User talk:Devokewater

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September 2019

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Flookburgh, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 20:50, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Ways to improve Gare de Marseille-Blancarde

Thanks for creating Gare de Marseille-Blancarde.

A New Page Patroller Meatsgains just tagged the page as having some issues to fix, and wrote this note for you:

consider providing reliable sources to strengthen the page's verifiability.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can reply over here and ping me. Or, for broader editing help, you can talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

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Thank you Devokewater (talk) 08:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Norman Nicholson Society moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Norman Nicholson Society, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Hitro talk 17:37, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Norman Nicholson Society

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it's vs. its Comment

Hi, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! I wanted to draw your attention to this edit correcting your error. There are others on parish articles. Please understand that "it's" is a contraction of "it is". Whenever it's is used, substitution of "it is" should make sense. The word "its" is a possessive denoting ownership as in "its head" or "its thoughts".

Actually, it's should almost never be used as stated in the manual of style: "Missing letters are replaced by an apostrophe in multiple-word contractions. Contractions should not be used in Wikipedia." Thus, occurrences of "it's" should be replaced by "it is". Just a heads up! --LilHelpa (talk) 18:51, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey

Hey Devoke, how is things on your side of Wikipedia. I am just telling you that you might have to watch this YouTube video as that is the reason why the vandalism started. Video HawkAussie (talk) 08:34, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Very entertaining Devokewater (talk) 11:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

At least you wouldn't get bored. But I will say, I'm sorry as a fellow fan of that channel that the vandals have come and basically made the page self-protected. HawkAussie (talk) 22:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes they have been very active Devokewater (talk) 22:05, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Hopefully with the semi-protection of the article, that should at least deter people away from editing the article. I hope. HawkAussie (talk) 22:52, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mark Jenkinson

The article Mark Jenkinson has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Cahk (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Cahk why do you want to delete Mark Jenkinson ? he is a notable person being an MP your proposed deletion seem a bit odd. Devokewater (talk) 19:18, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Mark Jenkinson moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Mark Jenkinson, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please follow the prompts on the Articles for Creation template atop the page. ... discospinster _talk 20:34, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

discospinster delete this draft Mark Jenkinson is up and running. Devokewater (talk) 19:15, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Skegness

Hi, I have just reverted your edits to Skegness which converted the "Notable people" section from prose into a list. Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements#Notable people states that "Prose is preferred ... More developed articles, especially those which have gone through WP:GA and WP:FA, tend to have this section written out as prose." I am in the middle of overhauling other parts of the page at the minute. —Noswall59 (talk) 13:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

I disagree with this Noswall59, the notable people section looks truly awful, plus it includes many non notables. There should be a seperate wikipage: list of people from Skegness. However you appear to be doing a good job with Skegness I will leave you to it. --Devokewater (talk) 13:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I do intend to come back and do a copyedit of the whole article once I've finished improving the various sections; the whole thing is too long. However, that's easiest to do once the content is all there in the first place; I'll look to trim back the notable people section if I can justify removing material. I'm not sure it looks awful though: it is prosified and split into paragraphs according to sector. —Noswall59 (talk) 14:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

I'll leave it to you,Noswall59 however we should consider splitting it off to its own section (once you've finished your edits), similar to Middlesbrough regards --Devokewater (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks David Biddulph I never intended getting so involved, minor edits were meant to be my forte. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 11:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020: The "Show preview" button is your friend

− − Why make 17 consecutive edits to the same article when fewer would achieve the same result ?

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Tochnog professional reverts

Hi Devokewater, I saw the page history at Tochnog professional and wanted to drop you a message about that. By my count, you have broken the three-revert rule there today, which is a bright-line "don't do that" rule. I certainly understand your motivation, but removing advertising is not one of the exceptions to the three-revert rule. Strictly speaking, violating 3RR should result in you getting blocked for a day or two, but I'm exercising my discretion as an admin and giving you a warning instead - please make yourself aware of the three-revert rule and do not break it again. In the future, if you have problems with a conflict-of-interest editor puffing up a page they wrote, I encourage you to post a message to the conflict-of-interest noticeboard to get outside opinions on the matter (and if other editors agree that whatever is being added shouldn't be added, then there are other people reverting other than you). Please feel free to post on my talk page or ping me here if you have any questions. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Mark Jenkinson

Hi, the 'About Mark Jenkinson' page on his website (which I used as a source for the 'Early life and career' section) states that he was 'Born and raised in the town centre and Northside areas of Workington'. MotorsportFan2012 (talk) 22:05, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi MotorsportFan2012, I read this article too, it never mentions where he was born, however very few people are born in Workington, there're all born in Whitehaven. Regards --Devokewater @ 09:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Stan VanderWerf - Wikipedia Page

Hi! I'm working on the Stan VanderWerf page and wanted to make sure it meets the requirements for Wikipedia. I'm relatively new in contributing to Wikipedia and my interest is in learning how to create good living biography pages. I have worked on medical related pages before this. I hope to create more biographies that can help people find factual information about significant people who are contributing to the community at large. I would greatly appreciate any tips you can give!

