integrated directly via script, but may need further development before they are perfected. Fortunately, scripts are used on an opt-in basis, and therefore wouldn't affect readers-in-general and editors-at-large during the development process (except for those who wanted to be beta testers and installed the scripts).

The development of such scripts falls under the scope of the Javascript-WikiProject/Userscript-department, and will likely be listed on Wikipedia:User scripts/List when completed enough for beta-testing. Be sure to watchlist that page.

Where would that leave curated portals?

Being curated. At least for the time being.

New encyclopedia program features will likely eventually render most portals obsolete. For example, the pop-up feature of MediaWiki provides much the same functionality as excerpts in portals already, and there is also a slideshow feature to view all the images on the current page (just click on any image, and that activates the slideshow). Future features could also overlap portal features, until there is nothing that portals provide that isn't provided elsewhere or as part of Wikipedia's interface.

But, that may be a ways off. Perhaps months or years. It depends on how rapidly programmers develop them.

Keep on keepin' on

The features of Wikipedia and its articles will continue to evolve, even if Portals go by the wayside. Most, if not all of portals' functionality, or functions very similar, will likely be made available in some form or other.

And who knows what else?

No worries.

Until next issue...    — The Transhumanist   01:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Septinsular Republic: end in 1807, 1814, 1815?

Γεια σου!

I notice that you rewrote parts of Septinsular Republic and other article mentioning an end in 1807 rather than 1814 (British occupation of Corfu) or 1815 (establishment of the subsequent constitution of the United States of the Ionian Islands). I think that this is debatable, and I seem to have always seen in sources I read about the period that they consider the Septinsular Republic to include the Imperial French period. I did not immediately look for sources for this claim, but we need to debate that.

In this diff comment, you write: while some of the forms of the Republic's administration were preserved by the French, as a state it was disbanded in 1807. The main argument for that is the actions of the first governor César Berthier upon his arrival in Corfu in terms of hosting the flag etc. It is quite clear that Napoléon disapproved vocally of these actions (I remember reading it in his correspondance with his brother Joseph, then King of Naples, a key player in this action, albeit a primary source). It is quite clear that the islands were never annexed by France, and never considered part of the 130 departments of the First French Empire (see the contemporary map of the greatest extent of the Empire at that page). They were clearly under the control of France, politically and militarily (except the islands occupied by Britain), but I wouldn't say that the state was dissolved or integrated or annexed to France. After all, many other states and territories were occupied or made into clients of France at this time, without being annexed, especially in the Italian peninsula or Germany. The civilian institutions of the Republic, and most importantly the Senate, seem to have been held in great respect by French occupiers.

The best would be to gather opinion of secondary sources on the issue. I have some at home, but I will be away for a week.

At least one most interesting quote gathered by a first rapid search:

• Jean Savant, Napoléon et les Grecs, Sous les Aigles impériales, 1970 , p. 15 (one of the major academic publications dedicated to this topic) : En 1808, les Septinsulaires lui envoient une députation composée de quelques sénateurs et de notables des Iles. Ils soumettent à Napoléon divers projets pour l'amélioration de la condition des Grecs de l'Heptanèse et en vue des progrès à faire accomplir au pays... Both words Septinsulaires and pays (country) are clearly used to describe the Ionian Islands.
• Another major work about the French period, Nos anciens à Corfou; souvenirs de l'aide-major Lamare-Picquot (1807-1814), consistently refers to Berthier as "gouverneur" or "gouverneur général" (a military title), and consistently refers to the period as """notre occupation" . However, this could be considered to be a primary source, even written long after the facts.

Did you find a source which could describe ore precisely the status of the islands during this period? Place Clichy (talk) 18:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Place Clichy! I myself hesitated before making that change, but in the end it was inevitable. The Greek sources I have are unanimous that the Republic ended in 1807, as a seaparate state with its own legal identity and as a subject of international relations. After that the islands were a sui generis part of the French Empire, as seen both by Berthier's actions as well as the substance of French rule under Donzelot. As to the continuationo of the institutions, tgat was nominal: the Senate was appointed and hence no longer representative, and all decisions lay in French hands. The continued use of Septinsular as a political and geographic term does not mean the survival of the Republic, rather that it was the new common term for referring to the islands. I'll expand on that, and create an article on the second French occupation, over the coming days. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 21:37, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John Tzelepes Komnenos

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article John Tzelepes Komnenos you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 12:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for John IV of Ohrid

On 9 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article John IV of Ohrid, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the 12th-century archbishop of Ohrid John IV was born as a Byzantine prince of the Komnenos dynasty? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/John IV of Ohrid. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, John IV of Ohrid), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I noticed this little gem on the main page yesterday. Obviously I didn't even have to look to know that it was one of yours. Good work. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

John Tzelepes Komnenos

Any knowledge or preferences as to whether I should file this at GAs under J or K? Gog the Mild (talk) 09:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gog the Mild, I think under "K" for his last name, no? AFAIK from the usual practice, only monarchs get to be sorted by their first name... Could be wrong though. Constantine ✍ 14:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

That's what I was about to do, then noticed that a lot of articles were listed by first name, so thought that I would check. If we both agree, how can we possibly be wrong? :) Gog the Mild (talk) 14:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I think we are simply overthinking it :) Constantine ✍ 14:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Possibly. But on closer scrutiny, the only exception to listing by first name is one of yours which I assessed and put there. So I have decided not to rock the boat. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

On reflection, the listing is probably not done by first name as such, but in alphabetical order of the article title, which in such a list arguably makes sense: the GA lists are not only about biographies, they are simply collections of articles about all kinds of subjects that have reached a certain status. Constantine ✍ 15:02, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of John Tzelepes Komnenos

The article John Tzelepes Komnenos you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:John Tzelepes Komnenos for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gog the Mild -- Gog the Mild (talk) 09:42, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Dihya

Hey Cplakidas, how are you?

As you're interested in Roman/Byzantine and Arabic history. I thought you could change this article's condition. The historical person in question is surrounded by mystery and historical misinterpretations (some of them were to push political agendas). One of the recent reliable sources about this subject is Modéran 2005. Kind Regards --TheseusHeLl (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi TheseusHeLl, thanks for the pointer. This is definitely a topic where I want to get active, but right now I lack both time and knowledge about it. I've just recently gotten some books on the Arab conquest of the Maghreb, but haven't yet found the time to go through them, and even then I would sorely lack knowledge about the Berbers, so that I cannot really make a balanced judgment of the accuracy or even completeness of the sources. Just translating/incorporating Moderan, when the article also lists a number of other sources, would not do it justice. I do promise to keep an eye on it, though, should I find something relevant and feel more confident about my grasp of the topic's context. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 07:00, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of Portal:Umayyad Caliphate

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Congratulations from the Military History Project

		The Military history A-Class medal with swords
		On behalf of the Military History Project, I am proud to present the A-Class medal with Swords for Battle of Hulao, Battle of Petroe, and Battle of Andrassos Zawed (talk) via MilHistBot (talk) 00:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Thirty nine A class articles! That is impressive. Congratulations. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

A potentially interesting source

Hi Constantine. I have come across a PDF of "Naval Warfare: Military, Institutional and Economic Aspects", a chapter from Y. Stouraitis, A Companion to the Byzantine Culture of War, 300-1204, Leiden / Boston, 2018. Let me know if you would like me to email you a copy. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:15, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gog the Mild, yes, I'd definitely be interested, especially as Stouraitis is one of the few authors dealing with the Byzantine military specifically. Thank you very much! Constantine ✍ 11:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Sent. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Received :) Constantine ✍ 11:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

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Problems to be resolved with the Basil II article

In the past you have said that the article on Basil II still needs improvement. Perhaps you can tell me what its flaws are and we can try to improve it. Векочел (talk) 20:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

As I've said many times before, there is not a list of items to fix; the problems are structural. The article needs an overhaul top to bottom, with addition of much more detail than is there, possibly a restructuring of the sections to re-balance the chronological division with the thematical one, and much more depth of coverage and especially context and analysis from modern scholarly sources. Which is also why I can't really find the time to do this properly right now, especially since reworking an extant article is more difficult than writing up one from scratch. I will try to get myself to attack it bit by bit... Constantine ✍ 20:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Zawila