I noticed that some of the verbiage used is considered promotional, which I'm adjusting now. I've been reading the guidelines closely and I'm working to make sure that I meet those guidelines in the articles I create.

Currently, I'm working on citations for this page and noticed that there were some problems with local citations. It seems that I need to find more prominent, recognized articles which I'm looking for. I'm also working on links to authoritative websites referencing positions Mr. VanderWerf held and accomplishments.

Mr. VanderWerf is a highly decorated veteran. I'm working now to place his military decorations into the article as factual support.

I would appreciate any tips you can give me to better this article. I'm using other living biographies like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cotton as guides to creating a good biography page.

Is there anything specifically I can be working on to help this page? Your expert opinion is very helpful!

Thank you, for your insight! It's very much appreciated!

PeytonRose (talk) 18:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi PeytonRose at the moment it appears to be PR, plus there is a SPA involved with the editing, this raises red flags. If you ask on the Teahouse you'll find vastly more experienced editors who will assist (companies + places are my forte). I will change my opinion based on your effort. Devokewater @ 18:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Devokewater Yes! I see! Thank you, very much for your help! I noticed the SPA. Looks like a new user who is trying to help out, maybe? I will visit the Teahouse now to get more input on how to make this article as proficient as possible! Thank you, again for your valuable insight! This is very helpful!

PeytonRose (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

KSE - Kirkby Stephen East?

Why did you revert my edit to one with KSE. You put abbreviation but no other railway article has anything like that in them. So what makes Kirkby Stephen East special? KSE is more initials which have no place on the article. If I started adding MANVIC - Manchester Victoria, SHEFVIC - Sheffield Victoria, BAT - Batley, BRUMNST - Birmingham New Street or COV - Coventry. They'd be reverted. So please explain to me why Kirkby Stephen East has [KSE] but no other article does anything similar? Its slang imo RailwayJG (talk) 18:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

RailwayJG every UK railway has a three letter abbreviation, yes you are correct that they are not included on wikipedia, so it's debatable wether to include it here. Regards --Devokewater@ 19:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BlueFocus Communication Group

Given that the nominator at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BlueFocus Communication Group has withdrawn their nomination, perhaps you would reconsider your !vote in the light of the arguments that have been put forward. Thanks, --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:00, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Malcolmxl5 (talk) I've done a strike through, hence removing my vote. Regards --Devokewater@ 15:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

How to prepose a modification to a project purpose?

Hello, I was wondering exactly how I could go about doing this? Naboo64 (talk) 12:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Naboo64 (talk), not too sure what you're asking? Regards --Devokewater (talk) 10:28, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Under the list of projects under religion, one was titled ‘Seventh Day Adventism’ but the better title would be ‘Sabbatarianism’ because that would include more churches with similar beliefs to, but different origins from, Seventh Day Adventism. Naboo64 (talk) 12:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Naboo64 (talk) I would enquire on the talk page or ask in the teahouse --Devokewater (talk) 20:17, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: File:EllenvaleLogo.jpg

Hello Devokewater. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:EllenvaleLogo.jpg, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Only non-free files are eligible for speedy deletion due to being unused. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello and thank you

Hi Devokewater :) Thanks so much for the lovely welcome. I'm really excited about getting more involved on the website. I'll be sure to look more into the suggestions you made. Hope you're having a great weekend! --Bob Dinheiro (talk) 21:47, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Bob Dinheiro (talk) --Devokewater (talk) 10:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ProveIt edits

Hello, is there anyway to prevent the reordering of the parameters in references using this tool as the edits you make cause problems with the diffs and make it difficult to see what the actual edit is. Ideally the tool should only touch references that it makes an actual change in the detail while leaving parameters in the original order so that uses viewing the differences can see what is being changed. Thanks. Keith D (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Keith D (talk) the programme will need to be tweaked, I'll stop using ProveIt until it's fixed. --Devokewater (talk) 20:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks - makes it easier for edit checking. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Qualcomm

Hi Devokewater. Thanks for your edits. I did want to draw your attention to MOS:LEAD which offers a guideline for the introductory section of a page. Because an ideal introductory section summarizes the entire page, it is to be expected that the introduction may repeat content in the body of the page that it is summarizing. "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article."[1] I will not restore the longer Lead on account of my conflict of interest (see my user page) but thought I would bring it to your attention. CorporateM (Talk) 15:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks CorporateM (Talk) I removed some technical jagon that was difficult to understand from the introductory section. It's a USA based company not Chinese, hence I also reverted the Chinese HQ edits. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 13:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Barrow-in-Furness