Hey cplakidas,

I know you're still working on the Fatimid army article. There is an entry about the zawila town and its population in the encyclopaedia of islam ed2, volume XI, p:466. -TheseusHeLl (talk) 23:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot TheseusHeLl, that's very helpful! Constantine ✍ 06:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

It's nothing. You're doing stupendous work in wikipedia (the other one is Al Ameer Son). -TheseusHeLl (talk) 07:54, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words :) Constantine ✍ 07:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Pericharaxis

If you are up for a challenge, could you expand Pericharaxis using the Greek sources? I can only command a basic level of Greek - certainly not up to doing the job (I'll stick with the Spanish, Italian, and Catalan translations :)). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Ariarathes I of Cappadocia

Hey I just nominated this one for GA. Any thoughts/suggestions? Would appreciate any input. - LouisAragon (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi LouisAragon, this looks interesting, I will do the GA review myself. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 08:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Oh, damn. A cursory look would be good enough really. You're a gem! - LouisAragon (talk) 19:49, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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Isaurian dynasty template

Hi Constantine. I hope that you are keeping well. I came across the template below, which I think is one of yours. Whether it is or not, "with Constantine V as co-emperor, 720–751"; should that be '720–741'? Thanks Gog the Mild (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Gog the Mild, you are right, of course. Thanks for pointing it out. Constantine ✍ 06:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Hours of Louis XII

Should be ok now. Thanks Johnbod (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Ways to improve Diateichisma

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Muhammad II of Granada and sources

Thank you again for the GA review. Re sources, yes, I'm very much interested in sources talking about the Nasrid Granada period. In the near future, I'm thinking of bringing Muhammad II to FA and then work on his son Muhammad III too. I have access to Kennedy's Muslim Spain and Portugal (as well as other sources I listed in Muhammad I, II, and III), but it seems you have other interesting sources. I can moderately read Spanish. HaEr48 (talk) 02:19, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi HaEr48, that's great. I've got the work I cited, the Historia General de al-Andalus by Emilio González Ferrín, and the C. H. Beck Wissen series Das Maurische Spanien (in German). I can definitely look at Muhammad III, and perhaps assist with the maps as well. Constantine ✍ 06:49, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. For the maps, do you mean that the borders and the conquest dates will need sources in FA review? HaEr48 (talk) 05:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, a map is just like any other piece of information included in the article, it needs to have good and reliable sources. It will need to reference existing maps and/or information otherwise summarized in published literature and used to make this map. Constantine ✍ 14:27, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I added some refs to File:Reino de Granada.svg. By the way there seems to be a mistake in the date for Huelma: the sources (e.g. O'Callaghan 2014, p. 52) say it's 1438, but the map says 1348 (probably a typo). Do you know how to edit the svg file to fix it? I tried but it's not as easy as editing a png or jpg file :) HaEr48 (talk) 13:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Fixed it for you. Looks much better and more credible now, well done. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 14:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Just curious, did you use any software to do it? Anyway, did you find anything major in your sources that's missed by Muhammad II of Granada? I'm thinking of putting it up for FAC, but checking to see if something needs to be worked on first. HaEr48 (talk) 23:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I used Inkscape, it's pretty much the go-to software for vector graphics. On Muhammad II, I didn't find anything really major missing, but I am not sure about pushing it to FA yet. The article is a very good generalist overview, but my hunch, based on my experience in similar cases, is that there are a lot more specialist sources about both the man and specific aspects (political, administrative, financial, cultural) of his reign, most likely in the form of articles in journals. As with any ruler who reigned for so long, information about him must include information about his realm at the time. Off the top of my head, a few things I would ask if this came to FAC would be: Who were Muhammad's viziers, chief ministers, and main military commanders? What were the finances of his realm like at the time? Are there more details about his family (wife/wives and children)? How big was the native Granadan army compared to the Volunteers? Is there anything more about Granada's relationship with the Italian republics? In other words, some of the content in 'Evaluation of rule' could easily be expanded and provided with a sufficient context into a 'Domestic developments' section, leaving only the actual effect and long-term impact of his policies for the 'Evaluation' section. Constantine ✍ 07:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the pointers. I'll try to find sources and work in that direction. It's hard to find journal articles about his reign, but probably I can get some content in more specialist books. By the way, based on the text you added, Carrasco Manchado seems to have some discussion about the domestic aspect of his reign (administrative reform, reason for his epithet, his preference for poetry and learned men). Is there more? If yes, may I trouble you to send me some relevant pages? HaEr48 (talk) 07:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, checking again in case you missed the above question about whether your source has more discussion about the domestic aspect of Muhammad II's reign. HaEr48 (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi HaEr48, indeed I had not noticed your message. There is nothing in the relevant section, although it definitely hints at more. I'll have a look whether other, thematical sections of the book cover this in more detail, but as I am abroad this will happen sometime next week. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 09:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Relief of Qasr al-Bahili