Not sure if you are aware but Port of Barrow is the port article for the town and has the category:Ports and harbours of Cumbria. Generally the articles about the locality don't hold the Ports and harbours in ... categories. Instead they use category:Port cities and towns of .... categories. In the UK that seems to be based on 'regions' whereas the other cat is delineated by county. The Barrow-in-Furness article really shouldn't have any Ports and Harbours cats when there is a separate article for the port in the town. Fob.schools (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Fob.schools (talk) I'll revert my edit. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 15:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Bruno Turner already has a long bio article in the standard reference work on classical music

The first paragraph can be viewed free at https://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/grovemusic/view/10.1093/gmo/9781561592630.001.0001/omo-9781561592630-e-0000043616?rskey=GoCFIt Therefore the delete rationale is invalid. 08:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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Arguments at AfD

Hi. I regularly close debates at Articles for deletion and I'm concerned by some of your arguments. For example, I relisted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Larimer because "non notable, PR" doesn't tell me anything other than a vague opinion, a similar thing happened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khosla Ventures where you just said "not notable", and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XCore Architecture went with other arguments instead of "per non, technical manual" (we have articles on notable technical manuals including Inside Macintosh, The C Programming Language and Programming Perl). Because of this, I've had to discard and ignore your comments for the purposes of consensus. The best thing to do is either explain search for sources you have attempted, or explain why sources in the article are unsuitable, or otherwise give a reason why improving the article cannot happen or it is otherwise unsuitable for a general purpose encyclopedia. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} point noted, I will add more explanation in future. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 22:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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TRON

Why are you saying that my information is not verified? Didn't I throw links for you? I'm talking about Samsung and HuaweiJtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) 18:48, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Jtpoekm8ojillle6hblljjvlup (talk) see your own talk page. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Ulverston

Hi Devokewater, good work on Ulverston. I'm just wondering about the 'civil parish' stuff. The excellent book reference (I've not seen that before) suggests the town and the parish are separate entities, and I guess that would make sense. Perhaps this point, if you agree with it, could be worked into the article? At the moment, the reader would take the parish to be the same as the town. What do you think? Cheers, Arcturus (talk) 20:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Arcturus (talk) yes thats a good idea or another option is to add a Governance section that mentions the town council etc. --Devokewater (talk) 20:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, a Governance section would be good, as per many other geographic articles. It could include the Town Council, the parish, SLDC and whatever else. Will you do this as part of your current work on the article, or I can help out if you want. Arcturus (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Arcturus (talk) please feel fee + go ahead --Devokewater (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I put some stuff on the article talk page. Arcturus (talk) 20:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Ross Kolby article.

User:Devokewater Hi! Thank you for your message to me here the other day :)

I wonder if you might help me with a question. I recently decided to do some work on the Ross Kolby article. This is an artist I like and I have read one of his books. So I inserted some information about one of the novels, added two new headings about his paintings, inserted a reference (to an article about this painting at the Norwegian National Broadcaster NRK). I really got inspired and spent almost three hours working.

A few minutes after I had published the last of my 27 various edits I got a message from a user called Materialscientist notifying me that he had reversed my edits. Just like that he undid all my work and 27 edits. He told me I had inserted a reference that was not reliable, and told me I could write to him if I had questions. I have now written to him twice and asked what reference he is talking about, and if he really could not accept any of all my edits. I said I appreciated his watching the article, but that I found it a bit discouraging to see all my work removed minutes after I had finished. I really tried to improve the article.

So my question is: who is to decide what edits that will stay or not? Who has the final word of how many headings or what photos to insert in an article? I thought Wikipedia was about sharing knowledge within the rules of Wikipedia. A reference must be right, of course. But I cannot spend three hours on an article just to see all my work removed by another user without explanation. Materialscientist has not answered my two messages, so I now wonder if he will immediately remove any new edit I suggest on Ross Kolby? Or another article he monitors?

Could you advice me on how to handle this? I only wish to be professional and polite, but I am left a little irritated by this undoing of my edits that were bringing clarity to the text as well as citing a National Broadcaster. Best regards, EditNor (talk) 22:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi EditNor (talk) Thanks for your message, I find that the information in the welcoming message is of great use to all new editors.

With regards to my editing, I do mainly minor edits on companies + places (i.e. tidying up) there are many editors on Wikipedia who are vastly more experienced + capable then I am, the best place to find these editors is in the Wikipedia:Teahouse. Materialscientist (talk) is an administrator (they have a lot of power on Wikipedia, but they must be fair) who spends a lot of time reverting vandalism, if you disagree with his/her, highlight why you disagree with him/her on his/her talk page or on the articles talk page. However you must remember that all Wikipedia articles must be reliable, verifiable, independent. Regards --Devokewater (talk) 10:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Hey mate, what a lovely surprise! Thanks for such a nice message. I've been editing anonymously for yeaaaaaaars, but figured it was finally time to sign up and do it properly. Thanks again. DorkyP (talk) 22:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, I find that this message is very useful for all new editors. --Devokewater (talk) 22:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

thank you for welcoming me =) Greenpainter147 (talk) 09:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)