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Thanks for your red link insertion.Md iet (talk) 05:26, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Question about Spyridon Mavrogenis

I started an article on a Greek Ottoman doctor named Spyridon Mavrogenis. Apparently there was a "Spyridon Mavrogenis" who wrote "The Life of Constantin Carathéodory" - https://anemi.lib.uoc.gr/metadata/e/e/6/metadata-455-0000004.tkl - I wonder if it's the same guy WhisperToMe (talk) 00:20, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi WhisperToMe, yes it is the same person. The cover lists his titles as follows: chief physician and personal physician to HM the Sultan, senator, Grand Cordon of the Osmaniye and Medjidie orders, knight of the two Ottoman medals for merit (probably the Order of Distinction, I don't know which the second one would be), Grand Cross of the Imperial-Royal Order of the Iron Crown, the Royal Swedish order of Vasa, the Persian order of the Sun and the Lion, Commander of the Royal Belgian order of Leopold, Dr. Med. of the University of Vienna, honorary professor of pathology and clinical practice of the Constantinople Medical School, honorary member and twice chairman of the Constantinople Medical Society, ordinary member and twice chairman of the Greek Literary Society of Constantinople, corresponding member of the Algerian Climate Society, etc. etc. Constantine ✍ 09:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Emirs of Sicily

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University of Constantinople?

I started Imperial School of Medicine which is where Spyridon Mavrogenis taught. Anyhow looking through Google Books results:

Journal of the American Medical Association, Volume 79. American Medical Association, 1922. p. 646 refers to a "University of Constantinople" but it doesn't seem to be the same as University of Constantinople. Is it University of Istanbul? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:23, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Also another idea: it would be good to have French stubs/articles written on some of these subjects, such as the imperial medical school, the Mavrogenis family, etc. as well as turn-of-the-century Greek subjects as French was the major "foreign language" in both the Ottoman Empire and Greece at the time, as well as the pan-Christian language. I only have a basic level of French and don't know which French speakers are really interested in the subject, but it would be something to think about. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi WhisperToMe. University of Constantinople is a modern historiographic term for a Byzantine-era institution, and entirely different from the University of Istanbul. On the French articles, User:Phso2 and User:Place Clichy might be interested. Constantine ✍ 17:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I'll ask Phso2 and Clichy. Anyhow the list from the American Medical Association seems to be a list of currently-operating universities at that time, not a Byzantine historical list, so I'm not sure why the AMA chose that name. I wonder if the AMA in particular was referring to the University of Istanbul... (which would have had a different name) WhisperToMe (talk) 17:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, upon reading it again I see I did not make my reply very clear: the 1922 source obviously refers to the modern institution, i.e. University of Istanbul which at the time would have been known as "University of Constantinople" to Westerners. So yes, the institution referenced in 1922 is the University of Istanbul. Constantine ✍ 17:59, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll add a disambig link and cite the page on the article on the University of Istanbul WhisperToMe (talk) 18:08, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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'Amr ibn Imru' al-Qays (Lakhmids)

Hi Constantine

You don't happen to have any source regarding 'Amr ibn Imru' al-Qays (or the Lakhmids as a whole for that matter)? I know his father switched his allegiance to the Romans, but I can't seem to find any source about the former. According to his article the Lakhmids once again became Sasanian vassals under him, but it's unsourced. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi HistoryofIran, the only sources I have are Shahid's Byzantium and the Arabs, which focus more on the Byzantine clients. Constantine ✍ 07:10, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Relief of Qasr al-Bahili

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DYK for Sarjun ibn Mansur

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